<d​aknig:matrix.org> yes

<d​aknig:matrix.org> implementation of crypto coins. I wanted to ask stuff about ethereum virtual machine and stuff.

<d​aknig:matrix.org> it seems that everybody stopped using paper wallets these days. it looks to me like the best thing to do tho

<d​aknig:matrix.org> if I want to get into crypto tradig (as a high risk gambler, like on the stock market daily trading) I hate the idea of using a proprietary browser based program to manage my keys. this crap tracks you... OTOH having a fancy hardware thingie does not seem to me more secure than a pair of qr codes I hold hidden in my personal wallet

<d​aknig:matrix.org> how can I have a wallet on different chains and manage them offline? or use that for transactions or whatever with Foss?

<d​aknig:matrix.org> I am a complete noob

“how can I have a wallet on different chains and manage them offline?” <- you have a wallet for each chain. look up cold signing for the particular chain you’re interested in

this is how you do it with monero. you can now use the GUI instead of the CLI

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> "The highest level of political authority realized that the banks are the best place to rob. For an inside job, that meant taking control of the central bank and the ownership of a clutch of private banks and their boards of directors. The banks then issued billions of dollars in loans to companies, some of them fictional, that would never be paid back. Much of that money was then<clipped message>

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> transferred out of the country illegally."

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> This is what happens when we use government issued currency. This is how inequality is created and sustained. They will not be able to do this if we start using ASIC resistant decentralized currencies.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> deccanherald.com//world/explained-h…hs-economy-was-siphoned-dry-3302899

A digital currency would be inferior in the real world tho. Imagine needing to carry your phone everywhere just to make and receive payments.

cash is king

Imagine needing to carry your cash everywhere just to make and receive payments.

cash has an advantage of being an offline payment method

And private.

I've often wondered whether there's some automated recording of note serials when withdrawing/depositing. Kind of like the EABE thing.

It has the exact same kind of attack vector as monero: Bob withdraws serials ABCDE, Eve deposits serials ADFGH.

The more in common, the more likely the notes went just one step from Bob to Alice.

s/Eve/Alice/ above.

I also heard people had meetups for swapping store loyaty cards just to fuck with the spying. Similar to CC mixers.

Doing this for notes runs the risk of getting counterfeit notes in the swap. Kinda like getting outputs from criminals.

Funny how there is so much mirroring.

They probably do that serial recording. They have the means, opportunity and incentive. Like they had for widespread net spying before snowden splashed it all out.

Use just the coins then :D They don't have serial numbers :D

consolidation fee for coins is high when sending by mail

especially if max coin input per envelope is limited

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also if shipping coins, the fees go up due to "tx_weight"

<k​nownsec:catgirl.cloud> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…783ef2f43dc04c151865754490049658880

<k​nownsec:catgirl.cloud> remote node error

<k​nownsec:catgirl.cloud> it went through after nvm

moneromooo, I haven't had meetups. But I do always ask other people in line for their cards) And if there are none, I have found multiple valid barcodes of such cards with a simple web search (particularly, the reviews of the bonus program were useful for such photos).

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Monero can also be used as cash. It's just public and private key printed on it like scratch cards. Only the recipient will need a wallet to enter the key and receive funds.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Monero can also be used as cash. It's just public and private key printed on paper like scratch cards. Only the recipient will need a wallet to enter the key and receive funds.

The fundamental problem with such "scratch card" schemes is that the scratch card producer knows all the secret keys and can scam you 1 minute after you paid your scratch card

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We can just create a tool where the recipient enters the key and it transfers the funds to his wallet.

<r​ust-lialh4:matrix.org> Dude artificially reintroduced the double spending problem 14 years after the invention of bitcoin 💀

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof if someone wants to suggest an idea for Monero project, where it can be shared? (needs to be seen by everyone so all can give your comment)

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof if someone wants to suggest an idea for Monero project, where it can be shared? (needs to be seen by everyone so all can give their comment)

<r​ust-lialh4:matrix.org> Try doing a stress test by raising a git issue too see if bureaucracy is in any favour of that..............If it's a no chances are you'd end up cursing the entire community of being ignorant if you still put much hope into getting stuff from RTC

<r​ust-lialh4:matrix.org> > <@basses:matrix.org> plowsof if someone wants to suggest an idea for Monero project, where it can be shared? (needs to be seen by everyone so all can give their comment)

<r​ust-lialh4:matrix.org> Try doing a stress test by raising a git issue too see if bureaucracy is in any favour of that..............If it's a no chances are you'd end up cursing the entire community of being ignorant if you still put much hope into getting stuff from RTC (take it with a pinch of salt since me too not a major maintainer 😅)

<b​asses:matrix.org> hmm, would like to know which repo to open an issue exactly in, rooms doesn't work in this case as it can be easily overlooked or lost between in messages.

<r​ust-lialh4:matrix.org> GitHub good for that, try publishing papers if you just want someone to implement a thing placed on platter or connections with important contributors are good for an easy way to boost visibility

For wide reach in the general / non-dev community, e.g. to see interest of potential users, nothing beats the Monero subreddit

Anyway, a very good idea will spread like a wildfire, even if you only mention it once, e.g. right now, right here :)

<p​reland:monero.social> Very good idea: 1MB blockchain size (only 70% joking)

<d​aknig:matrix.org> what are the suggested open source wallets

<d​aknig:matrix.org> for phone and such

<d​aknig:matrix.org> stuff that allows usdt is better

<d​aknig:matrix.org> not on fdroid

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> f-droid.monerujo.io

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> YOU SHOULDN'T USE LE F-DROID ITS LE BAD!!!!!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> DANIEL MICAY SAID YOU'LL USE LE ACCRESSENT AND BE HAPPY.

and le closed source because secure

Why a Monero wallet should support USDT?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> accressent is not proprietary

<d​aknig:matrix.org> does it only allow monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

<d​aknig:matrix.org> is there no open source stuff that gives multiple chains

<p​reland:monero.social> Because when Tether magically prints billions in a few hours it will also be able to destabilize the price of Monero more easily too

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Cake wallet is the multi-currency one for phone that also support the Monero afaik.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But I did hear they removed it from FDroid and it's now on some other store?!?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Stack Wallet

Also stackwallet.com

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or Cake Wallet, but I'm biased I prefer Stack Wallet

syntheticbird, I meant I read somewhere that closed-source is not banned from Accrescent.

But hey, also not on fdroid.org, so no open source, oh no :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> interesting i didn't know

At least they give their own f-droid repo link on the homepage.

You could almost get envious of the way f-droid.org was able to hammer "not open source if not here!" into peoples' head. That's marketing, people.

That's not what I said though. I just remembered that Accrescent allowed closed-source.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah, but it is very inaccessible, users can't create account on reddit privately using proxies, their account will get shadowbanned (ex: tob feather dev)

<b​asses:matrix.org> you vill use ACCRESSENT

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> PSYOP

<b​asses:matrix.org> I mean F-Droid got much better after criticized it not allowing devs to sign apps with their own keys, but now you can with reproducible builds

<r​ust-lialh4:matrix.org> Compile with a pen and paper

<r​ust-lialh4:matrix.org> Some glowing doors in all repos 😏

<b​asses:matrix.org> they just should switch to material you for their main clients or recommend using Droidify

<3​21bob321:monero.social> GOS groupie^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero.town ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> need to verify through mb

<b​asses:matrix.org> also cloudflare

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Only choices

With integrated addresses, where does the encryption occur, given that the payment id is unencrypted within the address itself?

I'm happy to be pointed at any relevant documentation

I'm currently looking

Is it just that all addresses get encrypted during a transaction, when written into the blockchain?

nah, that doesn't make sense

<d​aknig:matrix.org> why is it not on fdroid?

<d​aknig:matrix.org> btw I dont claim "not on fdroid=not open source", but if it is free software, popular and not on fdroid there is probably a reason that I'd want to hear. I know that stackwallet has their own fdroid repo so dont need to tell me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stack wallet > because they never tried

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cbf

<r​oot:kimapr.net> may be it's not so populra

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Well monerotalk push cake wallet cause they get sponsors money and getmonero has wallets list that people dont look for.

<d​aknig:matrix.org> what are you people using for trading

<d​aknig:matrix.org> erm, I mean, gambling on crypto

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Kraken, the only reputable CEX as far as I'm concerned.

<a​dmindom:unfilteredrealm.com> Missed out on the talk tuah pull 😔

<i​ntr:envs.net> and Tradeogre

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> It was gentle tug

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap

<i​ntr:envs.net> on that note, Trocador

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wish Monero Markets worked

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 220 today