<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 3-impetus-solo-letterhead-reward

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> My wallet file -> 🪄🪱🕳️ 3-impetus-solo-letterhead-reward

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ooo flow charts

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (edited) ✨ My wallet file ✨ -> 🪄🪱🕳️ 9-aftermath-erase-detergent-guidance

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> why LTC ? Lowest fees ? Default LTC gui wallet doesn't have the feature like in monero cli wallet where you can send every coins

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cake does

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Low fees, fast, available pretty much everywhere.

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Wait, my picture is unreadable, is it because of Element?

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ew.digital/upTEQdPAaSVVQngBCOpXafeJ

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Don't know why it compressed it so much

<k​ey_brolin:matrix.org> Hey, could you tell me several good places where I can buy XMR without KYC or a registration?

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> I can only think about Reto Swap (formerly Haveno Reto), but you need a bit of monero for the escrow to begin with.

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> If you're okay with using your credit card and thus the KYC you already did through your bank when you registered an account you can simply buy some Monero with your card on the Cake wallet app or on Monero.com

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> But when you think about it there isn't much of a reason to fear the KYC when you simply intend to buy, there's nothing illegal about buying crypto and everything you do with Monero after getting it can't be tracked anyway.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We are noticing a trend where KYC docs are being obtained and used by money laundering agents to create bank accounts, crypto accounts etc. There are even instances where loans have been availed using stolen KYC docs. So it is better to never do any KYC. You are not safe even with banks. Bank employees are being paid to steal KYC docs.

mark, my reason to avoid KYC is avoiding another place my passport can leak from.

Also in case of a crackdown, there would be a convenient record of the actions to know whom to come to.

But mainly still the leaks, because the overall countrywide situation with them is really bad.

<p​ullerchen:matrix.org> The critical and serious step within your flow diagram is certainly **step #2**, which is crucial

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> outdated with the next haveno version

<p​ullerchen:matrix.org> any ETA?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its already merged so cant be that long

<p​ullerchen:matrix.org> I am still running "Haveno-Reto": what should I do in order to get that next version, you mentioned?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> download it form retoswap.com once its released

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i might write a reddit post about 0% offers when they release

<p​ullerchen:matrix.org> this could be very helpful

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> It's an image that has been made for a streamer that uses XMRchat for superchats and wanted the easiest way for people to get Monero.

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Telling them to download this computer software, synch it, and then buy P2P without knowing when you'll get your Monero doesn't meet the goal.

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> It's too much friction. You'll have more fees with a credit card on Changenow (the service that Cake uses) than with a CEX or maybe Haveno, but it's a lot simpler.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you dont have to sync anything

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno is just a regular monero wallet with bigger scope

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but yes, if this is for a streamer audience than the image is fine

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> for "regular" monero users we shouldnt tell them to buy with credit card though

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but yes, if this is for a streamer audience, then the image is fine

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ew.digital/gBtwuZkYSxziDwpnWTQtEpRX

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Not my experience

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you have to sync cakewallet the exact same

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno literally uses cakewallet nodes by default

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and since its a regular wallet, when you start it for the first time, you wont have to do much syncing at all (because its a fresh wallet)

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> I agree. Regular users should use a CEX or Haveno.

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> For one time users or the first time I think a credit card buy is pretty good.

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> It's what drug buyers on reddit seem to do, until they get mad at the fees and decide to register on Kraken.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> The trades in Haveno/Reto are usually pretty quick depending which payment you use but my experinces are they have been pretty quick I completed a trade in full with xmr showing in my wallet in less than 1 hour Mark

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> > <@mark:chat.nicecrew.digital> I agree. Regular users should use a CEX or Haveno.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> > For one time users or the first time I think a credit card buy is pretty good.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> > It's what drug buyers on reddit seem to do, until they get mad at the fees and decide to register on Kraken.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> The trades in Haveno/Reto are usually pretty quick depending which payment method you use. I completed a trade in full with xmr showing in my wallet in less than 1 hour Mark

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah but if you never used crypto before, it could take a lot longer

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> > <@mark:chat.nicecrew.digital> I agree. Regular users should use a CEX or Haveno.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> > For one time users or the first time I think a credit card buy is pretty good.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> > It's what drug buyers on reddit seem to do, until they get mad at the fees and decide to register on Kraken.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> The trades in Haveno/Reto are usually pretty quick depending which payment method you use. I completed a trade in full with xmr showing in my wallet in less than 1 hour

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Oh was he referring newbies fair enough

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> imagine how quick 0% deposit offers could be

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is not even the 20 minute delay for taking the offer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you could complete a trade literally within seconds if the other person is online

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Wanted to get Monero🤍 and the price jump up 🫢

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> It may jump even higher

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> It better stay stable as currency instead of speculative tool

Yes. Stable at $1000000 please.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for real

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> A stable 100x would be nice.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Mooooooon

mark, bur a CEX gets and stores your passport ready to leak for all the digital robbers in thw world...

<1​7e:matrix.org> Hello. Can someone tell me what the difference is between a monero wallet and an account? I wanted to create a new wallet but obviously I added a new account.

Or in a streamer's case - haters wishing to harm and dox.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Where is this ?

<1​7e:matrix.org> In the GUI-Wallet-App

A wallet is the "overall" thing. An account is a set of addresses held in a wallet.

When you create a wallet, you get a default account, "0".

<1​7e:matrix.org> How can I create a new wallet then?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I agree.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I am interested to get monero but a private way, not doing any criminal staff. Just don't want if government become totalitarian, didn't want them to even known that I bought monero in the past.

You can create more of them in your wallet if you want. Accounts are used to keep outputs segregated.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Just started to looking for places, and I've see exodus wallet being recommended change from bitocin to monero - is this good idea? Exchange costs and privacy?

IIRC, monero-wallet-cli --generate-new-wallet

With the GUI, it should tell you on the screen I expect.

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Recommends trocador.app

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> Also use the official wallet to store your xmr

<n​ot_a_money_printer:matrix.org> getmonero.org

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Thank you.🙏

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Why official wallet? How about __Cake wallet__? 

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Asking because Cake wallet is available in __Accrscent__ app store - (more secure to downland and install).

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I don't think that's Official. Cake download page only shows Google/Apple stores plus f-droid cakewallet.com

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> anyway you can check the file hash and signature for any wallet. In fact, the desktop wallets, both the official wallet and feather, have well tested reproducible builds which I don't think I can say for Cake

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> and fwiw I have seen more people having issues with Cake lately than in the past. I've honestly switched over to Stack wallet for mobile for the most part.

<b​eneficialsource:matrix.org> How do the fees compare on Cake v Atomic?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> feather imo has the best privacy configuration out of the box if you have a desktop available

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> the network fees are the same. If you are referring to swap fees, don't use in-wallet swap providers imo, just go to trocador or fixedfloat or whatever directly.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> also stop using atomic wallet because it's not open source: support.atomicwallet.io/article/184…hy-is-atomic-wallet-not-open-source

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Atomic wallet? Or atomic swaps?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yeah atomic wallet is really unfortunately named heh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Intentionally misleadingly named*

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> GrapheneOS plus another Android device.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> After set up wallet, is it better to do backup and set it up on another device?

"Apps do not need to be open-source to be submitted to Accrescent." - their FAQ page, and this concerns me.

<b​eneficialsource:matrix.org> Swaps. Who has the smallest fees? They're probably negligible though huh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the fee depends on the atomic awap platform

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 basic swap best

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswapdex and unstoppableswaps have 0 fees

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> called it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh nvm you also quoted unstoppableswap

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I must retire now

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ```

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> testimonials:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "... basic swap best ..." - Psychoticbird

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ```

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> Hello moneroanons, I come to you with a critical question

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> is anyone online?

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> I am in a dilemma here.

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> Lets say you have an unknown amount of xmr and now that you learnt Haveno is working, you want to buy another unknown number of xmr

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> now the problem, your personal finance plan allows you to spend unknown quantity of francs for gratuitous reasons, would you spend it to buy xmrs or buy one irl monerochan for 24 hours of private things?

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> hypothetically speaking ofc. Know that irl monerochans are legal and regulated in my cuntry.

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> xmr is legal but I think unregulated tho.

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> much obliged.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Both

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Buy xmr first, use xmr to buy monerochan doll -> profit

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> weelll... by irl monerochan who does private things.. I meant something else..

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> you know, something PG18

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I think we all knew what you meant brother

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> cuss words?

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> that adult drink thing?

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> where to get monerochan doll

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doesn't change my answer

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> staying up after midnight?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monerobull @monerobull:monero.social had plushies

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> let's goo hello monerobull

<m​onerobull:monero.social> hello

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: irl monerochans in my cuntry do not accept xmr, ive asked. :(

<m​onerobull:monero.social> youre too late, had about 1 year

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ask harder

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Use it to tip extra then

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Show them buy.cakepay.com

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> I have..many times.. all I got was 'sowwy, you need to directly talk to the agency about it'

<system> file 1709838573899536.jpg too big to download (2290260 > allowed size: 1000000)

<m​onerobull:monero.social> 1709838573899536.jpg

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they have a phone, give em a tio!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tip*

<b​asses:matrix.org> monerochan wiff hat on?

<b​asses:matrix.org> she do be cooking tho

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> Asking an irl monerochan to show me her phone in my part of the world...Straight to jail

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> agency?? where the independent escorts bro

<m​onerobull:monero.social> i love that this discussion is on-topic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Too many excuses

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> My thing has to wear a rubber hat on.. by law.. while doing private things with monerochan.. so yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Pure adoption talk :D

<b​asses:matrix.org> idfk what u are trying to say

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rando we know you dont

<s​hadowco:matrix.org> monerobull: monerotwizler

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If youre asking "should i spend FIAT on a "monerochan" that doesnt accept xmr" then youre asking the wrong questions my man

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> You know, I love monerochans.. they are good at doing private things.. more than otherchans who are expensite and tainted.. I am trying to buy one but having some issues.. the one I expounded on a while ago...

<m​onerobull:monero.social> dont write stuff that sounds like human trafficking. we will have to ban you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And has nothing 2 do w monero. super offtopic. Either tip them some monero go go ask your question sumwhere else

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> I am asking.. should I spend my fiatbux to buy moneros or monerochans.. I want to buy MOAR moneros.. but I also like getting pentested while my pen is lying on the table with the computer turned off.

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> HuH, what?! NO!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/pentestes/pegged stablecoin

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> That si not what I meant

<m​onerobull:monero.social> yeah but it sounds like it when you say "ive been trying to buy one"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre asking how to spend your fiat

I think the answer is obvious: disregard females, acquire currency

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nonsensical question.

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> MB, that is not at all what I meant.. see my earlier messsages.

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> Okay, I am convinced

<m​onerobull:monero.social> you can literally buy millions of monerochans btw

<m​onerobull:monero.social> geckoterminal.com/eth/pools/0xa89f5…927lbuchpceFAVtweGGwn7b.005Vq.p1WaA

<m​onerobull:monero.social> $MONEROCHAN

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> buy monero, then do what u want with it

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> thanks m-relay, I will cancel my 24 date with a tall monerochan and will just buy moneros instead.

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> @minth

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> Goodbye! happy solstice, happy channuka, merry christmas and Guten Rutsch!

<m​onerotwizler:matrix.org> *Good sliding!

I asked Cat and they say buy the montero

*hacking

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> My wallet file -> 🪄🪱🕳️ 6-hazardous-fracture-megaton-befriend

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why are you guys not downloading my wallet file

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh, the worm isn't to say its a malware you need to use magic wormhole

<b​asses:matrix.org> localsend good if on local network

<b​asses:matrix.org> localsend.org

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > on local network

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Give me your address, and a I'll be on my way to plug in ethernet

<b​asses:matrix.org> xkcd.com/949

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Real talk, though, Google's Quick Share works very well. There's a Rust implementation for Linux and macOS called rquickshare that works very well.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> LocalSend is neat, but Quick Share is already present on almost all Android devices, so

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thx you so much you don't imagine how much i needed rquickshare

>Google's Quick Share works very well

yes! google is your friend!!

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Sarcasm, yes? If so: just because Google (or any for-profit company that typically develops proprietary products) develops/owns a thing, doesn't mean that thing is automatically bad. Quick Share is basically just DNS-SD plus some optional assistance from Bluetooth.

google is your friend, and MI6 too!

or even closer to google, GCHQ

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> For some delusional people it's hard to believe that some big companies are mostly filled of people with very good intents

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> And a minority that dictates the good willing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I have complete trust in Google developers a human beings, their administrative, workflow, financial processes however, not so much.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Shareholders? Bosses? they are the rotten ones

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> yes true, most of the people are good

lawl

can't make this shit up

so what role does 'syntheticbird' play in the 'monero community'?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as2333 I've a role now?

that's what I am asking. Can't you read?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's rethoric. Can't you think?

I didn't ask you so your rhetorical question or whatever you think you vomited is irrelevant.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh be aware buddy you dropped your brain on the floor

"I have complete trust in Google developers aa human beings" that really made my day

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as2333 glad I made your paranoia grow. now take your meds sir

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Compliance

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tsmt

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Did someone say my name?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh, you were talking to psychoticbird

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Slim shady ?

hi there

<l​oeasy6:matrix.org> Hi

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only juliu can say hi

<l​oeasy6:matrix.org> Ok

<l​oeasy6:matrix.org> Won't say hi anymore

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> nohello.net thanks you

<l​oeasy6:matrix.org> You're welcome

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero Offtopic if you want to say hi to juliu

<l​oeasy6:matrix.org> Ok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> seriously, come to offtopic and say hi to juliu

I'm pretty new on monero and actually crypto coins stuff, I've investgated about monero, wallets, haveno, but I have the question, if somebody pay me with monero, I have the moneros on my wallet the I use haveno to change for any national coin, how can I trtansfer this money to my bak account?

I'd like to know if it's common change monero to national coin and then trasnfering to a bank account or you prefer use monero stores to use your moneros

<l​oeasy6:matrix.org> You should probally convert it to btc before doing anything

<l​oeasy6:matrix.org> Flags will be raise if they know you are using monero

ok it makes sense

<l​za_menace:monero.social> what's the deal with moneroworld now? gingeropolous get hacked or somethin?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its a proxy

<l​za_menace:monero.social> is gingeropolous offline? fed?

<s​onex_046:matrix.org> How do I mine Monero

<l​za_menace:monero.social> bruh, look it up

<s​onex_046:matrix.org> At where, please tag it

<l​za_menace:monero.social> searching "how to mine monero" in a search engine is a good first start. getmonero.org/get-started/mining xmrig.com gupax.io

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :) thats my queue to finish docs.getmonero.org guides

<l​za_menace:monero.social> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx tiny incoming txes to my wallet are probably tainted outputs, huh?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> At consolidation, yeah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But you can use coincontrol to consolidate and then churn them :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then donate them to a ccs or smthn 💪

<l​za_menace:monero.social> will sweeping to another wallet kill them?

<l​za_menace:monero.social> i run a local node. is it advised then to enforce tor traffic on that node? or is default monerod sufficient?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you dont want to "taint" your other outputs, then be sure to use coincontrol to make sure you only consolidate the tainted outputs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its better to use tx-proxy (without anonymous-inbound) than dandelion. Dandelion is attacked by spy nodes atm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anonymous-inbound has a bug atm that snitches your onion address to your tx-proxy peers. Until fixed, the txproxy peers will definitively know which onion node sent the tx

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So.. for best tx privacy, dont use anonymous-inbound

<l​za_menace:monero.social> damn dude

<l​za_menace:monero.social> we got pwned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The only way to really "kill" them is to swap out for new xmr. You can send to a new wallet, using your own tx-proxy node, or someone elses over onion/i2p, and then churn a few times. But the resulting output will always have a path back to the consolidation, which is why "new" xmr is the only "surefire" way to create an unrelated path

<l​za_menace:monero.social> xcancel.com/lza_menace/status/1869514042559394033#m

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> So no better than btc?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Far better than btc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> but yes, xmr still has a history that can be connected from point E - A - E

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> So any anon with a public donation address is at higher risk for this