<S​neurlax:matrix.org> it's safest to assume small unexpected amounts are indeed tainted, but I frequently send very small amounts to any public address I can find so it may not be malicious if you have a publicly-available address

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> How to install Monero wallet? On Android? Many files...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> getmonero.org/downloads

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are a few mobile wallets listed there - cake wallet, stack wallet, monerujo

<l​za_menace:monero.social> can anyone explain to me what "fluff" means?

<l​za_menace:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/vklbXWEhwPrlyxPttqYfFfIf

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah. Dandelion stem + fluff

<l​za_menace:monero.social> ohhh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stem sends the tx to 1 peer, and that 1 peer fwds it to another who may or may not fluff(flood) it to all peers

<l​za_menace:monero.social> i recall an old cli flag called "fluffy blocks" but it's deprecated. wonder if it was for something else

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah, we use fluff* for 100 different things

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We also use block and ban interchangeably - some pretty confusing terminology sometines

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> --ban-list --enable-dns-blocklist

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah its unrelated

<l​za_menace:monero.social> follow-up question - if i am running tor (not exit node, a bridge i guess it's called) and have port 9050 exposed, connected to tor network is this command sufficient to route all txes over tor?

<l​za_menace:monero.social> > monerod --tx-proxy tor,127.0.0.1:9050

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I use disable_noise which floods(fluffs) the tx to all of you onion peers at once, then those peers all fwd immediately to clearnet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Imo makes it harder to create a trail or time the transaction, as multiple onion peers will all fluff to clear at roughly the same time.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like 10 slim shadys standing up at once

<l​za_menace:monero.social> oh nice, i will include that

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> The official one was recommended to me

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS:mon…a=monero.social&via=hackliberty.org

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> I see it is available for Android, I did downloaded, unpacked and now don't know what next.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lyza recommended _desktop_ wallets, not android

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> OK, still don't understand if the app for android is available? Looks like it is, if yes how does it work?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What app?

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Fluorine Fermi

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Android ARMv8

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What app??

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> From previous conversation with Lyza:

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> >_(... In fact, the desktop wallets, both the official wallet and feather, have well tested reproducible builds which I don't think I can say for Cake...)

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Excuse me, maybe you tell me? Because now I don't know.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> (I don't have PC right now).

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> From previous conversation with Lyza:

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> >_(... In fact, the desktop wallets, both the official wallet and feather, have well tested reproducible builds which I don't think I can say for Cake...)_

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> Excuse me, maybe you tell me? Because now I don't know.

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> (I don't have PC right now).

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<m​etrics:unredacted.org> OK, thank you 😊 thank you for your time. 🙏

<k​ey_brolin:matrix.org> Oh, I was swapping Monero through Exolix in the Cake wallet, it's very useful. Thank you for advising about KYC

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Maybe just start the monerod in Whonix?

hello, i am attempting to mine for the first time but nothing is happening

i have setup a local node, the daemon is synchronized

i am using the monero GUI

under advanced, i clicked "start mining"

my CPU does not seem to be working any harder

when i try to start mining on GUPAX, under P2Pool, i click the play button on the bottom

and i get the following error

P2Pool can't continue execution: panic at /usr/src/debug/p2pool/p2pool/src/p2pool_api.cpp:96

2024-12-19 09:16:22.5971 P2Pool API mkdir(/usr/bin/network/) failed, error 13

i'm attempting to run p2pool on the commandline

it is going through the blocks

P2PServer failed to save peer list p2pool_peers.txt, error 13

error 13 = permission denied. You're running p2pool in a directory you don't have write access to

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> lza_menace: , still here, not fed. i stopped supporting node.moneroworld because i think its time to stop the whole public remote node thing.

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Just run your own node

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> indeed. should be easy enough

That would require quite a bit of space, though. Dozens of gigabytes.

Also, can you not expose it aside from over Tor? Because I am afraid it might be risky...

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> 260 GB right now, an 1 TB SSD is enough for some years

Those are dozens of dollars though... More than the amount of Monero I own at a time.

Would an HDD suffice? They're cheaper.

I wonder how long THAT takes over Tor :/

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> You dont need to download over tor, you can download over Mullvad VPN and later when you synced your node to 100% you can run it over Tor

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> SSD is faster.. on HDD it works too but its slow

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> If you have enough space on your Computer/Laptop you can download and run the node on it

Mullvad is another subscription tho, why not my normal VPS? But yeah, probably an SSH tunnel would be enpugh to hide the usage from ISP.

260 GB on the internal drive? That's just wasteful. That would leave me with too little for daily use...

is swapping ever risking being traced and somehow compromising your btc purchase platform?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yourstruly: depends on the exchange but generally they do not communicate with CEX, Also swapping from and to XMR is generally safer than transparent coins because amount is hidden (unless you have a quantum computer then yeah it would be trivially traced)

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Most VPS providers store logs and can track your IP address, while a VPN like Mullvad also knows your IP but does not log it.

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> I wouldn't recommend hosting your node on a remote VPS provided by a third party, as they could potentially manipulate your node, which would centralize control. It's better to host it at home on your own devices to maintain full control and privacy.

mullvad has to log your ip per swedish isp tracking laws

there's no way around it

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> No they have no laws to track ips lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah fr, mullvad don't have to nor have the ability to do it with their diskless infrastructure

don't vpn's fall under isp's in swedemn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yourstruly: mullvad.net/en/vpn/laws-that-matter

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> second paragraph

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Mullvad VPN is based in Sweden, and here the relevant law is called the Electronic Communications Act (Lagen om elektronisk kommunication, LEK). It’s LEK that regulates how internet service providers must log traffic, and it’s very clear: this law doesn’t apply to VPN services. So the basic conditions for running a privacy-focused VPN service are good, Swedish law doesn’<clipped message>

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> t require VPN services to log either their customers or their traffic.

I wouldn't count on a VPN not logging tbh. But wouldn't that be unimportant because it's in a government that's not cooperating with mine? I doubt they passively exchange information.

As for hosting a node - it is not doable anyway, storage is nowhere near enough. And wouldn't the node be fine not being online all the time?

I am only concerned about, say, Monero being cracked down on retroactively and convenient evidence found in logs.1

<b​asses:matrix.org> y​ourstruly

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/rfObHNQmLvmojtAxcOJXBZhP

what is that

<b​asses:matrix.org> you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this fr

basses, im not clicking some random link :)

That's a regular Matrix media link

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> I use Multihop, sweden and then swiss.

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Swiss because its not part of the EU and is not bound by its laws

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro publicly assumed the secret strategy of every mullvad users lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There is only two countries everyone use

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Sweden and Switzerland

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> literally no point using the other unless you have connectivity issues with it

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Xd

Anyway, from context it seems like the provider is unlikely to passively share logs like the local companies probably have to do.

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Why assumed?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I meant endorsed my bad

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm sure if there was an Iceland server 99% of the traffic would be Iceland -> Switzerland

<b​asses:matrix.org> moneroland when?

<b​asses:matrix.org> ISPs are private (ofc pay with XMR) and actually remove logs after specified time frame

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rando, no one understood if it was a joke related to moneroland or an actual opinion

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rando, no one understood if it was a joke related to moneroland or an actual information

<b​asses:matrix.org> joke, unless?

<m​mxxx:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/OgqNlzgUrkPgRcWNWPFXSCjV

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Most people though don’t have a libertarian or anarchist mindset. They believe in authority having the right of to dictate what other people do, especially if they hold that authoritative power themselves.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/ccONykmVXysZNSWgLeaUyGzW

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> This quote again gets the message across

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Most people though don’t have a libertarian or anarchist mindset. They believe in authority having the right to dictate what other people do, especially if they hold that authoritative power themselves.

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> the matrix has to be one of the based movies of all time

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Definitely a masterpiece

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> But it’s message alluding to anarchism is almost too optimistic and glosses over the bleaker reality that it’s not enough to “unplug” people. Some people just don’t have the ability to survive on their own or learn how to, and odds are the only people willing to care for them are people who intend to rule over them. Anytime they make a collectivist system to take care of<clipped message>

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> each other they’re too naive to see when authoritarians are taking control that system until it’s too late.

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> The matrix is the enemy.

<l​ucidlynx:envs.net> youtu.be/qkAh0CCrV9I

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> 🤣

<m​x_mandelbrot42:matrix.org> Seth For Privacy: Hey Seth, happen to know if Zach from Foundation is or would consider accepting Monero as a payment method? Or if Cake Pay will offer Foundation Gift cards, like Coincards? I'm pumped for Passport Prime. Great opt-out episode with Zach btw!

<m​x_mandelbrot42:matrix.org> @sethforprivacy:monero.social: Hey Seth, happen to know if Zach from Foundation is or would consider accepting Monero as a payment method? Or if Cake Pay will offer Foundation Gift cards, like Coincards? I'm pumped for Passport Prime. Great opt-out episode with Zach btw! 🚀

<l​za_menace:monero.social> haha cool. hope you're doing aight

<l​za_menace:monero.social> did the domain expire and someone else bought it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lza_menace he had his node pointed to a fed node for like 6yrs, (as well as your node and plowsof's) and when asked to share the ip, he delete it and yours

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, he pointed node.moneroworld to some sus-af node for 6 yrs, repeatedly, when the operator was inactive and now claims they havent had those ips since 2018

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> either a) ginger is fed b) the ip was fed c) both

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> By repeatedly, i mean, he manually added the dns record for numerpis subdomains of his like uwillrunanodesoon.moneroworld, even tho the operator was unknown guy and had been mia since 2018

<l​za_menace:monero.social> cray

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When he deleted the ips, he also lied and said they were offline. The fed ip was still online when he removed it, which tells me that he tried delete the evidence but didnt know that the there is a log of old dns records going back many yrs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He also ran a node himself for xmrchain, so there was really never a good reason for him to proxy out connections to the feds. He could have used his own node

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> digilol.net/blog/chainanalysis-malicious-xmr.html

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> virustotal.com/gui/domain/node.moneroworld.com/relations

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > Based on the Source column, we can assume that node.moneroworld.com had A records pointing to at least two Chainalysis nodes (#003, #140) around 2020.

hardhatter, regardless of what you believe about authority, you have to act with accordance to the fact that said authorities can annihilate you.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/fLNfrAUrHNGNtrKFipIGxAHK

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Does someone ( ofrnxmr ? ) have the website with all the pretty plots and graps of monero blockchain I'm looking specifically for transaction volume over height.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Does someone ( ofrnxmr ? ) have the website with all the pretty plots and graph of monero blockchain I'm looking specifically for transaction volume over height.

<l​za_menace:monero.social> moneroj.net ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thx you so much. thx rottenwheel

<l​za_menace:monero.social> my interpretation of the reading is that the person he pointed his reverse proxy to killed their VPS and chainalysis hijacked the IP address and flew under the radar

<l​za_menace:monero.social> guess we'll never know!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The dates dont line up

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ginger says he was pointed at xmr-tw in 2020, but it was 2018 that he started pointed to, and kept pointing to rupee

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rup claims they lost the ips is 2018. Yet ginger pointed to them, manually, for many years after

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the fact that rupee was absolutely silent for 6 yrs, but was already in the room when siren pinged him, answered ummediately, and claimed "i dont _think_ i run nodes anymore" was hilarious

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think the chance that ginger and rupee are both non-feds is near-zero. Both of them gave bs answers and tried to lie or hide instead of telling plausible stories

<s​iren:kernal.eu> If I were an admin of monero.social, I'd inspect his/her current rooms via Matrix admin API to figure out what he does with his monero.social account. We never see him reading any of the monero.social chats.

<f​ede:xmr.mx> (you can disable read notifications in most matrix clients)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> either one or both of them is a mole. Rupee wasnt some well respected community member. I dont see why chainalysis would try to hard to obtain his IPs. Makes 20x more sense to target ginger. And while ginger could just be naive / irresponsible.. his lack of openness / deleting ips and refusing to speak on them, defending the operators "privacy" (lol?) all sounds like a bag of bullshit to me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If i was in gingers position, i'd have helped by providing list of ips that i fwd to, to try to help figure out which was the bad one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But ginger KNEW which one was bad, and deleted it! Lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lza - yours was offline. He deleted yours because it was offline. He CLAIMED the chainalysis node was offline, and that was whybhe remove it, but that was a fat lie

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I mean they can try

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> you gotta be expensive to kill

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> forget hard to kill

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I can almost promise: you are not hard to kill

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Brother they don’t have enough weapons to blow up a mountain

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> oh you don't think so?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> If they did mining would be a whole lot easier

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Much offtopic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Interrupting my glowing tin foil node rant with fantasia about touching grass

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Siren

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> fede lolol, you were saying?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> If I were an admin of monero.social, I'd inspect his/her current rooms via Matrix admin API to figure out what he does with his monero.social account. We never see him reading nor writing in any of the monero.social chats.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> yeah that is a read notification right there

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> anyone bothering Siren will taste the insane doxxing skills of PsychoticBird aka Ofrnxmr

<r​upee:monero.social> I don’t know what to tell you @ofrnxmr. I stopped maintaining a bunch of nodes and forgot I had pointed a domain at them or told ginger about them.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I trust you rupee

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We all make mistakes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I trust you rupee

<r​upee:monero.social> ❤️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🤣🤣🤣

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm not ofrnxmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just in case

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im dead serious

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You're PsychoticBird

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why are you telling things to yourself?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You're ofrnxmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck I did it again

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Reinforcement

<f​ede:xmr.mx> the truth is everyone exists only inside ofrnxmr's brain

<f​ede:xmr.mx> our world is just his dream, and when he will wake up we will cease existing

hi

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the fact that rupee was absolutely silent for 6 yrs <<>> no he wasn't :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He said he stopped running the nodes 6yrs agp

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> Yoo

<b​ico653:matrix.org> How do I kill not in minecraft?? I willl uze ze AR-15 and shoot my balls off.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> wrong room

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OFFTOPIC!!!!

<j​osefbeziehung67:matrix.org> 🙃

<1​7e:matrix.org> Does anyone know why element is broken?

Nuclear fission ?

Are there DeFi project with monero? Is it possible to put XMR in liquidity pools?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Serai project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Decentralized Exchange with liquidity pool trading experience. Monero included

I just saw it

coool

is it already live?

hmm not yet, looking forward though

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> s​T0p_ EVERYONE IS LOOKING FORWARD TO IT

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE

<c​rispycat:calitabby.net> gary mod

we need more Monero contributors, unfortunately I am not smart enough

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Develop monerogpt

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or clone selsta

<e​longated:matrix.org> Or get moneromooo back

it's actually not really funny, all monero users depend on a tiny group of contributors that do awesome work. Yeah wish moneromooo would come back :)

there should be an effort to inspire younger devs to work on monero :)