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<u​nderline:digitalprivacy.diy> 🧐

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> In cake wallet when i view my seed phrase, the mnemonic phrase listed is different from the one I wrote down when I made the wallet. Is this normal?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> WORT WORT WORT: same amount of words ?

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> No.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you made a wallet with a 16 word seed, but cake show you a 25 word one ?

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Did you restore this wallet before?

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> No i made it on this device

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How did you restore it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i hope by copying private key directly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> otherwise cake wallet bug

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> using key, 16, or 25 words?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wait no he said its on the device

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so he didn't restored it

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> Ive never restored the wallet. I still have the wallet on this phone im basically just auditing my crypto rn. I wrote down I used polyseed. I think that means cake wallet is converting it to a 25 word phrase?

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> Just want to make sure i have the right key written down

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> basically the 16 word polyseed can be used to calculate your private key back. The 25 word seed is just a mapping of this key. In theory, since you cannot go from PrivateKey to Polyseed (16 words) your wallet should just store the 16 word polyseed in a safe place. Assuming he lost it, he might fallback onto mapping your private key into the lgeacy 25 word seed format

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> showing two different seeds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> But that would be a bug, Cake Wallet shouldn't suddenly loose your polyseed from storage

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or maybe something else and your polyseed is stored but internal bug make it so that cw think he doesn't

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> best way to verify is to create two wallets, restore with 16 word and the other with 25 word. Then check in settings if the private key is the same

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> Ok Ill try that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if you created using polyseed, then there are 2 seeds on cake's backup page

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Polyseed can be converted to legacy(25word) seeds, to ensure compatibility with other wallets

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> Yeah mine definitely only listed the 25 word phrase in the "Security and Backup -> Show seed/keys".

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> *lists

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sus

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> must be a backdoor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> vik sharma is a cia agent

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mine shows "wallet seed" (polyseed) and "legacy seed" (25nword)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr: works on my machine

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> whats going on here?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mine shows "wallet seed" (polyseed) and "legacy wallet seed" (25nword)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were sharing seeds

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> uh huh

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> This is not ideal. Ill update once I try recovery. Im hesitant to recover to the same instance of cake wallet

hi

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ? You dont have to delete the current wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you can restore the same wallet 10x and it will create a new copy for each restore

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Economists don't want you to know this one simple trick to duplicate money

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> Im using a different device to restore it not deleting it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can restore on the same device multiple times. It wont overwrite existing wallet, it will create a new copy

<u​nderline:digitalprivacy.diy> 🤣🧐

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> I tried restoring from the polyseed key I wrote down when i made the wallet, as well as the legacy key which is what is listed in the wallet settings. The polyseed recovers my funds but the legacy key shows a 0 balance. So, I know I can access my funds with the polyseed key but im wondering why the legacy key it lists doesnt work

Iiuc you cant go from 16->25 but you can go from 25->16. So if a wallet shows a 25 word seed for a wallet that was created from 16 words, sounds like bug in the wallet

Is this true for feather tobtoht?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> other way around

hello!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 16 -> 25 = yes. 26 -> 16 = no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 25*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> WORT WORT WORT the 25 word seed you entered doesn't show tour funds because you entered the wrong restore heigt

i wanted to ask, does monero really need smart contract stuff like other meme "currencies"?

Idk if this would impact anonymity. It exists without just fine...

i mean yeah

besdies there are some difficulties in implementing it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, doesn't need

<b​espinlonging1:matrix.org> It asked me for a date and restore height. I selected today's (yesterday, now) date and the restore height auto-populated

thanks for clarifying ofrnxmr. on the subject of other cryptos / smart contracts, you may find rekt dot com useful. im currently reading through this one rekt.news/trump-casino

dot news rather*

monero is already powerful with spend proofs, transaction proofs, multisigs, etc.

plowsof: this makes me hate ethereum more

Monero group-chat on Nostr: naddr1qvzqqqyctqpzptvcmkzg2fuxuvltqegc0r4cxkey95jl0sp9teh95azm77mtu9wgqyv8wumn8ghj7emjda6hquewxpuxx6rpwshxxmmd9uqpqsnwgccng7rvdf6ywn6wtpa9j5sna9f4a

<f​ede:xmr.mx> test

<f​ede:xmr.mx> why are messages in monero-dev instantly deleted? am i shadowbanned?

wdym

<f​ede:xmr.mx> when i send a message, it disappears instantly

<wearethelifersyetagain> you're triggering a certain filter

<wearethelifersyetagain> .

<wearethelifersyetagain> for example, you can't send messages consisting of entirely dots "."

<wearethelifersyetagain> .

<f​ede:xmr.mx> even if i send a message containing only the text "test"

<wearethelifersyetagain> they get deleted instantly

<wearethelifersyetagain> test

<wearethelifersyetagain> uh

<wearethelifersyetagain> this doesnt get deleted

<f​ede:xmr.mx> it works fine in this channel, but not in monero dev

<wearethelifersyetagain> guess its stricter there then xd

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fede: we literally see your messages

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they only disappear on your side

<f​ede:xmr.mx> i don't see them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> blame matrix protocol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> blame zcash

<f​ede:xmr.mx> ok i restarted element and now it works

turn it off and on again, amazing

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dev is broken a bit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kicks ppl, room name disappears etc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Matrix is broken a bit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> shit protocol and client, overfunded org etc

From what I understand so far, it's apparently better for the developers but worse for the users than XMPP.

The official server is heavy AF and Conduit isn't as feature-full.

While XMPP never broke for me in ways Matrix did.

what is the least shit matrix protocol ?

Are there other ones?

<u​mask777:decred.org> IRC

<u​mask777:decred.org> 😜

<u​mask777:decred.org> but if you're not nostalgic for the MSDOS days probably SimpleX but its scaling isn't great

<u​mask777:decred.org> large rooms are very slow to sync

<u​mask777:decred.org> we should return to BBSs tbh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioc there are none

He said "matrix protocol", which confused me.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SimpleX have zero useful SDK

I prefer IRC and XMPP.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer, enjoy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can't stand user interfaces from the 5th century

User interface does not depend on the protocol tho. There are modern-looking IRC clients out there, including web ones.

And Weechat looks timeless.

i can stand user interfaces from the 5th century

i like sending.. mail by foot

and paying someone gold or wheat to do so

I am being serious.

sorry i'm making fun of the hyperbole

syntheticbird said

ye I get it

s​yntheticbird so there is no difference between them ?

For example of a modern one - The Lounge.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer, i know there are relatively good looking UI for IRC (tho still too old to my taste). Also IRC isn't federated nor encrypted

we should move montero to the OFTC IRC network, the haz a working bridge \o/

*they haz

irc no emojis ;c

🐱🦒(❁´◡`❁)

As for encryption - yeah, I have only seen OTR addons. I use it mostly for group chats tho so it largely doesn't matter, and for DMs ask people to connect on Jabber.

<wearethelifersyetagain> nioc is a legend, using a cat emoji as example 😻

(｡Ó﹏Ò｡)

wearethelifersyetagain, what is hv-bridge?

A bridge from Discord, iirc.

<wearethelifersyetagain> that appears when messaging through hashvault.pro discord's monero channel, under the "irc bridge" category

woow, interesting

o.o

I wonder if Discord can ban bridges like it bans custom clients...

<wearethelifersyetagain> it's just a bot application, which are allowed

ah

I just wondered because it might blur the lines between "just a bot" and "using a custom client".

can bots be banned?

selfbots are illegal in the ToS

but rarely banned

unless you don't spam PM everyone you don't know

you spam*

you'll never get banned

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<whitewolfentllc> Any reason why my wallet would be stuck on block 3289035? I've deleted rebuilt my wallet twice thinking that may be the issue. Using monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.18.3.4

<whitewolfentllc> Plent of HD space

i'd say slow connection?

it's probably not the wallet, just the copy of the blockchain

<whitewolfentllc> 1g up & down fiber unless you mean whatever I'm connecting to. streaming works fine... Do I need to find & delete my copy of the blockchain - I thought rebuilding the wallet did that but never truly understood how this wallet thing works.

rebuilding the wallet doesn't affect the blockchain

the wallet client has to refresh and download blocks from a node, in order to stay up to date and check on the transactions related to that wallet

doesn't affect the local copy of the blockchain*

<whitewolfentllc> So delete this then? Sorry for being ignorant.

<whitewolfentllc> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/6455…fdcd99e0d0ebcb9c86da28550c8af876ea&

well, judging by the large size, i assume that is the local copy of the blockchain

though the "lock.mdb" is there

which probably means the monero client is still on

<whitewolfentllc> that's what I figured lol. Just trying to understand how to get it finish updating. I exited it but still showing the lock.

well, you can just delete both if you want

<whitewolfentllc> Done, restarted & waiting to sync.

<whitewolfentllc> Thank you!

np