<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> Monero is a scam made by criminals, for criminals. Your network is now ours!

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<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> Monero is a scam made by criminals, for criminals. Your network is now ours!

<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> primal.net/e/note1xhwa4vfhq76vc5asx…h6xdx4c4cms3ancv62run0q84p5ys9quqg5

<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> Monero is a scam made by criminals, for criminals. Your network is now ours!

<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> primal.net/e/note1xhwa4vfhq76vc5asx…h6xdx4c4cms3ancv62run0q84p5ys9quqg5

<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> Monero is a scam made by criminals, for criminals. Your network is now ours!

<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> primal.net/e/note1xhwa4vfhq76vc5asx…h6xdx4c4cms3ancv62run0q84p5ys9quqg5

<w​yrcv2:unredacted.org> Monero is a scam made by criminals, for criminals. Your network is now ours!

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plowsof

monerobull

<u​nlimitednetwork:unredacted.org> Monero is a scam made by criminals, for criminals. Your network is now ours and you will be shutdown!

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<d​etherminal:monero.social> I have a feeling that "somebody" is organizing an attack campaign against Monero these days.

Me

<e​longated:matrix.org> Just before a update is released lol

<y​atta:private.coffee> Does it start with an i and end with an s?

<p​earl:matrix.pearl.boston> italians...

<m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Is ErCiccione trying to sabotage Monero again? I thought we had finally chased him away.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Who

<j​effro256:monero.social> What did ErCiccione do again?

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh I don’t even remember

<p​reland:monero.social> Someday I’ll actually just straight up ask them what happened and see how that lines up with the rumor mill that keeps changing the story

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Good morning XMR,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We're not shutdown what a surprise

what part of monero do these clowns consider a scam?

I don't think propaganda needs a factual reason, just forceful assertion. As we're seeing a lot these days.

People will read into it vague confirmation of their disparate prejudices. So the less precise the claim, the better.

For me, monero held, and still holds, the promise of escaping from the rise of fascism and its unblinking stare. It's getting real close to being too late though. But not quite yet.

i hope your definition of fascism is not "people i don't like"

So it was infuriating to see non fascists present it as a fascist tool. Yes, it's a tool for freedom, and everyone will use it as such. But the willfil blindness is just... batf.

because we see a lot of "fascism" these days

Well, I use the term as a facile amalgam for "people who hurt others based on prejudices" so if you're a fascist, I apologize for the abuse of language.

oh no worries, i'm neither a "fascist" nor a fascist

but i hate blueberries, so i was wondering if that fits the mold for "fascism" nowadays

i've seen a lot of it tbh

It's just a lot to type every time: racists, homophobes, nazis, transphobes, antisemits, etc. It's not a complete list of course. So since fascists have a large intersection with these, I ofte nuse that term.

so basically phobes

why fascism and not phobism?

You can use that if you want. We're still free.

sure

But I have nothing against agoraphobes, for example :)

haha

i have to admit i hate cats too

cats are amazing T.T

Well, the difficult thing is, I'm kinda pro people having prejudices. Just against those prejudices having a direct effect on other people's health and life and freedom.

fascism is the collusion of government and corporations

anelli you take that back!

So the line is often a little hard to draw.

it is literally what's happening around the world

for me it's about freedom privacy from gov/companies

alifib: but meow?

anelli :( fine, you win

yay

:D

:3

i still struggling with syncing the pruned chain. the openbsd monerd port is bonkers (at least time i tried it)

I mean, if someone hates me for being a cow, fine, their brain. If they beat me up because I am one, of even throw me out of their shop for being one, fuck them hard, you know ?

btw what's the pruned blockchain size in gb again?

moneromooo: animal farming was a mistake

And monero's one way to be able to keep one's agency in an increasingly networked world. Cause on the internet, nobody knew I was a cow, but in today's internet, a lot of people do ,thanks to google, doubleclick, possibly cloudflare, etc.

ikr!

So monero is a tool for personal self escape from "phobism".

privacy is really underrated nowdays

well it's simple: use tor, use monero, disobey

that what i do

i hate websites that straight up block tor tho

Tor is another such tool. But thinking it's enough is what will get you in the end.

unfortunately too few are doing it

nothing is enough, moneromooo, but its a good start

*it's

Right, it's the red queen all over again. We have to improve while older techs is being slowly undermined, probably in ways we don't evne realize yet.

indeed, friend, but that's what makes us humans cool: adaptability

Attacks only get better. Not sure who said that first but Schneier does. Credit where due.

Granted, I am biased. I am in one of the groups that will be a target if global fascism takes hold. It's not hard nowadays. The majority of people on earth belong to at least one.

And once "fascists" are done with a small group, they tend move to the next larger one.

"What ? Me ? Wait!"

But yeah, for dozens of years the far right has grown in power, and I always thought they'll either end up getting it legally globally (very close now) or seize it by force if their star wanes. It did not wane till now.

Honestly I think we're fucked already. They have somehow grabbed the US, probably the most powerful country on earth.

So things like monero may be the real deal now to try and escape the shit that's already flying.

Basically the goal is to try and not be the easiest target, and try to escape mostly unscathed. And privacy in comms, finances, etc, etc is how you become not hte easiest target.

Kinda sad for others who are not able to use those, but it's self preservation really.

All because some poeple will hurt others just for what they are.

Anyway, for all of you belonging to one or more of those categories of made up villains de jour, I wish you all courage, resilience and good luck. Maybe the tools I built help some of you. Like they do me.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \* proceed to cry over this beautiful take \*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What I miss

^ something lee harvey oswald couldn't say?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wasn't me ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ustoppable wallet at it again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> x.com/unstoppablebyhs/status/1890353291399159847

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> xcancel.com/unstoppablebyhs/status/1890353291399159847

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I think it’s a lot more useful to say fighting against authoritarianism than “fascism” or fascism, since it’s more about fighting against people trying to take your freedom away for what ever reason ..

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> .. than it is fighting against people who specifically want to hurt you because of some prejudice and only a prejudice

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> .. or than it is fighting against a specific type of authoritarian political ideology

yeah, let's act like if everybody is equal

go punch elon musk, see how that goes

leave illusions at the door, come on

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I think it's useful to call a spade a spade. it's not doing anyone a service to pretend we're not dealing with fascists

but have you ever considered that maybe they're right and you're wrong? just saying, not endorsing anybody here

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Canada also need a DOGE

i mean the inquisition was pretty sure on the status of the planet and that nearly cost galileo his hide

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’m saying it’s needlessly specific to the point of drawing away for the broader issue

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ZwVxMlGetovuDvZBqkmHNTVx

i mean i'm really seeing in the past few years lots of people that are absolutely sure of things: that covid was chinese, that ukraine is winning, that men in dresses are women

so i'm having some doubts myself here

are those people who are sure about things, actually right?

but well, this is not the place i guess

so carry on

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> brother nobody says men in dresses are women

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> y'all obsessed

i wasn't argueing about that, i was simply wondering if the people that ABSOLUTELY SURE of something, are actually right

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm saying I don't think it is though. I think it's important to talk about the specific authoritarian ideology that's on the rise worldwide

which one?

the extreme liberalism or the extreme nationalism?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> well we've been using the word "fascism" but at the same time it's more complicated and not the same as 80 years ago. but still, recognizably similar

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im afraid many (including here) do not know anything about the 80y old fascism

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we're losing lesson of history

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> so true

yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> are you sayin trans women are men in dresses? That they are not women?

you're asking for my own opinion?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I think you got me confused for someone else <3

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> if you haven't fucked a trans woman I don't want your opinion (:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "brother nobody says men in dresses are women" this is your words

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> trans women aren't men in dresses???

lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> in a sentence plz

that's why politics doesn't go anywhere

maybe the solution is a mass extinction of humankind

i'm willing to do my part

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> its an obsession. Its like a girl watching a snuff film and then clutching her pearls specifically when the sexual abuse scene comes and whining about it specifically as if the bigger issue wasnt that a guy was heinously torturing someone in a basement , torture that included sexual abuse.

Thought i was in offtopic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If a man puts on a dress and says he's a woman, is he now a she? (lyza)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alifib i've stopped trying to argue with the opposite side long ago, it's way more efficient to gather centrist opinions and progressively make your opinion evolve

plowsof, yeah, we got carried away a bit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> maybe switch the other side

but it's a really interesting discussion, no insults or something

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<p​lowsof> Thought i was in offtopic " plowsof, if #monero identifies as #monero-offtopic, is it #monero-offtopic?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> if you're asking if people are capable of lying, they are

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So you're saying that "trans women" are just "lying men"

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you're being very silly ofrnxmr

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you know that's not what I'm saying

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thats exactly what you said tho

but men in dresses are not really women, are they?

we're not arguing about that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And i personally take offense

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> it's literally not bro please cut this nonsense out, you know better

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> everyone here can read, I think

<l​uzidd:matrix.org> I think some people get manipulated by the media into perceiving some issues (political, social) as bigger than they actually are while not recognizing that the media is controlled by people who want you to get enraged by unimportant stuff to 1. gain money from your consumption and 2. distract from the political changes they are lobbying for

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> x

luzidd you're onto something here

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> translation: water is wet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or worse, topics that are bad and needs discussion but are transformed into political weapon

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I hate these

<l​uzidd:matrix.org> ACTUALLY: water is not always wet, sometimes it's solid 🥶🤯

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for people within the topic it make them hopeless

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 🤯

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All i see is transphobes! i'll wear my dress if i want to, and when i say "i'm a woman" i'd appreciate if you didn't call me a liar! Kthx

lol

come on bro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sis*

can't have a discussion when you're demanding stuff

you just want to have a monologue, so be my guest

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's true but like... I actually know trans people. it's the people attacking them who are making it a political issue. you think people want their lives politicized like this? they just want to be able to fiully participate in society like everyone else

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> anyway I gotta go live my life for a bit, y'all be good to yourselves and others

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we need urinals in the womans washroom 💯

Isn't this a monero channel?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I agree that far-right are what caused the issue originally (and are still doing so), and i also wish trans to be able to live peacefully in society like the rest of us. I just don't like the way their rightful opposition and movement for freedom has been turned into a way for bad actor to get favored in political influence. This is obviously a questioin of POV and we all have dif<clipped message>

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ferent life experience, but I have seen transgender using their minority position to act like victims while being completely toxic to not say criminals. Far-right would say "Trans are bad", I say "Trans are humans like the rest of us, why are you expecting them to be better than the rest of us".

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> might be offtopic, but ppl forget that washrooms arent arent gender specific to appeal to genders. Its to protect women from men. Mens washrooms, imo, are already unisex washrooms. I dont think any man would care if a woman used the mens washroom.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> On the other hands, womens washrooms are to protect women from men. And i'm not talking about verbally. I never understood the unisex washroom push, as mens washrooms already cover that

It is offtopic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It is indeed plowsof

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> can i be moderator

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pretty please

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think Im suited for the job

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hey, i didn't start it /s

Anyway so as we we're saying, the issue about washrooms is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I just saw what sounded like transphobism and decided to add my dollat+2c. I'm done. Thanks for listening 🙃

Happy valentines day everyone ❤️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof come to my home

<p​earl:matrix.pearl.boston> oh it's valentine's day i forgot

Show your node some love and build latest release branch 🤕

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its valentines day?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt that in april?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> naa, it's today

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh damn. 💐 happy valentines day mbll

<a​tori_0xbdc3ab4e:matrix.org> Is it true that zcash shielded txs are a lot smaller than FCMP monero txs?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmfao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i asked the local baby deepseek with web access to tell me how much larger the transactions will become

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and it went to techleaks website haha

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/yfuiLctwXfSWdqUxzUzbHcWm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> (techleak is the retarded dero shill that keeps making up schizo fud about key images)

<p​earl:matrix.pearl.boston> oh is there an fcmp paper

<p​earl:matrix.pearl.boston> is the mrl still a thing? i haven't paid attention to xmr in like 6+ years

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/kayabaNerve/fcmp-plus-plus-paper

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah

<p​earl:matrix.pearl.boston> tysm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> MRL goated

<p​earl:matrix.pearl.boston> glad to hear that hasn't changed :3

<r​ucknium:monero.social> atori: AFAIK, Zcash txs with the trusted setup are smaller than FCMP txs, but Zcash txs with the trustless setup (i.e. directly comparable to the trustless FCMP tx) are larger

<r​ucknium:monero.social> zcash/zcash #4946

<r​ucknium:monero.social> > The size of a fully shielded Orchard transaction with two "actions" (up to two spends and two outputs) is 9160 bytes. The corresponding Sapling transaction would be 2756 bytes.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The size of a 2in/2out FCMP isn't completely decided yet (there are options for tradeoffs between tx size and CPU time to verify), but it will likely be around 5500 bytes IIRC.

<e​longated:matrix.org> What’s the max in/out is doable with fcmp++ ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> infinite

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we pull out inputs from other dimensions

<e​longated:matrix.org> Let the adults answer

<r​ucknium:monero.social> elongated: Depends on what you mean by "doable". Ongoing discussion at MRL meetings. Waiting for code optimization to see CPU verification loads.

<e​longated:matrix.org> So we will come to a conclusion if it can go above 8/8 after code is optimised ?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> That is the plan.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> jeffro256 already did some tests, right? Can anyone eli5 the results

<e​longated:matrix.org> Mining outputs will also be restricted to 8in ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hi lyaa how are you doing ?

<l​yaa:nope.chat> i am find and you

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The results are: it's a judgement call

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Your doxbin dropping soon you smear piece of shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't orry there is 4 people behind you right now

<l​yaa:nope.chat> what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you are pitiful

<b​oog900:monero.social> damn Synbhebird (no paper, maybe too hard for a cat) the guy only wanted some public RPC nodes

<b​oog900:monero.social> maybe to fund his gta role playing?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you are right you are right my bad i tend to be very heated very quickly pardon me <del>wyrvc2</del> lyaa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

<b​oog900:monero.social> damn that was quick

<p​earl:matrix.pearl.boston> pff

<r​ucknium:monero.social> elongated: Probably coinbase output consolidation won't have special rules, but maybe they will.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> where is the fun

<e​longated:matrix.org> P2pool payout consolidation with 8in will spam mempool 😅

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Spam the mempool? Thats not all.. It will require building 10s/100s of transactions to consolidate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Currently we often see people consolidating 450+ inputs in 3+ transactions. With 8 limit, that requires building and broadcasting 55+ transactions

damn, I missed OT hr again :(

<j​effro256:monero.social> Right now 1-input proofs are about 10x slower than CLSAGs on my machine, but 2/4/8-input batch much better

<j​effro256:monero.social> Batching benefits drop off after 8-input, from then on it's linear

<j​effro256:monero.social> You can run the tests yourself if you want to: github.com/jeffro256/clsag_vs_fcmppp_bench

<e​longated:matrix.org> If it’s a limitation of fcmp, p2pool will die or payouts need to limited

<e​longated:matrix.org> Are we batching right now? How much worse will the verification time be if we allow 32 or 64 inputs?

<j​effro256:monero.social> Do you mean for CLSAGs? CLSAGs don't really benefit from batching because of their construction

<j​effro256:monero.social> There's not really a way that we can get a discount from verifying 2 CLSAGs together over verifying 2 CLSAGs independently

<e​longated:matrix.org> How much time difference between verifying 100 clsag tx with 32/64 inputs vs fcmp txs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> something like this, i think? jeffro256

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ```

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1 input (16 ring or fcmp):

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - clsag 3.7ms

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - fcmp 33ms

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> = 11%

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - clsag 7.4ms

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - fcmp 54ms

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> = 13.7%

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 4:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm already looking forward Curve Forest

Syntheticbird im outside, let me in x

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> man, this mining is for the birds.

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> we gotta boost the block reward. wen tari merge mining

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> whats all these gigahashes doin anyway

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> whered they come from.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> From zephyr (n wownero /s)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Synbhebird (no paper, maybe too hard for a cat) ^

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> yah know, regardless of how stupid using canned air to dust things and blow dust everywhere so it will settle again.... i still do it

Out of curiosity; can I setup a GUI wallet on a laptop, then a CLI wallet on a server, and link the two together?

Also, can someone give me an idea of how large the blockchain currently is?

found the blockchain size

ZombieChicken, i think what you want to do is run the monerod on the server, and connect the GUI to it... yes, you can do that

once you have monerod up and syncd on the server, you can use the advanced settings in the GUI to point to the IP address of the server and the port you bound monerod rpc to

So that would give me access to the wallet in both places?

well, no. i wouldn't run a hot wallet on a server tho

So the wallet would be on the laptop, and the server would just mine for the GUI wallet?

yep.

the wallet doesn't even have to be "on" to mine. You can just set up monerod to mine to a specific address

btw, there's a specific channel for mining: #monero-mining

I'm just staring at the 83 GB 'chain. That's.... a lot for me right now. I may have to replace the SD card in this laptop, even for the pruned version

I've looked at mining. I wouldn't be mining so much as hoping for a minor miracle

yeah, the monero chain is pretty big.

Thought the rpi 0 2 W I test xmrig with suprised me at nearly 10H/s

I think it was 9.6?

with only 2 thread

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> we gotta boost the block reward. wen tari merge mining <<>> EOY 2020

lol

<e​longated:matrix.org> Bitmain cpu mining is back I think, they also sponsored monerotopia

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Node utilization seam to have ~doubled since ~a day ( xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/Aag-…eC9PaFlpR1d1VnRmRWJ2VWNZd1Jmc0htU2c for IRC users)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's been peeking at ~1K since over 6 months

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> since a day it's been ~1.5K and we touched 2K

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/GwPhKCZVPwmDlGwjgfOudhRN

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Here the last 4 months (dips are when tor burp)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/AbvS…eC9PRndIdm1ERnZ3dlV4YVdSdWJ2TENHdmI

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/wCmOOFJLznkwduIFpJUOhNHj

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> you should compile and run the release branch

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> elongated: bitmain cpu mining is back? they make another "asic" ?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Cpu miner not asic

""

Indeed "nioc"