gingeropolous, syntheticbird has added an "inaccurate" flair to my post on r/monero and also stickied a comment of their own. There is nothing inaccurate in the post. Can you remove those moderator actions?

i really didn't follow the drama closely so i don't really know whats going on. from my cursory glance, it seems like a fireiceuk-like thing, so im inclined to not bother with it

maybe i'll get a bot to try and summarize it.

gingeropolous: it doesn't take much to see what's true and what's not. It's all in the logs. Also every question is answered in the 13 comments on the reddit post.

"All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied." that is true.

gingeropolous: i have no restrictive license. i only have stuff I've been working on

well like i said i don't have any idea whats going on, and the folks that took action are more involved in those areas. id suggest making a new ccs and properly satisfying the various requirements if you wanna get funded.

gingeropolous: everyone is taking that stance, to watch and do nothing. That's what's allowing this to happen.

well im about to head to bed and im not gonna spend 2 hours trying to play judge. but maybe the bot will do it for me. i gotta find me some good logs

Saturday's meeting on this topic starts here: libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250524#c528155 gingeropolous

<m​etaligy:matrix.org> @xmr

Monero is a privacy coin. go to bed

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I really don't think it's strong enough

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> crazy how often we get the same shit over and over again

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> some entitled dev thinking they stand above the idea of FOSS

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> fireice, kewbit, now norrinradd

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> disclaimer, idk the details of todays drama

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> kewbit is bad mmk

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> that was popcorn-worthy chat log

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I don't understand where their code is? All I see is the CCS repo stuff

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> Do they have any repo open? Did they need to licensed permissively the CCS proposal??

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats teh issue

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats the issue

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is no FOSS code, they just want to get paid

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> same thing that happened with kewbit

monerobull no, plowsof is extorting someone and committing a crime

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Ah yes

and you are all just letting it happen

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Can haveno sue for the break of license?

<n​okyc-cards:matrix.org> What do you think guys is waiting for Monero?

<n​okyc-cards:matrix.org> I mean, they made regulations that caused delisting from the majority of exchanges, the crypto regulations that will be imposed by the end of 2026 by EU which is so limiting, it may even cause businesses to avoid crypto payments or at least disable it for EU customers to get rid of the headache of reporting every EU customer's data to authorities?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It will be mandatory actually

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Only financial institutions, crypto exchanges, banks etc are concerned by the removal of anonymous coins.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> And they will need (depending on a specific revenue threshold that i don't remember), will need to register with their local gov and make a department that will handle "risk assessment of clients"

<n​okyc-cards:matrix.org> All crypto, not only XMR.

<n​okyc-cards:matrix.org> Businesses will have to report the wallet address of EU customers to authorities

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh my bad i didn't read the beginning of the sentence

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think it depends on their revenue and if it is worth the spend

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hold on

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok nvm i don't manage to find it back

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but yeah, it's some pretty big amount of money before being concerned by all this risk assessment need (aka the 1984 KYC you are describing)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> most businesses are unconcerned

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> however, they might have more difficulties accepting monero since a european business would most likely want to convert its crypto earnings in fiat via an european crypto exchange, which will delist monero. So their only option is to use crypto to crypto exchanges.

the transfer of funds rule is extended to include crypto. the banks already do it for other payment methods

no major issue, and certainly CEXs aren't going to give up crypto. the main issue is how the transfer of funds rule will be deployed consistently internationally, as there is no single agreed method/standard/protocol

that is my current understanding anyway

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> I think Monero is the means of resistance to these regulations.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> No absolutist regime ever held for long in Europe.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Even in medieval ages, peasants had some way of resisting oppression.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> In times of Nazi Germany, we resisted through satire, sabotages and counterattacks.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> When the Russians came, same thing.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> EU turning evil is not going to be any different.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> The christian church was a problem for long, but not even that was an issue to the Hussites.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> The only thing I'm afraid of is people being too comfortable today and so misled by LLM-driven propaganda that nobody is going to see the issues for quite some time from now.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We need #monero-circlejerk

<i​ty:itycodes.org> What are the regulations?

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> I may be out of picture, but last time i heard about new regulations for crypto, they wanted to prohibit "anonymous wallets".

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Like, yes, sure, prohibit me from generating a random number, assholes.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no directly no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> financial institutions as well as companies getting to a threshold of 30M€/y of revenue will end up in the obligation of having a KYC/AML risk assessment department (the law doesn't describe whether it can be delegated to another company). It is up to the company risk assessment policy to decide whether self custodial wallet are a significant risk factor and then proceed for a check

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so they are probably not gonna prohibit it for 300€

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but if you try 5000€ then yeah, they are either going to say NO, or ask your for source of funds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and if you don't manage to comply to this check you will be filed for suspicion of frauds

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> You almost sound like you want to respect such rules.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> aboslutely not

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I despise it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's just that it's important to be pricse

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's just that it's important to be precise

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Then please replace "going to" and "will" with "we must not allow".

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok we really need a #monero-circlejerk

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for all the philosophical and anarchists gooners

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Pretty please.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Wait 3 more years, SyntheticBird from 2022, it gets worse.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> They elect Trump again and he goes haywire.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> His shitting over the education system last time was a joke.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<n​okyc-cards:matrix.org> You are right, LLM will cause more harm to humanity than their presumed "Money Laundering" scarecrow

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> It might not.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> In the times of surveillance, the cure was countersurveillance.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Now it is developing (yes, reinvent the wheel this time, for what they have created is a square and want you to ride on it) independent AI projects, somebody is going to hit the jackpot before the corpos do.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Independent inventors were always faster the greed fueled monsters.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Join offtopic as well if you wanna continue, this is slightly related, but not really monero based.

<n​okyc-cards:matrix.org> You are right

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> It might not.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> In the times of surveillance, the cure was countersurveillance.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Now it is developing (yes, reinvent the wheel this time, for what they have created is a square and want you to ride on it) independent AI projects, somebody is going to hit the jackpot before the corpos do.

<d​ormouse:matrix.org> Independent inventors were always faster than greed fueled monsters.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Get paid where?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Copyright owners can sue if and only if there is a break in the license

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm not sure but I think woodser can engage a lawyer in the US to lead this action while remaining anonymous.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tho this is likely to cost much money for no benefits since we don't know the identity of kewbit \*cough\* \*cough\* aremor. The main point is that he can't distribute his slop app on any app store.

aremor:matrix.org: "Copyright owners can sue if and only if there is a break in the license" Tell that to the GPL developers that tried to drag OpenAI to court for violating the GPL license (allegedly, because law). Court basically just said "go touch grass lol".

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Most don't sue for GPL violations.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It require money and its more complicated when it's in another country.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can be sure than half of the corporations in control of the Linux Foundation violate the GPL lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *"He's out of line but he's right"*

I actually think the court was right. The GPL is such a restrictive license, I can't call it "free" without laughing. It's like pointing a gun to a developer's head to make them release their source code to the public (under the ownership of the FSF, as stated in the license), and keep pointing that gun to make sure it remains "free".

I was curious how taxes work with something like this since the software I use correlates transactions with initial investment price

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monerosupplies.com has different ones

<n​ull:unsilence.net> will check it out

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> why tf do people keep trying to add me to chat and stuff? matrix is dumb

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> this is fed/scammer behavior

<k​evino:tchncs.de> much better than telegram soam ?

depends, alot of it is automated noise for new room invite or direct spam or...

<k​evino:tchncs.de> spam*

<n​ull:unsilence.net> Hmm they don’t quite have what I’m looking for

<n​ull:unsilence.net> I might have to print my own stickers but it would only be cost effective in bulk. Anyone know about licensing rules for the Monero logo if I were to print a bunch of stickers and resell most of them to recoup my costs?

<n​ull:unsilence.net> Just kinda thinking out loud here btw, nothing in the works yet

<s​gp_:monero.social> @@null:unsilence.net see under "copyright" getmonero.org/legal

<p​w:xmr.mx> Sexy 😎

<n​ull:unsilence.net> Thanks for the link!

<p​w:xmr.mx> > <@null:unsilence.net> sent an image.

<p​w:xmr.mx> Sexy 😎.. shiny or just my eyes?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thanks sgp

<n​ull:unsilence.net> Shiny ✨