<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> ok, thx for filling me in... paid only for a proposal, huh?

<x​mrto0:matrix.org> Added $10k to my short

<x​mrto0:matrix.org> Retarded devs, community, and coin. I love making free money from retards

<x​mrto0:matrix.org> If Monero struggles to keep up with all this CCS drama from a small community, I doubt it could handle the chaos of reaching even 10% of Bitcoin's size. This criminal coin is toast

x​mrto0 - good - now kill yourself

<x​mrto0:matrix.org> Criminal

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What's wrong with being a criminal

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also,who's struggling with drama

<x​mrto0:matrix.org> Thanks for proving my point

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sir, that's a spoon

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Real criminals dont even know what monero is

<x​mrto0:matrix.org> xenu created the whole darknet maximalist manifesto. You guys are finally admitting Monero is a total lost cause

<x​mrto0:matrix.org> Monero is not fungible if the act of using it makes you a criminal

shoo, get back under your bridge

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> still cant tell me what the problem is with being a criminal

Did someone engage boomer mode? "You want financial privacy? Whawhawhaawhaaaa?! CRIMINAL SCUM!" Fucking dork ass niggas.

xmrto0: Please brandish your last 10 year's financial transaction history. Dates, times, locations, amounts are all required, as are funding sources. Since you're Dr. Good Boy and tooootally not a criminal, this should be run of the mill for you.

Is this guy like the Monero version of a /r/Buttcoin-er?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Did you see anywhere where there was a request for payment? You said you read the log

<m​ycellium:matrix.org> anyone know reason for massive xmr correction today? down almost 10% in 24hrs...

<m​ycellium:matrix.org> and best place to get up to date monero alpha? tend to use 'cryptopanic' for bitcoin news... not much on there for monero it seems..

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> looks like they slammed the door on you (closed ticket) after a 2 week wait, IDK

<a​remor:matrix.org> 2 months

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I didn't read the chat log very carefully, I was looking for code that wasn't licensed but didn't see anything

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I only saw a proposal and the chat log after their meeting (?)

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> could you just copy your proposal-PR and put a license on it and re-open a request?

<a​remor:matrix.org> All proposals are for permissivelh licensed work. That’s in the rules. It’s a given.

<a​remor:matrix.org> All proposals are for permissively licensed work. That’s in the rules. It’s a given.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> IDK if they closed it because of that I am just observing and commenting

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I didn't see anything on gitlab like a reason to close or feedback or anything. I saw plowsof quote rule 4 "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. " and close without saying anything else

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I didn't see anything else on gitlab like a reason to close or feedback or anything. I saw plowsof quote rule 4 "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. " and close without saying anything else

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I didn't see anything else on gitlab like another reason to close or feedback or anything. I saw plowsof quote rule 4 "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. " and close without saying anything else

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> jeffro was asking for more details 2 weeks ago and you updated, so 2 weeks since the last on-repo changes

<a​remor:matrix.org> The meeting is every 2 weeks. Proposal was filed April 1st. So every two weeks since then, there was no issue with the proposal. Then a sudden close on May 24th.

<a​remor:matrix.org> The full rule reads: “All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.”

<a​remor:matrix.org> There is no restrictive license.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> does look that way to me

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> (the sudden close)

<a​remor:matrix.org> There is no released work. No restrictive license.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Something else is going on.

<a​remor:matrix.org> For whatever reason, there was a desire to close it. Therefore an excuse had to be found, and found it was.

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> Did you write code yet? or just the proposal?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I read "<a​remor:matrix.org> I’m being extorted for my WIP."

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> Is there a work in progress? where is it? Can I look at it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Was told on the 10th that the work had to be open source or proposal should be closed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres no extortion. You think, in your own worda, ccs's purpose is to pay people to open source their code. You're wrong, and thinking this is why youre in this position. CCS bribe you to release code. CCS doesnt pay you, community members do

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anyway, all the whining is just digging a bigger hole. This isnt like "give us code and we'll merge", its "no code, no discussion. Ineligible". At this point, due to your inability to take responsibility + 9hrs of temper tantrums, code or no code, there's essentially 0 chance of merge.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No extortion, its over. Move on

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I must be losing my mind, I thought the mobile Haveno guy was the one trying to ship AI slop code but now I find there was no code at all!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there are 3 people actually. aremor, which either illegaly keep his source code closed or don't have code at all (more likely), atsamd21 which is steadily developing the C# mobile app quietly (pretty based thx for your efforts), and the other guy i forgot who is making ai slop with Claude

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> btw I'm getting persuaded that aremor is Kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> btw I'm persuaded that aremor is Kewbit

<a​tsamd21:matrix.org> Yeah i'm staying out of the drama but repo is here: github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app

i think we have to ask more questions when people introduce their handful of alts people barely know

or mention being top 1% redditor in a dev proposal... there where signs !

kewbit is near and dear to my heart, im not sure this is him - definitely acting like him running some kind of expose campaign on plowsof / the CCS - but im not sure... kewbit would never have let himself get downvoted on reddit. i think doubling down on 'ive been here since years and i've never seen this happen before' meanwhile you appear to have

been living under a rock during the kewbit situation is comical, the whole thing is just.. better to just move on, i have already apologised for extortion, i don't know what else i can do

Hi! Am pretty new to the whole crypto scene and wanted to ask a question regarding on how to best start using Monero. I've seen multiple Monero and privacy experts emphasize that the only private way to conduct Monero transactions these days is to run your own node as there is evidence that many chainanalysis companies run public Monero nodes.

Is this claim true? If it is, what other node hosting alternatives are there besides hosting from a Raspberry Pi?

you can run a node on virtually anything with ~100gb of disk space ('pruned' node).

That claim is partially true.

It is true that various parties are running spy nodes.

However, they can't get all the data about your transactions even if you offload your node's work to them.

They don't get a destination wallet address, for example. Nor amounts sent or received.

They can get a fairly good idea about which outputs you're spending, and can usually tie your IP address to a particular tx (except if you use tor).

But monero is designed for you to run your own node. Similar to how you run your own tor daemon.

So even running a node from my laptop would be fine (if I have enough disk space)?

Sure. I do that.

Just make sure the chain is on a SSD, at least for the initial sync. Spinning disks are horrendously slow for this.

Will do! And thank you!

And use --pruned-blockchain --sync-pruned-blocks if you want the 100 GB version, instead of the 300 GB version, as someone said above.

Is there a security or privacy tradeoff when using a pruned node?

Not really. If you use --sync-pruned-blocks there's a bit more, but both with and without are pretty much as safe.

Privacy, no change.

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Nice on-ramp video for newbies to monero youtu.be/tYdaFbdDsGs it was somewhere? Idk how I missed it, also all info seems to be up-to-date

<s​unflowersunny:matrix.org> hey guys i have xmr missing after doing an exchange from btc using changelly. they say it has been sent and it is with my wallet but all synced etc. any ideas please?

Changelly stole it. No really, they are known for that. For many years already.

<s​unflowersunny:matrix.org> awww man thought so. i have used them several times before with no problems. does anyone recommend a valid exchange site please

<e​disondotme:matrix.org> kycnot.me

<s​unflowersunny:matrix.org> thanks will have a look

<a​remor:matrix.org> Both

<a​remor:matrix.org> Was told on the 10th that nothing could be released. Nothing was released. Period.

<a​remor:matrix.org> No one else has ever been forced to submit the work BEFORE the proposal is considered. NEVER before.

<a​remor:matrix.org> So no, that is not the norm. “No code, no discussion” has NEVER existed before. NEVER.

Foss at all stages has existed for literally years

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ofrnxmr you don't get it - there is no code, only ideas in his brain, and plowsof is extorting these ideas. these ideas have been promised to be open sourced and he has many years of experience. never have we seen an extortion for THOUGHTS

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> THB i've learned ALOT about the so called 'CCS' system... i know whats really going on, i know why it happened. so sudden. ignorance is bliss! but no, i shall not stand by whilst tyrants run a muck!

Wrong link, sorry repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…afb3bce786546dfb56734a77d0c931fee13

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> aremor am i role playing you correctly

YOURE the one trying to "extort" ccs

"Merge my proposal or i won't foss it"

As if we give a fuck

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> OMG show me evidence of "it"????? EXACTLY. this is tyranny

"Never" ->> looks at initial commit

🎭 👏👏👏

FUK, kewbit, aremor

NEVER HAPPENED, FUK DOESNT EXIST

Hey, that's mean, that was waaaayyy back

<a​remor:matrix.org> So everyone ever before should have been forced to release their work before being approved.

<a​remor:matrix.org> EXCEPT THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

Yeah, becauae THEY ALL RELEASE BEFORE APPROVED

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> he simply mentioned in passing that he MAY have pressed ctrl+s ? and all of a sudden plowsof decides to cancel the funding contract for 75% of the work???? HELLO PEOPLE. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

INCLUDING THE SLOP WERE GOING TO CLOSE W/O A MEETING

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> LMAO

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I propose that for more security on Haveno related CCS, we ban Flutter entirely

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> For even more security, I propose we ban Zig too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and for the highest security possible, the only language allowed would be Rust

Which will probably reduce the number of proposals down to zero, achieving total security: No proposals, nothing goes wrong :)

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> 🤣

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Guys explain to me how have I works inside out

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Guys explain to me how haveno works inside out

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User A posts an offer to a network

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User B see's the offer and sends a request to User A

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User A sees the request and accepts it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User A (seller) sends XMR to a multisig wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User C is a mediator. User C has 1/3 keys to the wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User B has 1/3 keys, and User A had 1/3 keys

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your need 2/3 keys to spend from the multisig

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User B sends whatever they are using to purchase xmr ($, bitcoin etc).

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User A receives it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User A signing the xmr release with their key

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User B signs as well, User B gets XMR

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If there is a problem, like User B does not send the dollars, then user C (mediator) is involved

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User C investigates the trade, and issues penalties and/or payouts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This report was generated on 2025-05-28 19:16

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> When u say 1/3 does it mean that first the seller needs to upload or transfer to some wallet address.

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> If seller A has the Xmr to sell then he has the private key . I didn’t get the 1/3 how its achieved

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1 of 3 keys

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The funds are placed into a multisig wallet that can be spent from by using any 2 out of the 3 keys

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh wtf

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe is it the bash 😭

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> And who picks the mediator ?

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> And what is the benefit of being the mediator ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hand selected

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the mediators are the admins of on the network

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The way they are chosen is similar to hunger games

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh we should just revert to abacuses; at least they aren’t vulnerable to Meltdown

<p​reland:monero.social> “Back in my day, the admins picked the mediators”

<p​reland:monero.social> This is always a good question to ask

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always has been

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always will be

<p​reland:monero.social> Not if fees are set to zero

<p​reland:monero.social> Then the only incentive is charity or fraud

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fees are set to zero because they got sponsored

<p​reland:monero.social> Wait by who?

<p​reland:monero.social> Who’s footing the bill for Reto xD

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > 💸 Zero trading fees until 2025-12-31

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks to a generous community member, trading on RetoSwap is currently 100% free - no hidden fees, nada. They will remain at zero until at least 2025-12-31.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not precised

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> plowsof (maybe you aren't the same plowsof who closed the issue?) - how can there at once be no code, and close the issue for the code being licensed wrong?

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> To me it only makes sense to submit a grant without code done (though devs will probably want to start hacking when they apply too)

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> if there was code, and it was licensed wrong, then I understand.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> aremor claimed to have completed milestone 1, 2 and 3

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so there is supposedly code

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> ah ok,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof just joked about the fact that he most likely lied

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and has in reality no code whatsoever

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> but they won't show it or it has a bad license. That's why I was asking to see it. I am trying to understand CCS as part of this scenario..

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> both

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> to an extent

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He won't show it AND AGPL license of haveno forces his haveno app to be AGPL

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but isn't

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> by being closed source

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> but to be clear, submitting for funding to CCS, devs just submit a proposal. they don't have 'take home interview work' or something

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im ESL wdym by 'take home interview work'

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> if that's true then absolutely shouldn't give any monero over, with a "trust me" from a dev who doesn't show

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> makes sense

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> oh, SyntheticBird from 2022 it's just like, when someone is looking for a job in software, some company will give work for the dev to do on their time, a problem to complete

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> and then they will look at the work and decide if they want to hire

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> this is controversial

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I see

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah they don't have such things to do

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's just a proposal being reviewed

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> because then a dev is doing work for free, and the company can take ideas from it without hiring, and related

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> obviously depending on the nature of the CCS there is some value judging going about your skills based on publicly available infos

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Pov reCAPTCHA from google

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> yeah a CCS proposal is like 'I am this person with this experience, I want to do this job, you should give me this for it with these milestones'

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You will train my AI to recognize the bikes in the image and you will be happy

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> great, thank you to explain

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> really internships are a big issue in some industries too

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> or apprenticeships, the old way, also maybe questionable

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I guess my only question then is if the same story is from aremor - if they say they did have original work, where can we see it, if it exists? it should be very easy to see license if we can see it and clone it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah i know someone who wanted experience quick and ended up being over exploited, he regretted it pretty quickly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He refused to be reveal the work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so we have no proof it even exist in the first place

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> if they just submitted an application but don't have code, then the close doesn't make sense. If they submitted the application, said trust me bro I have it just send the money, that is wrong, and the closing is correct. might be good to have a few more notes so people like me don't become confused tho

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> thank you for explaining

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it make sense

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because despite having no proof the author himself is claiming it exist

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> if they have a WIP without a funding agreement, that is their bad

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> with really any license

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> I like the policy of enforcing permissive license ! that is one reason I might want to try to develop some XMR related something someday

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> it is proper

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> probably a weird question, but it's possible to have a anonymous job and receive money with monero ?

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i search a way to exit this shit gov, to be honest

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and convert XMR into physical money

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and convert XMR into physical money when i need

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> the government in my country are true asshole, it's why i ask that

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and i want quit this country soon to another soon

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and i want quit this country soon to another

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> If you find a good country let me know

<x​3cc:nope.chat> For 5 xmr you can get your worst enemy erased from the surface of earth

<x​3cc:nope.chat> So I guess some N amount of xmr can get you out of your shit gov easy

<x​3cc:nope.chat> To move in another more monero-friendly country

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> if someone have more information about, contact me in DMs please (in private)

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i want to be free

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> fuck capitalist

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> fuck capitalists

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i'm a pure nihilist anarchist

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i'm a pure nihilist anarchist :)

<x​3cc:nope.chat> I’m not that radical but yea freedom is better than not freedom, as they say

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> my country become really shit, and i'm very tired of that

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i don't want to sell illegal stuff, all i want it's a good job on internet and receive money with monero

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i want to be free, not a terrorist ^^"

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and i prefer support good project and small enterprise, etc... i hate big corpo

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> like indie devs, i like support them

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and good project like qubesos, whonix, kicksecure

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and for a wallet, i hesitate between a software wallet or hardware ?

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i want open-source

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i want open-source, no proprietary blobs

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Yea monero is an outstanding crypto

<x​3cc:nope.chat> We pray monero in monero cult

<x​3cc:nope.chat> All binaries from getmonero are open source of course

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i know monero is the best right now, but i talk about a wallet, not the coin

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i want something secure, and don't loose my money

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Whatever you like the most, for mobile there is cake wallet, for desktop feather, I personally stick with monero GUI

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Offline transaction signing is a good way to keep your funds secure, it’s like a cold wallet

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> trezor.io

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> it's not a promotion

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> i'm just curious if trezor is good, some peoples say the firmware is open-source

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Imo trezor and ledger don’t worth the hustle, but I don’t enforce my point of view

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Isn’t it easier to generate wallet offline and sign transactions offline? On air-gaped device, imo it’s better for most secure option

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> and software wallet, you can make backups ?

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Seed phrase + restore height = most convenient backup

<x​3cc:nope.chat> And yes just never use windows =)

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> of course x)

<x​3cc:nope.chat> But if you know about qubeos I guess you know what I’m talking about

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> yes, i know all bad things on windows

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> the last windows i liked is windows 7, after that i quit

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> but i know 7 have many problems too, just less than 10 and 11

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> MS-DOS is the best windows :')

<x​3cc:nope.chat> I saw some guy opened his firewall on windows XP and got infected with malware in 10 minutes so idk

<x​3cc:nope.chat> In 2025 and this malware was a stealer-type

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Stealers sure love crypto wallets

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> some peoples have ideas ?

<x​3cc:nope.chat> youtu.be/6uSVVCmOH5w sorry it’s 2024 but anyways