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<ravfx:xmr.mx> You can try cake wallet. Other than that all exchange that do credit are full kyc.
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Its just too easy to call bank and complain you got skimmed
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<real_human:matrix.org> I'll try it and see if it works
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<real_human:matrix.org> I tried it and was immediately asked for kyc
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Of course. No one want to take risk with credit cards
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<real_human:matrix.org> Why did you phrase it like they wouldnt have that issue then?
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> I did not know if they did or no
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<real_human:matrix.org> Alright
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> I dont have/use bank shit, could not have know sorry
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<real_human:matrix.org> How else am I supposed to get an initial amount of crypto? I literally only want like 100$ in monero every 2 years and for that I don't particularly wanna have to show my id
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Depending if your location you might have luck with haveno reto -or- noones.com
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Note: dont touch to internation countracts, there scams. Only touch local contracts
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yu might find like cash by mail or bank transfer or other way
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Depending if your location you might have luck with haveno reto -or- noones.com
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Note: dont touch to international countracts, there scams. Only touch local contracts
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> [@real_human:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@real_human:matrix.org)
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<real_human:matrix.org> On that site you linked is there decent moderation as far as not getting scammed and if not what do I need to look out for to not get scammed
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Well, really, be careful.
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> **dont touch to internationnal orders**
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> **dont touch to internationnal orders**
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> **dont touch to internationnal orders**
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<real_human:matrix.org> Can I just pick anyone with a decent rating and who looks like they give a decent rate?
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> NON
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Anyone can create accout and make micro transaction and pump rating
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<real_human:matrix.org> Ok then what do I need to look for
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> If its all rating and in your location instead of cote d'ivoire or Ghana then yeah (yeah I mean like if the trader flag match your countrynflag)
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> If its all rating and in your location instead of cote d'ivoire or Ghana then yeah (yeah I mean like if the trader flag match your country flag)
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> If your in EU you can probably take safe trade from other EU location but thats it
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Latam users can probably take contrat from other latam users
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Loot at the location of the contract
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> If its not in your country then SKIP
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<real_human:matrix.org> I'm assuming that is so local laws will actually protect you in the event something does go wrong with it
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> If there is none in your country than dont use that platform
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Local traders also use local way of payment that you probably know how to use and/or can easily prove to moderation
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> I did try to do an international trade like one time.
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> The other party was like "you must release escrow for the instant paypent to work" my ass yeah lol
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> I did try to do an international trade like one time.
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> The other party was like "you must release escrow for the instant payment to work" my ass yeah lol
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> You musssstttt releaseeeeee
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<real_human:matrix.org> Why is it so annoying to buy crypto without showing my id?
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<real_human:matrix.org> I just wanna get a little bit to buy from a site that only takes crypto but i have literally been looking all day and still not found a way to do it without high risk of being scammed
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Credit card payment are extremely easy to revert (buy crypto, call bank, I got skimmeeeeeeed and want my money back)
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> More normies way of payment are unsafe form of payment
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Scampal : can revert
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Credit card : can revert
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Etc
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Etc
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> You have to find a contact who deal crypto and do a cash exchange or something
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> You can't revert a cash payment
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<real_human:matrix.org> The only person I know who does crypto is such a terrible human being I would trust a rando on a p2p site more
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<real_human:matrix.org> What is a small enough transaction that I wouldn't have to worry about getting scammed as much because I literally just need like 90 bucks total for a thing I wanna get
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> hi was wondering if someone could help me. I cant connect to my local node
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> [6/7/2025 9:06 PM] 2025-06-08 01:06:12.969 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.4.0-release)
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> [6/7/2025 9:06 PM] 2025-06-08 01:06:18.563 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.4.0-release)
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> i just keep getting this
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Is your node running?
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and how are you running it? I assume these logs are from monero-gui?
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> the node wont start
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<corwinthreebeards:matrix.org> and yes the GUI
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "node wont start" is why you have the issue. My notifications dont work for this room, can you go to Monero Support
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<modul8:matrix.org> What country currency. It makes it hard for people to help. I think amazon egift may be a good way if a seller accepts it.
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<real_human:matrix.org> Usd is what I have right now
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<basses:matrix.org> thanks
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<real_human:matrix.org> Well I guess I gotta trust you a bit more so you are starting at a baseline of no trust but not expecting you to intentionally screw me
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<sherry:unredacted.org> after localmonero down, buy xmr is much harder for me :(
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<kevino:tchncs.de> Just buy it using another crypto currency
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<real_human:matrix.org> I dont have any other crypto, if I did I wouldnt have this problem
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<kevino:tchncs.de> You can buy from other crypto from p2p platforms
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<kevino:tchncs.de> Haveno is making progress to being more user friendly
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<kevino:tchncs.de> Once mobile app launches its liquidity gonna increase
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<sherry:unredacted.org> stupid way for me to "buy" xmr: mining, paid for power
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unless you have free power :D
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[but in that case you could have directly sold power for money, actually :P]
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<imprevisto:matrix.org> you can buy it earn it or trade for it
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<imprevisto:matrix.org> you can buy some transparent crypto then swap for a more privacy focused coin
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<fineopal:nope.chat> I am hearing that the alleged localmonero clone, named openmonero, just got breached.
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<imprevisto:matrix.org> you can earn it by offering services or goods (or begging i guess)
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<imprevisto:matrix.org> you can steal it if you suck and are good at sucking
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<imprevisto:matrix.org> i guess
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<fineopal:nope.chat> Isn't like the majority of mining power coming from botnet these days?
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<fineopal:nope.chat> Isn't like the majority of mining power coming from botnet(s) these days?
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<imprevisto:matrix.org> note i did not include mine because unless you are doing it it's probably pointless
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<321bob321:monero.social> Openmonero is scam
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<sherry:unredacted.org> when localmonero live, i even saw a North Korea buyer idk it's true or troll
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Confirmation of the hack has been added to the top of
openmonero.com
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Dot co? com? 🤷♂️
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Localmonero.me 🥹
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Lol
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<xypherpunk:matrix.org> Hi guys, i connected all my devices(including this computer) to p2pool to mine as an esperiment
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nice
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<xypherpunk:matrix.org> I do this to help a bit (even to have some monero but to help in primis)
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<xypherpunk:matrix.org> i even convinced a friend to do this
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<dormouse:matrix.org> It's not a bit.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> You convinced a friend and now there are three of us!
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<xypherpunk:matrix.org> In theory i shoude get 15khs
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I am at ~1 depending of how many are running.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> It's mostly a scrapyard miner farm.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> 1 is reasonable, as the whoke network's rate is usually at 3 GH/s.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> (1 kH/s)
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<duggavo:matrix.org> 1 kH/s is very very bad
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I am at ~1 depending of how many are running.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> It's mostly a scrapyard miner farm.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> 1 is reasonable, as the whole network's rate is usually at 3 GH/s.
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<duggavo:matrix.org> my CPU does almost 8 kH/s, and it's a 3 years old Ryzen 5
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<xypherpunk:matrix.org> I now get 6kH/s
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Exactly. It's like brand new. Of course it's going to have more.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Anything else, Sherlock?
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<duggavo:matrix.org> it's a low-tier CPU of the previous generation, with a 65 watt TDP
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Mine is like 6yrs old and gets 6kh
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I am running 10 y/o comouter, 4 y/o low-end phone, and there is 20 y/o laptop coming to the party.
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<duggavo:matrix.org> It only makes sense if you have free electricity
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<dormouse:matrix.org> They may get more useful tasks later.
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<monero.arbo:matrix.org> is a laptop from 2001 can mine at all I'll be impressed
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Nope, it also makes sense if you value privacy.
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<monero.arbo:matrix.org> 2005*
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Some things are not about money.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 32bit
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 35h/s lolol
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<dormouse:matrix.org> It can.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Without some instructions it can get drastically slow and I'm nit sure that laptop has those.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> It can.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Without some instructions it can get drastically slow and I'm not sure that laptop has those.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 1gb ram
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Sufficient without the hash table.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> (Further slowdown)
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Youlk get 30h/s w/o randomx fast mode
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Are you trolling?
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<monero.arbo:matrix.org> hey, every hash is a lottery ticket!
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<monero.arbo:matrix.org> for a $200 prize
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<duggavo:matrix.org> if you execute RandomX on paper it'll take only 5 years to execute a hash, you have a tiny chance of winning 0.6 XMR in five years
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<duggavo:matrix.org> (in five years the block template will be expired so it's useless work anyway)
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<dormouse:matrix.org> There is one more factor guys: Monero suffer not of inflation.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if you plan to hold finances for some decades.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> There is one more factor guys: Monero suffers not of inflation.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if you plan to hold finances for some decades.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> There is one more factor guys: Monero suffers not of inflation.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if your plan to hold finances for some decades.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> There is one more factor guys: Monero suffers not of inflation.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if your plan is to hold finances for some decades.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this.
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<duggavo:matrix.org> No, it's way cheaper to just buy from an exchange with that hashrate. 30 H/s = 0.30$ / year. Even with free electricity it's just a loss of time.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> You ignored my point comoletely.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Just buying from an exchange does not add hashrate to the network.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> You ignored my point completely.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Just buying from an exchange does not add hashrate to the network.
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<monero.arbo:matrix.org> Increased price adds hash to the network, buying increases buy pressure
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Also, the computer doesn't need to run the miner software only, it can mine when idle.
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<monero.arbo:matrix.org> I do have my pos media center adding like 1 or 2 kH cause why not, especially in winter
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes it does
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Miners have often need to sell some xmr to pay operation costs.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Buying xmr keeps miners in business
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<dormouse:matrix.org> That is unsustainable.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> If we want XMR to be the money, what would they sell it for?
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> To pay their electricity costs
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Okay, so they pay their electricity with what they mined.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> I see no role for me in that.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> point was that: _buying xmr supports miners_
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<dormouse:matrix.org> My point was that: *buying xmr supports miners in an unsustainable way*
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If there were no buyers, the price would fall from sales, leading to a loss in ability to afford the electricity, leading to a loss in hashrate
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> K u dont know what youre talking abt and i'm not going to argue
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<dormouse:matrix.org> You don't need buyers at all.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> You only need miners and people who respect XMR as a currency.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Buying = less available = higher prices = higher profit for miners -> more miners = higher security
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<dormouse:matrix.org> You don't buy money.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> You exchange between them for sure, but you don't buy it.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes you do
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats the exact same thing.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> That is the situation **right now**.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Think of the goals, else it's all for nothing.
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Exchanging dollars for potatoes is the same thing as buying potatoes, selling potatoes, or buyinf buying dollars, or selling dollars
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i can buy dollars with my xmr, just like i can buy gift cards, or potatoes
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<dormouse:matrix.org> IMHO words like buy/exchange have nuances to them that set a mentality of how people treat those commodities.
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> higher profit for miners -> more miners = higher security
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> i'm skeptical about that
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> security isn't quantifyable as hashrate
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> the security of a cryptocurrency is the "good" hashrate relative to an attacker's hashrate
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> I suppose it's more true of CPU-mined coins at least
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<dreuzzz1:matrix.org> bought my monero 🥳
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<dreuzzz1:matrix.org> bought my first monero 🥳
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<elongated:matrix.org> Whale
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Security is cost to perform an attack
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Hashrate doesnt matter on its own, what matters is difficulty of obtaining majority hashrate
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<dreuzzz1:matrix.org> what does that mean ?
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<dreuzzz1:matrix.org> is fast transaction priority worth it or is normal or even slow as good?
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Not worth it now. It's for when there's congestion and you're in a hurry.
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Default will default to lowest fee typically.
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I *assume* there's no congestion, only because I've not read about any here :)
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<dreuzzz1:matrix.org> 0.00003072 monero on the slowest lol
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<dreuzzz1:matrix.org> thats less a cent
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Monero's block size is adjustable, so there shouldn't be any.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Maybe if suddenly a lot of transactions hapoened multiple times, people may tweak their mining clients to "spread out" the transactions into multiple fees as the expansion costs some XMR.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Monero's block size is adjustable, so there shouldn't be any.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Maybe if suddenly a lot of transactions hapoened multiple times, people may tweak their mining clients to "spread out" the transactions into multiple blocks as the expansion costs some XMR.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Monero's block size is adjustable, so there shouldn't be any.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Maybe if suddenly a lot of transactions happened multiple times, people may tweak their mining clients to "spread out" the transactions into multiple blocks as the expansion costs some XMR.
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I assume by "there shouldn't be any" you mean "there shouldn't be any congestion".
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Congestion must be possible in that context for this sytem to make any sense.
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If congestion was not possible, and monero had an adjustable block size, it follows that monero's block size could adapt arbitrarily quickly, which is basically pointless.
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So in order for an adjustable block size limit to make any sense, it must allow some congestion.
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<dormouse:matrix.org> Moneromoo: you don't see Matrix replies, huh? Yes, any congestion.
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<plowsof:matrix.org> they don't carry over to IRC . instead it appears like this
libera.monerologs.net/monero/20250608
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Even still, blocks dont grow unrestricted. They are elastic
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if all of a sudden there are 10000 tx in the txpool, the next block wont absorb all of them. It will only grow if fees allow for growth. Even if using max fees, the block wont instantly expand
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> wont instantly expand to absorb all* of the txs. It will grow, but slowly (and fastER if higher fees)
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<ormkg:matrix.org> it seem like somebody pointed me to this group when i asked how to buy monero
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<ormkg:matrix.org> can somebody here tell me
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retoswap (p2p, low volume), kraken (centralized, high volume, requires doxx).
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<ormkg:matrix.org> retoswap is for pc only?
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> for now, yes
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ormkg depending where you are you can find someone with moneroj and like trade with them
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<ormkg:matrix.org> nah man im from serbia
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Oh they definitely got it there
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<ormkg:matrix.org> there is no one with crypto
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(yet, apparently)
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is the pool channel closed?
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yes, it has moved to rizon.net network
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ok thanks for the information
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is this the right channel for marketing topics related to monero?
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<x3cc:nope.chat> #monero-markets:monero.social not sure about IRC
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> irc has room but its not bridged
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Markets is for markets, not marketing
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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> for marketing, this is potentially the right place, depending on subject