21:39 ​<Fibonacci> ​I ate so good today.. Steak filet and ribeye with asparagus broccoli and mashed potatoes and key lime pie with the bros :) in honor of the tari devs :P

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<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cat on keyboard ?

<s​olar:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/oExnQyEKbGFWTVHWpeHcPPLx

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1463112

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> just use moleswap.xyz

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> atomic swap without kyc/aml policy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lol, joins room, shills never-before-heard-of "atomic" swap _website_ lollolol

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Just use basicswapdex or unstoppableswap

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Only 2 providers i trust

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> trocador?

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Trocador isn't atomic swaps

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> as long as I get my coins swapped

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> And contribute to centralization and risk getting Shotgun kycd

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Also higher fees

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> since when is trocador centralized

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Since always?

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They aggregate centralized partners. They're not offering the service but a small list of people is

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They get to pick the fees and who to kyc

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> Never had kyc issues with them ever and swapped more than 6f in total

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> always swap in increments too

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Oh well you're lucky

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Someone with tainted coins won't have such luck

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> they usually mark it as “tainted” when youre swapping with big amounts

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> had this with changenow before

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> 60k frozen

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They can mark coins as tainted when your peer in p2p platforms got them illegaly

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They shouldn't have the ability to freeze or seize your funds at all

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> i agree

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> what u think of moleswap?

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> i like their UI compared to other swaps

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> I have never used them and don't trust them

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> You should use the service for the function not the ui

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Unstoppableswap is completely decentralized and has lower fees

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> (Only network fees)

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> of course but thats just extra plus

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> how much fees for a $10k btc to xmr swap?

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Btc network fees

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Where on most centralized platforms it's network fees + 2-10%

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> yeah i know

<t​horpaul:matrix.org> Looking for Pero!

<a​illia:matrix.org> FYI x.com/c___f___b/status/1931639596846084536

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Why use a public mining pool?

<a​illia:matrix.org> just another X hype / drama.

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Just some dude shilling

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> We (MAGIC) have a new campaign to develop fuzzing harnesses for the monero RPC handlers, providing better assurances of code safety and security even after FCMP. Please consider donating.

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> donate.magicgrants.org/monero/projects/fuzzing-monero-rpc

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> This guy is so up his ass its incredible

<p​reland:monero.social> I *am* curious about their scaling claims though

<p​reland:monero.social> It seems like their chain isn’t exactly built for normal people to be able to run, you basically need to have Threadripper class hardware to run a node

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what is Qubic and how does it achieve its claims (if it does) ?

<p​reland:monero.social> (I think; their documentation is a bit confusing)

<p​reland:monero.social> It seems to be some sort of AI/Ethereum/Nano combination thingy?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> AI?

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh I’m just waiting to try and stress test it, since the coin is shitcoin cheap and there are no transaction fees

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah, they seem really “Altman” pulled in their marketing

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah, they seem really “Altman” pilled* in their marketing

<p​reland:monero.social> I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt until I see cracks lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> They have much money for that bullshit that's for sure

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah the hardware specs for the nodes alone explains how they were able to get such a high hashrate out of the blue

<p​reland:monero.social> Currently I’m fishing for answers on whether or not the blockchain is stored indefinitely (or removed)

<p​reland:monero.social> Because if it is stored….it doesn’t matter if a transaction only takes a byte and they can support 15M tps; that’s still an increase in blockchain size of ~2MB per second, and that can only go on for so long

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah but soon they are gonna say that they are zk pruning at a rate of 2MB per se

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah but soon they are gonna say that they are zk pruning at a rate of 2MB per sec

<p​reland:monero.social> I don’t think I can trust their scalability claims in good faith unless they run the stresstest for a week straight (they have this epoch thingy that splits up the blocks), because at that (lowest possible value) rate the *memory* of the nodes would completely fill up in around 11.5 days.

<p​reland:monero.social> I’ll have to look into Qubic further later; there just seems to be a number of rather odd decisions and unexplained things about it

<p​reland:monero.social> I do think that it could probably be flood attacked if someone cared to do so

<p​reland:monero.social> Probably not worth it tbh

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Hello. How can I get / buy monero? I just installed the client today

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> should I mine?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Or can I convert other money from mont pelerin eg etehrem? I want to remain anonymous. I would like to send money from eth but my src eth should not reveal the dst monero.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If it's stored forever but does 1tx/day, i think it will do just fine

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> oh! wait! if I simply send the exchange... it will not as it is monero?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If swapping out of eth, you can use something like trocador.app

<p​reland:monero.social> It sounds like they just straight up yeet the whole blockchain every week and store it in “archive nodes” for safekeeping

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> thank you!!!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its probably vaporware

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Note: i have not even looked for a git repo

<p​reland:monero.social> I’m lowkey hoping it’s not, because if it isn’t and it isn’t just hopelessly centralized in some stupid way….it can probably be lifted over here

<p​reland:monero.social> They seem to be using it in the hopes that they can create a gigantic decentralized Skynet

<p​reland:monero.social> …in comparison, our goals are a lot more….concise

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My guess:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its an entity that is malicious to monero, that controls or has access to datacenters. They mine monero, dump it to suppress the price and to pay the datacenter bills, and wash trade qubic on their pokemon exchange

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They claim qubic is profitable, but i highly doubt that you can sell any qubic without crashing the market, if at all.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They keep (and dump) the xmr - they dont reward it to the miners

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Think if it like this: you mine my shitcoin, i keep the xmr, you get my shitcoin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Essentially, you're funneling the vakue of your xmr mining rewards into ny scamtoken. I hold xmr, you hold the bag

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I doubt fully that qubic can withstand any actual sell pressure. Its possible that its not even a real blockchain, and youre just being ripped off entirely

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah it sounds like they are auto selling their XMR (and Tari) for tether (so if you figure out where they are swapping….easy arbitrage opportunity there’s

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like "you mine xmr, and give 100% id it to me, and i'll send you an email in return"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> give 100% of* it to me

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol

<system> file ima_67b6dd9.png too big to download (3274529 > allowed size: 1000000)

<p​reland:monero.social> ima_67b6dd9.png

<p​reland:monero.social> (Some1 in the Qubic discord made that meme and thought I’d share it because of relevance)

<p​reland:monero.social> Also uh

<p​reland:monero.social> Apparently there is a discord linked on getmonero.org that the Qubic people think is officially ran by Monero

<p​reland:monero.social> And said discord server times out people for a week for saying Qubic (including me)…..

<p​reland:monero.social> This isn’t going to end well if that isn’t addressed

<p​reland:monero.social> plowsof

<p​reland:monero.social> (As always sry for the ping, just hoping that things cool down before heating up)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wut

monerobull do you happen to know whats going on in the discords?

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah I didn’t believe it either

<p​reland:monero.social> getmonero.org/community/hangouts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "this isnt going to end well" for whom?

<p​reland:monero.social> It’s the stupid badge icon

<p​reland:monero.social> Both

<p​reland:monero.social> No one wins from unnecessary drama

Try referring to it as kewbic if there are any automated filters in place

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ><p​lowsof> monerobull do you happen to know whats going on in the discords?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think sgp left and he was the only real admin

The last i heard of discord is that nobody moderates there and its out of control (one reason why the bridge was removed)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i got locked out of my discord account after they changed it to requiring a phone number

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> after sgp left we had no way to effectively moderate anymore and it was mostly abandoned

Ah thanks for bringing us up to speed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is a way to get back admin powers but it requires you to KYC with discord lol

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Discord is spyware anyway

<n​ighthawk:jameskitt616.one> limit a malware lol