Hi, my node doesn't run 24/7 yet. I know there's an OPSEC risk if you spend XMR too soon after starting a node, but is there a similar risk with *receiving* XMR too soon after starting a node? R

The R is a typo

im just a user without much knowledge but i would consider it being extremely weird if wallet sent anyting to the network on recieving monero

lazhrb: fair enough :-)

<p​reland:monero.social> I almost always make bad calls on these sorts of things, but I assume that the only situation in which receiving Monero in close proximity to receiving it could have the following concern:

<p​reland:monero.social> - in the case that the sender is attempting to cyberstalk you *and* has reasonable suspicion to believe you may turn on a node to sync with the network (*very* difficult thing to have on a person in practice), they might be able to use their nodes to check for peers that have recently turned on/off. While a single transaction would likely be not enough, if you do this enough times<clipped message>

<p​reland:monero.social> and they track you for long enough, they can probably narrow you down (worst case scenario would probably be around 3 if I had to guess, but someone with more free time than me could probably create a formal equation to determine this)

<p​reland:monero.social> In general, the more consistent and unique your behavior, the more you will inherently stick out.

preland: Okay, thanks for your advice. :-)

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> What I meant by that is that it can replace the deposit addresses with their own any time. Look at elude

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Probably won't but it's still a possibility

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Yes. That’s a possibility. But I think Trocador has enough of a history to not do that. :).

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Same as elude

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Or how incognito market suddenly scammed everyone

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> 🤷‍♂️

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Just use atomic swaps when possible

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> And get dirty money in exchange. 😬

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Who cares. Crypto is p2p

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Atomic are okay, if you know you will never need centralized swaps

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Or if you're just swapping for xmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/RSlfQeRFwKaslEauEmoGBObW

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> AI

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> will take over the world

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> What does that ai even do?

<p​w:xmr.mx> Nice and accurate. 🙄

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> It will revolutionize the planet trust me bro

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Totally not a scam

super-scam: read news about the 700 indian engineers doing the work of a fake AI and more

like the über-under_paid workers of amazon mechanical turk

AI = Actual Indians

and GPT = Gujarati Professional Typist :D

some more --> usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4VzDDvtH/image.png

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can get dirty money from any A rated trocador exchange 🧠

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the only exchanges guaranteed to not give you dirty coins, are the ones who kyc

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Yeah but it won't show up as tainted on aml checks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you got dirty eth/btc from exch, it would show up on aml checks

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> How is that possible?

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> It should show up that the money came from the exchange

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Does the bot also check for where the exchange's liquidity came from?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thats how the exchange's funds are flagged and blacklisted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> of course this only applies to transparent coins

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Major exchanges (like coinbase) can and do treat non-kyc coins with higher risk, particularly if they are coming from a flagged entity, and even moreso if those coins are stolen

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Fuck kyc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So the idea that trocador == no taint, is nonsense. Only exchanges that dont allow depositing tainted coins (kyc friendly exchanges) can guarantee you taint-free coins

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Fair enough 🤣

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> A rateds are mostly good for trading TO monero.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> they give you a link to the trade on whatever site you're using, just cross reference the address

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Don't they usually use new/different addresses for every trade?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> honestly, I worry about sending KYC coins from non-private chains to something like a DEX or atomic swap, don't want wherever that BTC ends up to come back on me

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yes! you would have to check for each trade to make sure it matches the actual exchanger, but they do give you enough info to check

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> The provider could scam

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> well sure

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I certainly wouldn't send any of them an amount of money that would make me cry, personally speaking my limit for trust would be something like 1k USD. If you send them much more than that, or really any amount of money that is "serious" for you personally, it's pretty risky

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Indeed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> not if you use a dex

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> right, we're talking about trocador

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> although Haveno does require trusting mods, not much of a dex in the true sense

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> on trocador, id you use a compliant exchangr/ they have AML laws to follow

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> The mods can't steal your money

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm mostly referring to trustless solutions, basicswap, unstoppableswaps

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> It's 3 way multisig. 2 people have to agree on every transaction

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yeah most of them aren't based in my country so the idea of pursuing them legally for a few grand is untenable, as it would be for most people

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They very much can

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> How?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The mods can easily be 2/3 of those parties

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Oh makes sense

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> simple, the seller and the mod collaborate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I am a mod, i see your offer to sell 10000 xmr, i use my non-mod account to "take" your offer. I dispute it. I side with myself

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> More likely "are the same person" than collaborate

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> potato potato

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No need to split the funds with someone else

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I collaborate with myself sometimes =p

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> me and my alts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anyway, thats the biggest problem with havent. Implicit trust in the admins is required for any xmr you offer for sale

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> haveno*

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> How are the admins chosen?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They chose themselves

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They don't tho. Haveno is decentralized

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no it isnt

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The network is decentralized, the seed nodes, admins, arbitratorrs are all handpicked

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the fees, if any, are alsoncentralized

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> need a better place to list local swaps, technically can do it on Haveno but functionally you have to do the swap outside of Haveno and just use Haveno for advertising due to lack of mobile support

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Or carry a laptop around I guess :/

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its more accurate to say that its distributed? Its centralized at its core though

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> *sighs in LocalMonero*

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Does the offer taker chose the arbitrator(

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Use vnc /s

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The arbitrators _are_ the 2 admins. No, you dont get to choose

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Oh alr. Never used haveno

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive used it, but idk if i'm comfortable leaving large amounts there

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Would be quite the mess if the arbs every woke up and decided to sweep the orderbooks

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They definitely have an ugly look now

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I trusted leaving money on LM more than on Haveno sadly, might be irrational of me but eh

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They obviously exit scammed

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> ??? LM didn't exit scam

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> LM didnt exit scam

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Oh wait that was openmonero

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> The new clone

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yeah don't trust the clones as far as I can throw em, and I can't throw a website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> localmonero.me * hahaha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> shameless

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Any evidence they got hacked?

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They could very much have sweeped the wallets themselves

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No evidence

I have never had an issue with transparent coin from a non kyc crypto to crypto non kyc one hopped to a kyc / fiat exchange

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You must not use coinbase

I haven't checked in awhile but it always received a relatively high good score from kyc exchange

Correct, not coinbase

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Coinbase with even punish you for depositing to a dex or swapper that they have flagged

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i doubt kraken would do something like that, binance, kucoin, mexc for that matter

<c​rz:matrix.org> They call it conbase.

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Mexc is trash

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Shotgun kyc champions

So the only option is left without KYC is Haveno and Trocado?

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> I usually do robosats instead of haveno

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Way more volume

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They also had monero underpriced by 10%, and closed withdrawals for ~30days recently while doing so

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> [@comradeblin:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@comradeblin:matrix.org) x.com/OrangeFren/status/1933188553074487346

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > We believe CoreSwap, VigorSwap, exch2 and **Moleswap** are all operated by the same scam team

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Where is the Z guy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably launching ratswap

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> @Z

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Orangefren is pretty reputable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Orangefren listed coreswap and they exit scammed for like 2000usd right away

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> These scammers are pathetic

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> who is disturbing me from enjoying this beautiful Friday

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "i'm not moleswap. Everyone please go to moleswap and try to swap 100kusd. It will work, i promise"

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> ?

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> moleswap got removed from the scam list in kycnotme

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> tolded you goys

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it was on the list? 🤣

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> yeah for whatever reason

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Z def runs moleswap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont even see it on the website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kycnot.me/?q=Moleswap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think he meant coreswap

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> you sound bitter, here is my ref code MOLE50-A7X9K2 for lower fees

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🤣

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> I will use it!

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> based

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Bruh it scammed me

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Give me my money back

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> good

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> they must not like you

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Bruh I lost 0.5 btc

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> guys, is it normal that i use p2pool mini on my 16 core computer for 3 days mining but i still didn't earn nothing? I know mining monero shoude be done for the comunity first, but there is nothing bad if you also want to a bit of moneroj

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> They probably haven't hit a block yet

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> You get paid when p2pool finds a block and you have shares in the window

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> How much hashrate do you get

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> 5000h/s

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Well then you just got unlucky. Last block was 17h ago. If you had had shares in the window you'd have gotten paid

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> mini.p2pool.observer

5000 h/s for 16-core is very low

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> mini.p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time?hashrate=5&magnitude=1000

It should be around 20 kh/s

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Are you using gupaxx?

mini found 3 blocks today

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> You're probably using the gui wallet to mine

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Why does observer say 17h ago???

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Thats unlucky I turned my miner off today 🤣

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> yes, i think is so low because of the fact that is a laptop cpu. If not i don't know what cloud it be

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Ah yeah most likely. Also make sure it cools down properly

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> i'm using xmrig

<s​olar:monero.social> xmrig.com/benchmark this will give you a good idea of what your CPU's hashrate should be

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> I used to elevate the laptop using whatever so the air intake at the bottom has free flowing air

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> I do the same thing with an old domo-kun plush ahhahahahah

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Btw you could try running xmrig on linux, enable huge pages and all this stuff, if you havent already

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> huge pages? what is that?

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> xmrig.com/docs/miner/hugepages

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> tldr: run as sudo

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> I didnt know it was automatic now tbh

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> I already do that fortunately

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> thanks🔥

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> No problem :)

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> @Z scammed me

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> holy shit stop larping i’m not paying you back 0.5 that you don’t have in the first place

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> send transaction id

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> of 0.5 btc

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> stop larping

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> send order id send transaction id or stfu

<s​malltalk6:matrix.org> stop begging for me to refund you like i own that shit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "for me to refund you" 🤣

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnAI scammed me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I said i'd pay you back

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> i finali got pay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm not paying you back now

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> no, for mining. i wasn't payid for days

<a​nestheticbliss:matrix.org> Damn I really should have left my miner on today 😅

<a​shven:matrix.org> its been over like 9 months since they announced keystone and Cake wallet integration. thats sucks

<a​shven:matrix.org> response from keystone team "Hi there,for our Monero integration, we’ve used Serai Rust libraries (monero-serai and monero-wallet), which are maintained by the Serai team.

<a​shven:matrix.org> As they confirmed that the library has undergone a full community-funded audit. According to them, any further auditing of downstream code is not required.

<a​shven:matrix.org> We’ve made some minor integration-level modifications—mainly adapting the interfaces for Keystone’s firmware signing flow. These changes are isolated from the cryptographic logic or core transaction construction.

<a​shven:matrix.org> Given the nature and scope of these adjustments, we believe they don't introduce new security risks that would necessitate a separate audit.

<a​shven:matrix.org> Of course, if CakeWallet prefers an additional review of our integration layer, we fully respect that and are happy to collaborate accordingly. At this stage, it's less about the underlying library’s security and more about aligning on process.

<a​shven:matrix.org> We’ll continue to follow Cake’s pace and contribute to moving this integration forward, while appreciating the community’s understanding of the diligence we've applied in selecting and working with this audited library."

<a​shven:matrix.org> response from keystone team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Hi there,for our Monero integration, we’ve used Serai Rust libraries (monero-serai and monero-wallet), which are maintained by the Serai team.

<a​shven:matrix.org> As they confirmed that the library has undergone a full community-funded audit. According to them, any further auditing of downstream code is not required.

<a​shven:matrix.org> We’ve made some minor integration-level modifications—mainly adapting the interfaces for Keystone’s firmware signing flow. These changes are isolated from the cryptographic logic or core transaction construction.

<a​shven:matrix.org> Given the nature and scope of these adjustments, we believe they don't introduce new security risks that would necessitate a separate audit.

<a​shven:matrix.org> Of course, if CakeWallet prefers an additional review of our integration layer, we fully respect that and are happy to collaborate accordingly. At this stage, it's less about the underlying library’s security and more about aligning on process.

<a​shven:matrix.org> We’ll continue to follow Cake’s pace and contribute to moving this integration forward, while appreciating the community’s understanding of the diligence we've applied in selecting and working with this audited library."

<a​shven:matrix.org> I wish at least there is clarity

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> who are you talking to ?

<a​shven:matrix.org> i was referring the keystone team >< in my message i wish there is clarity in the process

<a​shven:matrix.org> been waiting forever i was the the beta testers

<a​shven:matrix.org> at least it working with feather but thats false marketing

<a​shven:matrix.org> many of my friends also got that hardware wallet in hope that they can use it with cake wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cake works with keystone the exact same way it works with cupcake

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do you have a keystone? try it

<a​shven:matrix.org> outside of beta testing?

<a​shven:matrix.org> its not safe to use the beta version

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What beta?

<a​shven:matrix.org> yes i have it

<a​shven:matrix.org> the beta version for monero cake integration

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The URQR signing is the same in cake, anonero, and feather

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And cross compatible

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What are you talkin about

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there should be nothing special abojt keystone vs cupcake vs feather

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If there is, that's a keystone problem

<a​shven:matrix.org> image.png

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cupcake, feather, anonero (and xmrsigner for that matrer) all use the same URQR cross compatible flow

<a​shven:matrix.org> thanks for the info bro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There should be nothing different. If you can setup cake with cupcake, you should be able to do the same with feather or keystone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cake + cupcake, cake + keystone, cake + feather, etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont have a keystone, but if they did some sideways impl that only works with cake, thats their problem

<a​shven:matrix.org> yeah you have to have cake wallet in the app

<a​shven:matrix.org> i tried again it doesn't work

<a​shven:matrix.org> it prompt me to go bluetooth

<a​shven:matrix.org> not like the beta testing version

<a​shven:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/tuHnHRBvgnNCbZuHpVpdAtKy

<a​shven:matrix.org> if you tried this now it wont work

<a​shven:matrix.org> its not integrated yet by cake team

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then thats a keystone issue/ not a cake one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> At a glance, this looks _identical_ to cupcake setup

<a​shven:matrix.org> Yeah but you need the app inside the hardware wallet to use Monero key access

<a​shven:matrix.org> Its only available in beta testing

hi

a quick question. if I want to see if I received monero to a sub address. is there a filter searching for sub addresses like show_transfers <subaddress>?

IIRC there's a "balance all" or something. Try "help balance".

moneromooo: I want a list like transfers_all but only for a certain subaddress not for all addresses inside an account

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using cli? Or rpc?

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> Guys, i don't understand one thing about p2pool mini: when i go to my profile in most recent shares and i click on one p2pool id and search my address it says that i hear like 0.0005 xmr but i never recive nothing, is that normal?

Assuming you did receive something, you may want to check your wallet is scanning coinbases (this is the default, but check refresh-type in the monero-wallet-cli "set" output).

Also check the refresh-from-block-height is <= the height with the first tx to that wallet.

And check your node and your wallet have both finished syncing.

Come to think of it, optimize-coinbase is probably wrong for p2pool...

Set it to full-coinbase.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mooo, whats the eli5 on optimize-coinbase vs full-coinbase?

Optimized checks the first output, and checks the other ones iff the first is for you.

This is good for old non-p2pool, where coinbases had outputs by denominations, but this is obsolete now. Coinbases are now 1 out (so optimized is basically the same as full) by default, but p2pool sends many outs to different miners AFAIK, so that logic would fail.

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> how do i set it up?

So since it's the default I'm guessing it got changed already...

Just run "set", and check the value of "refresh-type" and "refresh-frim-block-height".

Then: set refresh-type full (if needed) and set refresh-from-block-height 0 (or another number that's <= your first tx). Then rescan.

But first, check both node and wallet are synced. That's more likely the cause.

Well, the refresh type thing got changed back in 2021. Who keeps adding the year number, it's crazy...

p2pool has existed for like 4 years... Wild.

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> Nothing

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> it didn't work

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> wait

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> they sent me a payout

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> i don't know if was that that resolved but thanks

<x​ypherpunk:matrix.org> i don't know if was that resolved but thanks

<a​shven:matrix.org> amazing to see runing mining node

ofrnxmr: cli

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