<t​esttank:matrix.org> Have you guys read about Intelbroker ? Imagine being skilled enough to hack any corporation and goverment agency but stupid enough to accept kyc btc

<t​esttank:matrix.org> I Hope he takes a kind of deal where he starts working for the “good guys”

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Such talent would be watested otherwise

<t​esttank:matrix.org> youtube.com/shorts/KkPFAeyqE6Y?si=xd0RT9HntYCa9n5K

<t​esttank:matrix.org> They are starting to understand.

<t​esttank:matrix.org> slowly, and then all of a sudden

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> good man use xmr,bad man use btc,haha.

<x​3cc:nope.chat> All other crypto exist to serve monero

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Bitcoin was a proof of concept

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> BTC has another name:ltc

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> they have almost the same code

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aye, not really anymore

<x​3cc:nope.chat> I would say Bitcoin Cash is more similar

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Litecoin is nice because it’s block time is 2.5 minutes almost like monero and mweb privacy feature

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'd also disagree there. Bch has deviated significantly since block wars

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> To give bitcoin core credit, the node actually works properly

<x​3cc:nope.chat> I don’t know all the details actually, maybe you are right

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Litecoin and bch node's are buggy / poorly backported

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Working with basicswap ive had to deal with all sorts of issues from btc forks.

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> But it has controllers, as anyone who has read Chinese news knows, the government wants to control LTC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> An example is, litecoin leaks your ip when using onion

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bch wont allow you to generate a wallet until the node finished syncing

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> The creator of Ltc is the owner of a company that works for the Chinese government, but many of its contributors and maintainers come from there

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> What I know is that part of the code for the digital RMB comes from LTC

<x​3cc:nope.chat> It’s made to compromise privacy or why?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just brokem

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bitcoin fixed the issue years ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bch never backported the fix

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> btc is the most "well oiled" blockchain out of all of the forks

<x​3cc:nope.chat> You mean RNG maybe? Random number generator, or what is RMB

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Litecoin is honestly a PITA

<x​3cc:nope.chat> Yeah it almost like bcash developers don’t pay much attention to some things

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> only blockchain that i dont seem to be able to copy/paste the blocks & chainstate folder successfully

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> ecny

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theyre all about flashy stuff, VMs, contracts, space ships

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bch doesnt have segwit, but supports atomic swaps using a different method

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> CNY

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The closest to bitcoin is probably namecoin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The rest are like 6+ versions behind

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…d410f56d1caecd841938813161293479936

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> WOW,monero is 3st in china

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> DCEP is ecny

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> DCEP is a controllable anonymous payment tool with value characteristics and legal compensation.

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> A cryptocurrency or tool issued by the government

<t​esttank:matrix.org> The only real use case crypto has it’s private and uncensorable transfer of value everything else it’s bullishit wrapped in buy it and hopefully it will go up.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there are a few 'full nodes' for BCH/BTC, Rucknium has tested some/all during his research. which one was borked ofrnxmr?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the thing i like about monero-wallet-rpc for beginners is, it will run a shell script for you and pass the txid of incoming transactions (--tx-notify). the above blockchains assume you have your own http server running and know wtf you're doing

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/bitcoin-cash-node/bitcoin-cash-node

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bitcoin/bitcoin #17681 fixed here for btc

Why does the monero daemon want to create a directory in /sys?

ERROR daemon src/daemon/main.cpp:377 Exception in main! boost::filesystem::create_directory: Permission denied: "/sys/bc"

(Debian 12.11)

is that a release binary or from a package manager?

did you provide a --data-dir /sys/bc as a runtime flag?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> `bc` definitely sounds like a custom dir

<a​shven:matrix.org> We need the help of Monero community to sign this. Please your help is appreciated

<a​shven:matrix.org> change.org/p/proton-to-add-monero-payment-support

<a​shven:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/wbrQDdvBRutdNynYwPNtJVdc

<a​shven:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/zNKaXNSxsZRjylWuwPdKuJTY

<a​shven:matrix.org> What is the problem for bch node?

<a​shven:matrix.org> What is the problem for bchn node?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant generate wallet from hd seed until blockchain fully synced

<a​shven:matrix.org> Currently there is a chip in bch to reduce block time to 1 min

<a​shven:matrix.org> I will forward this for the BCHN team

<a​shven:matrix.org> I will forward this for the BCHN maintainers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bitcoin/bitcoin #17681

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> send them this too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This needs to go over r/monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt it already

<b​asses:matrix.org> this have been for almost a decade

<b​asses:matrix.org> Proton will never support Monero

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> would be cool if they did

<b​asses:matrix.org> protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/960…suggestions/48672359-support-monero

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> but Monero is filled with legit people that want to keep their transactions private

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and criminals

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Simplelogin does in a roundabout way

<b​asses:matrix.org> protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/935…ions/33188971-monero-payment-option

<b​asses:matrix.org> proton doesn't want to listen, basically but muh criminals!

<b​asses:matrix.org> proxy store?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> If there wallet wont support it, they wont accept payment

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The offical way

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> According to their support

<j​ennny316:catgirl.cloud> that's a shame. i already pay proton's preminum plan for the VPN & email service, i would've loved to be able to use monero

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> There's always cock.li and mullvad

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> cock.li is free whilst mullvad accepts just monero

<b​asses:matrix.org> first one is a honeypot

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'm not entirely too sure about that

<b​asses:matrix.org> search

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> They've been completely honest in terms of their policies

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> atleast imo

<b​asses:matrix.org> not a couple of years ago

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> how so?

<b​asses:matrix.org> and they recently got breached cyberinsider.com/data-breach-at-coc…exposed-over-1-million-user-records

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Ik it's right on their site actually

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> mail.cock.li

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> And btw

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> when you host a public service, specially privacy focused ones, people abuse them

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> only the names, emails, vcards and comments have been leaked

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> proton would be instantly blocked from probably every big email provider if they accepted Monero

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> passwords have not been leaked

<b​asses:matrix.org> only lol

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> sadly

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Well yeah it's not as if proton or tutanota is really any better

<b​asses:matrix.org> at least didn't have a breach yet

<b​asses:matrix.org> Tuta is worse than Proton

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'm sure you remember the article on the French journalist?

<b​asses:matrix.org> not a data breach

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Umm ip address are in email headers too

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> But if it's only the emails and they still deliberately don't hide it,

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> does it really matter?

<b​asses:matrix.org> it is an email service, all have to comply even cock cock.li/transparency

<b​asses:matrix.org> suspiciously last record was from 2022

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> True

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Most log login ip address

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Oh well

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> self-hosting seems like the only option now ig

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, for abuse

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yes

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> it is

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> that is why I run my own email server

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I have no problems with it and I'm not in any blacklist AFAIK

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I might give it a go, I've thought of having my webmail service be proxied over to wireguard on a VPS so I can still have all my emails stored locally on my server at home

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yeah that may work

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> or you can use POP3

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the problem with POP3 is that you can't see your email on more than one device since it's downloaded from the server to your client

<b​asses:matrix.org> privacyguides.org/en/self-hosting/email-servers

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the problem with POP3 is that you can't see your email on more than one device since it's downloaded from the server to your email client (device)

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'm not sure if I'd have the bandwidth to tho

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> thanks

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> That's where the VPS comes in

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> why?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> email takes like no bandwidth

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'm on a shared network

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I tried serving a simple nginx webpage

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> But that was still a lot

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> So just letting a VPs handle it is probably the best bet

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> So just letting a VPS handle it is probably the best bet

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> Stalwart seems to be good

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I use mailu.io personally

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'll have to look over the docs first tbh

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I have been wondering if there is a way to encrypt the emails on the server when they arrive and decrypt them locally with your device using a pair of keys

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> something like how Matrix does it for encrypted messages

<b​asses:matrix.org> use FDE?

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I think just using cleopatra might be the best way?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I'm sure it's possible but I wonder why no one has done it yet

<b​asses:matrix.org> and PGP

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> That is not a solution on servers

<b​asses:matrix.org> of course

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and is also not a solution if you get hacked lol

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> PGP works, but that requieres both ends to share their keys and lets be real, most people don't use PGP

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> You could have your emails encrypted using PGP keys, of course the receipient would also have to already know to use your public key tho

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Mhm true true

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> your bank is not going to use PGP to send you the status of your bank account lol

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> would be cool tho

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I think a better approach would be to just isolate it completely and dump essential stuff onto gmail and leave it to rot there

<b​asses:matrix.org> dont use email lmao

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> would be the best

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> but everyone uses email for basic communicatins

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> but everyone uses email for basic communications

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol no

<b​asses:matrix.org> instant messaging exists

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'm not sure if it's for everyone

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> But matrix is pretty common for devs now

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> And you could try to get your irl normal people on signal or matrix too

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> It isn't that hard to set up, like, at all

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I would prefer signal

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> mhm that works too

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> my parents used signal so I just hopped on there

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> Matrix is a mess IMO

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> yeah it's quite bloated atleast compared to IRC or XMPP

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> ig the fundamental way it works is king of suspicious too since matrix used to be backed by a terrorist organization

<e​ddie:oblak.be> lol

<e​ddie:oblak.be> what do you mean backed by a terrorist org 😅

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Sorry about randomly dropping that XD

<e​ddie:oblak.be> The spec is open source, it's pretty transparent how it works

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I think it was suppose to be the mosside?

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> And the way it essentially works is by syncing chat logs

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> So it means metadata spreads from server to server

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> And because matrix.org is the biggest server it ends up being a sort of "hub"

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Filled with metadata that's constantly being synced to it

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> So yeah there's that concern

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> So yeah there's that concern too

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I agree there are drawbacks to matrix

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Plus it's written in python

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and federation just makes it worse in my opinion, I'm not against federation, but on matrix, is extremely easy to create a homeserver and start spamming things on the whole matrix space

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and bored people do that

<a​shven:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/JNsCCosMuEpitojVmQtHOofX

<a​shven:matrix.org> Official statement from their vp or manger

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and you also depend of the moderation team of one homeserver

<a​shven:matrix.org> At this time i think the are mocking and hate monero like fuck that but i am still assuming good faith

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> It's the same for everything really

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> IRC, Discord, email etc/

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> It's just how things are

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> well yeah

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> true

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> IRC, Discord, email etc

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I also say the same thing, is the same on whatsapp

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'd prefer decentralised spam rather than centralized spam though

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the thing is that matrix is mostly used for rooms where there is a lot of people so it's just WAY more annoying

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Since you atleast have the option to blacklist servers

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I think

<a​shven:matrix.org> Dude hosting mail sucks and mail is mot the best way of communicating nor its private edward snowden even said that. But this is the modern world its essential what we gona do about it?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> fix it

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Just like with IRC or XMPP you can set up a Matrix server that's 100% private and not federated.

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> hehe :^)

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I would like to implement the email protocol with some sort of encryption by default

<a​shven:matrix.org> Nah man this is aint fixable proton with their mighty fund didn’t fix it you want me to fix it ?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I'm sure it's possible, but I wonder why no one has done it yet

<e​ddie:oblak.be> that's what lavabit did

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> probably because it requires a lot of work?

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> True true, but there's way more pros to simply using XMPP

<a​shven:matrix.org> If it were to easy everyone would have done it

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Especially in regards to the various system usage that comes with matrix

<a​shven:matrix.org> Its not convenient and shitty experience

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I'd move to XMPP if there was a significant dev community but

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> most are on matrix so I'm kind of forced to use

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I had no idea about it

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> thanks

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> email should still remain a priority though

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You could use IRC , there're still lots of devs there afaik

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Ik but it isn't really that "trendy" anymore ig?

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I work on NixOS or atleast I'm trying to

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I was trying to fix vesktop and 2/4 of the contributors had matrix whilst the others had email

<a​shven:matrix.org> People living in the real world know thats its essential. I am not going for job interviews or put signal or discord id on my cv lol

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> And the nixos community doesn't even have a IRC server just a matrix server

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> again, I'd probably just use gmail for that as a sort of burner acc

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Lots of IRC channels are bridges to matrix

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Really?

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I didn't know

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Lots of IRC channels are bridged to matrix

<e​ddie:oblak.be> This one too

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you're in one

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> I might check it out ty

<a​shven:matrix.org> Or use proton with premuim domain they offer and simplelogin

<a​shven:matrix.org> Better than google

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Is it done using like bots?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> matrix.org

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you can read there about bridging,

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it are sort of bots yes

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> Ah ok I see it now

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but they are called bridges, specifically the ones that "bridge" networks

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> Whats so good about IRC?

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> It's plain and it's simple

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Depends on how you define simple

<t​humbtacklover:pub.solar> That's what great about it rlly

<e​ddie:oblak.be> IRC isn't E2E encrypted by default

<e​verythingxmr:matrix.org> It just feels like matrix but with worse privacy and more steps

<b​asses:matrix.org> he's dumb or something?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> proton has always been meh at best

<b​asses:matrix.org> there have been an a request for almost a decade. See links I shared

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it doesn't surprise me from them

<b​asses:matrix.org> or just engagement farming or they are already doing it anyway, but I feel like the formal

<b​asses:matrix.org> all that people that signed up to give feedback on their "uservoice" doesn't matter and some random change petition that can be rigged easily will take it as feedback lmao?

they said we'll do it anyway. why pass up on free advertising?

"or just engagement farming or they are already doing it anyway, but I feel like the formal" both :D

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> will we get gta VI, unstoppable wallet xmr, or proton accepting xmr first

<e​inliterflasche2:matrix.org> Unstoppable Monero wallet might closer than you think ;)

<e​ddie:oblak.be> waiting for that one

they won't do it anyway