<m​obley:converser.eu> What is your os?

my local store has a 256GB SSD for $20 and a 512GB NVMe SSD for $36

lowest price HDD is $55

that's 1TB

1TB MVMe SSD is $65

buy an SSD

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> At that price its very likely to be dram-less. Fine for the monero but if you import big data in it it's going to choke.

I bet long term ssd is way worse than hard disks

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Naa, there better in every points. And bottom of the bag el cheapo drive can absorb over 25GB daily for over 10 years.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Data retention is different so it have to be turned on a few hours a year to be sure.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Ssd from like ~2008-10 where trash except if you paid a lot of money

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But they improved a lpt

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Lot*

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> youtube.com/shorts/coIAmdJXM_Q?feature=share

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> blurt blockchain is the xmr of the web3 blogging platforms where people earn from their content

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> via the blurt token, i stack these tokens, then i convert them to ltc over at the hive-engine, then into xmr

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> my way of...off ramping into xmr...

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> besides others

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> One day I may own some Monero.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Tried mining it no luck. None of the exchanges I am on have it.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> It is the elusive cryptocurrency for me.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> swap litecoin for xmr

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I have no litecoin anymore.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I own mostly bitcoin in cold storage that I'll probably never touch. With some xrp that I can never seem to get rid of lol.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> mine xmr, changenow to ltc, ltc to usd with exchange

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I have tried to mine xmr. I have never gotten any before.b

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I have tried to mine xmr. I have never gotten any before.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^. Use the exchange to buy ltc

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Where dobi exchange ltc for xmr?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> mf, the point of monero is invisibility

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Where do I exchange ltc for xmr?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> If I was working on a project that was to involve Monero and making it easier for people to mine and use it in business transactions. Is there any place to apply for funding to help make the project viable?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Is this the right place?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> ccs.getmonero.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kuno.anne.media

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Is this an exchange platform?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> trustless: basicswapdex

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> decentralized: retoswap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> centralized: trocador or orangefren

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> centralized exchange: tradeogre (ltc -> usdt or btc -> xmr)

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Nope. More of a self custody management system for multiple cryptocurrencies. Was thinking about making Monero up front and center as a 1st class option.b

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Nope. More of a self custody management system for multiple cryptocurrencies. Was thinking about making Monero up front and center as a 1st class option.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But you dont own any :D

A payment processor for multiple crypto currencies?

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Is this a cli tool or app?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "easier for people to mine and use in business transactions" monerorajafanOS

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Assuming it's not a web application

I suppose the busines ls could mine monero during our of business hours

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> It would involve including MoneroGUI with the software suite. As well as coding it into the management software itself.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I dont own any. Doesnt mean that it has been on my radar for a long time and love what it is about.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I dont own any. Doesnt mean that it has not been on my radar for a long time and love what it is about.

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Check out the monero-wallet-rpc in the extras folder of the GUI. Could be helpful.

Have you done any research what so ever? E.g. looked at what solutions exist and how you'd improve them

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I remember trying to mine Monero for 3 weeks on my old laptop. Felt like I was playing scratch off lottery with my 1 in 12,000+ chance.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I wonder what sort of rig you would need to mine 1 xmr per day.

blocks are every 2 minutes with a reward of 0.6 xmr and the current network HR is 5.3GH/s

with that info you can fidure it out

also figure it out

or at least how much HR you need

Is it possible to mine using p2pool -without- having a local copy of the blockchain?

(xmrig)

Possible yes but not recommended

IME it's impossible to get the bc these days.

A gui uniting p2pool and xmrig + xmrvsbeastsbraffle displays a list of remote nodes you can use for p2pool github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx

Ty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Quantum, ive synced the blockchain probably 20-40 times this year

I just can not catch up.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> is your computer older than monero?

No, it'sa 64 hread Epyc.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You would need a lot of CPU for that, big upfront investment. It's hard to make it profitable if you don't have access to free electricity. You can estimate what you need using xmrig benchmark

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then blame your hdd

According to iostat HDD is 72.4%

I have solar panels.

And 64 threads is decent.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You need 5 300 000 000 / 720 to mine 1xmr per day

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You keep repeating yourself

Don't know what those units are.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Get a new drive, or suffer in silence

And I am repeating myself to answer questions.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the answer is in hashes per second

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre nkt answeting any questions - there are no questions to be answered

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your hdd is too slow to sync the blockchain

You are not understanding. Be a little kinder.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is it tunning in a raid config?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Running*

It's one 5T HDD.

5T

My actual question is why is mining p2pool without the blockchain not recommended?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> because of latency and reliability

Any special switches to xmrig?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no, you point xmrig at p2pool

Cool.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You dont need any switches on xmrig. P2pool determines the parameters (payout address etc)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Any except for the "pool" address

P2pool config + nodes @ xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html

Would xmrig split into many threads, or must I run many instances?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Try it

2gb of ram per thread is jt?

64 thread epyc, can't afford an SSD

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, 2gb total

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 5TB HDD amd can't afford a $10 ssd

nioc: You really want to know?! I am a real estate developer and am building 5 houses, when my lender cut me off without notice and I was left with no financial resources as I wasn't stashing money, I was putting it all into the project. Ok?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> not ok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> TMI

Are you my landlord?

you are talking to someone who used to be homeless

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hahaha

You keep complaining about my financial resources, and yet now it's TMI. You are just mean.

Paying the guys .mortgage and he wont shell out dor an ssd

collecting deposit bottle to convert into monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> nioc knows the hustle

You don't seem to know that sometimes in life we have difficulties. Must be a kid.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kids who have been around in monero for 10years must have been infants when they got started

If you had any sense of respect you would accept the constraints that others sometimes have.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Honestly, i'm thankful that i don't

So you claim you're not a kid, but you certainly are a disrespectful person.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 5 days of "i'm using a raw file that i found on some dusty corner of the internet, not listening, and making false claims that monero cant be synced" cost more than $10

More evidence.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<q​uantum`> So you claim you're not a kid, but you certainly are a disrespectful person." << pretty much

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ok lets act like sane adults

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Where did you find the raw file?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Note: it was removed from guides on getmonero.org 3 months ago

Did a search, I don't remember specifically, but importing it got me to 74% right quick.

Ah maybe the old link still works 💢

To me, it's the best way in my case.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Did you use the unverified/unsafe import option?

No, just standard verified.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3.How long did it take to import

I'm now looking to ine while the bc is downloading by using xmrig on p2pool and xmrvsbeast.

A couple hours. I've been trying for weeks to get the rest of it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Don't bother downloading the blockhain. You wont be able to keep up

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just mine and be happy

Yes I think that's best. I didn't know that is possible.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> follow instructions at the link plowsof posted

Have you considered comparing deals for your internet /.phone bill? You can likely save more than an ssd per month

Reading now. Which ports does Gupaxx require? My big machine is headless.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> none, technically

Guoaxx should just work

Just went on food stamps and will arrange for low/no income programs for utils. Mortgages are in forebearance temporarily.

Seems like it would need some port(s)...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It does not

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Does it say you must open ports? No? Then it doesn't require you to open ports

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You download gupaxx, and run it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> or download p2pool, and run it with params as written on the link plowsof sent you

I ask because my big machine is a VM separate from my workstation.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ok

I want to compile and it looks like RUST which is great, but no compile instructions.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Gupaxx?

Yes, def RUST.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You're running headless? Then use p2pool directly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Gupaxx is a GUI

I was thinking running Gupaxx on my workstation, to control the headless, hence the questions about ports.

Maybe it's just a $ cargo build...

Ah shit, Debian's cargo is too old. Trying backports.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If you mine in a vm, you have to pin the cores and patch the MSR from the host side, or patch the hypervisor to forward the msr patch to the host

Oh? Why take these measures?

L1/L2 caches?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Cpu pining will prevent thecache to trash and prevent stupid like two thread ending in same core.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> MSR patch disable some of the cpu feature to greatly increase your hash rate

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Cpu pining will prevent the cache to trash and prevent stupid like two thread ending in same core.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> MSR patch disable some of the cpu feature to greatly increase your hash rate

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yes

Ah, thank you so much r​avfx:xmr.mx

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Also if you want to gain more hr you might want to tighten your memory timing. It also make a big difference but it might not be possible on your platform.

There seems to e a good bit of control in this (server) board's BIOS. I'll try to figure this out.

Ok a newer cargo is not in Debian's backports, so I'll have to use the gupaxx binary and check sha256.

Debian libs are too old to run gupaxx... pfff

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> debian moment

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Does xmr have, or has already implemented means of quantum resistance?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Does xmr have plans for, or has already implemented means of quantum resistance?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes, nothing concrete yet

<e​longated:matrix.org> Plans yes, nothing concrete yet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What abt qubic resistance

There are changes with Carrot that provides forward secrecy

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> for that you need botnet resistance

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/VJaAZWXRctXLwHYiZoAEyoXJ

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/diYtdyYabVOlXucarHdOQmmZ

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> del:2xsend. qubic doing crazy shi

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i was jokinf

is the #monero-pools channel restricted?

yes, pools has moved to rizon.net

ah ok ty

was trying to see what was up with all this qubic mining "attack" nonsense

<e​ddie:oblak.be> If it would be an attack it is not really successful. It's now almost a month (?) he/they are doing this, but afaik it's rather helping to break supportxmr's dominance a bit

👍

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Hi. I got the Mymonero wallet running on a couple of machines (different distros), and was very surprised to find out that this was accomplished by simply downloading MyMonero-1.3.3.AppImage file and running it. Very cool, I never saw that before!

<m​eatt:matrix.org> hey

<m​eatt:matrix.org> can anyone help me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hi

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> dontasktoask.com

<s​vntr:matrix.org> So then I decided to go over to Kraken and get $20 worth of Monero to test them (the wallets) and promptly bought twenty dollars worth of Bitcoin. I haven't been able to figure out how to buy monero with bitcoin on Kraken yet. Could someone tell me some interesting, useful, and hopefully not too expensive ways to fix this?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I want to end up with monero in one or both of the wallets.'

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> note: mymonero isnt "private"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The mymonero operators can see your wallet balances and transactions

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kraken lets you buy xmr directly with usd

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not 100% sure, but i think there is also a btc/xmr pair? Search the kraken website or app for xmr

<s​vntr:matrix.org> With whom and under what circunstances would the mymonero people be likely to look at the balances or share them with others?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Whenever they feel like it, i guess

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 👆

Presume the worst and hope for the best

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plan for the worst and hope for the best

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Have there ever been any situations where they are known to have done this?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I'm thinking it may be safe enough in any situations that do not involve subpoenas.

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Is there anything that does not have this kind of problem without downloading large parts of the blockchain?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You dont have to download the blockchain to use a "full" wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> mymonero: does syncing for you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> other wallets: you do the syncing for you

<s​vntr:matrix.org> What are some examples of "full" wallets?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Does this thing use irc commands?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For desktop? Feather wallet, monero GUI

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Feather is the easiest out-of-box experience

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Feather is the best imo

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> While "GUI" have a nicer "look"

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Thank you very much. I'll see if I can get monero GUI Feather working. Do those also have the .appimage files?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Feather have appimage, for the other one I would have to check

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> answer no for GUI

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But your distribution might have GUI

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I set up feather once before, I think.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Gui has a pseudo appimage

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, a normal tarball

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Untar in a folder and just run

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Ok, I found both. I think I'll go with the Feather.

<s​vntr:matrix.org> The procedure is to verify the signature first and then do the shasums?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> for feather, yes

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> well, I think you can do in the order you want (I never really did it, I just setted it up in the ebuild and it does it for me)

<s​vntr:matrix.org> So if I just download the .appimage file and verify the shasums I should be ok?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> you can check the signature if you like.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> you can also check the shasum

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> the signature are theoricaly better as a verification

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Does this have any effect on Monero? And should this be brought to the attention of the MRL?

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> quantamagazine.org/computer-scienti…gure-out-how-to-prove-lies-20250709

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I'm more familiar with the shasums because I've been doing them for decades on distros. I thought the was to verify that it came from whom it is purported, and the shasums checked the validity of the actual file, ( not a fake file or corrupted during download)

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I thought the signature

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yep, exactly

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But the verify also very the whole file like a sha afaik

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> so at the end the verify is technicaly better because it confirm who made it

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> In both case if a bit is wrong it will bark at you

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I think I'll play around with the signatures until I start trying to pull out the hair I no longer have! And then probably just settle for the shasums!

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I'm not sure if those signatures are something I should learn to do, or just way too advanced to bother with... probably both!