<s​vntr:matrix.org> Well, I got feather downloaded, verified, and apparently working. can I transmer my $20 in bitcoin into the feather wallet?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Feather is a monero wallet

<s​vntr:matrix.org> ok, so I have to sell the bitcoin and buy monero?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Well, I guess I'll wait a while and see if bitcoin goes up enough to make a few dollars on the transaction!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yea

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> pro.kraken.com/app/trade/xmr-btc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It looks like you'll lose $ if you wait, because xmr price is going up faster

<s​vntr:matrix.org> This is rather odd... I bought some monero, and now it says I have $5.05 in monero. Do you have any idea what happened?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Ok, it seems as though I have $14.53 in bitcoin. I guess I need to figure out kraken!

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Tradeogre

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If you want to use a CEX

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> no KYC, so faster to "figure out"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They already used kraken to buy the btc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> .

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I got it figured out. (I think...) By buying the $5.05 in xmr, I went below the minimun amount to trade, so by putting the $5.05 back into bitcoin, I was then able to get the whole thing into monero. (only lost about $1.50)

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Threat model: Does the feather wallet also have the passphrase feature?

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I have a more philosophical question as to why govts and banks paint monero as nothing more than a pirate currency. The majority of usage of monero is on drug marketplaces, which is illegal according to the feds.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Well, how about the fact that govts engage in cyber espionage, mass surveillance, controlling banks and hence controlling people, full on dictatorship, war crimes, and way too many other inhumane activities. Why is that not illegal? Why do they get a free pass? Why can't normal people see this?

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Looking at just snowden leaks and vault7, do people not realize how much control they have?

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Or is it that cypherpunk ideology is completely destroyed?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Well, since monero is anonymous, how would anyone know what it is mostly used for?

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Where do you see monero being accepted the most? Remember how silk road popularized bitcoin, even though satoshi didn't want it to be used for such purposes

<b​asses:matrix.org> >The majority of usage of monero is on drug marketplaces, which is illegal according to the feds.

<b​asses:matrix.org> based on what statistics?

<b​asses:matrix.org> kycnot.me

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Replace it with any illegal activity, according feds. Ransomware, etc.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Replace it with any illegal activity, according to feds. Ransomware, etc.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> What? This means absolutely nothing. I wanna buy food, electronics, etc. I cannot do it directly, there is always an intermediary

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> My point is that govt has brainwashed people into believing that they are clean

<b​asses:matrix.org> this still doesn't answer what you have claimed as fact "most moner use is for drugs".

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> It's painted by everyone as such, that's what I was trying to say. Even if say, 10% of monero is used for it, so what?

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> It's a free market.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Ransomware is a good thing too. It's made people more security conscious and less reckless. Whoever gets crypted, deserves it. Apart from hospitals and other humane orgs.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Point is why should we believe what they say is bad. It's upto us to decide. Majority of people don't understand this.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> excellent question

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> The drug war was started by them, they benefit from it and yet everyone hails when some free market gets seized. How are people so delusional?

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> because the people do not know the system, they do not know the Vatican birth certificate control system that we fell into (Justinian Deception Youtube channel, and JD2 prosecutions channel on rumble)

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I don't know what that is.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> we've all been programmed to see and relate everything to the fiat currency unit of measurement, its a programming hard to break out of

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> if you fine time, give those channels a look

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> if you can understand the birth certificate fraud, it will put the pieces to all the puzzles

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I stay away from youtube. It's not worth my time.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> especially to peoples fears of being hit by the LAW regarding monero usage

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> this relates to our usages of monero grearly

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I do agree that's a fraud. The whole idea of telling the govt of what I am, who I marry, where I belong is absurd.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> yes, it all comes down to what is called the LEGAL PERSON/FICTION

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> a lot of folk are very afraid that by holding or using monero, the law or System will get them, which is true...only for those who dont know what the legal person is

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> for that, you guys NEED to watch all videso on THE JUSTINIAN DECEPTION youtube channel...or you can find it on odysee

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> or other places where people have reuploaded Romley's vids

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> With proper opsec measures, they cannot do anything.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> we are not that identity the guvment tell us, which is the legal person...

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I agree. There is no democracy. Not even in EU.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> There never was, why do people still believe in kings? Fucking delusional. How can you give away so much control?

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> at the end of the day, if we hold any identification given to us by the state, or system, and if they catch a man or woman using monero, under that name via the bank account, then they will have full access to a person...who has been legally acting as the legal person, who they believe themselves to be

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> the legal person can be found on your driver license

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> your passport

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> look at that document...is it English?

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> and why does the surname/SURNAME always come first in the documents?

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> you guys need to watch the justinian deception youtube channel, its a small channel

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> with vital vital VITAL information to free ourselves from the system

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> The borders were meant to divide us. All the ID documents, it's a full on attack on our sovereignty.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> yes

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> we were born into a deadly Vatican control system, whereby they utilized our family names, and patented it's usage in the system, represented always on documents via ALL CAPITALS (this is called DOG LATIN)

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> through this deceptive bastardization of English and Latin, they created a fake language that looks like English, but isn't, and cannot be read as English

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Ok that's a a little far fetched. Vatican is not the only player. I was talking about general govts.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> that's how they created the legal person, and all them fake documents we hold so dear

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> i won't convince you, if you find time, the channels are open for your perusal

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> but please do give the channel a chance, it relates directly to using monero and not fearing getting heat from the Law

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I think the more important topic in hand is to escape from it.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> the channel shows you the existence of two types of birth certificates

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I am sorry, I do not take anything serious from video content.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> one we were given by birth, which has your name, and the SURNAME/surname attached to it

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> one, that does not

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> the one that has a surname, or whawt you perceive to be your family name, attached to your first name, together these create what is called the LEGAL FICTION, placing us as debtors under the government and the entire Vatican birth certificate control system from birth

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Orwellian indeed.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> there is another birth certificate one can obtain, with the correct knowledge, and doesn't cost a dime to obtain other than delivery fees from the courts, that is called the certificate of birth, which has no surname on this document...if one can obtain this...it places we the people back to our original position...creditors of the system, we are the ones using our signature to ma<clipped message>

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> ke money in this system

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> that means, by getting back to this position, and letting go of all things that has the surname/SURNAME on it, we are creditors, no longer obliged to fall under legal jurisdiction as a debtor...or their slave...which means if we use monero not as a debtor, but a creditor standing in the system...they cant do shit to us

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> their laws only apply to those operating under the legal person

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Man stick to the facts. The ones I wrote are real, people have seen it and it continues to happen.

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> i pity you

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> i know others here will give that channel a chance, i am not here to convince you

<b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> have a good day

<b​asses:matrix.org> please continue at #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> How is government censorship off-topic?

<b​asses:matrix.org> how is the discussion relevant to monero any more?

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Wasn't monero created for one of that reason?

<b​asses:matrix.org> you can still talk about it in the offtopic room, no one preventing you from doing so

<b​asses:matrix.org> 👆

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Avoiding my question. Fine, I will give in to your censorship. It's disappointing.

Fucking morons... Thanks for the /ignore function.

moneromooo: what are you ignoring? they come through a bridge. /ignore m-relay? :D

You can use /ignore -pattern <f​ineopal:nope.chat> *

really? very useful. thank you.

I'm at 199 ignore rules...

Who's gonna be the 200th :D

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> You are one of them. Using IRC like a fucking idiot.

Though in fiarness a lot are variations of old automated spam messages.

moneromooo: probably me!

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Imagine using a plain-text, old beard protocol no gives a fuck about. Have fun living in the past, psychos.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Jezus, get a hug somewhere.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> All of you are state owned anyway. Try to use your brain, it's not that hard.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You're getting all defensive because mods directed you to a place where you can rant .. grow up man

I wonder what's the logic in insulting someone you just were told cannot read any of your messages anymore.

Perhaps some people get turned on by bitching at a wall.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> I am talking about this message from moneromoo: Fucking morons... Thanks for the /ignore function.

"state owned"

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> You don't get the replies on IRC? LOL.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> How about encryption? How much emojis? How about better UX? No?

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> How about encryption? How abouy emojis? How about better UX? No?

the retardio is going higher and higher by the second.

<f​ineopal:nope.chat> Are you from glassrom channel? Windows hardening?

<b​asses:matrix.org> emojs are not encrypted on matrix (metadata)

<b​asses:matrix.org> the room #monero-offtopic:monero.social is created for this exact reason.

<b​asses:matrix.org> discussions that is not relevant to monero, your initial question/theory was a bit related to Monero, but it deviated after that

Sorry about this

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> fineopal has been censored from all channels

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> The irony of being censored from a privacy and security focused cryptocurrency that promotes freedom. Is palpable.

Generally, when someone turns "move to another channel, this is OT" to "this is censorship", it's safe to assume they're disingenuous or not worth wasting time with.

Same with those turning pushback for being an asshole with "you hate what I'm saying and are trying to suppress it".

Like spammers. Just makes life better for low cost.

They had their chance, blew it.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I dont pass judgment other than it is ironic.

sovereigntyman don't confuse Monero with Matrix/IRC/Telegram/Signal, what have you.

One is the undisputably uncensorable thing, all others are moderated, whether you like it or not.

Unfortunately, this is kind of a con that comes with the pro.

I don't see the irony anywhere, lol.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> You do what feels right to maintain the community.

Maybe find laughable how much you whine about it.

I haven't done shit. The censors did.

Also why I added ignore functionality to my game. If you're a raging nazi racist transppobic homophobic whatever else asshole, you can still play but people won't have to have their day blighted by you ^_^

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I literally have no other shits to give other than pointing out being censored from a group that creates unvensorablr software. No more. No less. I am half asleep right now and have not had my coffee yet lol.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I literally have no other shits to give other than pointing out being censored from a group that creates unvensorable software. No more. No less. I am half asleep right now and have not had my coffee yet lol.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I literally have no other shits to give other than pointing out being censored from a group that creates unvensorable software. Is ironic to me. No more. No less. I am half asleep right now and have not had my coffee yet lol.

Dude, you're giving your two cents, I am too. Shrug.

I already tried to break it down for you but your 1 neuron brain won't get it.

One thing is monero, the other is a group, that isn't monero.

taco time, nicholas san oddspellingname, fluffer and your mom herself might all be chatting and censoring in here, against your moral compass, that doesn't have anything to do with monero the coin.

lets not distract sovereigntyman from his homework 1. how to obtain monero, and 2. research the existing options for "making it easier for people to mine and use it in business transactions" as he wishes to make a CCS proposal for it libera.monerologs.net/monero/20250713#c541066

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Good point

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I have at least 2 neurons thank you very much.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Both are fueled by coffee.

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> oh no qubics back at 900 mh/s

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> we must do something! release the forks! batten down the patches! Florg the tobblewomps!

lol

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> man the reddits blew up over that

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Reddits is still a thing?

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Hail qubic 🧎‍♂️

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Sometimes i forget thar social media networks still have millions of users.

billions*

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Sometimes i forget that social media networks still have millions of users.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Oh that makes me want to vomit.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Lol

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> oh wait its gone. recall the forks. unpatch the things

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I'm sore with reddit over the whole game stop debacle a couple years back that ended my stock trading career.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Damn brokerages making up their own rules and not allowing me to exist my position in time.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> What was that group called? Wallstreetbets?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Offtopic 🙃

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> This is true.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Here is on topic. Do any good Monero CLI applications exist which have all the essential wallet features for linux?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Specifically for creating wallets, generating seed phrases, sending payments, and receiving payments.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Here is on topic. Do any good Monero CLI FOSS applications exist which have all the essential wallet features for linux?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-wallet-cli?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Please link me my good person.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> getmonero.org/downloads

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Holy shit balls. It is available for the base operating system i am using.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> This will make this significantly easier to develop. Thank you kindly.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I would say "you're welcome", but i'm not sure that is the correct response here

You're absolutely right!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> wallet-cli isnt what you want for development, wallet-rpc is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xyproblem.info strikes again

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> arent you meant to look what already exists before you start building something? or

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Apartment not

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Aparently not

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Apparently not

Only if it's not just because you wat to do it for fun.

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Everything is for fun

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is for $

Or for rage, as you'll learn if you peruse the internet for a wee while :)

-2

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Why?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> docs.getmonero.org/interacting/overview/#interacting

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> How big is the Monero blockchain now?

Searching the web..... docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-systemd/?h=gib#assumptions it appears to be approximately 220Gib (full node) and 95 Gib (pruned). Would you like me to build the payment processor using monero-wallet-cli using stdin + python subprocess still?

That'll be brittle.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We need a drinking game for this question

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Why is how big is the blockchain a common one?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Why? Is how big is the blockchain a common one?

Very, yes. But the answer changes all the time...

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I think i only have a spare spinning rust drive big enough.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Not my first choice.

Spinning syncs *very* slowly.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Awesome...,.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ssd

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> All my ssds are currently occupied.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> You can't censor me. I am behind 7 proxies.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> But I will take this discussion to off-topic.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> One last question: are there any active cypherpunk mail list anymore? with same quality of participants as it was in 2000s?

<m​4n7:nope.chat> I miss Hal, Wei, Gavin, Satoshi, Adam. They all grew up >.<

<m​4n7:nope.chat> (Some died, unfortunately)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I aM pRotEctEd bY mY mIliTaRy grAdE MaiNfRamE quAntuM FirEwaLl

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/YjBlPXgKlccCzjNlfAWFxtoI

<m​4n7:nope.chat> It was meant as a joke. Do I really need to add /s?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Funny that banning someone on matrix is basically a minor inconvenience.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> On IRC, it's even less.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I got banned the other day from a tech podcast community for asking why one episode a cast member was a man. Then the next episode they were a woman with another name. With no explanation given.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Whew boy I was even respectful too. Then i got attacked by a group of Chihuahuas.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> That has nothing to do with internet censorship/monero. I suggest you stick to something at least remotely close to it.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> Podcasts are a waste of time.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Of course they are. It is entertainment while working.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> Whatever you are working on, will be futile as well.

"I am behind 7 proxies." "I know, I am on your computer looking at your config."

<m​4n7:nope.chat> you again, aren't you annoying?

You choose how you see it :)

<m​4n7:nope.chat> Clearly you lack sense of humor. Annoying.

What is a sense of humor ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whats humor

<m​4n7:nope.chat> It cannot be sensed by people without it.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> It's like asking a blind person what's infront of them.

"My life".

<b​asses:matrix.org> m4n7 what are you trying to achieve?

Sorry. I was not supposed to have a sense of humor. Disregard previous line.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooonero

<m​4n7:nope.chat> He started it. I only posted one question.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Ahh... Trolling.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> How big is the stick up your ass today.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> What? I am serious.

One... one... /me looks at a unit table in an astronomy textbook

<m​4n7:nope.chat> Does anyone know?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Sure you are. People with sticks up their asses tend to shit on random people.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> How else will they get them out.

<m​4n7:nope.chat> You are being disrespectful, not me.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Sure.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Yay, they fucked off.

Anyway, assuming you are the previous poster, who, let's be honest, was a bit of an asshole, I'll stop making fun and let you be and hope you're a good citizen here. Welcome back.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Size doesnt matter

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Off topic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Size doesnt matter

moneromooo: "hope you're a good citizen" That's a very statist thing to say.

Thanks, I'll remember that when i need to troll a rabid anti state person :D

(good point though)

Anyone know why create a pid file? My systemd service fails to do that.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So it knows what service to kill

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-systemd/#systemd

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nvm, shouldnt have responddd

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I forgot, youre the guy who will keep asking the same 4 questions for the next 3 months while you try to sync to your hdd

lol, your bad...

And, a PID file is useless with a systemd service. Why I asked.

Oops, I'm not supposed to help you since you're a kid.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if it's useless, why does it have a `PIDFile` key? Ehhh??

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What kind of adult refuses to help kids

You have to understand the mechanics of a systemd service.

IT keeps track of a process. Which is also the function of a PID file.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who's the one asking questions

RE: <m​4n7:nope.chat> I miss Hal, Wei, Gavin, Satoshi, Adam. They all grew up >.< The originals are still around ;)

not all but most :)

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ">.<" emote mentioned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> freedesktop.org/software/systemd/ma…atest/systemd.service.html#PIDFile=

Oh I know it's an option. But for this purpose it is useless. Owing to the mechanism of systemd.

Did you check the git log for the commit adding it ? It might say.

No. Not interested. Somebody's off track.

Anyone running Gupaxx?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> dontasktoask.com

You are quite intolerant.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ok, then the answer is no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody is using gupaxx

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody has ever heard of gupaxx. Nobody recommends gupaxx. It doesnt even exist

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe ask a real question

Thank you King.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My pleasure

"[XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers." You are not doing this.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I am

You like to -think- you are...

... but you've made two attacks on me just a few lines up. This makes a toxic atmosphere.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> quantum he's been giving you genuine advice but you're not listening to it and repeating the same issue over and over

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dontasktoask.com

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is how i welcome newcomers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also nohello.net and xyproblem.info

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> where is the attack, sir? Is it in the room with you now?

Repeating -what- issue?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You were told about p2pool and gupaxx yesterday (or the day before, or both). you were told about the hdd issues on multiple days

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And you ask "does anyone use gupaxx". read dontasktoask.com please

What's that got to do with today?

FWIW, if you're getting too annoyed by someone, just put them on /ignore. Makes life better. Doesn't have to be permanent either.

Alright, putting him on Ignore. And if this remains the way things are here, I am ditching monero.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> asking questions is incredibly hard huh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rip

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> Hey I was wondering if someone could help me. I want to switch over to a different operating system, how would transfer my local monero wallet to there?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Are you currently using win****?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> ms, that is?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Couldn't you restore from a seedphrase after installing the wallet onto your operating system of choice?

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> Yeah I'm using windows, I'm planning on switching to Linux

<s​vntr:matrix.org> If you are new to GNU/Linux, you should try Linux Mint XFCE!

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Not if you value privacy and security

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Don't believe me? Run the application etherape, or iftop on a fresh installation. Monitor all the network connections it makes on first boot. Research all of the connections it makes.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Voila untrustworthy as fuck.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Better options if you want privacy and security would be Alpine Linux, Arch Linux, Rocky Linux, or OpenSUSE. All have XFCE available.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> If you want a lean desktop environment.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> If you want a fully featured one that is similar to Winblows. You could go with the Cinnamon Desktop Environment, or KDE Desktop Environment.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Oh no flamewars 😅

<e​ddie:oblak.be> That would be the best way to do it regardless from operating system, imho

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Whatever his threat model is he should start off with mint xfce and then look into Tails, Whonix, or whatever, unless he has a very high level of computer compentency

<e​ddie:oblak.be> he should start with whatever he feels comfortable with

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> You shouldnt start out insecure.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> any linux is already a huge improvement over windows, if you ask me

<b​asses:matrix.org> privacyguides.org/en/desktop

<s​vntr:matrix.org> If he knows enough to have a preference, he wouldn't be here asking us!

<e​ddie:oblak.be> he was asking about migrating a wallet not about the best linux distro 😉

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> The worst is MX Linux.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Shady fuckers over there.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> 2nd worst is Linux Mint.

<s​vntr:matrix.org> If your threat model is high enough to need more than Linux Mint XFCE, you need to use mint to throw misdirection at your attackers. If you just suddenly disapear, the will know something is up and come after you!

<c​ountbleck:matrix.org> what

<c​ountbleck:matrix.org> why Mint specifically

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> If you operating system is connecting to highly questionable ip addresses on a fresh installation that have absolutely nothing to do with the normal functionality of the operating system. You are probably using something with backdoors, monitoring, and other shady shit too.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> It is worth avoiding at all costs.

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> I did not know about this page. Seems easier than creating an offline backup

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> Do I need to back up any files?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You only need to write down your seed on a piece of paper

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> would keep one just in case. If you have the ability to test out your wallet after restoring from a seedphrase that should be enough.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> and block height

<e​ddie:oblak.be> blob5150: getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/Offline_Backup.html

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I meant this: getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/restore_account.html

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> How would I test such a capability out?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I forgot about that. Good catch.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Do you have another computer you can install a wallet to restore from the seedphrase with block height from?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Maybe test it out in a virtual machine?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I have been using GNU/Linux since the early part of the last decade of the last century. If you use anything else you will run into a lot of problems.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Personally I like the idea of virtual machines for managing wallets. Keep things isolated, easy to create a virtual appliance, move into cold storage onto a usb hard drive so you don't have to keep it on your computer.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> just say 1992 or smth 😂

<s​vntr:matrix.org> You will undoubtedly have many problems with Mint, but it's probably your best starting place.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Completely disagree

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Best starting place is one you wont need to switch from

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Could be '92 or '95, don't remember or care!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mint, iirc, forces you to backup and clean install for every major version

<b​asses:matrix.org> obvious the distro im currently using!

<b​asses:matrix.org> obviously*

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> How about this.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> good opportunity to toss it in the trash, but imo better to toss it before installing :D

<b​asses:matrix.org> considered the "best practices"?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Why not ask them what their goals for their computer are and what they value most from their experiences.

<b​asses:matrix.org> not very intuitive tho,

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Fromt there we can provide the best options for their usecase.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> From there we can provide the best options for their usecase.

<b​asses:matrix.org> guys he literally asked a whole different question

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bear practice? Just run a rolling distro, or one that doesnt require me to redo my entire secure setup every 2 yrs

<b​asses:matrix.org> reply if you know then convice him into using Linux later lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt scroll that far

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is a solid option for that.

<b​asses:matrix.org> his question

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I don't kow of forcing a clean install and am pretty sure that is not the case. sudo apt update ... sudo apt dist-upgrade

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The answer: copy and paste the wallet files

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> The only time you want to upgrade to a new major release on an ubuntu based distribution is if you have no other options.

<b​asses:matrix.org> feather wallet gives you instructions in docs but it is kinda scattered

<e​ddie:oblak.be> bro it's debian based...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> To upgrade between major versions of mint?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> ubuntu is based on debian

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> That shit almost always has bugs somewhere if you don't do a clean wipe and reinstall.

<b​asses:matrix.org> idk if Monero GUI/CLI have any docs for that or even docs

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Sometimes shit gets borked too.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I just answred the question, rando

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The answer: copy and paste the wallet files

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Linux Mint now only has debian based? I thought you had the LMDE and regular branches?

I think copying the wallet files ought to be enough between most archs. Try it. Can't hurt.

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> Unfortunately I don't have another computer. I could try a virtual machine, just a matter of me learning how to get one running on windows

<b​asses:matrix.org> isn't it supposed to be in docs.getmonero.org?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> minut, ubuntu, ... it's all ultimately based on debian

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Check out virtualbox.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How to copy and paste a file?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Sovereignty Man Why?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> This would be a good way for you to test drive a bunch of linux distributions to see which one you like best if you haven't already decided too.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Right click -> copy, -> right click -> paste

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Different parts of the branch on the same tree.

<b​asses:matrix.org> distro fight at #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Either way APT can go suck a donkey dick. That package manager blows.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> docs.getmonero.org probably has docs on the key and the cache file, and how to open a wallet. But obv not how to copy/paste

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> Thanks I will.

<b​asses:matrix.org> how to backup

<b​asses:matrix.org> etc

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> The deed is done.

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> So from what I understand, I should have my mnemonic seed, block height, and maybe a backup of all of the files?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Fight me there.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> lol

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Sounds good.

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> What's the key and cache file?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You copy the wallet files to wherever your backup is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When you create a wallet, lets call it "blobwallet". 2 files are created. `blobwallet.keys` and `blobwallet`

<e​ddie:oblak.be> ofrnAI: why would you choose backing up wallet files before restoring from seed?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I have had a lot of problems installing multiple GNU/Linux distros on the same computer. I am pretty sure it is because grub automatically updates on most distros. Do you know how to fix this? I have an extra computer with Red Hat on it and installing multiple Linux distros is one of the projects I would like to do.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some data is not stored on chain, such as recipient addresses and tx notes. these are stored locally in the cache file

<e​ddie:oblak.be> ok, thought so

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I would advise against dual booting unless it is on seperate hard drives. Each distro tends to do things its own way when it comes to configuring grub. Sometimes dual booting works, sometimes it doesn't Resolving the issue is on a case by case basis depending on the distros you have installed.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you install distro1's grub to /dev/sda, then install distro2's grub to /dev/sda, then either one updatinf will overwrite the other.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> choose which distro you want to install grub to /dev/sda, then install the other's grubs to their partitions, like /dev/sda1

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Can I fix it by forcing grub to only update manually?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Making some assumptions on the locations.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes. Just examples

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I really want to figure out how to do it on one drive.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For all other distros, install grub to a different partition.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For the main distro, install it to the drive

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Which combination of distros were you thinking about?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> whatever distros

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Modern computers have so much disk space that I could put dozens or hundreds of distros on even a small drive!

<e​ddie:oblak.be> maybe learn to use 1 distro properly first

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> Ok, so get mnemonic seed, block height, and a backup of the files. I assume when backing up I can just copy and paste? The only thing I am left vague on then is where they all are. I can probably figure out where my wallet is stored, i'm just wondering if the key and cache files are stored with it

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Sweet jesus no.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Depends if you use gui or cli. Gui's are typically located in a Monero/wallets folder. Cli stores the files in the same folder as monero-wallet-cli

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Take it from someone who once had 5 distros on it at once on one drive. One update can bork your shit.

The wallet is basically the keys file and, if it exists, the cache file.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> If you want all the distros. Use virtual machines.

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Sovereignty Man ??? 20 or 30 GB per distro!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive had like 20 distros, and honestly probably still have 15 in my grub

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> You are a madman.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Hands down bonkers.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ty

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> lol

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> If this is just a homelab computer with no monero, or valuable data have at it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some of these distros are on usb sticks, some on external hdd, some on the "main" ssd

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Just know once you start getting into dual booting and more on one hard drive. Things can get messy over time.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Again, this is ONLY if you install grub to the drive repeatedly

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> You only have to get dropped to a grub shell once and deal with trying to repair nonsense from a borked up date for you to realize. Hey maybe I should just use one distro per hard drive.

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> I am using the GUI. So is there anything else/any files that I should back up that is not in the folder you said? Or anything else not already mentioned?

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> You only have to get dropped to a grub shell once and deal with trying to repair nonsense from a borked update for you to realize. Hey maybe I should just use one distro per hard drive.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nope

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just the blob and blob.keys files

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Of course keep a copy of the seed in the event something unthinkable happens

<s​vntr:matrix.org> ofrnAI lol lol I don't want to do this today, but would you be willing to help me? I've been banging my head against this for a few years. Could you help me? Do they have private messages or something here?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yea you can dm me

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Good luck. Godspeed.

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Crazy people

<s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> lol

<b​lob5150:matrix.org> Gotcha, thanks for the help everyone

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Thank you very much!!! I will put your display name in a text file and figure out how to send a dm!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just tap/click on my name and press "message"

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Hi!?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I sent you a dm

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Thanks, I gotta go!

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Uh oh, how do I get back to the main room?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> oh just take the stairs, through the door left

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I already tried that, and just ended up back here.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you couldn't resist the slide couldn't you

<b​asses:matrix.org> u using element?

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix clients fight now please?

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Well, I found the main thread, but it's very skinny, and I can't figure out how to get rid of this one!

<s​vntr:matrix.org> I sent a dm to someone, and it's really skinny, like 7 or 8 characters wide. How do I get rid of it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is the main room

<s​vntr:matrix.org> Hmmm... My normal level of confusion has been raised significantly!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Mission complete