do I buy xmr right now but I cant verify the transaction from my wallet or wait until I can connect to a wifi for syncing the whole thing(behind like 200k blocks how many gigs? 10gb I calculate)

You can buy and send XMR to your wallet anytime. You just wont be able to view its balance until you have reached the block height to where the transaction was made, aka: sync the wallet. Its entirely up to your comfort level. If you are new to cryto, you might sync first, send a small amount second, send the rest third.

<s​herry:unredacted.org> weird url

well which exchanges provide spend key to prove it on Blockchain explorers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> syncing 200k blocks to wallet is much less than 10gb

<b​asses:matrix.org> 1-2gb I think?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Id imagine something like that, yeah

<a​quavox:matrix.org> Hey everyone, just wanted to say I’ve been working on something I think a few of you might actually appreciate.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> It’s called ZENX — a minimal, no-JS, no-KYC crypto swap that doesn’t touch your IP, doesn’t use cookies, doesn’t keep logs, and routes everything through a backend relay for privacy.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> Not trying to hype or overpromise anything — it’s very new, and super lightweight, but designed specifically for people like us. If you’re curious or want to try it, just lmk I’m happy to share it.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> It’s live and usable right now. Just figured I’d drop a line in case anyone here’s been looking for a no-bullshit swap method

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> What's the website that sounds cool

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> I like static websites

<a​quavox:matrix.org> zenx.ink - there's also a .onion version onzwrui2bcou7hh4zawbhvx6rlyphj335wbwvqfi2cv3gzsi4dphpvyd.onion lmk what you think

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Does it accept SOL and ETH?

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> and LTC

<a​quavox:matrix.org> yep, sure does. SOL ETH LTC all fully compatible. Scroll down the token list a bit it's there

<b​asses:matrix.org> how "doesn’t touch your IP"?

<b​asses:matrix.org> "routes everything through a backend relay for privacy" lol, trust me backend. Have you thought of adding a Tor support?

<a​quavox:matrix.org> Good question. ZENX is set up with a backend relay — so when you interact with the site, you're just talking to my own backend server. That backend then makes the actual API requests to the swap services on your behalf.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> So your real IP address never hits the exchange APIs directly. They only ever see mine (from the relay). It’s like a buffer layer between you and them.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> On top of that, the frontend doesn’t load any JS or third-party assets, so there’s zero browser fingerprinting or data leakage while you’re using it. But if you're still concerned, you can use it with a vpn or tor - works the same

<b​asses:matrix.org> is it FOSS btw and can be built from source?

<a​quavox:matrix.org> yes it has tor support onzwrui2bcou7hh4zawbhvx6rlyphj335wbwvqfi2cv3gzsi4dphpvyd.onion

<a​quavox:matrix.org> it's not fully FOSS, i'm scared of people copying what I worked really hard on. But, it's built on python flask and the important parts are open source at github.com/aquavox/zenx/tree/main - if you can read python it's a pretty simple system

<b​asses:matrix.org> aquavox you heard of trocador.app ?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it looks nice, it's indeed similar to trocador's swap service

<b​asses:matrix.org> it is not open source, so you are competing with it

<a​quavox:matrix.org> I have yes. I'm not intending to compete with trocador, they offer exchanges that have more KYC checks that I wont touch for privacy concerns. Also their no-js interface (at least for me) doesn't work terribly well. They're pretty popular so I appreciate the compliment/comparison. By contrast ZENX is 100% no-javascript all the time. Easier that way imo, and safer.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Trocador does also more than just swapping

<e​ddie:oblak.be> And you can't access their website without JS because of the anti DDOS system

<e​ddie:oblak.be> They're still a great service though

<e​ddie:oblak.be> But there's always room for more

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Is anyone familiar with an FX platform that accepts deposits or withdraws in XMR

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> tried a few test swaps (deposit address empty) but

<a​quavox:matrix.org> thank you thank you. Yeah the thinking was if the server runs like a calculator with almost no memory function, no logging, then there's no risk of data being compromised. There's none kept to begin with.

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Like if I wanted to trade commoditiies/ currency pairs/ or crypto

<e​ddie:oblak.be> What is that service that checks if swapsites are legit?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> swapuz is on there kycnot.me/?q=swapuz

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> wizardswap has a 7/10 though

<a​quavox:matrix.org> kycnot.me is a popular one. The team that runs it assures me zenx will be moved to public listing soon kycnot.me/service/zenx

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Oh, I didn't realize kycnotme itself does the audit

<a​quavox:matrix.org> yeah they're a small team. It takes them time to do due diligence. I'm actually excited for them to find some flaw I missed so I can correct it, but so far their report says 100% privacy so I'm rather proud of that.

<b​asses:matrix.org> it is not a security audit, just tests if legit and actually works or not

<b​asses:matrix.org> their privacy meter is AI generated tho

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Except you do all of the swaps on the backend, so you technically have all of the data (wallet addresses, associated ips)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> font file from googleapis could probably be self hosted

<a​quavox:matrix.org> actually something I was considering doing was listing another column for the "select exchange" table with the kycnotme scores . They're all really good services for non-kyc and privacy, but still people mind find that rating system useful.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> that's what I meant, just that its not stealing funds

<a​quavox:matrix.org> that's a good point actually. thank you. may as well.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> that quite basic tbh

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the partial open source made me laugh looking at this hard coded thing github.com/aquavox/zenx/blob/main/app.py

<b​asses:matrix.org> looks like a template code

<b​asses:matrix.org> not a python dev tho

<e​ddie:oblak.be> vibe coded 😉

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> You're absolutely right, and i understand your concern eddie. we're in the process of open sourcing the entire back-end. as we're a small team, it'll take some time so for now the public facing source is just to vaguely tick some 'has source' box.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> the hardcoding is intentional, keeps things clear and minimal. not trying to win a style contest. But if you want to fork it and build a fancy version go for it. I mean, it works, it does what it's designed to do. Admittedly I write code like a textbook but thanks for the feedback

<b​asses:matrix.org> there's no js so everything is processed through their backend, so you can't be hosting a service have no logging.

<b​asses:matrix.org> there's no js so everything is processed through their backend, also you can't be hosting a service have no logging.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> has anyone tried to attempt a swap? i couldnt get a deposit address to show :(

<a​quavox:matrix.org> did you enter a valid receiving address?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I wouldn't take the criticism/advice personal and keep working to make your service better. Saying that it's all privacy and no js but having a link to google fonts in the html template is a bit of a red flag imho

<e​ddie:oblak.be> not saying it is in bad faith

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I support your effort in general to make something nice

<e​ddie:oblak.be> opening your work to public eye is a brave thing to do anyway

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> You're absolutely right. This was meant to be self hosted. im sure you can understand development is fast paced. we overlooked this, and understand your concern, we shall remedy this by self hosting the font file. thank you for your feedback

<a​quavox:matrix.org> that's what I was gonna say lol. Or something to that effect. Thank you plowsof?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Now I am confused, powsof also part of zenx team? 😁

<a​quavox:matrix.org> no, not that I know of

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Now I am confused, plowsof also part of zenx team? 😁

<a​quavox:matrix.org> lmao

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> canned llm responses i can do all day

<a​quavox:matrix.org> I am also confused now but thank you nonetheless

<b​asses:matrix.org> repeat that paragraph like a pirate

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsbot

<a​quavox:matrix.org> but yeah it wont generate a deposit address if there's no receiving address, that way you don't send your money to nowhere. Although there's no way I can think of to validate an incorrect address either - if it's a valid address which exists on the blockchain and you send it there - you're kind of on your own. And it's non-custodial, so while a certain amount of trust is necessary<clipped message>

<a​quavox:matrix.org> with any crypto service - the non-custodial nature means the server has no control over any wallet your crypto goes to and can't rob you. Although admittedly one would just have to accept on good faith that you're not being served a bogus deposit address until I'm ready to go fully open source.

<a​tsamd21:matrix.org> aquavox: Am i missing something or is there no form element around the confirm exchange button? Not working for me either

<a​quavox:matrix.org> did you select an exchange and enter a receiving address? if the form is incomplete it wont create a transaction

<a​tsamd21:matrix.org> Forgot to select but there's no deposit address

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> my issue was receipt address incorrect , the address + qr load then

<a​quavox:matrix.org> yeah like plowsof did please double check that your receiving address is correct and exchange selected. It should "not generate a deposit address" if the form was incorrect. Trying to make sure you don't lose your money

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "certain amount of trust with any crypto service" ahem. Any centralized one*

<a​tsamd21:matrix.org> Yeah seems to work now, had selected wrong crypto

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No trust required for atomic swaps

<a​quavox:matrix.org> also true with decentralized unfortunately. You have to trust the DEX's escrow is good.

<w​ritemarble:matrix.org> You could maybe use grease to create atomic swaps from XMR to Solana possibly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there aint no escrow on basicswapdex

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Escrow is a centralized component of a decentralized network (haveno)

<a​quavox:matrix.org> atomic swaps are cool, there's been some controversy lately with reto/haveno regarding timing correlation and chain analysis.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> haveno/reto isnt atomic

<a​quavox:matrix.org> true ture. should have been a period not a comma sry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the timing analysis is overblown

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the arbitrators nodes have full insight into swaps that have taken place, since they are party to each swap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So that is the #1 privacy issue, probably

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (that a third party knows the value and timing of every swap). The rest about publishing of tx's etc is overblown

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A bigger issue than timing, is a) transparent chains b) centralized payment methods (like cashapp) to known merchants

<a​quavox:matrix.org> maybe. Not sure. Were I an investigator that'd be something I'd keep close tabs on. DEXs are great don't get me wrong. Hoping to integrate some sort of DEX features in the future. But essentially proxying/relaying for non-kyc CEX's isn't terribly bad either, privacy-wise.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it allows you to know all of trades, withdrawal addresses, etc, since you are doing them on my behalf

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> With trocador, they also are proxying iirc.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> If that was coded in yeah. But I have no idea who trades or when or where. No logs.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You dont connect directly to the exchanger

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> With orangefren, its not a proxy but a referral code

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What is your business model?

<a​quavox:matrix.org> purely affiliate. Since I don't charge anything directly. Partly why the rates are so cheap.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trocador and orangefren get a cut of your swap, essentially via referral. if you are doing the same, that means you and the swaps you proxy to have full logs on each swap via their dashboards

<a​quavox:matrix.org> and with truly non-custodial, there's no way for me to charge anyway. The server never touches the user's money

<a​quavox:matrix.org> so a similar or almost same business model as trocador or orangefren. Ok. Open to ideas on how to improve that. But that's not a bad starting point. Also on the dashboards, the exchange will only see that it came from ZENX, not you or who. ZENX itself is a stateless relay. I wouldn't say a full log, just an amount that's visible on the blockchain anyway and that it was routed via <clipped message>

<a​quavox:matrix.org> ZENX. But I admit that is a tradeoff when sourcing 3rd party liquidity.

<a​quavox:matrix.org> I mean trocador and orangefren are pretty highly respected, I feel like it's something of a compliment to be compared to them since it's a similar business model. ZENX's architecture at least removes the browser-level and network-level exposure to the swap providers. That's not nothing. By comparison most DEXs rely on metamask, telemetry wallets, data scraping web interfaces, all <clipped message>

<a​quavox:matrix.org> kinds of nonsense. Sorry for going on so long about abstract definitions, but in way that's part of what an aggregator does, similar to a broker, connects a buyer and seller. ZENX just doesn't give the other party any information other than the amount you need to swap.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Huh? Monero and metamask arent in the same sentence

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trocador is a proxy, like your zenx

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> orangefren is not a proxy, but sends you directly to the swap service w/ a referral link

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> orangefren has a proxy service as well - intercambio.app

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "most dexes" in monero = basicswap, haveno, unstoppableswap = none of these have telemetry, data scraping web interfaces, metamask, or other kinds of nonsense

<a​quavox:matrix.org> oh cool. sry should have been more specific, thank you for the correction. the non-kyc dexs are different than the more mainstream dexes yes. You sound like you program also, very technical knowledge

<b​asses:matrix.org> he works on basicswapdex.com

<a​quavox:matrix.org> ohhhhh😄 ok ok no worries. Yeah felt like I was talking to an expert. Neat

<a​quavox:matrix.org> anyway thank you all, i gotta get back to work on it. Your input has been invaluable and awesome.