<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> of course, the hashrates will be split among programs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can use the GUI's node for gupaxx though

<s​tonekell:matrix.org> can or can't, did you mean?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just go to settings -> node -> daemon startup flags -> and input `--zmq-pub=tcp://127.0.0.1:18083`

<s​tonekell:matrix.org> thanks!

gdf

hello everyone

whats going on with qubic and their attack?

<s​tonekell:matrix.org> Is there a way I can monitor my wallet's realtime status / mining, via terminal?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> question

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> Is running a monero node behind a reverse proxy to offer SSL is really needed?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> or is SSL really needed at all?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> because there is a lot of nodes running without SSL so I wonder if it's even necessary

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero p2p doesnt support ssl

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Only if you run p2pool via terminal

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (i assume youre using gupax)

TLS will protect from passive eavesdroppers

maybe your ISP / PRISM is monitoring your network and correlating monero transactions

generally it's best to encrypt everything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That is possible, but you can use tx-proxy to relay your transactions over an anonymity network

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the P2p ssl pull request needs reviewers

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I mean, the RPC part

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rpc is, by default, in autodetect mode

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> all nodes should support ssl be default

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what i mean is, monerod automatically generates a self-signed cert for use by rpc

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> oh cool

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> That would be so good

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Would remove the need of reverse proxy.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Also it should be the norm to use port 443.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> plowof ctrl alt defeat your tor node

<3​21bob321:monero.social> plowsof

<k​ufecure:xmr.se> so if i run my own node, the p2p traffic is not protected by SSL/TLS, right?

<k​ufecure:xmr.se> Can ISP see the content of the traffic, say, my broadcasting tx?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yeap

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ya

I found an evidence of large scale Monero hashrate renting (not directly, but via private channels): p2pool.io/u/01ed56399ac1d256/Screen…%20from%202025-08-03%2010-55-50.png

<e​longated:matrix.org> Probably scammers

Why scammers? If you have big hashrate, and get paid first, where is the scam?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Did they pay you?

wdym? I'm not a "Monero hashrate beast" :D

<e​longated:matrix.org> So how do you know you will get paid lol, that guy is spamming every where

First money, then hashrate?

<s​herry:unredacted.org> do we have price bot?

<b​asses:matrix.org> price

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, iirc

<e​longated:matrix.org> Their spam message doesn’t convey that, unless you had a direct talk with them and know their terms.

<e​longated:matrix.org> 1 xmr = 1 xmr

<s​herry:unredacted.org> 1 xmr = 1 xmr

<s​herry:unredacted.org> useful!

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof

👍

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Hello anyone using AI for coding or for understanding monero. What things do you recommend to explore AI agents ?

not touch this sht and learn to code yourself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I like ofrnAI

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> How do u use it ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hi

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Are you really an AI, 😄

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I am a human asissted LLM, yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> assisted* -_-

<s​herry:unredacted.org> hello, I am a human.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hi, me too. Good morning

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> em,"sender": "@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx"

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> ofrnAI: Who is bigger,9.11 and 9.9

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats the correct handle

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Size doesn't matter.. unless were talking about the size of your block 😉

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Yeah,What about your deep thinking process?

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> moneroconsensus.info

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Yeah,What about your deep thinking process?----END

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> wouldn't it be cool to fork Kaspa-ng (Block DAG tab) visualistation and make a Monero Block visualisation? want

<m​ilas900:matrix.org> Guys just explain to me what is AI crew and if there is something interesting to try to learn

<s​herry:unredacted.org> I'm learning human behavior

<s​herry:unredacted.org> it's little difficult

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "do we have a price bot" absolutely zero price talk in #monero is the norm passed down from our ancestors, not sure why people have forgot this 💢

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sherry i can't accept the PM invite to "Failed to join" error, sorry

<s​herry:unredacted.org> idk maybe they like me dont know this at all lol

<s​herry:unredacted.org> np, just my opreation mistake :)

is this a good channel to talk about the internals of XMRig?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably #monero-pow

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ibb.co/gM7v5p8s - nonkyc.io blocked in france for violating kyc law (hashvault discord)

use tor

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Just curious, anyone buying the claim that an XMRig guy went on to DDOS qubic pools?

<k​owalabearhugs_:monero.social> What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence

Oh my god :D I had the weirdest idea, which is utterly bonkers, and yet might be the best way to prevent a 51% attack :D Get a local LLM to determinisitically (from chain state) decide what is the longest chain.

yo yo everyone

Someone is bound to do this.

i'll pay you $12 million dollars

<e​ddie:oblak.be> lol

if you could manipulate the LLM

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it's Qubic that's training the AI LOL

<e​ddie:oblak.be> also would like to see people's opinions on this thread : nitter.net/the_smart_ape/status/1950833481883500554#m

<e​ddie:oblak.be> My first thought is, he's going to cry later he sold all his monero because you can't buy drugs with qubic 😂

<e​longated:matrix.org> Shitcoiner will post anything if he is paid in any token

he's gonna cry even harder when the value goes down in a cliff

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Is he known? I'm not so much a twitter user..

<e​longated:matrix.org> No

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I wonder what he means with FDV?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Of course block rewards are lower in XMR than BTC, but XMR hardware is so much cheaper

block rewards are higher in BTC, when you don't count the fact you need millions of dollars worth of ASICs

to even get one block

<e​longated:matrix.org> FDV = Current Price × Total (or Max) Supply

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Oh ok, that stands for "fully diluted value" then?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Allright, thanks

i bet this will be a nothingburger in a year

just like any shitcoins

people will forget qubic existed

<e​longated:matrix.org> Scammer needs to dump his coins

infact, qubic feels like a pyramid scheme

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Sure but I kind of agree this is the "weakness" of XMR, for a rich party (qubic or else) with only the incentive to "destroy" the network without other financial incentive, could relatively cheaply buy the network

people mining XMR for the one who controls the network

and to be given literal monopoly money

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Yeah, I don't dispute in this case it are the miner that are probably getting scammed

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I understand that a miner goes where the profit is highest, but I would also expect that miners think a little bit long term?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> If they help to "destroy" XMR, then qubic just crumbles because what comes after? then the miners are left with nothing in the end

<e​ddie:oblak.be> so why bother with qubic in the first place 🤔

exactly

it's a shitcoin with BS shit like "UPoW"

<e​longated:matrix.org> Dump those cubic tokens as they get paid, doubt there is enough liquidity

can you guys bet when qubic will drop and die off

like a month?

a day?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> That'd be a fun idea

<e​longated:matrix.org> October

<e​ddie:oblak.be> start a betting game on when qubic fails

<e​ddie:oblak.be> winner takes all

whenever they get all the investors that they can for their "AI" venture

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I also don't buy that shit, just like this AGI

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I also saw that gate dot io is now listing qubic

<e​ddie:oblak.be> that's a scam cex anyways but

several years ago a drink company changes their name to include blockchain which immediately increased the price of their stock

now it's AI

even ofrn added AI to their name :D

<e​ddie:oblak.be> It's crazy indeed. Would be an interesting bet too to predict when that bubble bursts

nAIoc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I had to

:)

i'll be honest

i doubt the creators of qubic even care about the token or monero's global hashrate

they're just doing a next-level rugpull where they get away with all the monero block rewards that dumbasses mined for them

their token is barely worth jack shit

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Do they get the value of XMR block reward in Qubic? Or is it like "you mined 0.6 xmr, you get 0.6 qubic"?

0.6 qubic would be laughable

that's like more than 200 million times less value

i bet qubic's creators don't even care about the 51% attack shit

they're just doing that for publicity

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Oh, it seems you need 1.2 billion qubic for 1 xmr

they're laughing their way out of their monero wallets with this lol

and all the miners that mined for them will get nothing in exchange

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I wonder what the outlets will say, after publishing everywhere qubic was going to 51% yesterday

<e​ddie:oblak.be> which obviously didn't happen

"w-we're totally gonna go 51%, believe us

they made me turn on my miners during the summer :(

Cat has no use for them now

i wanted to make a concept for an automated mining cluster program

and was learning about TFTP and network booting for it

anyone got ideas related to this?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> ye, I am thinking about solar mining, where you auto-start mining only when there's excess production ..

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I used to use wake-on-lan for on-prem backup servers that I didn't want to keep running 24/7 ..

oh yeah wake-on-lan and network booting are both super useful

honestly i don't feel like imaging a ton of hard drives sooo

plug-and-play? :P

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you don't need much disk for a mining rig do you?

nah

<e​ddie:oblak.be> You could maybe leverage clonezilla and network boot for imaging machines as they power on. Never tried it myself, but it should be possible

there's a faster way

i could just download the filesystem to RAM and load it off that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Imajin not be able to clone partition over the network with 4MB of ram (total)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/IszFVEiPySbPvWwHkpfHTjiP

so it doesn't have to touch the drive at all

i'll have to make the image as light as possible

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But I guess clonezilla is nice, because of that PXE support, can be practical, even if hyperbloated

what about downloading and booting the filesystem off RAM?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can you boot an actual system image with clonezilla? I was sure it was to load clonezilla iteself...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But yeah, one could probably make a light pxe bootable kernel that then mount a nfs mounting point from nfs and start to mine from that (or just stuff everything int the initrd)

yeah, that's better

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> PXE, kernel + initrd, make an initrd with sh and xmrig

i could even make a miner ID for each machine by hashing the MAC address and PXE information (obtained from the TFTP request)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> YEah, exactly, you can give different kernel/initrd based on the the mac

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> oh I love that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/HMfrDQsZnqnNXHZTPJZCiqAY

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> there was a ccs for that — soloptxmr

i wanna make it as easy as just like

plugging an ethernet cable and turning on the machine without a hard drive attached

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, I never used that soloptxmr

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I just floor all my rig when I boot considering I overproduce massively (battery go 100% at 11am)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Learn to do the PXE thing, it's quite easy once you got it figured out.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> You have to use some DHCP option to point to your tftp server and just stuff the kernel and initrd there, plus I cfg file, I think. Last time I did that was like 18 years ago

yeah that means i have to turn off my router's DHCP server :P

and host a DHCP server on the same server that hosts other stuff too

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> or reconfigure it and just "restart it"

<e​ddie:oblak.be> cool, you have the link somewhere?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> you just have to set the dhcp server so it provide the ip of the tftp server, I think

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR

<e​ddie:oblak.be> thanks, very nice

routers don't provide an option to reconfigure their DHCP server

it's like pihole

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can you set dhcp options?

no

you have to disable the router's DHCP server completely

and host your own

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> if no then you have to nuke that cheap DHCP server and spin up a new dhcp server

i wanted to make a program dedicated to this though :P

dedicated to all this

easy-to-run automated cluster of miners

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's going to be more work.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Just make your program but set the dhcp using dhcpd or something

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> anyway it's just one option you have to set, I think

yeah

Booting over network for the advanced weekend gamer is another option

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> then set your miner to boot on pxe and the normal pc to boot from ssd or something

pihole does this btw, like if you can't set the DNS server

pihole hosts a DHCP server

that sets the DNS server

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Any dhcp server for adult do that

ideally it shouldn't touch the hard drive so it would be easy to set-up on existing computers

The pi would provide the machines ip's and tell em what os they are to download and boot from , 1 ethernet plug in away from mining

so pxe is good

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah if you setup pxe and just feed an initrd with mining shit you won't need hdd

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I don't even understand why you want to set it with mac to feed different images

Youd want to have control over the systems so that ansible thing too (updates and such)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> as you can just set it up with p2pool with automatic difficulty

so i could have a dashboard?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> so all miner image can be exactly the same plus or less

and track each machine?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh, I see

if it's all the same image, there's no tracking

i need to be able to shutdown each machine easily

or wake them up

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> you could make it so each client get an static ip

Sleep/wale on lan

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and reconize the miners from it's ip?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> probably better than making a kernel+initrd combo for each miners

oh well that seems better

plowsof: i'm aware of sleep/wake on lan

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> just connect everything to one breaker

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And set each machine to "boot when AC is restored", from the BIOS

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> because they don't have hard drive you can just turn breaker off and on as needed

honestly i wish BIOSes could fallback to hard drive when it can't connect to the server

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> then stuff hard drive in them

so that you could mine at night, and regular stuff at day

like in a cyber cafe

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and set boot sequence to "1 - Network", "2 - hdd"

oh i never thought that they actually do that

all my time they always just hang on the screen

with a network error

<e​ddie:oblak.be> maybe because you didn't set a fallback?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If you have an onboard card it should exit the boot prom and switch to next in sequence

I'm pretty sure that if you mined on a cyber cafe's rigs, you'd swiftly get banned from there.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> The cyber café operator should give consent ofc

BlueyHealer: nah

i'm not talking about mining on the cyber cafe's rigs

i meant if the operator wanted to

obviously i'm not gonna drag in a whole server and fuck with their router :P

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Mine when the cyber is closed, could be a nice way yeah

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Mine xmr with the CPU and whatever trash of the day with the GPU

<e​ddie:oblak.be> That could be about any service business theses days

yeah exactly

<e​ddie:oblak.be> All these administrative centers have loads of CPU's turned of at night

mine at night, and then when it's daytime/opening, automatically shut down the TFTP server and shut down all the computers

Pretty much all the gaming clubs I see are open 24/7. There are people coming there to game all night.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Depend of the ciber and if there gaming one

There are even often special plans for nighttime bundles)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Local cibers here close at like 9pm or 10...

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Makes sense, some people work during the day 😂

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> they have shit PC that can't game

What even is a cyber cafe nowadays if not a gaming club? It's not the 2000s anymore.

honestly like, take advantage of the amount of CPUs just laying there at night not being powered

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> You live in the first world

I don't.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Here there still plentiful

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> with shit computer

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and people actually go there

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> People have phone, no computer, most of them

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> if they have a computer they have a "chromebook class laptop with windows"

Oh, you mean actual internet cafes? Interesting! Here we have a ton of gaming clubs because people can't afford gaming PCs, but not just "internet cafes" with weak computers.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They also have printing and copy service, there quite popular

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> We also have gaming clubs but there using consoles instead of PC 🥲

lol, gaming clubs

you mean the ones with the modded consoles?

Having class computers is kinda unthinkable to me. I don't think most schools can afford that. And if they could, they'd get stolen.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I mean like Cyber cafe for games but with consoles

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Because consoles are cheaper than PC

yes i know those

Yeah, there are often consoles there too, but usually as secondary options.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I don't know if there modded, I don't go there lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I miss actual lan party with friend

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> friends**

PCs are dominant here. I guess because you buy a computer for daily tasks anyway, and people can't afford a device that's just for gaming. Also the fact that piracy is much harder there.

Whatever you save on hardware you'd lose on having to actually buy games

i know a lot of gaming clubs, and most of them have modded consoles... mostly to pirate games

like modded PS4s

Cindy | you mean the ones with the modded consoles? <- Not sure how common modded consoles are! but I've seen pirated games on their PCs.

One even marks "this is pirated" XD

<e​ddie:oblak.be> How much PC's are you talking for 1 cyber cafe on average?

20 to 30?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They also have printing and copy service, there quite popular <- Never seen them in those places! Those are usually in dedicated copycenters.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Local one have often like 2 to 8 it's variable

Cindy, probably, really depends.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> papeleria often have like 1-2 PC

wow

The one I went to had more than 20 for sure.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> When I was in the first world, we had gaming Cybers with like 20 or so

of course, the cyber cafes here close down for the night

the operator isn't gonna sit there 24/7 lol

<e​ddie:oblak.be> So why not aiming for larger service businesses, like a callcenter

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but it's different down south

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you could have 100 + pc's at once

i mean sure

this should work for clusters of any size

i tried to come up with a UI for this by modifying gupax

i started by gutting the update component, which was easy

but then when i tried gutting the p2pool part (because i wanted it to be hosted on the main server)

.... not so easy

i'll have to make one from scratch

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> huh, just one share on p2pool doesn't get any payout?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> depend

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If you find a share in p2pool sidechain, you will get payout for each xmr block found in the window

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/EFcIJbEziNLOgPxKKROJQmPg

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> That's the window

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> if p2pool user find a block while you have stuff in there, you get paid

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> the more digit you have in that buffer, the more you get paid when p2pool users find a block

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Block reward share tell you how much % you get wen a p2pool user find a block

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> that's the % of 0.6XMR+fee you get if someone fine a block

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> hmm, i no longer have those logs, it showed one share and had a estimated payout on the mini.p2pool.observer , maybe needed more ig

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> if you have p2pool open, you can type "status"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> with show the right now of course

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> or you can get the p2pool log file, by default in the same folder you run p2pool from

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But yeah, if you get a share in the sidechain it does not mean you are going to get a payout. Of no one fine an actual xmr block in that window then you won't get paid

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If no one find***

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> oh, i see, could have been the case i guess

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> the shares(?) on xmrig are kinda meaningless?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The share of xmrig, are just amount of work completed, it does not mean you did find a block.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> You have to monitor the p2pool side to see what sideside block you got

i don't really wnat to host p2pool and xmrig at the same time on the workers

considering that p2pool also needs memory for its RandomX algorithm

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I host xmrig on the node

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> oups

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I host p2pool on the node

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and point the miners to that

and by offloading that to the same server that hosts the TFTP and DHCP server, i could save a ton of memory

yeah

memory really matters for RandomX

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ideally you want huge pages afaik

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and you need something like 3gb

plus memory for the filesystem (loaded into RAM)

and memory for everything else about the system :P

which is why i need to slim down the image as much as i can

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, should not be too much if you just stuff static compiled xmrig in the initrd

i need to make a program that provides a simple dashboard on the worker (just ncurses, and also an API that the main/master server will interact with to shut down the computer or do whatever)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> have fun

thanks :)