<l​etscage.com:matrix.org> what's going on with Google's wallet ?

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> Hi, is there a way to sweep an entire wallet across ALL subaddresses?

that makes no sense

it doesn't matter how many subaddresses you have, it'll sweep up all the amount

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> Cindy_: Well for some reason sweep_all hasn't been churning my entire balance, only some of it.

huh

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> Any ideas?

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> Cindy_: ahh sweep_all index=all did the trick.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, it is like that due to privacy issues when spending from multiple subaddresses

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> Well, I was sending to myself in churn, so that's a legit OPSEC strategy, is it not?

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> Well, I was sending to myself in a churn, so that's a legit OPSEC strategy, is it not?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if you received xmr from

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Non kyc exchange a

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dnm b

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kyc exchange c

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And the kyc exchange is is working with the feds from dnm b, they can see that you combined your outputs from both sources

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> Luckily I didn't use KYC

<s​bt:nope.chat> how did you sign up over tor?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I didn't signed up over tor

<3​21bob321:monero.social> through msn

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> huh, with haveno doing sepa/revolut isn't it basically havigng KYC? or there's a way to do it anonymously?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> transactions from or to human bank account aren't considered to be part of KYC, as it is legally defined

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a bank do not ask for the ID card of the person you wanna send money to

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> well, but the receiver gets the name of who sends. Also, i guess it can be an honeypot?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> *the full name

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes fiat transactions aren't anonymous, doesn't have receiver and sender privacy, thats why monero exist. KYC isn't the opposite of anonymous, KYC means that the third-party must authenticate you and your legal identity, which reto doesn't. So informations shared end to end between the only two parties are not "KYC".

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I could stretch as far as to say that most SEPA xmr buyer are not asking you to send them your ID card

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so you could have fake bank account and it would be perfectly fine

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which KYC has been designed to prevent

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> i see (i would ask how you would even get a fake bank account but guess that's out of the scope of this channel xD)

<e​ddie:oblak.be> different ways

<e​ddie:oblak.be> :D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Someone make a presentation at monerokon 2025 about anonymous fiat off-ramp, i forgot his youtube channel but he explained it very well

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> someone made*

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Crooked bank employees do exist.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> There's also a very nice story of a guy who hacked himself into a financial institution an he could create his own valid credit cards in whatever name

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> really not that hard to mistype a kyc file

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

<e​ddie:oblak.be> he had access for couple of years, and would sell the CC's to his maffia style uncle

<e​ddie:oblak.be> not saying you should try this at home 😁

<e​ddie:oblak.be> on a serious note, would there be value in offering hosted p2pool nodes, or is this crazy talk?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> p2pool in itself is lightweight and latency is important for mining so ngl I wouldn't see a lot of values in paying a remote one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but that's just my knowledge limited opinion

<e​ddie:oblak.be> what if it was free 😬

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> DO IT

anyone know where to keep up with the latest on the 51% attack thing? will monero be updated to resist this kind of takeover?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Yes, Monero is definitely getting an update of some kind. What sort of update is still being determined.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Guest16, there are no official announcement yet because the actions to be taken has not been agreed upon yet. You can check libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20250813 for logs of yesterday MRL meeting

<t​orir:matrix.org> There have been a lot of proposals but finding a solution that fits with Monero's principles is challenging.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and generally can hang out in the channels to see discussions tho you're gonna get bored very quick a lot of people are repeating the same points

yeah thanks, just want to know where to keep up with the latest goings on

which channel are these discussions in?

monero-dev?

oh can see from your link cheers

<s​bt:nope.chat> [@syntheticbird:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@syntheticbird:monero.social) is the codebase of cuprate easy to understand?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If you are familiar with Rust yes it is, there are decent documentation everywhere and a lot of lints are enforced for clarity.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If you have questions you can always ask them over #cuprate:monero.social

<s​bt:nope.chat> Thanks. I mostly work with Go. Trying to get familiar with Rust.

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Is there any consensus on increasing the fees? Considering 25k transaction a day and a minumum fee of 0.01 Monero we would instantly add + 40% to the budget.

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Do you really think people using Monero care about paying 2$ a transaction?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you'd have to be a racist to propose such a thing

<t​esttank:matrix.org> I mean honestly what’s wrong with this idea?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> imagine paying 20% on a $10 transfer

<t​esttank:matrix.org> I Guess it would also be easy & fast to implement and could easily be Rolex back

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> With such a high % of the supply

<t​orir:matrix.org> I do care about paying 2$ fees on transactions. A lot. I make many transactions that are <10$.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> that centralizes the supply very quickly

<t​esttank:matrix.org> It’s not that tragic come on

<t​orir:matrix.org> Also it makes p2pool impossible since the fees would be too high to consolidate outputs.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its horrific

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The fees are 50x greater than the p2pool payouts lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> id you want those fees, you can try wownero

<t​esttank:matrix.org> So you guys are against any type of proposal that would increase fees? the 0.01 number was just an idea

<t​orir:matrix.org> Low fees are critical to Monero's usecase of being currency.

<e​longated:matrix.org> How is it looking on fcmp+++ side ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And they are already comparatively high

<e​longated:matrix.org> How is it looking on fcmp++ side ?

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Imo increasing the security budget is more critical

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My testnet is pre-tail emission, so fees are higher. Much higher. Like 0.07xmr on lvl2, 0.2xmr on lvl 3 and like.. 1+xmr on lvl 4

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Increasing fee just centralizes and syphons the supply

<e​longated:matrix.org> Wow

<t​orir:matrix.org> Increasing fees drives people from the coin to lower fee coins, makes it less useful as currency, and I actually don't know myself of any centralization effects it might have (anyone have a paper on this) but that sounds plausible too.

<h​bs:matrix.org> Am I developing Alzheimer's disease or are there so many new users suddenly?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fees on a block are like 170xmr :D

<t​orir:matrix.org> hbs: Network attacks make people suddenly interested in the best place to hear about potential network upgrades.

<t​esttank:matrix.org> You think people use Monero becouse of the low fees?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Last block, including emission, 12.5mb and 238xmr

<t​orir:matrix.org> The fees are lower than Bitcoin. They aren't low, certainly, but they are low enough that I can tip someone a small donation and not worry that they will lose all of it to fees trying to spend it.

hbs we recently had a successful marketing campaign

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why cant it be both, hbs

<t​orir:matrix.org> nioc: You a politician or work in a company's PR department? That's good spin.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They are higher than btc. Btc min relay is 0.00001btc per kb. Xmr is 0.00002

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And thats the no-scaling / unimportant fee tier. is 0.00008 for "normal" fees

<t​orir:matrix.org> I can pay min fee on Monero and expect it to make it into a block reasonably soon. I can't make a payment with Bitcoin without needing to add $2 to make the one hour payment window.

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> Gm

torir luckily no :D

<t​orir:matrix.org> The one hour payment window most payment processors have.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, you pay min fee and there are 1mb of txs in the pool, you might not be mined for 72hrs, if at all

<h​bs:matrix.org> 🤔

<e​ddie:oblak.be> also yes

<t​orir:matrix.org> BTC average fee is much higher than XMR: bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-xmr.html

<t​orir:matrix.org> To be honest, no. But if the fees were at Bitcoin's level the coin would be unusable for me.

<s​bt:nope.chat> Absolutely. And it's also a good selling point for businesses. They pay 2-3% to payment processors plus some % of the goods value. With monero, it's almost nothing.

<t​orir:matrix.org> I know I started avoiding Bitcoin because Bitcoin fees are much too high. I tolerate XMR's fees because the privacy features are good for the price.

<s​bt:nope.chat> There's also litecoin, which is also fast and almost no fees but public block ofc.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> If a coin has great privacy features but the fees are so high I can't buy a simple coffee with it I will stop using it

<s​bt:nope.chat> Same

<t​orir:matrix.org> That's about my limit as well.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Litecoin has privacy features now, by the way, but they are opt-in so the privacy set is too small to be usable.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> monero is not just attractive because privacy, but also because it's very accessible and has a low barrier of entry for most people

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> In USD. Not in % of supply

<s​bt:nope.chat> An average banking joe would still have a hard time using monero.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> yeah I agree the UX is still difficult

<s​bt:nope.chat> Also the overwhelming amount of freedom.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but that's a matter of working on clients that are easy for avg joe to use

<t​orir:matrix.org> ofrnAI: Yes. At the present time the fees are not sustainable if Monero becomes more popular, I am aware of that. I just hope we will hardfork to fix scalability before that day comes.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Every privacy coin has trade-offs, at the present time Monero has the best ones for me.

<s​bt:nope.chat> Most people want someone, like a bank, to manage their money. They don't wanna become their own bank.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nono, lets raise fees to 0.01xmr and require a hard fork to reenable usabiity if price goes to 3000

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> /s

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> Currently the recommended transaction fee on a wallet like Cake is 0.03 USD. If we raise the minimum rate by 10x so that comes out to 0.30 USD / 0.0012 XMR- would that be that big of a hit for user experience? Benefits being increased security budget, more incentives for new miners to join the fold which would lead to a stronger PoW mechanism

<s​bt:nope.chat> The price would hardly ever go above 400. And that's good. If it goes way too up, it can go way too down.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cakes estimates are fske

<s​bt:nope.chat> A 5x would still be a good tradeoff.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The real monero fee is about 0.00001xmr per input (per 500bytes)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can use "normal" fees, which are 4x

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> With volume of txs, monero wallets automatically switch to "normal"

<s​bt:nope.chat> Then what's the issue?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why are fees low-low? Because tx volume isnt enough to fill blocks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Want fees to increase 4x? Increase tx volume

<t​orir:matrix.org> Black marble attack?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What about it?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Anyone who hates Monero who we could convince to fund one?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> during spam, yes, fees increase to abt 0.00012xmr unless you manually set your fee lvl to "unimportant"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Amd 0.00012 is high imo. This is the real "normal" fee. I wouldnt want to pay more than that for a 1in tx

<t​orir:matrix.org> For those who don't know what a black marble attack is, it is where you spam thousands of transactions on the network. Since you have so many, your transactions are likely to be picked as decoys, allowing you to detect some percent of decoys and reduce effective ring size. An unknown attacker tried the attack against the network some time ago, but it is an expensive attack to keep<clipped message>

<t​orir:matrix.org> up. FCMP++ mitigates the attack completely.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Though.. for fcmps, i think we might want to double the base fee from 0.00001 to 0.00002 per input. This lowers the cost per byte on low-input txs, but raises the cost per byte om high-input

<t​orir:matrix.org> The best way to calculate fees for FCMP is still an ongoing discussion.

<t​orir:matrix.org> I haven't looked into it much myself.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its ongoing, sure, maybe need to finish spreadsheet that charts pre and post fcmp fees per byte and per input

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> currently, w/o changes, an fcmp 1in-2out is ~5x fee on unimportant

<t​orir:matrix.org> I haven't been paying much attention to who is who, have you been doing the fee stuff?

<t​esttank:matrix.org> That’s just plain wrong, Monero is probably one the least accessibile crypto to everyday people. It’s delisted from 95% of exchanges.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Low barrier of entry in every way except purchasing any.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Oh, and the bad UX of the 10 block lock.

<t​orir:matrix.org> I've found Monero is very easy to trade for from another coin, so being delisted from exchanges doesn't really mean much.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Articmine - i just just test and give feedback

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Yes but unfortunately that’s the most important one, that’s why I think Serai it’s even more important to Monero ecosystem than FCMP++

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I didn't mean it in that way. The fact that has cheap fees, fast and you are able to mine it on cheap hardware makes it accessible to everyone who does an effort to learn about it

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you don't need a CEX to aqcuire it ....

<e​ddie:oblak.be> from a UX standpoint it is not there yet, I admit that, but that's another discussion I think

<t​orir:matrix.org> Monero having a minimal learning curve might be a good thing, since privacy is a complex topic that is often misunderstood and people jumping into using a privacy tool without learning about it make stupid mistakes. Yet... it would still be better if it were easier to adopt.

<t​orir:matrix.org> minimum learning curve*

<t​orir:matrix.org> On the other hand, privacy should be "by default" and the average person shouldn't actually have to think about it too much, their tools should provide a sensible baseline of privacy. Which is why Signal exists. (And SimpleX and all the others). So Monero should be easy enough that people can just download and use it without putting thought into it.

<t​orir:matrix.org> We just need enough messaging to tell people that Monero doesn't magically make you private if you make mistakes, the same types of warnings that Tor browser has.

<t​esttank:matrix.org> But even to swap from BTC -> XMR there aren’t that many seamless options, atomic swaps are very low liquidity, retoswap the user experience is a nightmare, and if you use instant swap provider you have to hope they don’t hold you transaction and ask you to do KYC plus they’ll probably be forced to delist Monero in the not so distant future.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> All valid concerns but these obstacles are not solved by changing monero itself

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Yeah it’s the ecosystem around it that has to improve

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Long term the fact it was forced out from all centralized option will be a net positive but right now we gotta suffer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How low is "low"?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or, how high is good enough?

<t​orir:matrix.org> BasicSwap has options for up to ~4 XMR in some pairs, but there are few people posting offers right now and most have relatively high fees of 4-10%.

<t​orir:matrix.org> BasicSwap's real challenge is the difficulty of setup in my opinion. Currently you need to fully sync full nodes for both coins you wish to trade.

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Imo anything below 200 BTC

<t​esttank:matrix.org> But i think it’ll get there i read about the future plans of EigenWallet and it seems very promising

<t​esttank:matrix.org> But i think it’ll get there, i read about the future plans of EigenWallet and it seems very promising

<t​orir:matrix.org> testo01: If you can't buy a house with the % fee the maker gets from the trade it's not enough liquidity?

<t​esttank:matrix.org> The more liquidity and offers there are the less the fees will be. That’s economics 1.0

<u​ju:riot.anarchyplanet.org> Research on the attempted 51% raid

<u​ju:riot.anarchyplanet.org> xcancel.com/DesheShai/status/1956001181546709005#m

why is this person shilling for relaxing the algorithm

i disagree with their conclusion

<u​ju:riot.anarchyplanet.org> Same

"i think requiring you get some rig from like 6 companies is a good way to secure the network"

"oh don't worry about what backdoors could exist in the silicon, you'll never knoooow"

<u​ju:riot.anarchyplanet.org> The reasoning behind is, that with current algorithm it's easier to rent server farm.

<u​ju:riot.anarchyplanet.org> ...but then also what you said.

monero will become a slave to the ASIC companies

if we decide to make the algorithm ASIC-friendly

uju: yeah that's true

rented hashpower is a problem

but you're losing more money than you're earning by renting

which wouldn't be good for something like Qubic

<s​bt:nope.chat> Probably a three letter paid shill.

but making the algo ASIC-friendly would be suicide for monero's principles, it costs like more than a million dollars to make your ASIC

which would mean ONLY big companies can actually make mining equipment

and well, good luck verifying if they didn't put something in

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bitmain would make an asic on day 7, and then hide it from the public for 365 days

lol

then they'd get the majority of hashrate in monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They already did that

or help agencies crack monero using the ASICs

they did?

was it back in the cryptonight days?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, thats why we randomx'd

ah i see

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They were asic mining monero in secret

that is literally more reason to not go ASIC-friendly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They sold the used asics to the public after the hard fork

because ASIC companies would be total dicks and do their own 51% attacks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They also had their randomx "asic" (the x5) that they used in secret, then sold to the used ones to the public because they were trash

and oh, nobody in the community is gonna fundraise fucking 5 million dollars or so to make their own ASIC to combat bitmain or whatever

LOL randomX asic

don't they mean a CPU?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, it was, iirc, 6 riscv cpus stuffed in a box

no wonder they sold it, must have had the performance of a i486

wow 6 riscV cpus

not even ASICs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, it was just a cpu rig with many cpus in it, packaged to look like an asic, and would only mine xmr

i'm convinced that tweet is 50% truth and 50% ASIC comapnies trying to FUD their way into relaxing XMR's algorithm

no, giant companies (who already have their own ASIC R&D department, and the costs are a drop in the bucket for them) aren't gonna save XMR

dumb poster

<e​longated:matrix.org> Nobody is going asic friendly

honestly, if we go ASIC PoW, we might aswell go full PoS because that'll be more or less the same thing but except you don't have to go through the cabal of ASIC companies

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> Imo definitely cant let ASICs in and no full PoS - that would be terrible. What makes the most sense is improving centralization resistance of the existing PoW system, leave PoW for block production, and employ PoS for finality to mitigate PoW attack vectors

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> Imo definitely cant let ASICs in and no full PoS - that would be terrible. What makes the most sense is improving centralization resistance of the existing PoW system, use PoW for block production, and employ PoS for block finality to mitigate PoW attack vectors

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ODVAwEkOaMWDHxEOgpOHRMbg

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> should i kms

pls attachment for IRC users

redsh4de: what about rich people for PoS in block finality

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> We are facing the same issues with PoW right now. We cannot completely prevent pools from being either rich in hashrate, or validators rich in XMR. In theory could employ some kind of cap and per entity limit, but then Sybil resistance has to come into play and thats a whole another can of worms

ofrnxmr has the idea of PoPoW

proof of PoW

which is a proof of stake system where validators can only get stakes from blocks they mine

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> cindy: hashvault monero chat, as usual. accessible with no login at monero.hashvault.pro

17lifers: what

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> i-i-is xmr ded? 🥺

"accessible with no login"

the discord mirror blocks tor exit nodes

"i-i-is xmr ded?" still works

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> its all my fault... i didnt xmrig hard enough ;-;

is this a care crisis?

what are you talking about

<a​rpanetangel:matrix.org> Hi everyone

<a​rpanetangel:matrix.org> Helloooooooo

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> heyy

monero will never die

hey hey my my

hey hey hey

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> cindy i hope thats true :c

monero is a bunch of code

which can be improved, forked

<l​za_menace:monero.social> this doesn't make sense - my understanding is that pool hashrate added up matches network hashrate. how could it exceed unless qubic is overreporting/presenting fake numbers?

<l​za_menace:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/ISnOtDdreWMwKmsEXIurTQcl

<e​longated:matrix.org> They used to report fake hashrate

<l​za_menace:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/QkEqdMqwWjvspJAvgwqjnFVg

you really think someone would do that?

just go on the internet and tell lies?

<l​za_menace:monero.social> lol

<l​za_menace:monero.social> whole thing is pretty crazy. adversarial entity sets up mining pool which provides exaggerated numbers, posts about the false claims, garners support from a small community to contribute to FUD campaigns, employs bots to spam threads, coordinates press releases with news groups and social influencers.

<b​oog900:monero.social> Network is probably based off the current difficulty so it'll take time to adjust

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> What is the other instance of moneroconsensus.info ?

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Does anybody have the link?

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Fun fact, over the last 20 days XMR went down in price 17/20, that has to be some kind of record 😪

not even close

<l​za_menace:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/dMGyLcsortnfYdNPMeTdutQM

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Looks still good, now we will another 2 years of sideways movement ahahah

<e​longated:matrix.org> Dip n sideways for 3yrs

<l​za_menace:monero.social> got it, so it's more nuanced than just doing the math, gotta let difficulty adjust over hours/days to know fully

<l​za_menace:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/rDhzEwOLAqVjochKspvNlNkT

<e​longated:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/YoAcJVEaXzBPfwkwhvqqlEMz

<e​ddie:oblak.be> qubic pool api back online ..

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Also, supportxmr hashrate dropped by ~ 300MH/s

<e​ddie:oblak.be> according to mininpoolstats qubic has 43% of the hashrate

<l​za_menace:monero.social> *according to qubic

<e​ddie:oblak.be> no according to miningpoolstat

<e​ddie:oblak.be> unless qubic can report whatever to them

uhh, they can

it's just an API

<e​ddie:oblak.be> according the jetskipool they have 58% of the network

<e​ddie:oblak.be> according to miningpoolstats they have 45% atm

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I wonder where that bunch of supportxmr hashrate went ...

<e​longated:matrix.org> Cubic ?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if we all chip in 50 usd for miningrigrentals, now's the time 😅

just go to your local e-waste

and gather up all the computers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> possibly as i hypothesised - that qubic was hiding some hashrate on other pools

i mean like, surely there's a ton of discarded computers after microsoft announced the system requirements for windows 11

<e​ddie:oblak.be> wouldn't be surprised, all is fair in war

gotta catch all the dumpster computers and start mining

<e​ddie:oblak.be> fact that they are publishing there api again, they want to play the "endgame" today?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> i should've swapped for ltc not btc FML 🤦‍♂️

eddie: it' for attention lol

the guy just wants more fuel for his FUD

<e​ddie:oblak.be> now is also good time to create more sell pressure on xmr

don't be a moonboy :P

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if xmr price drops it'll cost qubic more money

also cost us hashrate

they have $ from other sources

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Right, we lost 1gh with the price drop

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nioc, when ngu hard fork?

xmr price drops but qubic price goes up

qubic's price is less than pennies

then fewer xmr miners but more qubic miners because the price drop. obviously this feedback loop isnt ideal

qubic isn't even worth 1/1000th of a penny

didnt he do 2 previous rugpulls? still would make a good profit right

yeah

CFB had a lawsuit for fraud if i remember

<e​ddie:oblak.be> supportxmr hashrate dropping fast now. Just below 1GH

so then who's to say he won't tank xmr just for personal gain? wouldnt be the first time

i wish we had PoW/PoS

PoW+PoS

<e​ddie:oblak.be> cindy you're repeating yourself stop drinking 😜

shut up, you don't tell me what to doooo

i'll keep drinking lol

i just like to see "fuck around and find out" in action, y'know

that's the good part about slashing

this qubic guy sucks

if he didn't do it someone else would eventually

i mean yeah true

<e​longated:matrix.org> Botnet proponents in distress

people have been ringing the bell against centralized pools

it sucks that it's right now right in this fucking economy

and encouraging people to use p2pool

<e​ddie:oblak.be> supportxmr hashrate drop is heavy, +0.5 GH/s in a few hours

Yeah, was quite signifigant.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I wonder if there's historical data on that pools hashrate, would it be really qubic all along, or just miners selling out

nah

it seems too sudden to be miners selling out

what if they're DDoSing supportxmr

They're not.

And of course we have the historical hashrates, we're back down to where we were right before Tari came out.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> snipa, are they public somewhere ?

Doubtful, we track them as part of our internal monitoring of course.

have they been faking blocks as other pools?

SXMR?

Or Qubic? MPS uses the API's the pools provide, and the pools /should/ be reporting those stats from their own systems, and not infering it from the chain.

The hashrate loss we took at SXMR was real, it's not like qubic was mining in some way that would report as us.

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> something I was wondering related to miningrigrentals.com

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> is if you rent a RandonX rig, are you definitely adding *new* hashrate to the network

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Or is the miner already mining XMR, but you're changing the pool it mines it to?

Could be either way, MRR is just hosting a box, you could be mining any RX coin with it (See Tari)

So renting could pull hashrate from tari into XMR or it could just rearrange it.

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Right, could just re-arrange it

but it seems weird

if they're using the API that the pools provide

like it could mean either two things

the miners sold out or the pools are getting DDoSed to prevent solutions from being sent to the pools

but the drop is too sudden for the first one

Well, SXMR isn't under a DDoS.

I can confirm that, because I'm sitting here looking at the boxes and checking in on them. xD

<t​orir:matrix.org> With the price drop, it might just be a miner moving to another profitable RandomX/CPU mined coin.

oh like tari

The hatchling/jagtech (RXT) pool, went up ~100-200mh yesterday, around the same time.

So yes, quite possible, particularly as tari jumped 20% in value yesterday as well.

I certianly have talked with plenty of miners that jump back and forth between sxmr and jagtech.

Hello, can you tell me in which chat I could potentially find a monero supplier?

use haveno

I really gotta setup haveno one of these days. I keep forgetting to. xD

Snipa: maybe a good time to announce merge-mining? :P

We announced it on reddit.

Neither of us really use X

Cindy We have our own crypto platform, we have a great demand for Monero, haveno cannot provide stability and the necessary speed in obtaining the Monero reserves we need on a daily basis.

We just didn't announce it before we started testing.

i still hold faith in XMR :P

Besides, Tari + XMR is currently ~60% the value of just mining Tari.

So it's not really a surprise miners would jump, as unfortunate as it is at this particular second in time.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Is cumfrombehind real ? Does he exist anymore or it’s just a entity behind him

i think this has been the giant lesson the monero research lab has needed though

It's been a fascinating time, terrible for my sleep schedule though.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Hopefully it’s not too late

that's what i can thank..

ugh.. cystic fibrosis for

I'm US based, so I have to be awake hilariously early to catch up with all the stuff going on.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You sleep?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wtf

I'm an old man, 36 this year.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Knees gone yet?

Thankfully, no, just overweight. xD

<e​longated:matrix.org> Since when did 36 become old

It's not ancient, but plenty of time to be old.

do you think people will ever trust centralized pools anymore?

Can't keep up with these 20 year old crypto zoomers.

after this?

<e​longated:matrix.org> That explains “old” comment, it’s in your mind

Snipa: 36 old? lololol

<e​ddie:oblak.be> bro my grandma was 85 and still playing online games

I mean, SXMR has repeatedly passed 51%, and never done a thing to the network other than let it redistribute hash.

i mean yeah

Tbh, I'll feel young again when my internet doesn't have so much latency. xD

but, do you think this will set the start of the end of centralized pools now? :P

150ms ping hurts.

you could be my grandson

No, why?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Which legit pool turned rouge ?

my ping is double that

Centralized pools have some benefits, like the fact if the network decides it wants to fork, you chase down a couple of ops and we can make widescale changes to the network, MRL's done this before and requested changes to the way we handle block templates.

Specifically ^ was in relation to the way that pools filled block templates for miners, rather than waiting for p2pool to roll out to everyone, we were able to affect change across the network in minutes.

Also, I'm still jaded from how badly Tari screwed up P2Pool. xD

but this incident sowed a lot of distrust in centralized pools :P

a lot more than before lol

<e​ddie:oblak.be> over the past hour or so 200MH was rented out on MRR

I don't keep up with it personally, I write software and run the pool, when a network change comes up that affects the pool, I tend to pay more attention, but there's alot of opnions, but the change needs to be ready to happen.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Where are these hackers when we need them?

tbh i hope they add a finality layer so legit pools can still keep going but it would be a lot more work (and lost money) to go rogue

i know i keep repeating myself like a dumbass :P

_Shrug_ We're 8 years in on running a XMR pool, we'll keep going as long as we can I think

<e​ddie:oblak.be> anyone checking if chain reorgs are happening, like couple of days ago?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My node is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no reorgs on my node

hello

Is the Qubic hashrate reported at miningpoolstats.stream/monero real or not?

It says it's 48% of known. That's 40% of total.

I am going to take it as real.

<t​orir:matrix.org> That hashrate is reported by Qubic.

<t​orir:matrix.org> They can report whatever number they like.

So anyone can report any fake hashrate. Great.

So you're telling me the dashboard is useless.

It's misleading, so worse than useless.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Useful only if miners are honest. Otherwise you can only estimate hashrate by looking at mined blocks.

<t​orir:matrix.org> But even that is only useful if no one is selfish mining.

What do we know from the mined blocks then? What's that at for Qubic?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> let's assume qubic has ~40% at the moment

<e​ddie:oblak.be> we've been saying they can report whatever they want but the fact is they have been steadily gaining hashrate over the past 2 months or so

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I'm donating a measly 5MH at moneroocean atm, they announced not to algo-switch to help protect the network 🥳

are you renting from Q

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And did you ensure it wasnt already mining xmr before you rented it :P

yes we are learning about all the possible hidden things

<e​longated:matrix.org> Which side though 😅 paid a premium to make sure it was correct one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "i rented 2gh but the global hashrate didnt go up 🤬"

<e​longated:matrix.org> Isn’t renting servers n mining cheaper ?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it was idling for the past day if the charts are to be trusted :p

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Algo switching would still help the network tho

can you mine on rented servers?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because it adds buy pressure / you have to sell less xmr to recoup

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes, why not ? If its a dedicated server and not some share vps

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I mine on shared vps

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (Dont tell my provider)

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes, why not ? If its a dedicated server and not some shared vps

<e​longated:matrix.org> Some notice it and block you for high cpu usage

yeah

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I also mine on my dedi's, but I don't max it to be a little stealthy

my CPUs are only at 100%

<e​longated:matrix.org> Which was the 1Mh/s dedicated server ?

except for my shitposting one which is at 50%

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My fcmp++ spamming has cores maxed out anyway

<e​longated:matrix.org> On dedicated it’s all you, don’t need to be stealthy

time for work :(

<a​sdfqwfe:matrix.org> miningpoolstats.stream/monero

<a​sdfqwfe:matrix.org> Are these numbers accurate? Or can Qubic be faking their hash rate?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Can fake ? Yes, is it fake? No idea

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I don't want to risk it, it's against the rules of the provider

<e​longated:matrix.org> Hetzner ?

Hetzner will ban the account.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Ya

<e​longated:matrix.org> Who is cheaper dedi provider these days ? Was using Scaleway ovh a few yrs ago

Is a dedi necessary?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

Is that for the CPU or the bandwidth?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> vps and even vds prohibit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> both

OVH allowed constant 100% CPU usage for me.

but idk about bandwidth

This is under VPS.

Maybe times have changed and dedi is necessary.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Dedicated server, not vps they are not cheap or worth the trouble

some VPSes completely freeze up under high CPU load

this can be anything, not just mining

<s​martstone:matrix.org> what is the most nerdy technical discourse about monero online?

github

i'm trying to make a program for my worker image

god is ncurses hard to make a basic UI on

Isn't "making a UI" something that an LLM can do trivially, especially if you give it all the precise details...

and I would let the LLM decide which tooling it prefers

i'm trying to aim for as less CPU usage as possible

which is why i'm going TTY + ncurses

less RAM and CPU usage*