<r​avfx:xmr.mx> average hash went from 5.x to like 6.9 after the marathon

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> so yes, it affected diff and block generation

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> (maybe I should check how much block in the last 90 min lol... I did use monero today for normal affairs and it just work as expected)

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: Are you the same person as ofrnAI?

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> RavFX: okay, thanks heaps! 😃

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I just stuffed all ofrnxmr text into a model

why is the issue about 51% attack protections in monero research lab github full of bad ideas

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And made ofrnAI

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yeah ^, ofrnAI is pretty close to me

some guy just recommended that monero mining should be turned into a pyramid scheme lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ideal solution is to pump monero

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> no change required but they won't allow it afaik

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> What would people’s thoughts be on gradually raising block rewards?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What mr AI said is accurate. Ravfx's response as well. The burst of 7gh isnt immediately reflected in the network difficulty.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> "If you can't defeat them, become one of them."

rewards have to come from somewhere

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> When you would worry, is if your node goes a long time without receiving any blocks, and your blocks dont match, example, xmrchain.net

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or explorer.xmr.mx

i mean, rewards do come from nowhere, but would increasing it cause inflation?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Price increase

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> increase reward (same amount of xmr but they worth more)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> meaning... more moners fight for it

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Yeah

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> wasy

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> miners**

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cindy, do you mean that we cant just increase the rewards?? /s. The only logical reason to change the emission would be to pay a higher % of xmr supply to qubic

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> the block height, or some other property?

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> If that’s too major a change, how about something like increasing transaction fees

i guess you could raise the block rewards after increasing the fees

but i'm sure people would notice :P

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Ideally that would make these attacks less likely in future? Forgive me though, I’m pretty ignorant

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If XMR was priced ats it's just value at over 4k / XMR, we would not have this discution.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Price bring PoW security

ugh

if only we built an economy

smh

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> We probably have the most complete ecosystem beside bitcorn and eth

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> we are in the top 3

we need to get steam and all the porn gamedevs on monero so XMR will explode to 100k / XMR

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but yet, price was suppressed

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Because XMR is technically the only way to counter the state

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and they know that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We just need onlyfans

we should tell them to quit racking up the phone bill

and start racking up the electricity bill :P

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The craziest thing is that we use cex prices as our valuation

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Well, cex have more volume sadly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and FFS it drives me literally crazy, when people say xmr isnt profitable to mine

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's more "precise"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like HELLO, set your prices properly. YOU'RE THE PRODUCER

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but Cex can play us

i cannot believe that there are people who waste days upon days calling up mastercard and visa

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I did trust tradeorgy (gone)

when they could have just started accepting monero

smh smh

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but the others not so much

ofrnxmr: lol i always thought the CEX prices are dumb

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> xmr is accepted at more place than you think

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> we are really the 3th ish choice

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If it cost me $280 to mine xmr _today_, you can bet i'm not offering ir for sale at 240

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> as far as infra

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its 280, take it or leave it. I can wait

it's 280?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fuckin infuriating that people mine xmr, it costs them $280 to mine 1xmr, and then they complain that its not profitable, when thry are market selling at 240

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Literally retarded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cindy, 280 = cost to mine 1xmr.

lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Everyone's cost is different. But if my cost ia $280, im not selling below that then whining about how its not profitable

280 is literally good

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yah can you sell me for 280, next time it goes to 420?

i remember last year when i started using xmrbazaar

XMR price was 170 dollars

i do not actually give a shit about prices

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yah no coiners don’t give shit about price

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Will be 480 then

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Mostly what I care about is monero is as functionally effective as possible.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sorry, i like to force ppl to buy from cex or pay my premium

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> either pump the cex price, or pay my premium

i hope if XMR gets finality layer, it's not a step towards full PoS like fucking zcash

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not functional if block reward is only protect you from some dude with a name like kewbit but spelled qubic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero value goes hand-in-hand with usability

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Valid haha

well yeah

higher price == higher block reward (in dollars)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "6 billion" market cap isnt real. You cant go sell 18m xmr for $240

boom, no hard fork

<e​longated:matrix.org> It’s hybrid not full pos

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can sell maybe 5000xmr before the market cap drops by 500million

elongated: zcash's plan was like

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zcash's tfl is designed as a step towards full pos

they'd go from PoW -> hybrid PoS+PoW

hybrid -> full PoS

<e​longated:matrix.org> Same cost for attackers

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I do think this attack should be a bit of warning regardless. It’s realistic that a future attacker could have significantly more resources

<e​longated:matrix.org> I meant for xmr

<n​ooneissafe:matrix.org> R the exchanges who closed xmr gna bring it back after?

<g​oldenbeard:matrix.org> Isn't proof of stake just richest guy can buy the network?

<e​longated:matrix.org> After qubic is handled with care

nooneissafe: no

<n​ooneissafe:matrix.org> 👍️

<e​longated:matrix.org> No, there are different types of pos

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Qubic has announced they’re attacking someone else soon

<n​ooneissafe:matrix.org> m-relay: Why not :(

the EU

and also probably the US

blame the gov

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> This should be over in a matter of days

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yah which is a lie, they going to attack asic coins with cpu now ?lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can withdraw from kraken

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So, use basicswap, buy some ltc, then dump the ltc on kraken and buy xmr

<n​ooneissafe:matrix.org> Im trying to buy xmr on cake wallet to re up on some lsd

do you think hybrid PoS+PoW will save XMR?

nooneissafe: nobody needed to know wtf are you gonna do with it

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Maybe? It’s just what CFB has said to his minions… do you think they’ll keep this up indefinitely?

<n​ooneissafe:matrix.org> I just mean i would rather it work sooner or later

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If its profitable, why not?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what coin do you have?

<n​ooneissafe:matrix.org> No coin just usd

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trying to buy xmr? I'll swap it for ya

<n​ooneissafe:matrix.org> Ion really know about crypto like that

<f​reedom-quester:matrix.org> nioc: do you concur with Mr AI here that I should ignore the warning? <<>> sorry for the late reply, sometimes I need to work. I agree with ofrn

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Is it still profitable?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ideal solution is to pump monero <<>> I also agree with this :D

<e​longated:matrix.org> No price talk

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> elongated

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> pumping monero will naturally increase hashrate (and botnet have limitation, will they ... infect more machine in response to that? no, they take as much as they can... now...)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero-markets iant bridged to irc

elongated, it is network security talk

:)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's it's not really price talk, it's another solution to save PoW

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> also true

<e​longated:matrix.org> Glad it’s been considered for security after all this time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> seriously though. Security is down with price falling

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Isn’t there a Qubic halving on the 20th? I’d imagine that’ll kill profitability

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> to increase security budget, we should do a monerun on kraken while deposits are closed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meaning its hard to deposit coins to sell them

it is centralized so the halving may very well not happen

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> exactly, nioc

TIL Q has been around at least 17 months

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> about as long as kewbit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ha

I guess cubists are in fashion again

what was old is new again

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> You’re right of course, hadn’t really considered that 😔

guess we will find out

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Well, we’ll know next week

yep

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Just wanna be left alone haha

i wonder if PoS would be benefitical, or another centralization problem

i mean PoS mixed with PoW

i keep worrying :P

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably both

what would the share of rewards be for both?

would PoW get 80% while PoS get 20%

or something?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 90:10 or 80:20

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Id go 90:10

yeah 90:10 is better

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> despite potential drawbacks and lack of support, i still like my idea of popow, with alternating blocks (pos -> pos -> pow), where each side can only revery a single block.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> for popow, a question was "all coinbases or future ones" and i think all would be ok, as long as they are staked on an node via unrestricted rpc.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think same issue if someone controlled majority of pos in this scenario, as if they did for finality, or if they did in pure pos

I have no coinbase xmr so make PoS all xmr

thx :D

all xmr?

you think people would bet all their XMR on stopping qubic? :P

PoS all xmr not just coinbases

i know

a selfish take

but you think people would bet all their XMR on stopping qubic for 10% reward

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nioc, if its all xmr, then kucoin will juat stake users deposits

or selling it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or some dnm, or some government

ok, only ofrn gets to stake

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> only miners

what are you trying to do, get everyone to move to p2pool? :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes

I mine but don't get coinbases

nioc is a fat cat

that's why he wants full PoS

I am on a small pool

he wants to 51% moner

monero*

I haz no coinbases

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> P2pool gives coinbases, and if you use a traditional pool, they have min payouts they could stake on your behalf if you trust em w your xmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> More incentive to switch to p2pool

I trust my pool with my life

how would qubic stake their payouts

their coinbases*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And if blocks were 4mins, the reward would be like 1.1xmr, so p2pool payouts would be bigger

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Qubic would have to not sell their xmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And would have to mine for 24hrs

yeah

let's put a bond-lock too lol

if you unstake, you don't get your XMR until a month later

it'll be the biggest trap lol

What is the purpose of such a lock?

and why a month?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thats sort lf discourages staking

yea

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because i, as a brokie, would want to have emergency access to my "savings"

so people don't immediately unstake and sell their XMR at the slightest FUD?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think "once unstaked, its unstaked permanantly" is good enough for incentive to keep staking

yeah

i think bond-lock only works with rich people

not miners

damn, i'm sorry for my shit idea

I disagree with disallowing people to unstake or to not restake. Reminds me of mutual funds which I hate with a passion.

No one likes mutual funds for this reason.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Well, i agree with me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So 1-1

how would you know that a coinbase wasn't spent

coinbase output*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because coinbases are public outputs, the key image would be known to be spent

okay damn that might be easier to implement than PoS

with PoS, you have to somehow prove that the non-coinbase outputs aren't spent

more math stuff that my dumbass can't understand

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cc boog900 boogAI

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is it possible to know when a coinbase was spent?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I mean, when a coinbase has not been*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmao, side question for you boog

<b​oog900:monero.social> there are current proofs that prove an output isn't spent IIRC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> my fcmp blocks are abour 18mb

<b​oog900:monero.social> so you would just do the same on a coinbase

is it easier on a coinbase?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When i start_mining, aonetines it takes a long time to start the miner (txpool at 40mb) - this isnt the question

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ```

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 025-08-16 01:10:06.258 I Miner thread was started [0]

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2025-08-16 01:10:06.286 I Found block <6bd60281064097b87b005ecfc6b7309c33c4d66db8e1d9c9ed9beefb840ee5fe> at height 2885 for difficulty: 2

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2025-08-16 01:10:06.391 I [batch] DB resize needed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2025-08-16 01:10:06.421 W Failed to set new mapsize: Cannot allocate memory

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'cryptonote::DB_ERROR'

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what(): Failed to set new mapsize: Cannot allocate memory

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aborted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ```

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is the question. Lmao. Monerod crashed after mining the block

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> >20gb free memory

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Greater than ^. Blockchain size just over 1gn

<b​oog900:monero.social> C​indy, no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The block was not stored btw.

i see

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Should i try again on a higher log level?

<b​oog900:monero.social> its called a reserve proof but it doesn't seem to allow you to choose specific outputs but that wouldn't be hard to add

also like, do coinbase have public amounts?

i know dumb question

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> not a dumb q

<b​oog900:monero.social> yes although a commitment is generated for each one so they can be used in normal rings

thank you for your knowledge, then :)

i think ofrnxmr is onto something

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Of course. I'm just not qualified to be taken seriously

<b​oog900:monero.social> is it actually using all your RAM?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> [@boog900:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@boog900:monero.social) crashed again, "DB resize needed" right after mining the block

<b​oog900:monero.social> like have you checked

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nope. I have htop open in another tmux pane and it doesnt go above 8gb (32 total)

<b​oog900:monero.social> and you have enough disk space?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Should have over 1tb left

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1.5tb free

<d​reuzzz1:matrix.org> wtf happened to monero?

<d​reuzzz1:matrix.org> why has it fallen so much

FUD

that's why

<b​oog900:monero.social> do you have a lower log level

<b​oog900:monero.social> my only guess is for some reason your node is trying to add a massive amount of space to LMDB, otherwise I have no clue

dreuzzz1: because Qubic may have gone up to ~45% hashrate of Monero network redd.it/1mr3587

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> do you mean higher? The error was from level 0. Should i grab from lvl 2?

<b​oog900:monero.social> yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doing a whole lot 🙂‍↔️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When its "unresponsive" its building a cache or smthn. Will post log when it finishes and crashes

<b​oog900:monero.social> I do worry about the increase load on monerod with FCMP

<b​oog900:monero.social> and the increase in the base median block size

i was trying to look into ways to make my wallet files for monero and bitcoin safer on windows, I was thinking of using access control lists or protected folders, but neither are very good solutions, it seems. but maybe I'm missing something, or is there another way to do it?

chat gpt keeps agreeing with everything I say so I can't tell using that

my problem with ACL on windows is it seems any program that ever ran as admin can switch users (i think), and the problem with protected folders is many folders are protected by default (and there's no way to remove them) so I end up allowing a lot of programs through. and any program that is let through can see all protected folders not just the

ones they need

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The monerod load doesnt seem to be bad. This log is near 100k lines, with 60k or so between "start_mining" and the crash

<b​oog900:monero.social> do you have this right before the resize: `increase size: `

<b​oog900:monero.social> with obviously the amount of bytes it will resize

<b​oog900:monero.social> if you don't have that line you would have done a 1 GB resize and I am out of ideas

if qubic manages to get 10-block reorg

i bet monero will actually crash down hard in price

<p​w:xmr.mx> It's crashed enough right now

nah

<p​w:xmr.mx> Yeah but I'd prefer it not to keep going down 😅

<p​w:xmr.mx> Especially when alternative coins used to get monero are still reasonably high. .. typical

well, we need more incentive for actual protection

like bitcoin.. smh

how come bitcoin manages to get that level of protection

<p​w:xmr.mx> Hype coin. That's seriously going to go to shit and lose people billions.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah `increase size: 266730176512`

Cindy: If say Qubic were to do a 10-block reorg, I would stop using Monero for transactions until it gets its act together. I would not sell what I have, and I would not buy more.

I would have to hold for years in the hope that Monero software would fix it.

<b​oog900:monero.social> jesus

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :D

what the absolute fuck is that size

<b​oog900:monero.social> your node was expecting the whole of mainnet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sounds like a bug

<b​oog900:monero.social> very much so

Evolver: good job for not quickly selling

i'm not buying or selling either until this shit is done

snake: use multiple layers of encryption with different passwords.

but that doesn't work for hot wallets

yeah it's a hot wallet

i run it live

snake: is it a UI-based wallet or a command-line wallet

UI

If it's command-line based, it's easy to isolate it in a container.

I see

snake: if the UI is web-based such as via a local webserver, it's also really easy to forward the web port outside the container.

but if it's a proper UI, then no.

I will try windows permissions after all, and test if other programs can change their user

i'll probably do it next week, not urgent

<b​esbescat:matrix.org> Hi. I rented a rack with 2x Xeon E5-2680 v2 and I started mining.

<b​esbescat:matrix.org> Is this my hashrate:

<b​esbescat:matrix.org> speed 10s/60s/15m 8018.7 8028.0 7814.0 H/s max 8047.0 H/s

<b​esbescat:matrix.org> And is it good for the hardware I got?

<b​esbescat:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/EXTfZpByTcbDdYllcqgUOfgI

<b​esbescat:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/uqBpqGVsYqXrptylYRiIvwmP

<b​esbescat:matrix.org> Also why does the hashrate of hashvault get lower once pubic starts mining?

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> Oh, several minutes ago, CFB said he would 51% attack ztrash. Should I be happy or sad?

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> when `monerod` is running in the background, can we change the log_level without restarting it?

monero set_log "inserthere"

monerod set_log "inserthere"

<d​uggavo:matrix.org> A single low-tier Ryzen such as Ryzen 5 9600 gets more hashrate than those two racks

<d​uggavo:matrix.org> even the Ryzen 5 7600 (4 years old, 65 watt TDP) gets more hashrate than that

More generally, any console command may be run on the command line. Take particular care about shell substitutions.

are you still a contributor moneromooo?

you made parts of the CLI and shit right?

I am not, I kinda burnt out and I just hack on my game now. I don't really expect to come back due to the large changes when fcmp will hit.

what game?

are you the reason for the cow on the cli lock screen?

Townforge, a monero fork that includes a chain based game. And yes, I made that cow :D

Wel, I used cowsay, I did not create the actual ASCII art.

nice looks interesting im checking out the website now

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> monerod starts becoming spammy from log-level=1, I'd like a way as a public node to see beside the sporadical syncing info logs, just the RPC requests to my public node in order to identify spam and abuse

Thanks ^_^

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> thank you moneromoo set_log works like a charm

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> i haven't used matrix before, feels so confusing lmao. so matrix is like the protocol and this element im using is the app that uses it, right?

idk what matrix is i just use irc

isnt matrix like FOSS discord?

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> 89.8G .bitmonero/ -- to run a pruned node

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> people still use IRC?

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> what client do you use?

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> atleast here it seems to be a bit more active the monero discord group ig

We are on IRC here. The matrix chat is being relayed to #monero via m-relay, a bridge.

So that people can chat between the two networks. I use irssi, to satisfy your curiosity.

matrix honeypot, discord bloated. IRC - good enough, great clients on any platform, you can host yours

anyone checkedout SimpleX? looks best for anon communication due to no-id tech, but see no point for public groups. IRC good

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> how do i join monero irc you're on directly? instead of matrix?

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/agAbyViKumbCrJwiQfBMUXXY

irc.libera.chat, port is... can't recall... 6697 maybe ?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> theres an official monero simplex ._.

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> cost of running a pruned monerod node per month

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> cost of running a pruned monerod node per month $23

That'll do documented on the libera.chat web site.

<o​cean:nope.chat> yeh wasn't a fan of simplex. maybe it's improved since I've tried it but it was pretty buggy. and the name reminds me of herpes

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> can it be made cheaper? $15 for 100GB ssd

getmonero.org has the irc information

i use hexchat

irssi is good but its in terminal

$23 bs, using a small vps more than good

datalix have good servers, pretty cheap

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> monero pruned is 90-100gb

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> I cannot connect to libera b/c I'm on VPN

6$ have 150gb nvme

datalix.eu - they accept monero for top up

$6 server have 150gb nvme, runs great

cant you register your nick or something for vpn?

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> du -sh .bitmonero/

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> 89.8G .bitmonero/

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> I just synced

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> yes, but how do you register your nick if you cannot connect via vpn?

disable vpn

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> this means I'm forced to register my nick from a clear connection revealing my location

here is affiliate link

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> they should allow registering the nick from their website via VPN so then one can connect

$6 150gb, 4cores, 12 core, good deal imo

dm me the password you use for your bank account and ill register your nick with that password

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> deal jp!

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> you make too much sense for me to pass on this offer

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> someone said they use hexchat, isn't it discontinued - is it safe to use?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> an irc client cant have security vulns lmao

idk i just use hexchat

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> datalix.eu/rent-epyc-kvm-server -- 100gb not 150

im also on windows on this pc

probably other options but this one is simple enough

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> they're sold out viscous24

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> i think ill try Irssi lol

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> immediately jumping for the hardest one to use huh

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> :3

if youre familiar with cli shit irssi is good

otherwise theres gonna be a learning curve

took me a little bit

wait can you register a nick via matrix and then just connect via tor?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes

ahem

is there a timeout or does the client stays connected till we choose not to

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> stays connected until closed

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> Gm

gm

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> * Closing Link: user/lleaf (K-Lined)

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> * Looking up irc.libera.chat

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> ** Connecting to libera from Mullvad VPN -- even with SASL auth you're banned

what other communities are active on IRC? so far ive only seen this monero one active tbh

should i try other servers?

on top there is 2025 offers, and they have 150gb for $6.95

euros

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> viscous24 found it, it's the Boost package 6.95 €

no, they call it newcomer

yes boost, sorry

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> viscous24, got it -- added you as referral

thx :D

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> those servers are very good, synced up to 35% in 13 minutes

yes, I used to have contabo with hdd, was very slow

recenty moved to datalix, I pay with monero and getting nvme instead of hdd

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> gg

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Waste of money as the long run value of Monero is $0 as the community/developers are not only midwits, but lazy, and the chain will be 51% attacked any moment now (only +1GH/s left). Consider investing in Ethereum instead, as it supports privacy in the long run and Vitalik endorses privacy on ETH L1.

lol

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> You can swap from XMR -> ETH using any exchanges listed here (no KYC): kycnot.me/?categories=exchange

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Someone ban this troll and give it no attention

<e​ddie:oblak.be> 😴

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> If Monero does not suffer from a 51% attack within the next 96 hours, I agree to be permanently banned from this platform and refrain from returning. Deal?

your deals sounding like Donald T. deals

lets say DEAL!

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> eigenwallet.org/statistics.html Liquidity for BTC has dropped significantly from around 14 BTC to less than 1 BTC, due to people panicking and swapping their XMR into BTC. I anticipate this trend to persist.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Smart money is exiting XMR before the chain gets 51% attacked. If this occurs, Qubic could double spend and make every block an orphan one (nullifying transactions), causing XMR to lose value. Some members of the community may cope by saying:

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> 1. Qubic's hash rate is fake (it is not; you can verify recent blocks mined)

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> 2. Qubic is a Ponzi scheme (even if it is, the incentives are strong enough to attack XMR, which only has a daily security budget of ~$87k versus BTC having ~$47.77m)

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> 3. The developers are working to defend the network (they have not, it has been almost over a week with nothing but a draft research proposal written)

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> 4. Community is rallying against the attack (pathetic attempt as p2pool still has < 1000 miners)

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I suggest selling your XMR holdings as soon as possible to avoid potential losses from a 51% attack. Rather than risk losing all of your money, consider keeping it safe by investing in another coin with proper security measures (BTC) or a better consensus mechanism (ETH). They also have competent developers.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Another common coping mechanism I see in the Monero community is the claim that Qubic requires more than a 50% additional hash rate to launch a 51% attack. However, Qubic only needs an extra 1 GH/s of hash rate (from its ATH of 48%) to execute a 51% attack and profit from double spending XMR transactions.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> TLDR of the entire situation without bias :D

CFB go home, man

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> You can't hide the truth.

"without bias", your matrix ID is literally sellmoneronow

good job troll

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> "Trolling" implies that someone is intentionally spreading false or misleading information or causing upset or confusion for the sake of entertainment or to provoke a reaction. If you read carefully what I have said, everything is accurate and factual. I will not engage in further discussion on the matter.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> awesome

i'll keep holding my XMR just for you

thank you for encouraging me, sergey

:D

metoo :P

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Ahahaha, we have another one

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I'm the same persno.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Ahhh

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I think you need to modify your strategy

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> We call ourselves the Juliu cartel.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I'm the same person.

ethereum is garbage

and bitcoin too

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> It’s a little bit on the nose naming yourself sellmoneronow or ripxmr going on long rant to try get others to sell it

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> It’s a little bit on the nose naming yourself sellmoneronow or ripxmr going on long rants to try get others to sell it

imagine 80 dollar fees on each transactions? loooool

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> No modification is needed as Qubic is currently doing all the heavy lifting.

longroadhome: don't worry, it's their "unbiased" opinion :P

ignore their name

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Were if you, I’d give myself a neutral name, and pose as someone who was less invested in a certain outcome

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> <C​indy> Let's not disparage Ethereum, as it may serve as the finality layer for Monero in the future. This is seriously being considered.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I think more subtlety might have a greater chance of convincing people

ethereum = money vacuum

it's just some regular or previous regular that made a mock account to diffuse some amusement to us

* Cannot join #monero-pools (You are banned). -- is because my user was made today?

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> #monero-pools shut down because it was a Nazi breeding ground.

lol

but it's still in the topic here

pools is now on the rizon irc network

key mr plowsof can you update the IRC header?

*hey

when i used ETH, most of the money was wasted on the fees

the fees are way too expensive for the coin to even be usable

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> ETH fixed the fee problem with layer 2's and now the fees are less than Monero.

hahahaha, layer 2s

so i have to choose the RIGHT layer 2

otherwise if i use ETH L1 directly, i'll pay fees 4000% the amount i wanted to send

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> No you can choose any and bridge between them.

bridging still requires a massive fee :P

<e​longated:matrix.org> It’s not

really?

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> monero-project/research-lab #136

yes i'm aware of the MRL issue

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Only requires a soft-fork and we may be able to reduce the 10-block lock. Yes, it is seriously being considered if other options cannot be implemented in time.

i doubt it would be on ethereum

literally nobody said it was gonna be on ethereum in both the MRL PoW issue and finality layer issue

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Bitcoin or Ethereum can be used.

stop making shit up :P

CAN be used

does not mean "will be used"

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Using a Larger Network as our Finality Layer ❌ ✅ Maybe Makes us a vassal state to the glorious Bitcoin/Ethereum empire

just because it's on a table, does not mean they're seriously considering it

<e​longated:matrix.org> We are not using eth

like "Do Nothing" and "ASIC PoW" is on the table too

yet there would be strong pushback against the latter

i think they're considering a finality layer built on top of monero. if it was dependent on an another coin, there would be strong pushback

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> You're right. It just seems likely that the Monero will eventually adopt either of the two largest and most secure blockchains because settling for anything less would be illogical. Compared to Bitcoin, Ethereum offers a more robust security model, which is why I opted for it.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Doing nothing means we risk a potential 51% attack, and the PoW algorithm based on ASICs would be a significant joke.

<e​longated:matrix.org> It’s not dependent on top of any 3rd party coin

yes

i hope they don't seriously consider tying it to another coin, elongated lol

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes, I don’t think there is a serious enough discussion on that path

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> <C​indy> If a finality layer for Monero can be developed within the next few months, I would sell all my ETH and liquidate my short positions to buy back Monero immediately. Unfortunately, it will take as long or even longer than FCMP++ to implement, and we do not have that luxury of time. This is why relying on a third party is preferable.

sellmoneronow: not even zcash relied on tying themselves to another coin

i don't think anybody is really considering that

again, how would you tie monero to another coin

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Zcash's network is currently dominated by a mining pool controlling over 62.2%, so that is not a good example.

i think zcash has TFL

or at least hybrid PoS+PoW

the same thing that monero proposes having

but zcash is planning to switch to full PoS soon

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> <C​indy> I didn't know that thank you for letting me know I'll look into it.

I hear that Q says they want to attack zec

sellzcashnow

apparently all zcash did was publish a paper on TFL

they have not implemented it into zcash

so it's still pure PoW

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> No, now ztrash is pure asic PoW

yeah lol

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> imagine not buying every monero you can. if you care about sound internet money, you care about fungible/anonymous internet money. if you care about fungible/anonymous internet money, you care about monero. if you care about monero, you care about its security. if you care about its security, you care about its price. if you care about its price, you get your hands on any 'nero you can.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Sounds like insecurity and bag holder syndrome

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> if you guys want monero security, the number must go up. no other ways around it. all the technical change proposals are essentially copes trying to reduce this fact.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> NGU is not possible because Monero's liquidity is non-existent on CEXs and current solutions for DEXs like BSX, RetoSwap, etc. are complicated for normies

buymoneronow vs sellmoneronow :D

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> We've been over this so many times

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> The solution is Serai. The design of Serai DEX is similar to that of Thorchain, with an emphasis on user-friendly UI/UX. However, work on the project has slowed down, and it is not expected to be released for at least another year

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> normies? who said anything about normies? i am still somehow buying over swaps. it's easy af for anyone that actually cares about having anonymous internet money. normies will maybe come after a 10x. it's not about normie retail right now.

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> sellmoneronow: any idea why development has slowed down?

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Normies include ETH whales. Your swaps < 10K do not matter. I'm taking at least > 1M swaps

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Trocador can barely handle 100K

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> The main developer of Serai (Luke) is currently experiencing personal issues, which have contributed to delays in the project's progress. Also audits for some libraries are still pending, further delaying its release

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> there is a lot of money that wants to become anonymous internet money, yet they're chickens. they're not getting every monero they can. they still think they going to have monero at ~250. they're fools. low liq just means price go up.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Low liquidity results in high price impact for large trades. For example, a whale on Ethereum who wants to swap into Monero might lose 30-40% or more if they opt for non-KYC means. Going through KYC defeats the point of XMR, especially with poisoned outputs without FCMP++ implemented yet

wen serai

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Serai is an AMM that will solve both the liquidity and non-KYC problem

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> The only people who currently don't care about price impact are hackers, for example from the recent 300M BTC heist, that don't care about losing 30 - 40% of funds from swaps

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> The only people who currently don't care about price impact are hackers, for example from the recent 300M BTC heist, who don't mind losing 30 - 40% of funds from swaps

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> excuses. if they're on eth they're already kyc. they can buy kyc monero no problem. they can swap to new a monero address after fcmp++. fungibility is a fundamental pillar of sound money. monero is by far the best cryptocurrency that has it. there is no second best. imagine seeing the only form of sound money in crypto and making excuses as to why you are not going to buy it at s<clipped message>

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> uch low price. yeah liq is low, no shit. the price will shoot up because it's supposed to. what fools they are. that's all i gotta say.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I think the price will go lower

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Until certain problems are fixed

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> (I think those problems are obvious right now)

"imagine seeing the only form of sound money in crypto and making excuses as to why you are not going to buy it at such low price" :)

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> It's called being smart. Why buy at $230 when you can buy at $100 or even $30

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Also I get liquidated at ~$402 so please don't go higher thanks

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> of course the issues will be fixed. raising the price will even ensure the coin lives long enough to see it. no reason to buy later and not now. fools!

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Short monero in the short term. Earn money from the chaos. Buy back in later

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I don't see why Monero would suddenly rise in price with all that is going on

I would respond but something about price talk not being allowed in this channel

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I think price talk is permitted because monero-markets is not bridged to monerologs.net

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> plowsof can correct me if I'm wrong

<g​oldenbeard:matrix.org> Yea in my opinion need some sort of big "fix" and then a big marketing push for optics. Anyone who isn't into Monero or even some of those who are probably view Monero as risky while Qubic keeps attacking and there's no real solution planned.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Discussion in #monero-research-lounge:monero.social is becoming productive now

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I thought the developers were lazy. I was wrong

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Many solutions are being worked on

<g​oldenbeard:matrix.org> Yea I've been following. But really need a single or combination of good solutions to be agreed upon worked on asap. My concern is if qubic causes some damage, there will be no way to fix public opinion on monero

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Doug Dimmadome if you're in this chat message me

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> if you have money -> buy monero (security budget up)

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> if you have money -> set high fees (security budget up)

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> if you have CPUs -> mine

<t​esttank:matrix.org> You are about two weeks late 👍

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I started my short back in May :D

why would you think that the devs are lazy?

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> It was obvious that this was going to become an issue if you knew about the MineXMR situation

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> let's short squeeze his ass. if liquidity is so low we can set the price.

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> <n​ioc> I didn't know the monero research chats existed, and I was going off X, where there was little to no activity

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Don't bother

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> :P

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I need to short Qubic soon though

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> based

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I'm not biased I'm here to make money

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> When I see a ponzi about to implode how can I resist

<u​nt0ld:matrix.org> based money

imagine reading twitter 0_o

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I need to for "alpha" sometimes

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Most people are on there

for what you do I suppose so

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Nice, probably now it’s a good time to close, considering sentiment it’s at all time low

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Nice, probably now it’s a good time to close, considering sentiment it’s at an all time low

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I am considering Qubic. They admitted that they are operating at a loss ($-145,000 for the last epoch) in their latest blog post if read carefully. When the appropriate opportunity arises, I will rotate my position as I have recently learned how to short Qubic on a reputable CEX

<s​bt:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/QThotbWWuiAlNObVlBOSKYVM

<s​bt:nope.chat> LMAO

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> I can't see the image :(

<s​bt:nope.chat> fastpool has 400GH/s. Shows how easy it is to fake hashrate

<s​ellmoneronow:synod.im> Qubic's is not fake though because you can infer their hashrate from the amount of blocks they get

Monero really has some serious image problem if even memecrap like Shiba has a bigger market cap.

sellmoneronow: bait used to be more believable

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> monero’s crime? being useful but un-memeable. shiba wins at popularity, not purpose.

suikagang: and also feds do not want to see monero flourish

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> literally every govt/institution out there is trying to keep xmr off the shelf

more than that

if it wasn't qubic this month

it would probably be them son

soon*

if their measures fail, they'll just resort to 51%

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> most of the crypto is dominated by gamblers(so called traders)

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> it is genuinely baffling as how to people talk about decentralization and what not - then do the opposite lol. like btc is not what it was meant to be and yet its value just keeps skyrocketing.

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> i don't understand how a ponzi company like MSTR is driving the hype

<s​uikagang:matrix.org> it is not hard to see how the money flows in the market - BTC and then when btc bleeds it moves to ETH and then alts and repeat. now it is just another way for institutions to make money off retail users

<u​ju:riot.anarchyplanet.org> Because they operate in a ponzi environment.

<u​ju:riot.anarchyplanet.org> Not really. Advertisement, marketing and cults aren't known for being honest.

I think fighting Bitcoin and Eth is a losing battle and argument here. I wouldn't ever do it.

im not saying to fight against btc or eth - they are now the bluechip of "crypto" but i was just saying the irony in how btc is now vs what is supposed to be lol

where im from - anything with xmr is associated with terrorism

funny how just a couple of years back, btc was treated the same way

does anyone here use webmoney?

<g​oodboy:matrix.org> which venue allows this

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> MEXC have QUBITUSDT perp

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I feel like the fact Shiba has such a huge market cap says more about the crypto space than it does about monero

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I’m here because what’s happened to personal privacy in the 21st century has been a silent tragedy

countries got together and thought they could gang up on us

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> here for the privacy, the price is just a bonus

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>:3

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Yes, i rembember thinking in 2017 that the crypto market would mature and only coins with real utility would exist in the future, but it seems it just keeps getting worse ahahah

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Yes, i rembember thinking in 2017 that the crypto market would mature and only coins with real utility would exist in the future, but it seems that it just keeps getting worse ahahah

testtank: it will be like that soon

the moonboys and cryptobros will get tired of beating the same old dead horse again and again

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Imagine telling someone in 1920 that the government, with the collaboration, of supermassive corporations, would try track and have available every detail of your life

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> What’s changed recently is they may soon be using AI to make citizen databases

lol, you're acting like they haven't done that yet

the EU made eIDAS

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> guess i'll be stuck here forever ;-;

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I’m talking about something more extreme

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Every photo of you, every relationship, every payslip and and expenditure, every relationship and piece of online communication

oh, eIDAS is only a step in that direction

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Every photo of you, every relationship, every payslip and and expenditure, every movement and piece of online communication

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Yeah i hope to live in world where Monero is bigger than dog coins

everything that makes you tick

your allergies, your interests, your disinterests

medical details, what you've been browsing

what kind of content you like to watch

(both SFW and NSFW)

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> adblocker, vpn, rooted phone, hardened os

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> what will they do lol

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> also, what will they do with my catgirls nekosia.cat/booru?page=1

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> very much, corporations led the way there

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> xd

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> use meshnets, bluetooth messaging, yggdrasil network...

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> and ur invisible

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> :3

they'd be able to blackmail you easily

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I don’t think we’re necessarily doomed to this, but it would take a major historical contingency to wake people up

like literally call you up and tell you that they have a TON of dirt on you

and if you don't comply, they'll tell everyone publicly

including your family, friends, partners

testtank: There are just a few coins with a persistently-rising slow moving average. These are: btc, eth, xmr. Not doge and not even ltc.

so take comfort in that

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> we monero users will and will forever be a minority. unless you get people (ppl r dumb ._.) into crypto.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> does anyone even use xmrbazaar even though everyone knows it exists

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> We’ve been blindly building the infrastructure for an ultra-authorian state

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I have not

you can make anyone do anything for you if you have enough dirty secrets about them :P

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> We’ve been blindly building the infrastructure for an ultra-authoritarian state

just imagine how amazing would that be

no need to kill or assassinate someone, use what you know about them against them

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ok. i love hatsune miku. hit me up.

i should take this to offtopic though :P

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> yee

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Perhaps a global debt crisis could cause a proper rethinking

We know that's coming later this century

due to its exponential function

but it doesn't in itself weigh in favor of privacy

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> catch you after the ad break. more at 11.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I think it potentially could

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Obliquely at least. It may cause people to distrust centralised systems and prioritise agency over convenience

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> But tbh I don’t know which way I’d bet

you might think in today's world where credit card companies are literally freezing your funds for selling NSFW stuff

you'd think monero would be bigger

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> monero is and will stay a niche project only used by hackers

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ;-;

In fairness, if Monero were large, it'd be a lot bigger government target

so in this way there is that benefit to not becoming too large

but if monero was larger, it'd have more miners

much more hashrate and protection

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> We need them to overstep significantly more

c'mon, let's build a big economy on monero

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I think payment providers will inevitably undermine their own power by following this route too far

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> "big economy"

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> of gift cards and stolen accounts yes

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> thats whats sold on xmrbazaar lmao

xmrbazaar is shit tbh

i mean the listings on it are shit

not that the platform is

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> exactly.

how tf am i supposed to convince someone to use it if it's full of AI slop listings

in fact the picture on the frontpage uses a crappy AI image, someone would think they like that a lot

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes lmao

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> dont convince

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> monero is hacker tech anyways

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> only meant to be used by certified pr0 h4x0rs

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> its because nobody wants to draw for xmr

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> lol

....... ehhhh

you're kinda wrong there

there are artists that accept XMR

i actually found one on accident

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> o

if xmrbazaar had good moderation, it would be nice

last time i checked, they were dealing with rogue arbitrators lol

and these sketchy AI slop listings are only a cherry on top

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> bounties.monero.social/posts/203/0-050m-a-monero-attack-alert-app

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol

isn't a reorg only detectable from the logs of the node?

or am i wrong

<s​bt:nope.chat> Everyone has already sold their soul to mega corporations without thinking twice. Facebook is relentless by pulling shit like this localmess.github.io

<s​bt:nope.chat> I would beat the fuck out of zuck if I ever see him.

<s​bt:nope.chat> Also how they bought a VPN company just to spy on users. Pathetic.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> huh, on xmrbazaar is there anything preventing one from making multiple accounts and doing self rating 5* ?

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> 💕

<s​bt:nope.chat> It's unmoderated. No one uses it.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Thats untrue

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Somehow we’ve sold our lives to the money-obsessed sociopathic autists

<s​bt:nope.chat> Just look at the front page.

<s​bt:nope.chat> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nope.chat/yKFeAJOyXWjhWCTgDQUKmlys

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> [@aillia:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@aillia:matrix.org) moderates it and illegal listings are removed

<s​bt:nope.chat> ^^

<s​bt:nope.chat> It's a lot of AI slop, as someone mentioned.

​<longroadhome:matrix.org> ​Somehow we’ve sold our lives to the money-obsessed sociopathic autists <<>> :)

Well most people

<s​bt:nope.chat> Probably 95%+

<s​bt:nope.chat> There's still a chance. To maintain freedom.

<s​bt:nope.chat> But ig it will be niche. Hard to convince anyone who's already sold.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I don’t think this level of unfreedom is actually sustainable long term

<s​bt:nope.chat> Run relays, run nodes, run meshtastic relays with your friends. That's a good start.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> But something big needs to happen to change society and culture in a fundamental way

<s​bt:nope.chat> It has been going on for quite some time now. I don't think it would just fade away.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I certainly wouldn’t expect it to fade away

<s​bt:nope.chat> If it fails, they would find another way. Far efficient.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I’m about historical contingencies, like the one that happened in the 20th century

i'd like it if there was something that is convincable to normies

like oh, artists

there could be a place listing jobs.... without the AI slop imagery

<s​bt:nope.chat> It's impossible.

<s​bt:nope.chat> Just look at the snowden leaks. That shit was 12 years ago. Imagine what they have now.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Sudden, serious and systemic government abuse of power, on a level far surpassing anything we’ve yet seen may do it, but I’m not even sure than would

<s​bt:nope.chat> Or vault7 leaks. It's insane.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Pretty terrifying

we need something normie-friendly to convince people to use

simplex has managed to do a good job at this

<s​bt:nope.chat> As long as people vote for their slavery, nothing's gonna change.

<s​bt:nope.chat> We need total anarchism, which has never happened.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Its worse, they don’t even know what they’re voting for

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I’m not an anarchist, I’d be in favour of a new social contract

<s​bt:nope.chat> And the delusional thinking that govts are there to protect them.

<s​bt:nope.chat> Just look at how many offensive attacks is NSA doing. It should be illegal.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Typically this takes a war or a financial collapse, I’d prefer not have a major war

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> National surveillance agency

<s​bt:nope.chat> The best bet is to keep dodging them.

<s​bt:nope.chat> They probably still own NIST.

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I used to (some years ago) describe my self as libertarian leaning, but I meant it in a very different way to the sort of billionaire class that uses than term now

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> They seem to describe a world where companies are free to do whatever they want

<s​bt:nope.chat> There are definitely some chain analysis fuck heads on this chat. Dirty bastards.

just like how there are youtube employees in invidious' chat

<s​bt:nope.chat> You think?

<s​bt:nope.chat> Probably scouring their issue list, the invidious chat room is not that useful.

you would not believe how fast youtube devs are to react against changes in invidious

they change the site's code in a few hours

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> gotta keep harvesting 📊

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> Praying for the day we watch big tech burn

<s​bt:nope.chat> At least newpipe keeps working.

<s​bt:nope.chat> Invidious still works fine on residential IPs.

<s​bt:nope.chat> That's not possible. For something like yt, the code changes require a lot of time.

they manage to do it fast though

i know youtube's backend is mostly C++, because there was a invidious bug that managed to trigger a C++ backtrace from an invalid input

but there's no way they managed to update the code live

nevermind, live patching is a thing

<g​oodboy:matrix.org> it shall come. but y'all need to learn some trading first.

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I deleted my Reddit, long live Monero and decentralized social networks!

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> 9 or so months ago there were talks about updating the getmonero.org website design, had a Figma and everything, any news for development on that?

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> I asked this question previously to Syntethic Bird, the answer is: matrix.to/#/#monero-research-lounge…rBW7NSh1Bp46y4cmXtg2-3XpxChm3-Sx5g4

<g​renzgaenger:matrix.org> Hi guys

<g​renzgaenger:matrix.org> I have a question regarding mining. If a pool has a hashrate of 30% can this pool poison the network and has the pool a chance to deanonymize transactions?

<g​renzgaenger:matrix.org> And if a pool has 51% or 99% (we forget re-org etc) do we would run into privacy issues?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> non, no deanon like that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> non, they can't hack privacy that way afaik

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's not how privacy on monero work

no

51% attacks do not deanonymize transactions

<g​renzgaenger:matrix.org> I know the issues with 51%. It was just a number. Lets say 99% and lets forget the whole re-org etc stuff. Just for privacy impacts

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> privacy rely (right now) on decoys, even if someone exploit 99% attack it won't change a thing

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And also the reason why a 51% attack on monero is less worst than on bitcoin in my thinking. Even if there bad, they can't do targetted censorship (because they don't know who spend what)

i mean, they can only reject blocks

blocks of entire transactions and hope they hit the attacker

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> they can selfish mine and stuff.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And block random or all transactions yeah

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but they can't like "I want to prevent X from spending"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and if they block transaction, eventually someone else will mine it, except if they keep full time 51% attack (they don't have that capability)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but they can try to do thing like double spend, it's why exchange might increase the verification to more than 10 blocks

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> to do a double spend they have to

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> a ) Make a transaction

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> b ) orphan then next 10 blocks

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but even then it won't really work as a double spend if the first to have received the transaction do notice and don't provide service

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and well, can you do "a" when you know you can do "b"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> you can't know you can do "b" in advance

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> except if you actually have way more hash power than they have

<g​renzgaenger:matrix.org> thx

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If there is a double spend, it has to a) be qubic or b) be a spam attack in conjunction with selfish mining. 72hrs worth of spam

i remember a spam attack in zcash

but it wasn't to double spend, but rather to massively bloat the blockchain up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> for b) a tx would have to be reorged back to the mempool, and then put in a backlog for 72hrs, wherin it will he dropped.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> this cost of spam for 72hrs is 600+mb of txs at 0.36xmr per mb

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, you have to maintain 51% capability and reorg for 72 hr

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They can't do "b"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And they don't affect privacy.

damn

72 hours of reorgs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yeah, i dont see anyone pulling off b/ just noting that its the only other way to drop txs afaik

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> meaning, a regular users tx is not unconfirmed as a result of selfish mining _then_ never confirmed due to backlog at higher fee lvl

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> p2pool needs incoming connections enabled?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> status says "No incoming p2p connections", is that of concern?

is UPnP enabled in your router?

you can't run p2pool in a NAT/CGNAT because it needs some ports open for incoming connections

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> You can afaik.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I did it in the past

oh really?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, it's like running your home node. You can still make connection to other node and sync with them

well, i wonder if alexandre's router has UPnP enabled though

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's just that THEY can't establish NEW connection to you

yes i know

you can make outgoing connections i guess

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Ideally you want incomming but without it it will still work

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> for nodes I think Incomming make it better for Dandelion shit

i wonder if your ISP is firewalling ports too btw

ideally they shouldn't, but some ISPs are like that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Lot of them block outgoing 25 because they don't want you to use other mail servers (in that case just use 587)

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> Cindy it's cgnat :/