<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Sometime I find i2p faster

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Sometime I find i2p wayyyy slower

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> b​tcdwed: yep, cake wallet is great and popular but I suppose a lot of people use their nodes

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I wouldn't trust them that much

thx Fijxu, i think i am safe with my nodes @ cake

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> After FCMP++, ISP can no longer track the tx if using local node even without tor/i2p, right?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong

<t​orir:matrix.org> Uh, they can still track IP addresses the same as now, FCMP doesn't change how transactions are relayed.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Both are unrelated

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Can track up addresses, txid origins -> destinations

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ip*

<e​longated:matrix.org> 5 👀

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 5 block reorg? Or 5xmr for pics?

<e​longated:matrix.org> 5 eyes

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> 5 masters

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> 5 magics

<m​st:tedomum.net> What is going on miningpoolstats.stream/monero ?

<m​st:tedomum.net> I see qbic.org + supportxmr.com at > 51%!

<m​st:tedomum.net> Is that correct?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Hashrate on that site is SELF-REPORTED by the pools and in the case of Qubic, is not particularly trustworthy.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Block distribution, however, can be trusted, since it's the actual blockchain.

<m​st:tedomum.net> OMG I skipped a beat!

<t​orir:matrix.org> Yeah, Qubic + SupportXMR is barely under 51% in the block distribution chart, but I doubt Qubic and SupportXMR will be working together anytime soon.

<m​st:tedomum.net> Please dont let monero die!

<m​st:tedomum.net> I should say, "let us not monero die"

<e​xplodius:matrix.org> Best thing you can do is mine on p2pool

<m​st:tedomum.net> I was under the impression that supportxmr was run by qbic

<t​orir:matrix.org> No. Qubic is a different coin that is merge-mining Monero in a very centralized fashion.

<m​st:tedomum.net> I think i can stop sweating a bit now

<m​st:tedomum.net> Thanks for the explanation [@torir:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@torir:matrix.org)

<t​orir:matrix.org> It's been a rough week. Qubic *has* been attacking the network, both a mining attack (NOT 51% attack, but a selfish mining attack), and also a publicity attack.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Qubic has been trying to spread FOMO in an attempt to persuade miners to switch to their pool.

<t​orir:matrix.org> FUD* not FOMO

<m​st:tedomum.net> In any case, if monero really becomes a threat to a well funded actor, seems to me that the cutrent state of things won't be much of an obstacle

<t​orir:matrix.org> Yeah, a lot of people are trying to make this attack be harder in the future. It's not an easy problem to solve though.

<m​st:tedomum.net> In any case, if monero really becomes a threat to a well funded actor, seems to me that the current state of things won't be much of an obstacle

<t​orir:matrix.org> Best short term thing you can do is to mine on p2pool.

<m​st:tedomum.net> Indeed, but *no* proof of stake -- that is not a solution

<t​orir:matrix.org> Medium term and long term, we're still working out a solution.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Gupax is an all-in-one tool that can get you set up on p2pool and mining very easily.

<m​st:tedomum.net> Where can i chck the block distribution?

<t​orir:matrix.org> At the bottom of miningpoolstats.stream/monero is a pie chart.

<e​xplodius:matrix.org> This is a really good short term solution. If everyone who cared about monero ran gupax it would add alot of hashing power to the network. You can just leave it on with 1 core mining.

<t​orir:matrix.org> gupax.io

<m​st:tedomum.net> Yes, I'm already there!

<t​orir:matrix.org> You can also use github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx which adds support for the xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool raffle for bonus payouts.

<e​xplodius:matrix.org> yeah that one also adds a gui fro starting and stopping a local node which is nice

<e​xplodius:matrix.org> yeah that one also adds a gui for starting and stopping a local node which is nice

<f​iremontag:matrix.org> Will it ever be possible for an efficient method of exchanging Monero for American fiat currency (and vise versa), automatically without trading with users online, all while maintaining complete anonymity? If so, what will it take to achieve this?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Changes in the American legal system.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Major changes need to happen in US law before anonymous purchases of cryptocurrency without interacting with someone else are possible. Peer-to-peer transactions, interacting with someone else to purchase crypto, are allowed, I believe. But those aren't convenient or automatic.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Someone wanna ask Trump to overturn all of KYC/AML laws?

<s​bt:nope.chat> No one cares.

<t​orir:matrix.org> The whole of Monero is to avoid that whole problem of government control of money.

<t​orir:matrix.org> But that means that the on-ramps and off-ramps, which governments interfere with, will always be complicated.

<k​mno4:catgirl.cloud> I'm mining on p2pool via gupax. could you explain me what is gupaxx?

<k​mno4:catgirl.cloud> I thought gupaxx is a scammer

AFAIK this a is GUI on top of monero mining software. I've not heard of it being a scam before.

gupaxx is a fork of gupax that adds extra features like p2pool nano, prob other things too. not a scammer from my understanding

Hello, I'm not sure if this is more appropriate for #monero-dev, but I read somewhere on the IRC channels that orphaned blocks are automatically launched to mempool? Is that true? Can that be relied on? (obv asking in relation to double-spending attacks)

transactions from orphaned blocks or whatever it was specifically*

Seems like if it was true, it would constitute a softfork at least to change that

Transactions from orphaned blocks are added to the txpool (assuming they're mostly valid).

<d​iw_tim:matrix.org> Where are shorting Qubic? What exchange?

<d​iw_tim:matrix.org> Where are you shorting Qubic? What exchange?

<d​iw_tim:matrix.org> NVM!

<u​sb:envs.net> When i saw xenu's vid on guppy he had stuff like xmrvsbeast and stuff, is that from gupaxx

<u​sb:envs.net> When i saw xenu's vid on gupax he had stuff like xmrvsbeast and stuff, is that from gupaxx

<u​sb:envs.net> xenu's vid on gupax*

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, gambling

<b​asses:matrix.org> dont use it and just mine normally, gupaxx is afork of gupax with more bug fixes and maintainence

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Infinity, come out from the hole your hiding in

<l​ongroadhome:matrix.org> I’ll send him something golden

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> make a ccs proposal for 24 karat golden monero statue

<t​ty:oblak.be> the whole point is to rub it in your face, so he has nothing to gain by making his wealth secret

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Infinity - last change before anyone knows

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I how you’re not trying to pay of that house you bought, probably not since your botnet is running qubic right?

what

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> That’s a pretty big deal for you considering it’s from Minecraft you made your money

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Just remember people deserve to know the truth and for everyone’s interest not just yours, I think we can agree it’s because to pipe down quick

are you on drugs

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Absolutely not dude 🤣

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Would I be one of the largest monero holders in the world by being in DRUGs dude now way

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The point is Infinity is a big part of this community

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Because of…. Market share! ;)

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I have more btw but he still has some

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> When I deter rats, just let me do it in peace ideally bro thank you

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Only the lower class monero users like drug sellers and other peasants we need off the network, we get them off anyway but do get a high just from that thought of destroying they souls the same way we destroyed Alexandra Cazes

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And that poor kid from Taiwan

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> When for a nice holiday in New York, ready to have a good western life

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Went for a nice holiday in New York, ready to have a good western life

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Sgp, if you don’t include me to your funding scheme, you’ll have to switch to wownero quick than you thought

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Congrats on the premine tho

you came and didn't say hello?

so sad

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Fluffy ?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Is it really you? 🙃

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I love South Africans but you

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You’re something special

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You’re actually not a confirmed alt of fluffy yet

i m nioc, who are u

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Noc Nguyen

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> What do you contribute here Nico

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> What do you contribute here Nioc

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I have independent friends but collectively we control monero entirely, you use at least one of our services every transaction you make, you have no choice actually, it’s by design

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Anyway, I know the guy who will be happy for me for saying this

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Head I’ve to tradeogre.com

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Head over to tradeogre.com

There'll be some flat earth speak soon

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Get yourself wownero

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Monero is falling

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Yes flat earth is real

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Especially if you haven’t got at least 1 buguatti

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And don’t watch Andrew rate

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And also have no bought his course on the new word 2.0 out now

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And also have not bought his course on the new word 2.0 out now

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s less than the price of lunch, btw midipeots work is overfunded like hell

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Same as Rucknium, sorry your just not good enough at statistical analysis

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Learning R doesnt do it

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> If you had more autistic guys working in monero it would be good

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Oh wait you try to scam anyone that’s not an alt of yours created to scam general, country and CCS funds from the community.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Oh wait you try to scam anyone that’s not an alt of yours created to scam general, bounty and CCS funds from the community.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> One sec does anyone know why wownero wasn’t advertised as a premine?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s a PoW algorithm

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Oh shit, Infinity, I just found that Snapchat of you at your house, can you stop attacking Monero with 51% fuckery yet?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I have a feeling it will cool down soon

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Oh and that podcast you were on with keemstar!!!!

<e​longated:matrix.org> Hope you feeling better now

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Elongated, you’re track record in the community is awe full

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Elongated, you’re track record in the community is awful

<e​longated:matrix.org> I don’t even have one 😅

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You’re comments are irrelevant

<e​longated:matrix.org> Glad you noticed

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Sweet irony.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Precisely, there are people in this chat that there lives depend on the security of monero, so keep your mouth shut.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> If I am advocating in a way you don’t like you’re welcome to fuck off elsewhere

<e​longated:matrix.org> And your rants don’t help anyone

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> If you’re confused or dont know what to say just assume it doesn’t involve you

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You have no context here, you can allow it to pass and go about your day.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Bro, calm yourself, you just sent three messages saying the exact same thing

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Rants? How do you presume to know who and who I am not helping?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Btw I don’t need to be liked, I don’t care but I still do good here.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> So fuck off if you’re a bitch and can’t handle some productive leveraging of my own resources to protect Monero

<e​longated:matrix.org> Okay ofrnxmr

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> My best friend

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> 🔨

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Should you summon him I shall only cause more pain

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> That doesn’t work here

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Sorry but no

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Jivan, if I had the time, I’d have you drained for fun 🤫

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> 1337 h4x0rz

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> UK based

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> There are a lot of people trying to do business in the UK that you’re putting a downer on right now

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> If you want to try and drain me, have at it, I'll give you a headstart: reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ztah8l/comment/j1de0w2

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Sure I’ll star where I like not with some Reddit like

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Sure I’ll star where I like not with some Reddit link

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Sure I’ll start where I like not with some Reddit link

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Skill issue

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Unlikely

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> whatever u say bro

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The reason for that is sigma time based message with that CVE months ago

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The reason for that is signed time based message with that CVE months ago

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Wanna see it

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> "that" being what, exactly? Do you even coherency?

why has this guy not been banned

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Cindy: Agreed

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> mods are asleep

this is just incoherent spam

like talking to a markov chain or LLM

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> If I could lift the @banhammer:matrix.org , I would, but sadly I am not worthy.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Which part could you not understand?

everything

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I’ll explain with more effort

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You cannot lift such hammer

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Well, for me, the parts I didn't understand started at "the earth is flat"

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Ok, so let’s zoom in

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> And then it just went even further downhill from there

always zoom out

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You want me to help you understand the world

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> No, I don't

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You work by zooming into one thing, let’s do it

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Why would you assume such a thing?

jivan: stop taking the bait

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The nature of your comments

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Only because I don't want to annoy other people with notifs

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> But i'm enjoying myself otherwise

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Supply us both with a unique innovative problem that AI is unlikely to solve

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I will put pants this full for fun

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I will put pants this fool for fun

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> P vs NP, feel free to hop into my DMs

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> No you have earned a public feud, so let’s see what your value is beyond discovering some privacy exploit.

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> I'm not an exhibitionist, daddy. You know where to find me 😘

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I like being called daddy

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> That has earned you some points

<j​ivan:opaline.uk> Can I sell them for Monero? (okay I'm really done now, goodnight)

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And I’m serious when I say that

i have a question for you, violent_AI_model

who is that poor kid from taiwan you talked about

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> How much Monero is that worth to you? We can end on a gentle note then.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Everyone who has ever not died and ran some kind of market is stored now in some kind of controlled governmental limbo in the USA

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Ross is some weird exception

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I think they want him to release his remaining funds

#monero, the place where the animatronic characters here get a bit quirky at night

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Pipe down Cindy

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I’m the daddy here, as explained earlier

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Yes we can be quirky thought I will accept that

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I won’t add any more value tonight, I’ve said enough, if you choose or ignore or neglect, it’s at your own expense not mine, I merely make these references for my future reputation in the privacy community

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And remember dont be a nigger

ending it off with a racial slur, isn't that amazing

<s​martstone:matrix.org> wtf is this chat?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It was a genuine concern for humanity

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Especially Americans

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The IQ points are dangerously low

smartstone: some schizophrenic spammer got free time, just wait until the mods wake up

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> That’s fluffypomy btw

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The founder of monero ^

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Saying something in public

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I have proof but I like keeping most of it to myself

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Fluffy you literally wanted this, just switch to pumping wownero now

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You planned years ahead, smart in most ways tbh 🤷

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Why isn’t monerobull saying something

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> What

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Must be fluffies favorite alt that isn’t botted as much as his

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I wish I was fluffy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> That guy is mega rich

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Actually most of it was seized

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Wownerobull is better though no?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Oh of course it already exists

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Properly planned go in you!

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Properly planned good on you!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Can I go back to doomscrolling now? You interrupted this masterpiece instagram.com/reel/DIqwtDjpIlX

mario vs wario

this is what reminded me of

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Yes

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> A relevant thought process

i mean, the creator of wownero is wowario

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> But this is honestly a perfect reel to send to a chat to make you seem as if you’re a peasant just like them, especially if you’re doomscrolling.

monerobull: how is roblox titanfall meme supposed to be doomscrolling

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Wow, really? That’s incredible, so unique and not at all completely associated with Monero core developers.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Does anyone want to cover why Wownero is not a premine(

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Would love to hear from anyway

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> This guy said I shared the Roblox Titanfall reel to pretend I'm a normy

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Would love to hear from anyone

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Failed again

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Humor is a good way of deterring an audience from then truth, granted

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> instagram.com/reel/DKOSGCfx2J4

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> But how many times does it work on average especially if they look at facts

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I like this one because it's funny and I'm just a girl looking for a rich crypto guy

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You’re fulfilling your anime fantasies of hentai through crypto as a gay South African man who is literally being watched by everyone

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> I honestly don't know how anything in Wownero would affect Monero directly anyway.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> When I say everyone of course I just mean my little grou

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> When I say everyone of course I just mean my little group

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I don't watch hentai, as a monero user I'm not very fond of censorship 😘

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Would you like me to educate you?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Ahh but that’s exactly why you like it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> That doesn't make any sense

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> not even Monero-chan hentai? /s

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Hm now that you've mentioned it

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s only censored in Japan ????

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I wonder if the anti censoring ai has gotten fast enough to run in real time

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> So you are a fan of something that is censored, just like monero.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> No sadly not because any brain need context.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> We only had 3-4 images and I think 2 might be lost media

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> That's why I love China yeah

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The #SaveMonero crew could be doing better

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> By recurring instead of scamming smart people

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> By recruiting instead of scamming smart people

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You love china? Nice what a dipshit

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I’m sure Xi Jingping will destroy its neighboring countries real soon.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Unless that was sarcasm of course in which I hope you recover from your mindset

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Yes I have shorts on tsmc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The invasion will make me even richer than fluffy

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Aww

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Don’t compare

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Fluffy wanted instant gratification

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> It's not as if China and the US are very different in terms of freedom of expression and privacy. The only difference is that the US tries to appear to have freedom of expression and privacy, and we don't know as much about the Chinese government's leaders dirty dealings (in the case of Xi, for example) as we know about American leaders.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Most of his XMR is gone

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Respectfully, stop, I’m making a more productive point,

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Respectfully, stop, I’m making a more productive point.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The core team here run several bothers or if you don’t they’ve partnered with botnet owners to keep Monero relevant, I’m not saying this is OK, but if they start framing people it’s a nigger move.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The core team here run several botnet or if you don’t they’ve partnered with botnet owners to keep Monero relevant, I’m not saying this is OK, but if they start framing people it’s a nigger move.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The core team here run several botnet or if they don’t they’ve partnered with botnet owners to keep Monero relevant, I’m not saying this is OK, but if they start framing people it’s a nigger move.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Especially when the main nigger has already been told not to involve himself, but has continued to do so anyway.

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> In this case we’re talking about the white nigger that is fluffypony.

how do botnet owners keep monero relevant?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Good question

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> They keep the RandomX hash rate very high which is optimized for the average computer

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s not a GPU effective alorigthm

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You need RAM and CPU generally

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> High clock low core is fine

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> So perfect for an infective community

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> So perfect for an infective community

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Do you have a problem with botnets (decentralization) or something else?

asic manufacturers benefit from bitcoin too

I don't get your point tbh

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It seems fluffy and his associates do not have a problem with botnets

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It seems to directly benefit the 12000xmr he has left

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Less the tail emission

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I think the general adoption of the coin thought innovative developments like COMIT and Haveno protocol would maybe better use of moneros spare ‘resources’

i mean

it's intentionally not GPU efficient

nor ASIC-efficient

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> But the team are fairly useless, that’s why I even bring up wownero as a joke, to have a good product you need a good team and the reality is that monero can be forked and will be

obviously lol :P

without forks, you cant improve a network

so monero supports forks

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And it actually has already with make decentralization benefits

y'know how many hard forks monero has had?

like 11 or so

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It won’t be improving fluffys network but it will make a better privacy ecosystem

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> We are very much against providing fluffy with any more cash to corrupt his living style actually 🥳

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Aim is for monero deflationary now, and to introduce something probably at least with a DAO that is honest.

so for summary

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Oh

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Let’s hear it from Cindy

the reason why you're all against monero is because you're jealous of fluffy's XMR wallet

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> No, actually it’s his crazy approach towards managing the XMR community

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Wdym by manage?

also i'd like to give you an award

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> He provides the illusion of no involvement

for The Person In #monero Who Managed to Say A Racial Slur 3 Times in a Row

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I have factual evidence against all of this

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I don’t care if the nigger has some

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Cash left over

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> He is running everything exactly how he was when he started

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I don’t need to prove it to anyone, but I can leverage it for myself lie I would any other opertunity

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I don’t need to prove it to anyone, but I can leverage it for myself like I would any other opertunity

<g​rommet:matrix.org> I get that devs and major asset holders can maintain a large degree of influence over a project but I don't see how one could argue that he controls it or has the final say when it's foss software at the end of the day

i mean, it's not just him

it's a commitee of people

like luigi1111

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The devs are not a major asset holder unless they also understand business they way fluffy does

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s not a committee of people

grommet: PoS makes it very easy to maintain a large degree of influence :P

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s an illusion of several complete pseudonyms

<g​rommet:matrix.org> But xmr is pow tho

i know

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> All operated by the same entity

just criticizing other cryptocurrencies that have PoS

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Some powered by AI

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> POW, PoS, PoH

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s all the same crap

anyway i've had enough of this guy's schizophrenic and racist talk

you should get off your iphone

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> No one has cracked the algorithm of life yet, but concatenated in some complex way, sure these might all contribute

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Cindy the true skitzophrenic

<g​rommet:matrix.org> I'm just waiting for FCMPs to come out

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> What’s your main contributions?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Let us evaluate them for you?

i see iphone quotes

you're either an iphone user, or an LLM because LLMs use those kinds of quotes too

including mdashes

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You’re waiting for post apocalyptic stuff dude 🤣

<g​rommet:matrix.org> It does seem like it's been forever

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> In good that you recognize some AI patterns, they don’t fit, what you’re explanation?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s good that you recognize some AI patterns, they don’t fit, what you’re explanation?

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Tbf though larger ring signatures is unnecessary. Chain analysis can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt who made a transaction. There is always plausible deniability.

larger is better than smaller :P

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> And what proof do you have for this schizophrenic theory of yours? It seems like you're just ragebaiting. If you have such proof, why haven't you shown it yet? @violent_fairy:matrix.org

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> No there isn’t, there is a botnet live right now that ensure with more than 51% probability that your transaction with be tracked.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Not good enough evidence in court

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> No I don’t require proof like this as I have leverage one cannot aquire such leverage and adequately attain such influence

51% attacks do not impact ring signatures

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Prove it

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Lol

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You lol but listen

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> ragebait used to be convincing...

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Cindy prove that ring signatures cannot

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Be impacted in a 51% attach

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Cindy prove that ring signatures cannot
Be impacted in a 51% attack

i want you to prove why they can :P

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I love this, Low Degree, what have you worked on?

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Is your idea that a 51% attack could be used to change the codebase to decrypt past transactions or something?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Ok so you’re slightly analytical, I can prove the current state of ring signatures are not working but I want you to give me your best short first

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> and how can you prove that it affects RingCT?

grommet: 51% attacks can not change the coinbase

codebase*

it only changes the network consenus, like a partial hard fork

and that alone isn't enough to break ring signatures

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Thought not but it's been a while since I researched all this

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Ring signatures narrow down to 10 people

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Or entities 🙄

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Even if it was just narrowed down to two people that would still be good enough

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> I never worked on Monero directly, the most I did was make some comments and talk about news on r/Monero, I deleted my account because I no longer want to use centralized social networks. And you?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Then use Lemmy

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> And fuck off

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I think there is some cancer like monero.town

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Decentralized like fuck that is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why the ping?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> I got banned from it

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Here is is

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> The lord all of shit

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> I have the impression that you are someone from Zcash or some scammer who failed to scam Monero users or was an idiot who ended up leaving Monero to go to another crypto and ended up regretting it.

effective ring signature is 4.2 (OSPEAD research)

<e​longated:matrix.org> Ban hammer

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> OfrnAI and its derivatives such as those on Reddit like Snowwanker

lowdegree: or a troll trying to waste our time

with dumb shit

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Banner hammer only words for idiots

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> I use :D

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> But did you get past that hurdle with this channel? 😔

if you dont give them attention, they'll start pinging specific users to drag them in and get their attention

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Driving right now, be home in 30

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Dont go home

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s not worth it

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Better to go back the the Pacific Ocean

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> It's most likely, but I have nothing to do right now and I want to see where this goes, lol

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Will monero devs ever force miners to use p2pool to make 51% attacks impossible? It would at least shut the fudders up.

no

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> antimoonboy.com/posts/aotpo29

because that'd create a permissioned system

there was some guy on the PoW issue on MRL that suggested turning monero mining into a pyramid scheme

<g​rommet:matrix.org> What does that mean?

grommet: only people who fit a certain requirement can mine

a system where only people who fit a certain requirement can mine*

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Isn't it permissioned already in the sense that you need a cpu to mine?

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> RandomX don't make this?

not really

I have convinced at least 2 people to switch to p2pool :)

shilling it hard, bcz its great

RandomX is designed to be efficient to mine in CPUs, yeah

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> No, I recognize who runs Qubic, he’s living in California, I recognize other problem in the monero community does as fluffy. The most crazy shit is when I release why the content length of binarybaron compiled monero binaries don’t match reality.

but if you want, you can make a garbage CPU based off of RandomX in ASIC and try to mine with that

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> "RandomX don't make this?"

no, not you lowdegree

i'm responding to grommet

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> So I’ll just go ahead release that now on the record

RandomX is an entire CPU on its own

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Would p2pool not be permissioned if it was directly integrated into the xmr codebase or something? I don't really get the distinction of what makes something permissioned

like, a CISC CPU, that is implemented as a virtual machine most times

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> You’re purposefully trying to direct the conversation to elsewhere

grommet: no, you need to somehow fingerprint p2pool users and write that into the network consenus

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> I had forgotten the quotes, as I've seen many people (Bitcoin Maxis in general) saying that Monero needs permission because it uses RandomX.

to be like "only p2pool users can mine, or else your blocks will be orphaned"

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> People it’s enter to use xmr.social

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> People it’s better to use xmr.social

lowdegree: RandomX is more like a soft permission, because you can make an ASIC that mines RandomX

but it won't be as efficient as modern CPUs

because modern cosumer CPUs are made by giant corporations with departments dedicated to optimizing their hardware as much as they can

<g​rommet:matrix.org> I don't get why that's bad though. Is it seemingly unfair to long time miners or people who don't/can't update their systems?

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> Yeah and use the banlist too, it stops the 51% attack from working 🤣

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Like changing userspace on a linux update?

and ASIC manufacturers can not compete with that, their design will be leagues away from Intel's

grommet: most people frown upon arbitrary requirements

<v​iolent_fairy:matrix.org> It’s not relevant to topic, the ban list that rucknium created introduces the ability for the core team to again control the monero network

<g​rommet:matrix.org> It's not arbitrary though. It's essential to maintaining network security. We can never be completely sure that a 51% attack won't happen otherwise.

and also like pools can spoof themselves to be p2pool

you can never actually assume a miner is mining via p2pool unless you tightly integrate the network with p2pool's chain

<g​rommet:matrix.org> That's what I'm suggesting

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Mining is such an essential part of a PoW crypto that it seems strange not to have a highly permissioned system in regards to how it functions.

<l​owdegree:matrix.org> It's optional and nothing stops you from using your own node (if they wanted to censor nodes, do you really think they would reinforce that people should use their own nodes?).

<g​rommet:matrix.org> The monero network itself is p2p, why not the mining?

i don't honestly know ^^;

<t​orir:matrix.org> There are technically three p2pools. Because p2pool was not tightly integrated with Monero, it left the chain free to do innovations like creating three versions of the pool for miners of different speeds. If it were tightly integrated it would require coordination with the main network to do things like that.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> For varying speeds? Doesn't that just affect how often blocks are mined and how distributed the payouts are? How would that even apply to a p2p pool?

<g​rommet:matrix.org> But anyways I think having that coordination would be a good thing at the end of the day.

there are 3 p2pool chains

for main, mini, nano

so you'd need integration with all 3 of them

<t​orir:matrix.org> Also, mining pools can mine to p2pool undetectably with the current version, it would require just as much effort to try to force everyone to use p2pool as it would be to fight pool centralization some other way. If not more, since bundling p2pool with the Monero node software makes an already complex program even more complex.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Hmm. Even if the current implementation of p2pool wouldn't work exactly, I still think the principle of having a mining system that's decentralized by force is an interesting concept. It always struck me as an obvious failure point of other cryptos like bitcoin for example and it seems to easily avoidable, in theory at least.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Hmm. Even if the current implementation of p2pool wouldn't work exactly, I still think the principle of having a mining system that's decentralized by force is an interesting concept. It always struck me as an obvious failure point of other cryptos like bitcoin for example and it seems to be easily avoidable, in theory at least.

<t​orir:matrix.org> I don't actually think mining pools are a bad thing, personally. EXCEPT for the whole tendency to centralization, mining pools have a lot of benefits. To be clear, I think for Monero we should still develop ways to discourage pool mining, and I wouldn't say no to banning pools entirely, but I wouldn't say no to a solution that still permitted pools while preventing centralization.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Is it true that bitcoin has more LoC than monero or is chatgpt hallucinating on me again?

download both source codes, do wc -l

dont rely on a LLM

<t​orir:matrix.org> `wc --lines $(find . -iname \*.cpp)` implies they are both about the same size.

<t​orir:matrix.org> 216k of CPP code in Monero, 219k in Bitcoin.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Exluding documentation and non-code stuff. Caveats: comparing lines of code is a flawed way to compare two projects. Even two projects in the same language might, for instance, differ in density of comments or format the code differently. Lines of code also can't express how much review and research went into the code.

<t​orir:matrix.org> There are concepts such as ELoC (effective lines of code), but that too is often of fairly fairly limited use.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Fair points. Still interesting to consider how minimal it is overall to something like a web browser though. Makes me question the whole complexity argument.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Fair points. Still interesting to consider how minimal it is overall compared to something like a web browser though. Makes me question the whole complexity argument.

<t​orir:matrix.org> It's complex software, but a fair amount of complexity is in the crypto, when crypto code tends to be fairly small compared to other types of code.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Yeah obviously there's not nearly as much math or cryptography that goes into browser development and there are well documented web specs that are only a matter of dedication to implement. Not really cutting edge stuff for most of it.

<t​orir:matrix.org> I've heard it said that better programmers write less code. It really is hard to measure anything from the code itself.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Of course... we could start vibe coding Monero. AI tends to copy and paste and duplicate stuff all over. That would definitely make the Monero project bigger. /s

<t​orir:matrix.org> Then we could have a CCS for cleaning up all the vibed code.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Great idea!

windows has a new update where it will brick your SSD

the benefits of vibe-coding :P

<g​rommet:matrix.org> I've heard that the original xmr codebase is actually quite janky.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> I've heard that the original xmr codebase is actually quite janky, so that ccs idea sounds pretty good tbh

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Glad I stopped using windows many years ago.

<g​rommet:matrix.org> Anyways gn bros