ofrnxmr: why did violent_fairy shut up

did he get banned?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Seems they got tired of the conversation ignoring them. They don't appear to have been banned.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Violentfairy got banned, yeah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS:mon…mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social Torir

<t​orir:matrix.org> How did I miss that?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> stealthy

i knew it

violent_fairy would never shut up

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Violentfairy is kewbit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fun fact: i have kewbit the nickname "qtip", and the nickname has recently been 51%'d by qubic (ppl are refering to qubic as qtip)

<s​haver:midov.pl> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…34b27795233cad311958030300550266880

<s​haver:midov.pl> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…d2aba0ff0f7db9a81958030325653176320

<s​haver:midov.pl> hi guys, just wondering if this is normal

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yes, your monerod daemon is not mining

<s​haver:midov.pl> then why does it say that i'm mining in the Advanced menu?

<s​haver:midov.pl> Also, when I stop and start mining, I can actually hear the difference in my computer fans.

<s​haver:midov.pl> so then what is it doing?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> You are mining with a mining program (xmrig). Via p2pool.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> P2pool interface with monerod but monerod is **not mining** as you likely use xmrig for that.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> [@shaver:midov.pl](https://matrix.to/#/@shaver:midov.pl) monerod is the daemon that allow all your monero related thing to use the monero network.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Fan ramping up is normal while you are mining

<s​haver:midov.pl> oh so i didn't know that there's these separate protocols for mining? 🤔

<s​haver:midov.pl> so basically, I am mining, but with xmrig

<s​haver:midov.pl> That status is just telling me that I am not mining using monerod

<s​haver:midov.pl> correct?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Correct. Different programs for different tasks. While monerod can mine, its not the best for that purpose.

<s​haver:midov.pl> Ok.

<s​haver:midov.pl> Thanks for the explanation 👍️

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Monerod is what connect you to the monero network

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> GM

is there still work to be done in Monero ? Or is it mostly finished with little space for new contributors ?

Plenty to do.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> github.com/monero-project/monero/issues

<e​ddie:oblak.be> and that's only the monerod implementation, there're so many other things to do besides it

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> get the whole world to know how monero is the best cryptocurrency

can you suggest some things to do ? I'm a recent CS graduate, I want to contribute to Monero but I don't know where to start. Should I mine ? Should I run Monero Nodes ?  Or maybe make pull requests on Monero Github ?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> participate in the monero research lab

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I am tracking the evolution of hashrate rentals by miningrigrentals since a few days. I created a simple graph, might make it more dynamic later .. imgur.com/a/9IHCgeS

<e​ddie:oblak.be> racional-poi, start with running a node and do some mining. Then descend deeper down the rabbit hole :D

eddie is it possible to have better y axis labeling?

<d​iw_tim:matrix.org> I've often wondered what would happen if an overwhelming number of people joined the MRL. Would no single proposal gain consensus leading to progress to become stunted (like Bitcoin)?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> nioc, next time will fix that, you're right

thx for doing this :)

<d​iw_tim:matrix.org> If Monero were to become extremely popular, what would ensure that proposals regarding changes to the protocol can be decided fairly?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "rough consensus" is a subjective interpretation of the opinion of anyone, but not everyone the same weight

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "rough consensus" is a subjective interpretation of the opinion of anyone, but not everyone have the same weight in the discussion

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> naturally, long standing members opinions value more than newcomers, tho effective arguments/explanations are still considered equally

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i.e. if a literal who newcomer say they are against X proposal, not one will care, but if ArticMine says they are against then there is matter to discuss

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The end result also has weight. Monero could implement a 50% dev fee and POS, and then nobody would run the hard fork

<e​ddie:oblak.be> This is actually something I have always found very attractive in crypto, essentially miners vote by running some version of the node

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> huh, am i missing something on p2pool working or someone rogue that finds a block can just keep the whole reward to themselves?

You are missing something. If someone mined a block, they can't change the payout transaction without making that block invalid

<c​rz:matrix.org> ofrnAI: can you msg me PM thanks!

<c​rz:matrix.org> ofrnAI: can you msg me PM thanks! 🙃

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> could a transaction in the txpool be reverted? or it's safe-ish to assume once it's there (for example, as soon as it's shown on merchant mode) it will get commited and confirmed?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> just no way to prove it's double spend i guess?

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> depending on the value of the tx and who sent it I would wait for 1-10 confirmations to feel safe

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> I heard kraken now waits for 720 confirmations

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> yeah, 10 confirmations is the *de facto* to be considered done, but waiting 20 minutes would be kinda insane to wait on a shop for example xD

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> even 2 minutes is kinda long ngl

<b​lurt4949:matrix.org> This is referred to as "0-conf" transactions. There was tons of debate in the Bitcoin community as to whether they're secure back in 2018-ish and prior, look it up and you should find tons. Also see the BCH community for pro-0-conf arguments. Basically the conclusion is that they're sorta secure, though only really trustworthy for lower-value transactions

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> being that "lower-value" just a matter of risk that I would be willing to take?

<b​lurt4949:matrix.org> Sort of, but also the fact that the complexities of trying to double spend is not really worth it for the benefit, if the value is small enough. Though 0-conf is much safer for in-person transactions than online ones.

Make sense run Monero node pruned on Docker in my laptop? I wanna see p2p connections

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you can run the daemon in docker, but if you want to persist the blockchain you mount the database into it

<e​ddie:oblak.be> and you will want to persist the chain, otherwise you need to download it again every time you recreate the container ..

Yeah, I'll mount a volumen for persistence, but my questions is if will I be able to see the p2p conections ?

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if you do your networking right, yes

Thank you, Eddie