<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> i need to find out how to keep my monero now that kraken has said it weill be delisted

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> any help will be greatly appreciated

put in in an opensource wallet

<e​xplodius:matrix.org> use feather wallet.

<e​xplodius:matrix.org> docs.featherwallet.org

it's not yours if it's on kraken

yes, feather is good

<e​xplodius:matrix.org> cakewallet is good too for phones

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay thank you. i also saw something online about retoswap. is it different?

it's not a wallet

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> i think i have something on exodus

it's for p2p trading

exodus I believe is closed source

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> ah okay...so that means i can't store xmr on retoswap?

no

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> so it is not private?

it's not a wallet, it's a p2p trading platform

when you make a wallet and before you send anything there make sure you write down your seed and store it somewhere safe

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay thanks

then write it down again and store it in a different safe location

you can do it a 3rd time if you like

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay thank you. is featherwallet difficult to use? i have very little tech knowledge. what about cakewallet? is it easier?

without a seed or saved keys you will not have access to your xmr if something happens to your wallet, wheter corruption or your computer falls in a vat of acid

feather is relatively easy

there is also a feather channel

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay i guess i will try to set it up. then i guess i will go to kraken and transfer it to the featherwallet.

I am on IRC and it is on the OFTC irc network #feather

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> oh thanks

it's bridged to matrix

you can ask feather related questions there

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> i'm embarrassed to have to say that i have no idea what that means

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay thanks

we all start somewhere :)

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> how do i get to the featherwallet chat?

I am not familiar with matrix sorry, hopefully someone else can help you with that

x​mrhelp2025 featherwallet.org is the website, there may be links there to the matrix channel

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> nioc -> is featherwallet using the latest version of wallet2? v0.18.4.2 removed `find_and_save_rings()` and I don't think feather wallet has reflected this change yet

don't know

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> nvm feather wallet fixed this 2 years ago:

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> feather-wallet/monero e3c42cf

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> feather-wallet/monero 1cb3600

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> nioc -> is feather wallet using the latest version of wallet2? v0.18.4.2 removed `find_and_save_rings()` and I don't think feather wallet has reflected this change yet

thx

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> i tried installing featherwallet and got an invalid signature

<c​hiefprivacy:matrix.org> Best OS for CPU mining?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The one you like

<c​hiefprivacy:matrix.org> Best OS for CPU mining? I want to run my mini PC as a headless server. Already tried RPi OS full and Ubuntu, neither would show up on my network.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> More info plz

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not sure why they wouldnt show up aside from .. 🤷‍♂️. Dont know enough about your setup

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> windows can get better hashrates than linux, macos and linux both work fine, windows likes to do what it wants instead of what you tell it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Best os is the one you like

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont like windows and dont use macs. I use like 5 different linux distros for absolutely no reason at all

<c​hiefprivacy:matrix.org> I refuse to use windows, to invasive of your privacy.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> when i tried to verify with kleopatra after downloading the signature it said it was invalid.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so youre question is best linux distro?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Where did you download from?

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> the featherwallet links

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There have been fake feather websites, but i dont think any have served modifies binaries yet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So the verification issue is "probably" missing steps or a mistake on your end

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (idk what kleopatra is. I verify things from the command line)

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> how should i proceed? i am not tech savy.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> should i delete everything from explorer and try to start over?

you should try more powerful kernel such as linux-zen and check your system config

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> are you using windows?

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> yes

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> you can check and compare the signature using the properties tab

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> right click the binary -> show more options -> properties -> digital signatures

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> at first it was certified as valid by kleopatra but the instructions said to go back and download the signature. when i did so kleopatra said it was invalid.

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> is the fingerprint `8185 E158 A333 30C7 FD61 BC0D 1F76 E155 CEFB A71C`?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> I assume you're following this guide:

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> docs.featherwallet.org/guides/windows

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> yes

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> yes

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> you have the legitimate binary. you can cross-check using these sources:

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> docs.featherwallet.org/guides/release-signing-key

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> if you really want to make sure you can ask @tobtoht:monero.social (maintainer of feather wallet) in #feather:monero.social

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> I'm not sure how long it will take for him to respond

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> i am here

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> oh sorry

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> what is the difference btw the release signing key and the fingerprint?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> the signing key is used to create the signature by the wallet maintainer, while the fingerprint is a string you can use to check if the release signing key pair public key used to sign the binary is correct

why would somebody use windows in 2025

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> why would kleopatra tell me first it is certified and then that it is invalid?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> if the fingerprint matches multiple trustworthy sources, then the public key used to sign that binary is valid :)

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> I'm not sure

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> I followed the part in the instructions that says to go back and click on signature. Did I open it in the wrong way?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> is this after certifying `featherwallet.asc`?

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> I am not sure. I thought it was after certifying the .exe version.

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> I'll try to verify in a vm

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> wait a min

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> Valid signature by dev⊙fo

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> It worked for me. I think I know what the issue might be. Make sure `FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe` and `FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe.asc` are in the same directory

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> Windows Defender might've deleted the setup binary causing it to fail

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> how do I do that?

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> I have kaspersky

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> Did kaspersky delete the setup binary or is it in your Downloads folder?

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> it's in the downloads folder

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> Is `FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe.asc` there?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> featherwallet.org/files/releases/wi…er/FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe.asc

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> yes it is there

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> Try opening it again with Kleopatra

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> Tell me what the error is if the signature check fails

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> how do i open it with kleopatra?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> right click then open with kleopatra

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> it should show the logo

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> in explorer

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> it says valid signature

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> all done!

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> great!

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> but why did it say invalid before?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> weird I'm not sure

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> if it shows valid now then whatever happened before doesn't matter

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Maybe it downloaded wrong?

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay good. thanks for your help.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> I have several copies (with the number added to the file name) in downloads. I think it happened when I had kleopatra match the downloaded signature with the first file.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> the first one had a feather logo and the other ones, like the featherwallet.asc have a lock.

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> btw when you make your wallet, never share your seed with anyone. it doesn't matter what scenario you're in, protect that seed with your life. I also recommend storing the seed offline

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> if someone accesses your seed, they can steal all your funds

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> private key as well!

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> should I delete the duplicate files?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> your choice

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> it doesn't really matter. you can install feather and it should all work fine now

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay great. i guess i will delete them as they are just taking up space.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> thanks again for your help. i will continue with the wallet set up and then hopefully be able to get my monero into it. it is currently in kraken and i think there is a bit in a exodus wallet.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> i'm just doing everything on windows for now so as not to complicate things with linux. i plan to move it to linux later. i guess that is more private.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> I will check back if I have any problems. Thanks again for your help. Cheers.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> should i extend my seed with a passphrase?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Depends on your threat model. If you need to store the seed somewhere that might be compromised, then it's probably a good idea. You'll need to have both to recover the wallet.

<t​orir:matrix.org> You can store the seed in one place and the passphrase in another. Splitting the treasure map into two pieces, and you need both to find the treasure.

<t​orir:matrix.org> In my opinion, it usually isn't necessary to use a seed passphrase.

<t​orir:matrix.org> If you are storing enough funds to warrant the extra security, you'll probably benefit more from a hardware wallet or an offline (cold) wallet.

<x​mrhelp2025:matrix.org> Understood! Thank you for your reply :).

<b​asses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/monero-wallet/30449/2

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Everything is open source: the hardware device itself, the firmware, the client. You can literally build the entire Trezor devices yourself. The files for the 3d printable case is on Trezor’s github, along with the schematics for the circuit boards and all of the little electrical parts needed to make your own.

<b​asses:matrix.org> This is true?

<l​awstar:matrix.org> Running a privacy-first crypto(XMR) escrow platform just need the right backer to scale. Open to discussing revenue-share with serious investors only.

lawstar: what would your platform offer over just using multisig

and a bunch of arbitrators

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hello i am serious investors only where do i sign up

<l​awstar:matrix.org> Buying and selling platform

okay so... what do you offer over haveno?

<l​awstar:matrix.org> Xmrbazaar alternative

<e​ddie:oblak.be> so it's about selling / buying products using monero, not selling / buying monero

<e​ddie:oblak.be> ?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> you cross posted the same message from telegram in monero-mining

just make it now

and then put fees on it later :P

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> take my money already , i want a 1% stake in the company for 300 thousands dolllars (cash)

retoswap did that

and xmrbazaar hasn't

<l​awstar:matrix.org> Yes

<l​awstar:matrix.org> Yes💯

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> good outreach for serious investors

yes 100%

serious investors would probably laugh

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hello sharks

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im not laughing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you would think that sentence implies im a big investor

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you're not a serious investor then

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but actually i agree with you and since i don't laugh that means im'n ot a serious investor

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ahem

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i love you eddie

<e​ddie:oblak.be> hold your horse lets go on a date first 🤣

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> anyone want to go halves with me? 0.5% each for 150k?

<l​awstar:matrix.org> Interested parties are welcome to discuss revenue share.

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/mjeqffrksUJPPUCerotqDxJJ

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> nobfg9000 images don't work on matrix

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> I really want to see chud from beyond can you upload it on something else

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> piece of art

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> using web version?

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> I'm on Element iOS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im sorry for your loss

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> anyway, for me images only seems to works on desktop app

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its darkhaired cfb

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> be careful cfb and his minions read all these logs

<t​allhatdoug:matrix.org> we don't want to get sergey chud angry!

<b​asses:matrix.org> lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> nothing ever happens

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> wublock.substack.com/p/monero-hit-by-a-51-hashrate-attack hitjob articles continue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Did mbll write that one :P haha

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> 7hs.com/s/nxnad59k.png

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> I was just testing image uploads on matrix

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> for another chat room

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> but this is something I made for /biz/, I think I said something like "10 mins into randomx and chill and he gives you this look" or "when a monero shill says something so decentralized you gotta hit em with the jimmy neutron stare"

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> hi all, what's your thoughts on that new CARF thing that the UK is rolling out?

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> I actually think it will drive the price of especially monero up

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> not that trading for the prices etc is really something I'm interested in, but I don't think it will kill off crypto/monero in general as I've seen a few people elsewhere fearing

<t​esttank:matrix.org> What’s that

I believe that the US already does something like this

Cryptoasset Reporting Framework (CARF)

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> it's some new legislation about reporting/regulating/taxing crypto exchanges gov.uk/government/publications/cryp…ryptoasset-reporting-framework-carf

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> but the TLDR of it is, it's going to make regular crypto (which I guess isn't really private) even worse and the UK gov will be just directly watching everything

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> I think it does, but from what I've read online this UK one seems slightly more intrusive in some aspects, especially the taxation side. it might just be fearmongering though (that it's worse than the US laws) so I might look even more into it

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> still, I don't think it will really effect monero

<t​esttank:matrix.org> 1984 vibes

the US is gutting the irs so that the money people don't have to pay so.....

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> yup

<d​anny:sutcliffe.xyz> pretty much like every other gov service in the US at the moment lol

<s​overeign-project:matrix.org> Would anybody be interested in a Linux PAM module that granted access via a valid Monero digital signature and optionally a Monero proof-of-payment?

what

for what use case is this

<d​oug:authbot.org> Secure Linux machines via a Proof-of-Power protocol.

<d​oug:authbot.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…uthbot.org/pPRHlpPYwpEQOwxSdEZvKLqI

<s​overeign-project:matrix.org> Yep that's it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> where this pic from? feeling a bit sus

<s​overeign-project:matrix.org> I had a friend grab it from the I2P eepsite.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Is anyone interested in a this loaf of bread?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Wow, this is totally wild plowsof, Tell me more!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Yep! you got it plowsof. you see its a loaf of bread, fresh out the oven!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what is the point of this^^^^

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> irc can't see the screenshot - my brain is fried after seeing it combined with sovereign and @doug:authbot.org pcre talking to each other about it , are you all human and not the same person?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> for irc the image / project theyre talking about ri.nadeko.net/a/KviYHrg

soon(tm) IRC will see the images

<b​asses:matrix.org> the irc-matrix bridge maintainer probably retired

I wish

It has been working all this time in p2pool channels, it just needs to sync up to current monero state :D

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> isn't proof of power kinda the same of proof of work? since work requires power xD

<e​longated:matrix.org> We need proof of loaf

<b​asses:matrix.org> D​ataHoarder, u are saying monero didnt update their bridge bot as some other rooms that use same bridge has it working?

MsM Money securing Money

what the actual fuck is this graph

i can't tell if they were trolling or being serious lol

<d​oug:authbot.org> Yes.

23:23:11 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> D​ataHoarder, u are saying monero didnt update their bridge bot as some other rooms that use same bridge has it working?

I didn't. I developed a new bridge, to replace what we have

It has been tested for the past few months.

Not happy for it to be full production ready, so will just roll it over channels slowly. But it's vastly better than what we have

the other rooms don't use the same bridge