<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Hello. I would like to get more monero. I wonder if having more DEX / CEX platforms could help me to find more.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Hello. What is the best monero client please?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the official monero client of course getmonero.org/downloads

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> or feather wallet if you want something more light

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> great point! Thank you I was going there! sorry for not getting you in touch.

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I personally prefer feather wallet because it has support for Tor, I2P, multiple nodes, etc etc

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> so choose between those two

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> gogo ^

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Transaction Status

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> new

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> should I wait for?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> thank you for the information. I currently use native monero wallet because I can combine it within whoniw whith no fear of 3 nodes

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I really really hope I did not sent to wrong address!

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yes

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> it takes like 15-20 minutes to get 10 confirmations

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> great thank you!!

addresses have checksums that make it harder to actually send to a wrong (invalid) address

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the person that you sent the money can also see the transaction and the money they received on their wallet as long it has 1 confirmation (I think)

0 confirm

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> thanks

as soon as it's in the txpool i thik

think*

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and after 10 transactions the person that received the money can use it

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> right Cindy?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> 10 confirmations*, Sorry

well technically they can use it before

but 10 confirmations is enough to confirm that it is a valid spend

at least right now

It's up to the receiver how many confirmations they want, if they want more. If the biggest pool Qubic is at 33% at times, I'd want 67 confirmations for that as per the tentative table at gist.github.com/impredicative/0907e1699f5ff97a9fed5dee20393266

^

it's up to the receiver really

but clients use 10 as a standard

Evolver: also this guy looks like he just posts dumb shit from LLMs

well if you find a flaw in it, lmk

because I don't

i would not take this as primary information, because it sounds way too outlandish

67 confirmations is 2 hours

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hello Cindy

It scales up progressively

by 46%, it's over a day

hi recanman

most services actually expire invoices after 24 hours

or less even

They expire if no confs are received

if it's at 0

If it's at >0, but less than their requirement, that's murky.

it's time-based, not conf-based for most

you can go say that to Kraken that asked for 720 confs

for what token

For Monero

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I did not had any confitmation yet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> still now

well i see

that is about 24 hours

of confirmations

but to be fair, they are a CEX, not a general service

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> is my monero address not wrong?

Cindy: it makes no difference if it's a CEX or not. One person's Monero is not more valuable than other person's.

you don't understand me

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I just transfered 0.004 eth to my monero wallet. Is it normal it took too much time?

they are a CEX who can tolerate the massive amounts of confs

the average person wouldn't

you'd be putting users at risk by asking them to demand less

based on the risk posed

that may be true

gogo2464: eth to monero?

how does that worko

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> yes

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I have been at cyphergoat.com

did they give a TXID?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> a what?

transaction ID

<t​orir:matrix.org> See "Table: Duration of meta attack to achieve attack success probability of 50 percent" at monero-project/research-lab #102#issuecomment-2402750881 for some more data on how many confirmations you may want to accept.

okay this looks like something that was not shat out by an LLM

nice work ruck does

<t​orir:matrix.org> 720 blocks for confirmation is overkill. Although, in the case of an actual 51%, like happened to Firo, it might help protect the exchange by forcing the attacker to maintain 51% for longer to pull off a double spend against the exchange. However, I think Kraken is just being very conservative. Probably they don't have the resources to properly investigate the Qubic situation and <clipped message>

<t​orir:matrix.org> do due diligence and so they picked a large and definitely safe number.

yeah, it's 24 hours worth of confirmations

it's way too long, but fair in their positio

<t​orir:matrix.org> Still faster than some fiat deposit methods.

720 confs would be terrible for day-to-day transactions

well.. literal day-to-day

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I do not see any transaction ID where should I look?

gogo2464: where are you able to even look at the transaction

is it on their site or your wallt

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ah yes I understand. the txid is e92ab891-fff6-43ed-bcdb-390c7e710842

on your wallet or site?

If I am not mistaken, it comes down to what probability you're willing to accept. If I read correctly, the table in the issue uses 0.5 probability of any one double spend. The code in the gist uses a configurable probability of 1e-6.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Just tested, CypherGoat produces URLs like cyphergoat.com/transaction/23ac3deb-d676-40bb-a4b9-3599b8c3eec5 which embed a transaction id.

so that's cyphergoat's txid

not monero's txid

<t​orir:matrix.org> Yeah.

<t​orir:matrix.org> cyphergoat.com/transaction/e92ab891-fff6-43ed-bcdb-390c7e710842

okay it looks like cyphergoat is just a exchange aggregator

the actual exchange is bitcoinvn

it says waiting

<t​orir:matrix.org> Just so you know, by sharing your exchange transaction ID, you might have just shared your ETH address to this whole chat, but only if you sent ETH to the exchange address. Since we can see the destination ETH address the exchange wants.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Perhaps for your threat model that doesn't matter. We still can't see your Monero transactions at all.

there is no transactions to this one-time address

you sure you sent the ETH?

<t​orir:matrix.org> It looks like you either didn't send any ETH or maybe it went to the wrong address.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> The payment request?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> monero:XXX

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> it is loading yes

did you send?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> it is for testing

<t​orir:matrix.org> Fair enough.

ah

i see

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> do I send the monero:XXXX

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ?

the what

monero what

<t​orir:matrix.org> IRC side cannot see Matrix replies.

<t​orir:matrix.org> IRC: This was in response to <C​indy> you sure you sent the ETH?

oh

what about monero though

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> the eth has not been sent

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> The transaction is loading

loading?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Sorry, "it is loading yes" was in response to that mesage.

well this is super confusing :P

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> no it is

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Transaction Status

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> new

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> do you want my monero txtid?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> of format monero:XXX

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ?

what txid are you going to have if they haven't even sent anything yet

even then it would be useless to me

(cuz monero is private)

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I just want to ensure the monero:XXX is not private?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> the generated link is bitcoinvn.io/orders/8368267d-3f69-494a-b12f-9a2c91f65ac0

yes

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> they have no sent nothing no

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Cindy: it is this : monero:88avvvaJ1XxQmwkK9MWRWCPkGpJXfYtFzBCeZpc4pyTzTvpUtVXw9RxRziLjMQ43MwVaW3tTwBPebHABHtxQfqHTDUDFgGn

that's not a txid, that's a subaddress

are you.. sending XMR to convert to ETH?

or sending ETH to convert to XMR

<t​orir:matrix.org> The exchange can see your Monero address, yes. Use a different Monero address for doing exchanges than for doing other transactions. However, the Monero address is *not* visible on the blockchin.

^

use a subaddress, which you have here

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Cindy no I convert eth to monero

well, the exchange can see your address, but that's about it

nobody can see your transactions on the chain

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> sure yes pelase

<t​orir:matrix.org> The exchange can see your address. There will not be a Monero transaction ID until you have sent the ETH to the exchange.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> why does it not works at bitcoinvn.io/orders/8368267d-3f69-494a-b12f-9a2c91f65ac0

because you haven't sent anything

the address is empty

so the exchage will not send a transaction until you send some ETH to the address

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> where is the monero txtID please?

there is none

because they haven't sent yet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I use monero gui

you have to send ETH for them to send something to your monero wallet

<t​orir:matrix.org> There is no Monero TXID. They don't have one. They won't have one until they send the Monero. They won't send Monero until someone sends ETH.

^

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> what do you mean with empty I am noob

you haven't sent any ETH to them

so they're not gonna send anything until you send them ETH

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> no because I buy eth from a platform... ah yes ok I see

doesn't matter if you bought ETH, you have to send them ETH now to get XMR

:P

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> sure lol

<t​orir:matrix.org> Oh, CypherGoat lets you use SimpleX to contact support. Much better than Trocador, which only has email and Telegram.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> aaahh ok I just undertoood!

<t​orir:matrix.org> And Matrix. Trocador has Matrix.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I take my eth wallet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I send to the address

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> and then they provide

yes yes

you're getting it!

congrats

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ok nice

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> the eth transaction is pending

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> THANK YOU

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> it sounds pending

beware that since you posted your exchange transaction here, people can get your ETH address

since ETH's blockchain is public

and see transactions and balance related to your ETH wallet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ooops sorry

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> thank you for information

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> that is great I got my monero

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> :D :D :D

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> thank you all

yay!

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I got confirmation 3/10 from my monero payment. Has it been received?

not yet

gogo2464: you must wait for at least 10 confirmations, although I would wait for about 100.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> cool nice. Why more than 10 please?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> <E​volver> would it be more secure or less expensive?

My understanding is that if the largest pool Qubic is having 36% of the hashrate, at least as per their self declaration, then if I want no more than 1 in a million chance of them messing with a transaction, I will need what I noted.

just more secure in theory.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Thank you Evolver! At this moment I just require to train for getting more privacy for the future. I will just get the 10/10

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> GM

<u​sb:envs.net> GM

<kalambut:matrix.org> Good day, currently i buy xmr p2p and pay a roughly 13%-15% fee per xmr bought , is there a way to buy xmr at its actual reported price? My credit card/wise wont work on most cexs

If you're OK with centralized services, I hear trocador is trusted. I don't know their rates but they've got to be better than what you're getting.

As always, make sure you're not getting a domain squatter or similar scammer before you use.

getmonero.org might have a (possibly out of date) list.

trocador aggregates swap services that swap one crypto for another

Ah, so only as trusted as what's behind them ? I don't think I ever heard bad things about them so far.

Proxy between you and swappers but they have an onion service and offer some % of insurance on swaps through them

plowsof: do they give ratings on the snappers as well. I haven't used trocador

*swappers

Thx autocorrect

<shortwavesurfer2009> Yes, they are given a rating of A, B, C, or D. If you choose an exchange with an A, B, or C rating, you get insurance up to 1000 US dollars.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Those exchanges will have a white shield icon beside them. If they have no shield, you get no insurance. If they have half a shield, I'm not sure what that means. So, I wouldn't use it.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Because of that insurance, I would not do a swap of more than 1,000 US dollars worth at one single time.

<eddie:oblak.be> moneromooo: Trocador is great, it are genuine, approachable people

nioc yes they grade them iirc an A is a swapper who has their own liquidity pool rather than being yet another middle man between you and a cex

<eddie:oblak.be> moneromooo: but why do you have your server IP in your displayname? 😁

it's the IRC bridge

it fetches the user mask field from IRC

moneromooo has no user so libera.chat places their connecting ip for everyone to see

<eddie:oblak.be> ok I see, that's this new bridge?

yeah, #monero #monero-community-dev #monero-community #monero-research-lounge #monero-research-lab are included on the first to get the new bridge

<eddie:oblak.be> nice!

This server is known to be associated to me in the first place, so it's ok.

instead of showing up as m-relay on Matrix side you get users :)

yeah, assume more people will be curious moneromooo

for me it shows user/meow/DataHoarder :)

I have an account, but I get de-identified regularly :/

automate it!

<eddie:oblak.be> did you register your name with NickServ?

I did, and i cba :D

<eddie:oblak.be> It's been a while but there's some options you can set to prevent de-indentifaction?

you can also setup CERTFP auth

you just login with a certificate, and it auto identifies you

I use it on the new bridge :)

Oh, that is good. Though as i said, this server is townforge.net so it doesn't matter. If anything, it actually serves as a weak auth method in itself :)

user/meow/ :)

you could do better moneromooo, and make it so it shows the user as townforge.net

but you need to setup that on IRC as well

need to setup the rDNS ptr records afaik

I'll probably change so it doesn't list ips/ipv6 not for privacy but because it's not that relevant. If the user is authenticated, I think that is relevant

Hello, I'm looking to buy a hardware wallet.

can someone recommend me which one is the most secure by default?

<eddie:oblak.be> Why do you want a hardware wallet?

The trocador faq says the guarantee does not appky if the funds are blocked due to high AML risk. Since you don't know in advance, the guarantee seems worthless, no ?

Except in a case of exit scam I guess.

In that case, yes worthless lol but they reported that when going FROM xmr to other currency they've nit had any AML issues or at least a very low % cc Morpheus

yes i want a hardware wallet and im inbetween choosing trezor safe 5 or keystone 3

thought about custom air grapped raspberry pi but im not that confident to do it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The question was "why" gachikuku_

<eddie:oblak.be> I have a trezor and I hate it. It's very old and you need this "bridge" software that doesn't work well with my OS.

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> moneromooo: The Guarantee is certainly not worthless. You could check your own funds for AML before anything. Generally speaking, things can only go wrong when the user knows his funds are stolen, etc. Our block rate is way below 0.1% and from XMR to any is 0% of course.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Cupcake

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> We also apply the Guarantee when there are issues, for example, some partner has a bug and underpays the user without any market variation

How would you "check your own funds for AML" ?

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> But it is a case by case situation

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> There are a number of services online for that

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> The most common and famous is AML bot, but there are a number of services

I did not know that. Does itrun thr risk of stealing if the ansser is NOPE ?

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I can't vouch for any tho

misread! To store safely crypto? :p

Possibly large amounts

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> moneromooo: What? I'm sorry I did not understand the question

<shortwavesurfer2009> Cupcake is a hardware wallet implementation that uses an old Android device as your hardware wallet. That way you don't order a hardware wallet from somebody and possibly get your address leaked in a hack or something like what happened to Ledger.

Does using such a "checking" service risk your funds being kept until you supply id (if so, might as well use the swapper directly) ?

<shortwavesurfer2009> If you are ordering an android phone, no one will think anything of that. If you are ordering a ledger or something like that, then the only reason you would be doing that would be to store crypto. If your address gets leaked, you are fucked.

<eddie:oblak.be> That sounds like I nice project

<eddie:oblak.be> I've seen the hacked ledger database, it's scary

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They check supplied address

<shortwavesurfer2009> You shouldn't have to send your funds to them to check them. They should just be able to check your funds with the blockchain address. Since Bitcoin is all transparent anyway.

actually, if you order it to a safe storage point I think that case scenario won't matter

but thanks for the case scenario havent thought about it!

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ubstoppablewallet has an addess checker that asks ciphertrace and some others

but an android phone is not *air gapped*

Well, for Bitcoin, sure. But if I sell monero or buy Bitcoin, then...

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> moneromooo: As the others told you, you just inform the address and they check it. You can only check for AML funds from other blockchains, not from XMR, as there is no way to apply AML risk to XMR

I guess I'll go research later.

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> AML risk for XMR is zero

<shortwavesurfer2009> In this case, it would be a separate Android phone that you never connect to the internet.

<eddie:oblak.be> gachikuku_: it is if you remove the sim and disable the wifi

<shortwavesurfer2009> An older device that you factory reset if you have one.

Then the guarantee is...

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> selling monero doesnt get aml'd

<eddie:oblak.be> gachikuku_: if you are going to store large amounts you better know the underlying system very well since if something happens nobody is going to be able to help you recover it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> That if you deposit stolen btc, no guarantee

<eddie:oblak.be> @eddie:oblak.be: better have offline seed backups in multiple places

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> moneromooo: If you want to receive BTC on BTC address XXXXXXX then you could check your receiving address

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> But for example if your swap is XMR to BTC and the BTC address is a brand new one, there is NO AML risk at all

That makes no sense. It's the sender's address that you'd want to check.

Your address would get blackllisted *after* you get paid.

And by then it's too late.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the guarantee isnt that the exchange sends you clean coins

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> No, you guys are not getting the idea haha

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i get it

Sorry :D

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> The funds are clean (or should at least always be), we always are looking into that

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> The thing is for example, let's say your receiving BTC address is sanctioned (for some other reason)

ediie: as long as you know the seed, what's there to worry?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The guarantee is that the exchange sends you coins, and doesnt steal your deposit

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> For example, it was involved in a hack

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The guarantee doesnt apply if you deposit stolen funda

storing a large amount on an android device doesn't sound safer than storing it on a rasbpi

<shortwavesurfer2009> All Monero is always clean. The only time you have to worry about that is if you are depositing Bitcoin, then you need to check your funds for AML before sending them. Otherwise, they might get frozen by the exchange.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Why do you think I don't use Bitcoin?

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> If you receive in a new BTC address the AML risk is always zero, that's what I'm saying haha

<shortwavesurfer2009> Exactly, if you are sending a transparent currency, you have to check for AML risk first. If you are sending a private currency such as Monero, you don't have to, because all Monero are always clean.

<shortwavesurfer2009> 4 reorg detected

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009: Yes that's the idea

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> There is no AML checks for XMR

OK i guess I need to clearly state the case I'm worried about, beause the above does *not* help:

I want to send [monero|bitcoin] to receive the other instead.

If I send monero, then I hae two risks: my monero gets stolen, or I receive stolen bitcoin.

If I send bitcoin, it'll be whatever I have previously received, on which I have no control.

"All monero is clean" takes care of one risk (though I would ont trust this to be true)

It's more like all monero is grey.

<shortwavesurfer2009> You should not receive tainted funds from an exchange working with Trocador. After all, they are in exchange, and they would not want people to deposit tainted funds, so they would not allow you to withdraw tainted funds.

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> moneromooo: On Trocador, none of that would happen

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> First there is no AML risk in depositing XMR, and second the partners always pay you with clean coins

oh?

did the matrix relay bot switch?

OK. So the guarantee includes always accepting back the coins they pay, right ?

That would address my worries.

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> moneromooo: Right now there is no way to AML check Monero, so no exchange will halt you on depositing that

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> moneromooo: We never had any issues with users depositing back what they received

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Users have always been served correctly

Do you run one of these exchanges, since you say "we" ?

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> But yes, our support team would help you 100% if that weird thing happened by any chance

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I work for Trocador haha

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> That's why ofrn marked me on the conversation

<shortwavesurfer2009> No, they are an aggregator. They give you a list of partners they work with.

OK. Thanks.

<cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Feel free to contact our support team if you have any other questions

<aadniz:knaben.org> I think Haveno is a nice project for swapping cryptocurrency. It's open-source and decentralized. > <moneromooo> I want to send [monero|bitcoin] to receive the other instead.

<aadniz:knaben.org> If you're worried about receiving stolen Bitcoin, then exchange to something that is less common to be stolen...

I agree that a centralized exchange with reputation to lose would be less likely to screw you with black btc.

<shortwavesurfer2009> The true problem in all this is the fact that BTC and all the rest of them can be black anyway. That doesn't make them money.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> moneromooo: @moneromooo, a centralized exchange that rejects stolen btc is less likely to have stolen btc to give you

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> does the exchange accept tainted coins? Then you can be sent tainted coins.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> does the exchange refuse tainted coins? Then you wont be sent tainted coins

Yes that's a good point :)

<monero.arbo:matrix.org> even better, if the exchange has a clean AML reputation, all their coins are considered clean regardless of history

<shortwavesurfer2009> A good way of keeping track of our adversary.

<shortwavesurfer2009> qubic-snooper.p2pool.observer/tips.txt

hey, I made that! :D

was going to post it now here

<testtank:matrix.org> That’s why it will be eventually delisted from every single CEX > <@cryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> There is no AML checks for XMR

<syntheticbird> @testtank:matrix.org: the sooner the better

<testtank:matrix.org> Honestly yes, atomic swaps would finally be liquid

Can I atomic swap between xmr and fiat? ​( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Only useful thing

<elongated:matrix.org> nioc: Cbdc atomic swaps powered by fed

\o/

<testtank:matrix.org> nioc: *fiat is only usefull to buy Monero

<testtank:matrix.org> (And to pay rent & groceries lol)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @testtank:matrix.org: Theres over 150xmr on bsx rn, but only 11ltc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And the ltc is >5%, so thats not going to sell

<elongated:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: Price will crash and your botnets will stop mining and chain will be 51% grounding it to zero

<elongated:matrix.org> Feels like cubic is a trailer

<freddi99:matrix.org> lately seems like a pendulum here from "cubic is bs, no worries" to "shit boys, thats it, pack it up"? or am i tripping

Probably from different people, but you're not wrong :)

<jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> getmonero.org/get-started/what-is-monero why is ztrash mentioned

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmao good question

<syntheticbird> SITE HAS BEEN COMPROMISED

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No offence to the OG author, but this is written almost as badly if i wrote it myself

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> > Because Monero is decentralized, it is not constrained by any particular legal jurisdiction and provides safety from capital control.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Has the site actually been compromised? Because I just downloaded my new node software from it earlier today. I'm just trying to make absolutely certain.

<shortwavesurfer2009> It's just running RPC, not the wallet itself though.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cointelegraph level writing

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @shortwavesurfer2009: No

Why ? is it lying ?

hope you aren't listening to syntheticbird lol

<shortwavesurfer2009> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: K

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Moneromooo, no, just poor grammar

anything written in bold is equivalent to /s

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And ambigous / buzzwordy text, like "safety from capital control"

It is objectively true, isn't it.

I mean, I didn't write it AFAIK but...

Pretty sure I didn't. Wouldn't have missed the 's' in controls...

<elongated:matrix.org> Ztrash needs to be removed > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmao good question

<tr3-vr:matrix.tr3-vr.com> @freddi99:matrix.org: ur tripping. they are failing to get passed 30-35% of total hashrate, after claiming to have already done a full 50%. the only thing they can do now is reorg. which to be clear, is a problem for exchanges with low confirmation times. But imo, it is a desperate attempt to make one last splash to get more miners over.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah not tripping

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a lot of bipolar fud

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Some long term ppl here claiming qubic 51% attackes us, rip pow, sold all of my monero, bla bla

<gingeropolous> the ignore feature of matrix can do wonders

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Some other based folks putting out proposals that dont require any staking

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @gingeropolous: Its not just new ppl.. a certain bull of monero spent a cpl hrs spreading this fud the other day

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also, deep (>10 block) reorgs are a problem for anyone accepting monero. Qubic hasnt done one yet, but could have

<elongated:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ethical selfish miners 😂

kraken reports: spend total value 99... next record receive asset, total value 95... HMM

amountusd column seems inaccurate and/or not helpful

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or you pais a $4 premium?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Paid

well the fee they told me about (and is listed on the first record) is much less

but yeah it looks like besides the fee there is also a premium to pay