<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Hello. I would like to get more monero. I wonder if having more DEX / CEX platforms could help me to find more.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Hello. What is the best monero client please?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the official monero client of course getmonero.org/downloads

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> or feather wallet if you want something more light

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> great point! Thank you I was going there! sorry for not getting you in touch.

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I personally prefer feather wallet because it has support for Tor, I2P, multiple nodes, etc etc

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> so choose between those two

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> gogo ^

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Transaction Status

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> new

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> should I wait for?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> thank you for the information. I currently use native monero wallet because I can combine it within whoniw whith no fear of 3 nodes

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I really really hope I did not sent to wrong address!

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yes

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> it takes like 15-20 minutes to get 10 confirmations

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> great thank you!!

addresses have checksums that make it harder to actually send to a wrong (invalid) address

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the person that you sent the money can also see the transaction and the money they received on their wallet as long it has 1 confirmation (I think)

0 confirm

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> thanks

as soon as it's in the txpool i thik

think*

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and after 10 transactions the person that received the money can use it

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> right Cindy?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> 10 confirmations*, Sorry

well technically they can use it before

but 10 confirmations is enough to confirm that it is a valid spend

at least right now

It's up to the receiver how many confirmations they want, if they want more. If the biggest pool Qubic is at 33% at times, I'd want 67 confirmations for that as per the tentative table at gist.github.com/impredicative/0907e1699f5ff97a9fed5dee20393266

^

it's up to the receiver really

but clients use 10 as a standard

Evolver: also this guy looks like he just posts dumb shit from LLMs

well if you find a flaw in it, lmk

because I don't

i would not take this as primary information, because it sounds way too outlandish

67 confirmations is 2 hours

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hello Cindy

It scales up progressively

by 46%, it's over a day

hi recanman

most services actually expire invoices after 24 hours

or less even

They expire if no confs are received

if it's at 0

If it's at >0, but less than their requirement, that's murky.

it's time-based, not conf-based for most

you can go say that to Kraken that asked for 720 confs

for what token

For Monero

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I did not had any confitmation yet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> still now

well i see

that is about 24 hours

of confirmations

but to be fair, they are a CEX, not a general service

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> is my monero address not wrong?

Cindy: it makes no difference if it's a CEX or not. One person's Monero is not more valuable than other person's.

you don't understand me

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I just transfered 0.004 eth to my monero wallet. Is it normal it took too much time?

they are a CEX who can tolerate the massive amounts of confs

the average person wouldn't

you'd be putting users at risk by asking them to demand less

based on the risk posed

that may be true

gogo2464: eth to monero?

how does that worko

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> yes

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I have been at cyphergoat.com

did they give a TXID?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> a what?

transaction ID

<t​orir:matrix.org> See "Table: Duration of meta attack to achieve attack success probability of 50 percent" at monero-project/research-lab #102#issuecomment-2402750881 for some more data on how many confirmations you may want to accept.

okay this looks like something that was not shat out by an LLM

nice work ruck does

<t​orir:matrix.org> 720 blocks for confirmation is overkill. Although, in the case of an actual 51%, like happened to Firo, it might help protect the exchange by forcing the attacker to maintain 51% for longer to pull off a double spend against the exchange. However, I think Kraken is just being very conservative. Probably they don't have the resources to properly investigate the Qubic situation and <clipped message>

<t​orir:matrix.org> do due diligence and so they picked a large and definitely safe number.

yeah, it's 24 hours worth of confirmations

it's way too long, but fair in their positio

<t​orir:matrix.org> Still faster than some fiat deposit methods.

720 confs would be terrible for day-to-day transactions

well.. literal day-to-day

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I do not see any transaction ID where should I look?

gogo2464: where are you able to even look at the transaction

is it on their site or your wallt

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ah yes I understand. the txid is e92ab891-fff6-43ed-bcdb-390c7e710842

on your wallet or site?

If I am not mistaken, it comes down to what probability you're willing to accept. If I read correctly, the table in the issue uses 0.5 probability of any one double spend. The code in the gist uses a configurable probability of 1e-6.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Just tested, CypherGoat produces URLs like cyphergoat.com/transaction/23ac3deb-d676-40bb-a4b9-3599b8c3eec5 which embed a transaction id.

so that's cyphergoat's txid

not monero's txid

<t​orir:matrix.org> Yeah.

<t​orir:matrix.org> cyphergoat.com/transaction/e92ab891-fff6-43ed-bcdb-390c7e710842

okay it looks like cyphergoat is just a exchange aggregator

the actual exchange is bitcoinvn

it says waiting

<t​orir:matrix.org> Just so you know, by sharing your exchange transaction ID, you might have just shared your ETH address to this whole chat, but only if you sent ETH to the exchange address. Since we can see the destination ETH address the exchange wants.

<t​orir:matrix.org> Perhaps for your threat model that doesn't matter. We still can't see your Monero transactions at all.

there is no transactions to this one-time address

you sure you sent the ETH?

<t​orir:matrix.org> It looks like you either didn't send any ETH or maybe it went to the wrong address.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> The payment request?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> monero:XXX

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> it is loading yes

did you send?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> it is for testing

<t​orir:matrix.org> Fair enough.

ah

i see

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> do I send the monero:XXXX

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ?

the what

monero what

<t​orir:matrix.org> IRC side cannot see Matrix replies.

<t​orir:matrix.org> IRC: This was in response to <C​indy> you sure you sent the ETH?

oh

what about monero though

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> the eth has not been sent

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> The transaction is loading

loading?

<t​orir:matrix.org> Sorry, "it is loading yes" was in response to that mesage.

well this is super confusing :P

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> no it is

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Transaction Status

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> new

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> do you want my monero txtid?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> of format monero:XXX

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ?

what txid are you going to have if they haven't even sent anything yet

even then it would be useless to me

(cuz monero is private)

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I just want to ensure the monero:XXX is not private?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> the generated link is bitcoinvn.io/orders/8368267d-3f69-494a-b12f-9a2c91f65ac0

yes

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> they have no sent nothing no

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Cindy: it is this : monero:88avvvaJ1XxQmwkK9MWRWCPkGpJXfYtFzBCeZpc4pyTzTvpUtVXw9RxRziLjMQ43MwVaW3tTwBPebHABHtxQfqHTDUDFgGn

that's not a txid, that's a subaddress

are you.. sending XMR to convert to ETH?

or sending ETH to convert to XMR

<t​orir:matrix.org> The exchange can see your Monero address, yes. Use a different Monero address for doing exchanges than for doing other transactions. However, the Monero address is *not* visible on the blockchin.

^

use a subaddress, which you have here

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Cindy no I convert eth to monero

well, the exchange can see your address, but that's about it

nobody can see your transactions on the chain

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> sure yes pelase

<t​orir:matrix.org> The exchange can see your address. There will not be a Monero transaction ID until you have sent the ETH to the exchange.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> why does it not works at bitcoinvn.io/orders/8368267d-3f69-494a-b12f-9a2c91f65ac0

because you haven't sent anything

the address is empty

so the exchage will not send a transaction until you send some ETH to the address

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> where is the monero txtID please?

there is none

because they haven't sent yet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I use monero gui

you have to send ETH for them to send something to your monero wallet

<t​orir:matrix.org> There is no Monero TXID. They don't have one. They won't have one until they send the Monero. They won't send Monero until someone sends ETH.

^

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> what do you mean with empty I am noob

you haven't sent any ETH to them

so they're not gonna send anything until you send them ETH

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> no because I buy eth from a platform... ah yes ok I see

doesn't matter if you bought ETH, you have to send them ETH now to get XMR

:P

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> sure lol

<t​orir:matrix.org> Oh, CypherGoat lets you use SimpleX to contact support. Much better than Trocador, which only has email and Telegram.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> aaahh ok I just undertoood!

<t​orir:matrix.org> And Matrix. Trocador has Matrix.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I take my eth wallet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I send to the address

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> and then they provide

yes yes

you're getting it!

congrats

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ok nice

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> the eth transaction is pending

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> THANK YOU

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> it sounds pending

beware that since you posted your exchange transaction here, people can get your ETH address

since ETH's blockchain is public

and see transactions and balance related to your ETH wallet

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> ooops sorry

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> thank you for information

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> that is great I got my monero

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> :D :D :D

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> thank you all

yay!

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> I got confirmation 3/10 from my monero payment. Has it been received?

not yet

gogo2464: you must wait for at least 10 confirmations, although I would wait for about 100.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> cool nice. Why more than 10 please?

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> <E​volver> would it be more secure or less expensive?

My understanding is that if the largest pool Qubic is having 36% of the hashrate, at least as per their self declaration, then if I want no more than 1 in a million chance of them messing with a transaction, I will need what I noted.

just more secure in theory.

<g​ogo2464:matrix.org> Thank you Evolver! At this moment I just require to train for getting more privacy for the future. I will just get the 10/10

<p​laiwanone:matrix.org> GM

<u​sb:envs.net> GM