<agentpie314:matrix.org> ok now there's only one of me and im on matrix side, idk if being both on irc and matrix looks kinda sketchy to ops probably

actually makes it more believable :P

cuz you could go on IRC and be like "that's me!"

<agentpie314:matrix.org> also i have to use web version because element uses snap and i have openrc system and i think snap doesnt play with openrc

<agentpie314:matrix.org> it feels so much cleaner/better to do this from matrix side btw

<plowsof:matrix.org> you'll definitely want to hang on to your irc account - the web version can be unbelievably slow

<agentpie314:matrix.org> i could of course just grab the laptop with debian and install element there which i probably will do i need to upgrade it to debian 13 anyway

<w10290876:unredacted.org> have you tried schildichat or nheko?

<agentpie314:matrix.org> plowsof oh im definitely not leaving irc haha, just that room. i can get back into it any time i want.

like this

if you ask me, IRC offers a lot of things that matrix doesn't

<agentpie314:matrix.org> @w10290876:unredacted.org: no i tried something with very beautiful handwritten font

<agentpie314:matrix.org> yeah id rather be in an IRC room than a matrix room at least with what i know/have installed now

<agentpie314:matrix.org> polycule

<agentpie314:matrix.org> @w10290876:unredacted.org: it was called polycule

<agentpie314:matrix.org> but when you're in an IRC room that's getting relayed with matrix it's just uhm it gets very confusing very fast

<agentpie314:matrix.org> weechat, quassel, thelounge, irssi -- client doesnt matter its always confusing for some reason

02:03:53 <Cindy> if you ask me, IRC offers a lot of things that matrix doesn't

wait for typing notifications coming in IRCv3!

I have implemented this on the bridge already

just disabled cause libera.chat doesn't have those silly things yet

oh like putting your address in CTCP

or NickServ TAXONOMY

no I mean, IRC protocol itself via message tags

also multi-line messages!

or grouping at least

i meant the stuff you ca do in IRC!!

<goodboy:matrix.org> if someone wrote just even a client that you org any "room's" tagging into arbitrary threads, i'd adopt wtv sys entirely immediately.

<goodboy:matrix.org> so like think a "chat" which has a mode that's like a "forum".

<goodboy:matrix.org> so like say i could tag all msgs containing "cindyloo" and then see only those in a "room style" thread.

<goodboy:matrix.org> all native obvi.

<goodboy:matrix.org> imo there's no reason for all this other marlarky. just make it simple in terms of the proto and let the client do all the useful shite.

> just make it simple in terms of the proto

that's IRC!

and v3 :)

<goodboy:matrix.org> fair

<goodboy:matrix.org> i'm kinda bullish on that email one tbh

it works on old clients, too, and client just handles the matching and tagging

<goodboy:matrix.org> i always forget the name

<goodboy:matrix.org> deltachat

<goodboy:matrix.org> that seems like a sane way to build things to me

<goodboy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: yeah but we don't reallly need a new proto

irc is here and works

<goodboy:matrix.org> if you do, then like isn't the std kinda already gone wrong?

not a new proto

<goodboy:matrix.org> no i mean v3

<goodboy:matrix.org> isn't that what you just pumped?

it's not a "new" proto

<goodboy:matrix.org> well wtv

<goodboy:matrix.org> a revision

it's extension on current one with just more metadata on messages

say, to add reactions on messages

or so messages are identified by an id

<goodboy:matrix.org> i'm not claiming revisions shouldn't happen either (for the fallical ones here)

<goodboy:matrix.org> sure

<goodboy:matrix.org> sure

<goodboy:matrix.org> i think you're missing my point

but old clients can connect and also interact with all new content fine

<goodboy:matrix.org> look at deltachat and try to prove to me how it's not as good as irc

well

it's not irc

<goodboy:matrix.org> i don't really care about backwards compat blah blah with new protos

<goodboy:matrix.org> lol

<goodboy:matrix.org> so basically not an argument

all I need to know is

does the client need react/web browser?

is it VC funded?

<goodboy:matrix.org> ofc not

<goodboy:matrix.org> look at their shit

<goodboy:matrix.org> or you need me to link it

... it's react embedded web browser

:D

<goodboy:matrix.org> well just look at the proto/main-page wiki wtv

<goodboy:matrix.org> no

but yeah deltachat seems an extension to the email protocol :P

<DataHoarder> irc is here and works

<goodboy:matrix.org> clearly you should not confirmation bias toward their normie client

<goodboy:matrix.org> github.com/deltachat

<goodboy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: yeah ish

at least you'd be able to read messages once it dies

:D

with custom tools

<goodboy:matrix.org> i think it's a reasonable alt if you give it a chance and don't be an irc maxi

<goodboy:matrix.org> delta.chat/en

<goodboy:matrix.org> there's nothing wrong with using more then one thing

<goodboy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: yes

but really if it's IMAP/SMTP interactions I want to stay far away from running a server

> irc maxi

<goodboy:matrix.org> bc they all do die

<goodboy:matrix.org> at least you get that part

but I am on matrix AND implemented the bridge

<goodboy:matrix.org> 😂

<goodboy:matrix.org> so you're one of the gud ones

I just call stuff shit when it is shit, like Matrix being VC funded and their "main" spec and feature wise client basically being a browser one

<goodboy:matrix.org> (maxis i mean)

and servers that require more than Qubic's meme nodes

<goodboy:matrix.org> never going to contradict you on that

<goodboy:matrix.org> i think it started more pure though

<goodboy:matrix.org> and the design wasn't a horrible idea

or conduwuit :D

conduwuit worked well for my testing

it did

<goodboy:matrix.org> lol

<goodboy:matrix.org> yeah fair

then

well

all the legacy

<goodboy:matrix.org> i kinda like u

it's a new protocol with more legacy than IRC

<goodboy:matrix.org> open minded on chat shit eh

how do you even manage this

<goodboy:matrix.org> you can be ma fren

a message has:

text

formatted text

within the text

there's a fallback text

<goodboy:matrix.org> i'm of the oppi that more is better so you always have hedge/failover sys

<goodboy:matrix.org> for e2ee chat

for fallback for clients that don't handle replies

so on EVERY message the first thing you have to do is manually remove the regex

the fallback text

<goodboy:matrix.org> ah ur talking smtp now ya?

it's not even standard you just dig it out

no, matrix

<goodboy:matrix.org> ahh

one sec lemme get a breakpoint ready

<goodboy:matrix.org> well, i'm not gonna claim their schema is good or anything

<goodboy:matrix.org> i think the whole distributed dag idea is aight htough

<goodboy:matrix.org> its like chat on a blockchain before that was as pop

reply to this message

<goodboy:matrix.org> look i'm not claiming matrix is good

<goodboy:matrix.org> but it does work so far

reply hurry up I have a breakpoint!

<goodboy:matrix.org> 😂

<goodboy:matrix.org> you clearly no more about it then me, i just fear setting up bridges

<goodboy:matrix.org> i'm not guarding on matrix.

<goodboy:matrix.org> i'm just saying maybe irc doesn't have to be the end all either

<datahoarder> DataHoarder: I had to do it myself smh

yeah was trying to show what baggage means

I mean, build something on top of IRC as backend!

<goodboy:matrix.org> for deltachat i just the way they seem to be building out all the "higher level client feats" as just that, client-side only abstractions that have no meaning outside clients.

like twitch did

<goodboy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: totes.

<goodboy:matrix.org> also fair.

I like these people, they built chat on top of email

another legacy protocol

extended to death

<goodboy:matrix.org> tbh i haven't dug in enough on how the protos compare - but i think i know what i want for a client UX.

<goodboy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: 😂

<goodboy:matrix.org> it's at least an ode to what's possible

<goodboy:matrix.org> there's a buncha new kinda on the ze block though

<goodboy:matrix.org> in the realm of trying to deprecate matrix

<testtank:matrix.org> See guys the asians are waking up and buying Moneros, just for the the fat americans to dump tommorrow

<testtank:matrix.org> Just jk

<testtank:matrix.org> Love the us

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> GM

<goodboy:matrix.org> 😂

<kmno4:catgirl.cloud> Reorgs 9 blocks deep are back

<sbt:nope.chat> 46% of last 100 blocks

<elongated:matrix.org> Cubic is a norm now

<elongated:matrix.org> They aren’t going away it’s fee xmr for them

<elongated:matrix.org> They giving away fake tokens

<unt0ld:matrix.org> Interesting truths:

<unt0ld:matrix.org> There is a vast supply of readily available processors. Monero is currently mined on a very few of them. How many of them mine depends on the total miner reward. If the reward is low, it becomes very easy to reward some of the rest of the processors to attack. This is why Monero is the coin most sensitive to price for its secu [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k8Lmx7AKYldIX1Yz ]

<unt0ld:matrix.org> Monero already has staking. By keeping monero in your wallet, you are contributing to securing Monero. Every monero in your wallet is a monero not for sale, which raises the miner reward, which raises the hashrate, which increases security.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k8Lmx7AKYldIX1Yz ]

<marioob:matrix.org> I can't buy it. I live in a dystopian society (UK). I can only mine it.

<unt0ld:matrix.org> You can't buy USDC/USDC/LTC/SOL and swap it to XMR on something like Trocador (connected over Tor or VPN)?

Ofcourse he can *sips tea*

<eddie:oblak.be> @marioob:matrix.org: can you buy Bitcoin or ETH

<eddie:oblak.be> ?

<eddie:oblak.be> it is not completely non-kyc, but if I buy I use mt. pelerin. You wire them some money with SEPA and then they send coins to any wallet you want.

<marioob:matrix.org> I haven't tried lately, but I think it will still ask for kyc 🤮. I should rather buy one more miner ?!?

<eddie:oblak.be> no need to send picture of your face

Most (all?) of the usual kyc'd CEX's have BTC/GBP pairings.. British pound has some trades at haveno.markets

<eddie:oblak.be> Afaik, Swiss institutions do not have to do KYC below the amount of 1000CHF (i think it was per day, might be per month now)

<eddie:oblak.be> and up to 100k / year

Continue mining and also convert you fiat coins into magic internet money if you wish

<eddie:oblak.be> peachbitcoin.com/how-to-buy-btc-no-kyc -> same idea as mt. pelerin , downside, can only trade BTC, upside you buy/sell p2p

<eddie:oblak.be> I used it once to sell some bitcoin, just to see how it works

<eddie:oblak.be> They are targetted by scammers so be careful..

<alexandre:uii.pt> i wonder how they keep track of who is who for that limit tho, but well, doesn't really matter as long as they don't enforce the limit > <@eddie:oblak.be> Afaik, Swiss institutions do not have to do KYC below the amount of 1000CHF (i think it was per day, might be per month now)

<eddie:oblak.be> because you need to create an account and it's tied to your IBAN bank account

<eddie:oblak.be> so the idea is you did the KYC when opening that bank account, and you do not have to do it again for using their services

seems qubic is having issues and gor orphaned irc.gammaspectra.live/4fef6fbad228100a/7_deep_qubic_orphan.png

<eddie:oblak.be> block warz ? 😁

<alexandre:uii.pt> @eddie:oblak.be: you can have multiple bank accounts tho, if the limit is per iban

<alexandre:uii.pt> but yeah, ultimately you can't open infinite bank accounts

<eddie:oblak.be> the limit is probably per bank account and not per person necessarily. You can convince naive teenagers to be money mules :D

<eddie:oblak.be> anyway it's not perfect, but if you have an IBAN it's better than sending your face to shady exchanges

<alexandre:uii.pt> oh, that's for sure

<alexandre:uii.pt> i think they get your full name, but that's about it

<unt0ld:matrix.org> So wait, how does that work? Can you just trade crypto through a Swiss exchange just by having a foreign bank account? Even over the internet without being in Switzerland?

<eddie:oblak.be> I don't know the exact check they do, but you can figure it out yourself here: mtpelerin.com

<unt0ld:matrix.org> > We accept clients from all countries, except US and Russian persons, and residents of:

<unt0ld:matrix.org> > Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Belarus, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Central African Republic, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Latvia, Lebanon, Libya, Mainland China (Hong Kong and Taiwan accepted), Mali, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Niger, North Korea, Russia, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

<basses:matrix.org> lol

<alexandre:uii.pt> @eddie:oblak.be: oh, there's more, i was thinking about the one in cakewallet, forgot the name

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Dfxswiss

<radar69420:matrix.org> this POS software has frozen mid syncing of the blockchain for the 5th time. Surely there is some fix for this other than "delete and try again" because this shit is pathetic.

<radar69420:matrix.org> using monero GUI

radar69420, you using an SSD?

<radar69420:matrix.org> yeah ssd,not nvme but a good one

<elongated:matrix.org> @radar69420:matrix.org: --db-sync-mode=safe

<radar69420:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: will have a read, ty

<elongated:matrix.org> Also enable dns blocklist

<elongated:matrix.org> And MRL blocklist

MRL blocklist?

you mean DNS checkpointing?

you can rune a pruned chain too

its slightly smaller

radar69420: there is no known deadlock issue currently like you are describing, does monerod freeze or monero-gui? or does it crash?

<radar69420:matrix.org> Im using Arch Linux

<radar69420:matrix.org> When the Monero-Gui is left to Sync - It will become frozen at a random block height towards the finish point. Restarting software doesn't seem to fix it. Happened for the third day in a row

you can run monerod instead

like sync with monerod, and then run monero-gui after

<radar69420:matrix.org> I have just restarted it again with "--db-sync-mode=safe" and ill watch it very closely this time

<radar69420:matrix.org> yep, trying that this time now :)

<radar69420:matrix.org> ty <3

i have the gui wallet and am running monderod, albeit on windows. but i synced with monderd before ever opening the wallet.

chill.mycotrip.tech/uploads/a92419db70c84a2a/image.png

oh no death and despair!

<sorrow:arcticfoxes.net> mycotrip: oh no i didn't get my 0.01 xmr payout

LOL i'm on the mini chain, more like .0002