matrix ops should ban synod.im entirely

all we've been having is this one guy registering multiple accounts saying the same shit with his sockpuppets

<longtermwhale:synod.im> @barthman132:matrix.org: monerobull represents the typical hardcore monero fan. they've been holding for years; they moderate the reddit; they host the monero forum; they eagerly waited for serai for years; they help out with haveno guides. monerobull is gone and sold everything. you can ignore devs leaving, scammers ruining the project, and everything else, but don't ignore monerobull leaving

counterpoint: imgur.com/QJZuhr5

don't even engage

nobody could ever ignore the storytime wehad with your monerobull sockpuppet

it was truly a sad story

btw the user he is impersonating actually got one of their transactions invalidated by qubic

i remember that but that was a while back wasnt it

<longtermwhale:synod.im> Aaajww291: rucknium is nigerian

actually hurting legit users

DataHoarder: from the big re-org chain?

tbh im an irc guy but the bridges

are easily abused

yep, Cindy_

damn

no more details than that but it was confirmed

<longtermwhale:synod.im> first cfb now monerobull sockpuppet you're an idiot :trollface:

oh? the transaction went through after?

no

synod.im: stfu lol

it was confirmed invalidated

DataHoarder: so what happens to it?

Yeah what happens to it

im curious

01:33:06 <br-m> <longtermwhale:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i can confirm lol

01:43:12 <br-m> <longtermwhale:synod.im> i'm getting frustrated now. when will my transaction be valid? monero has been consistently problematic, and i'm fed up with its issues. can't wait to sell all of my coins and move on to another cryptocurrency that doesn't have the same problems

01:44:46 <br-m> <longtermwhale:matrix.org> why steal my name sucker?

:D

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Refunded

ah

of course :P

<longtermwhale:synod.im> datahoarder why are you contributing to monero?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> why don't you value your time? leave now

any more details would need to come from that user, it's their privacy. but yeah in general tx is refunded but can't be spent if in mempool

other people don't have cool crypto

synod.im: bro how much do you get paid to give us a puppet show

I'm adding subaddress support to my proof maker

just for fun

you're literally here making up sockpuppets

and making up stories

he's getting paid $60 BILLION QUBICS

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Datahoarder also works for mossad

or $0.005c

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This is his day job

<longtermwhale:synod.im> ofrn "scammer" xmr

<longtermwhale:synod.im> Aaajww291: qubic will be worth $60 billion soon. it will eat up monero's $5 billion market cap

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @longtermwhale:synod.im: sup?

i cannot believe that matrix lets you join a room with the same name as another user in the room

whats the usecase then?

to mine monero???

<barthman132:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im: Only in your dreams

<longtermwhale:synod.im> aigarth

<longtermwhale:synod.im> monero has no use case

matrix is this garbage that users can simply impersonate others like that?

so you're here, expecting me to believe, that you convinced ~300 people with server hardware to mine on CPUs for "AI"?

Cindy_: it doesn't, the name includes the domain :D

when LLMs alone need GPUs...

it shows it when there is a conflict, but yeah

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Aaajww291: do you believe this is a qubic rep?

"Federation"

lmao no

i believe synod.im is

their white paper is literally technobabble

<longtermwhale:synod.im> :trollface: > <Aaajww291> so you're here, expecting me to believe, that you convinced ~300 people with server hardware to mine on CPUs for "AI"?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> you know nothing 4chan retard

<longtermwhale:synod.im> sech1 tried to mess with qubic and got what he deserved

"hahahaha look guys, they don't know i'm intentionally being dumb! they got trolled"

troll tactics that only a 9 year old would pull

<basses:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im u know who is sech1 btw?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> datahoarder is next if he doesn't leave

where is the tweet bro

still waiting :)

oh no

DataHoarder: you better leave, if he doesn't

he's gonna call your mommy

and tell you that you were being mean to him

<basses:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im don't you feel sad that there's no one to impersonate you?

from the way the person is typing, and how they can only express hatred and nothing else; this is CFB just farming for tweets

im guessing he's gonna do an epic troll and post it on one of his many socks

epic win

<longtermwhale:synod.im> idiot

he's gonna give us a puppet show :P

<longtermwhale:synod.im> @basses:matrix.org: yes

he's already known for monitoring monero discussions

<longtermwhale:synod.im> sech1 tried to attack qubic but failed spectacularly :trollface:

y'know

<basses:matrix.org> how?

i think i saw a CFB tweet that had ":trollface:" in it

yeah he does that a bunch for some reason

i am almost certain that this guy is literally just CFB

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not

<basses:matrix.org> he's probably waiting till he gets his ass arrested

<longtermwhale:synod.im> ofrn "scammer" xmr is right for once

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Longtermwhale is my alter ego

<longtermwhale:synod.im> i'm not cfb you're retards

settle down ok?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> PoS is the only option for monero

why?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> no devs are competent enough to implement it in time. qubic will take over and secure monero by taking its marketcap

cuz longtermwhale:synod.im is a Piece of Shit

thats

not how it works

but ok

<longtermwhale:synod.im> 1. switch to PoS and get rid of the qubic threat > <Aaajww291> why?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> 2. look at the reorgs qubic is managing. PoW has failed

<basses:matrix.org> don't ask him hard questions ;) he's just a furious NPC for CFB > <Aaajww291> why?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> detective mining was countered by qubic

<longtermwhale:synod.im> PoP will be countered

<elongated:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im: Can’t switch tomorrow

synod.im, c'moooon

02:13:43 <+br-m> <longtermwhale:synod.im> detective mining was countered by qubic

<longtermwhale:synod.im> dns checkpointing will centralized monero and lead to network failure. relying on cloudflare for security :trollface:

<longtermwhale:synod.im> qubic is more secure

give us a puppet show!

it was never implemented lol

<sorrow:arcticfoxes.net> they got him

<sorrow:arcticfoxes.net> he cant be saved

no one went past the talking phase

<longtermwhale:synod.im> it was planned by fluffy "fed"

qubic managed to counter something that didn't exist

wow, i'm so proud of you CFB

they countered the wrong thing btw :)

<longtermwhale:synod.im> shut up cindy

nah

<longtermwhale:synod.im> if u use monero like an idiot wait for 30 confirmations this time ok :)

i want you to bring back the sockpuppet me

oh please oh please, synod.im

hey CFB i think the polish border is still open if you still wanna make a run for it

tell me how i wanted to sell monero for USDT

<longtermwhale:synod.im> what qubic and satoshi/cfb is doing is perfectly legal

sir

CFB

you are the only person in existence

to call yourself satoshi

CFB, you will never be satoshi

please just stop

you are sergey

your name is sergey

you will never be satoshi

<longtermwhale:synod.im> fuck you guys

no one is calling you that except you, your puppets, and your paid followers.

lmao

CFB, did you work as a gay stripper before?

is that why your name is CFB?

(or coming from behind)

did they leave or something?

idk probably

gone awfully quiet

he realized the bait wasnt working properly

> longtermwhale left the room

yes

he's probably still reading from libera monerologs

<longtermwhale:synod.im> i know u sold all ur xmr cindy don't worry aigarth told me :trollface:

but since his entire userbase is so inorganic I would 100% believe that's cfb

<longtermwhale:synod.im> i had to rejoin

lol

<sorrow:arcticfoxes.net> DataHoarder: nope they are back

you can't even touch grass for barely a second

when i call you, you immediately join back

desperate for attention

<longtermwhale:synod.im> cindy i know u sold

<longtermwhale:synod.im> it's okay

<longtermwhale:synod.im> just admit it

Cindy_: this is what happens when you make your private keys 1+1!

<longtermwhale:synod.im> Aaajww291: cope. qubic has millions marketcap and millions volume. how is that inorganic?

Cindy_, sorry that was me who took all your xmr

you can have it back if you show good behavior

<basses:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im what you are trying to achieve?

<longtermwhale:synod.im> the qubic community is stronger than monero

>the qubic community in question: i.imgur.com/QJZuhr5.jpeg

<basses:matrix.org> you are proving otherwise

qubic community is talking about price promises hype

<longtermwhale:synod.im> Aaajww291: keep ignoring that rucknium is nigerian?

monero community is not talking and just using monero

<longtermwhale:synod.im> what are u racist 4chan retard?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Hes camaroonian

synod.im: the only thing you can't sell is your virginity

Yeah I'm racist, I love NASCAR.

because even the prostitutes get repelled by you

<longtermwhale:synod.im> no he's not ofrn "scammer" xmr. i know his name but the qubic community is kind so i won't dox

<longtermwhale:synod.im> @basses:matrix.org: monero community need to follow monerobull's foot steps

<basses:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im: who's that?

(they left after this) irc.gammaspectra.live/b028187738bc4dd8/image.png

<longtermwhale:synod.im> qubic and monero is one. monero community need to leave for qubic or another respectable coin

????

what does that even mean

its like im talking to a fucking schizophrenic

<basses:matrix.org> embarrasing

you need to leave for touching grass

rather than spending your time failtrolling

:P

<longtermwhale:synod.im> cindy sold :trollface:

<longtermwhale:synod.im> admit it

<longtermwhale:synod.im> @basses:matrix.org: you know sech1 but not monerobull?

> :trollface:

says not on discord

<basses:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im: I forgot who is sech1 is rn

<longtermwhale:synod.im> i learned it from aigarth

<longtermwhale:synod.im> i don't use discord

btw CFB i know you know this, but your "project" is gonna go to zero due to no confidence after the AI bubble pops next year

yes, longtermwhale is right, i sold

<elongated:matrix.org> Qubic and respectable 🤣 > <@longtermwhale:synod.im> qubic and monero is one. monero community need to leave for qubic or another respectable coin

<longtermwhale:synod.im> thank u cindy

.... sold my pokemon cards for monero :P

<longtermwhale:synod.im> i know what u really mean cindy. sold for qubic

<longtermwhale:synod.im> sergey = satoshi

nah

don't engage in the qubic part

no need to talk about qubic

<longtermwhale:synod.im> smart money follow smart people

DataHoarder, fineeee

<longtermwhale:synod.im> too late dathoarder too late :trollface:

where are the operators though

they know the best times to appear now :)

i thought people like this would get banned

aight

it was brought up in recent meetings, it was agreed that something had to be done, but no extra people were added

though some rooms have had rights changed to allow quicker switch now

<longtermwhale:synod.im> all devs leaving that's why!

CFB offered me 50 dollars, but his ass was gross

he wouldn't get me to sell even if he pointed a gun at me

<longtermwhale:synod.im> if any monero dev want to leave for qubic join the discord we have rewards for u

<basses:matrix.org> can you guys please let him talk to the wall?

yeah

anyhow I can just ignore synod.im in the bridge :)

<longtermwhale:synod.im> ignore all u want the reorgs will continue anyway

they will certainly

<longtermwhale:synod.im> lucky qubic doesn't get 51% on purpose. u should be thankful for their kindness

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org

<longtermwhale:synod.im> plowsof left for qubic

where is plowsof:synod.im

<longtermwhale:synod.im> he will become qubic "staff" soon

<elongated:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im: Okay zano shill

CFB, the only thing you wouldn't be able to reorg is a job application

<basses:matrix.org> @longtermwhale:synod.im: why a staff? he's a cryptographer

he probably died give him time

with that felony in your records

<longtermwhale:synod.im> cfb = sergey = satoshi

i know my IRC bouncers used to fuck up a lot, idk for bridges though

<longtermwhale:synod.im> i'm not smart enough

that's true

the only truthful thing he said, holy shit

<longtermwhale:synod.im> arxiv.org/abs/1311.0243

<longtermwhale:synod.im> monero needs PoS

<longtermwhale:synod.im> u call it proof of shit but it's the only option

<basses:matrix.org> already muted

<basses:matrix.org> thanks

the paper they linked mentioned talks nothing about proof-of-stake

lol

don't bother

alright

instead how about feedback on blocks.p2pool.observer

click on some of the blocks

it probably looks shit on phone, I forgot to change something for the sections so they stack vertically

like blocks.p2pool.observer/block/1a3794…e1ea4c9c5d24e41e46049e93d668580817a

or blocks.p2pool.observer/block/eb3877…f78c33df0813c86dd3da6858d3e7879a810

or p2pool block blocks.p2pool.observer/block/669465…ab1b79e547518c984221c612823607589c4

looking pretty good

<basses:matrix.org> looks better than qubic website for sure

fun tidbit "merge mining 2 chains": p2pool is one of the chains, tari the other

this is pure SVG piped out would you believe it (for the main site)

i have an idea

why don't we selfish mine back

<basses:matrix.org> blocks.p2pool.observer/p2pool.webp is low quality

it has been proposed

like all of us, making up our own chain

yeah. p2pool has no logo

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/rwcakJZjrdylYRviquepajrw.png (clipboard.png)

and then push that shit whenever they try to

I have no good logo for it

some pools just have the monero logo too lol

why not just make it text then

Cindy_: better, ignore their chain

"P2P"

Aaajww291: I have no code for it :D

why not make it a SVG

rip

<basses:matrix.org> DataHoarder: this is the logo for your website, right?

no, it's whatever miningpoolstats had for p2p

no idea on source

i'll make a P2P logo for you

in inkscape

there's a few suggestions, some good recently

this was a recent one irc.gammaspectra.live/9000046e8915fb05/image.png

idk about that one from my pov

it just should just be something simple

indeed. it should crop to 16x16 and be recognizable

this more or less does that too, but it's just colors

this is after some iterations of feedback

I think p2pool github issues has some suggestions too

my suggestion is just keep it a simple acronym or a simple object

<basses:matrix.org> looks cool but the ladder will not be visible at this small favicon size > <DataHoarder> this was a recent one irc.gammaspectra.live/9000046e8915fb05/image.png

while not suggesting it, if you just put the monero logo for p2p

that would suffice

but im sure you'll find something

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lGfviBvVLpUeldQoxZQmmzYK.png (clipboard.png)

<basses:matrix.org> will be a nice favicon

<paracosm:synod.im> don't get cocky

<basses:matrix.org> anyways, no need to stress about it p2p logo

<paracosm:synod.im> qubic has a countermeasure against dns checkpoints

<paracosm:synod.im> can't wait for it to go live!

<basses:matrix.org> source?

hey a new one basses

<paracosm:synod.im> check the pinned message in discord

don't fall for it

<paracosm:synod.im> dns checkpointing is a waste of time

yeah he's right its the same bridge

> not on discord > check the pinned discord message

same guy

<basses:matrix.org> ik, already sat homeserver

<basses:matrix.org> guess what try to DDoS DNS provider?

<basses:matrix.org> mf speed running his career into lifetime jail and debt

<paracosm:synod.im> @basses:matrix.org: qubic is unstoppable

<paracosm:synod.im> qubic doesn't need to ddos dns providers

<basses:matrix.org> muted again, nolifer

pinned messages btw: irc.gammaspectra.live/2813814cfd400323/image.png

<paracosm:synod.im> qubic can ddos nodes who enable the dns flag :trollface:

literally pinning my tool cause it's also that useful to qubic

<paracosm:synod.im> discord.gg/2vDMR8m

did aigarth also tell you about what discord is and :trollface: ? :D

DataHoarder: 0x0.st/Kca_.png

look! i made a better version in inkscape

Cindy_: make it roughly square if able

:D

that one is pretty good

but yeah that's good enough, many thanks

<basses:matrix.org> all they got are vibe coders and nolifers > <DataHoarder> literally pinning my tool cause it's also that useful to qubic

I want the data hoarded to be useful, no matter who

<paracosm:synod.im> datahoarder i hoard data like you from aigarth

<paracosm:synod.im> i don't need to use discord

when qubic discloses their view keys, I add them to my tool, and disclose all their verified blocks too. so everyone can get right counts and verify information is legit

provable data is very useful

Cindy_: like literally placing it in the middle and making viewbox square would do

I did the same for supportxmr, they didn't have available SVG for icon only so took it from the font

DataHoarder: 0x0.st/KcaV.png

is this good?

good too

got svg? :)

I don't know how to add credit to you in the page, but you can drop a comment within the SVG XML if that works for you

i'll save real quick

also paracosm:synod.im if you can get me out from quarantine in the discord that'd be great. still quarantined from two weeks ago when I tried to join with the DataHoarder account there

<scottytimberlake:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/FiLENppxISIwSGzCojIWnQHt.png (exposed.png)

<scottytimberlake:matrix.org> I was reading from logs, but I decided to make an account because of how hilarious this is. The sockpuppet is indeed CFB. The Discord link says that the invite sent by paracosm was recently created by 'come_from_beyond', and it's linked to the official CfB Discord profile

the public invites from discord are all made by CfB

so it can be a public link

yep it's the general invite link from year+ ago

<scottytimberlake:matrix.org> Oh okay

<scottytimberlake:matrix.org> My mistake

same pattern reddit.com/r/Qubic/comments/1av93n5/discord

scottytimberlake: it was obvious from the start because of how he was typing

he was very emotionally invested

i cant wait for my irc chat to be on twitter though

someone make a Twitter Monero AI that autoreplies with a random monero-chan pic to each picture. not even AI generated, just random monero-chan

<ofrnxmr> Aaajww291: Its the same person who's been here for yearrrs

thanks to Cindy_ got a nicer p2p logo for p2pool blocks.p2pool.observer/block/e3a3af…406ea1828db306c52c9b871980209ffd66a

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 4k

one thing i realized from the observer

qubic's blocks always have 1 or 2 transactions

while others have a ton

<ofrnxmr> They are their own txs

<ofrnxmr> To combat detective mining

wow

Cindy_: not just withheld txs, but max they have is about 13

it's some fixed amount

and many times they have nothing or just their own txs

dark grey = blocks that only contain their transactions. orange, blocks that contain a mix of their transactions and others

irc.gammaspectra.live/22cdd1dca22268fb/image.png

this shows all examples :D

including light grey

they make transactions so they can mine more?

they make transactions to have secrets in their blocks

I'm mining with my shitty gaming laptop to help defend agianst q*bic

it's like 3kh/s when i'm using it for other stuff and 6.1kh/s when i boot my pc only as cli and just mine monero with nothing else

well yeah

when your laptop is doing nothing else, xmrig has more CPU power to mine with

it gets up to like 6.7kh/s than the cpu downclocks itself for some reason idk why it's not getting super hot or anyting and the psu can draw 80w. Than it jumps down to 60w.

after like 30s

grr i hate laptop bioses

Cindy_ yeah obv

is it running off of a power cable?

does it have proper cooling?

Yes and yes

it only gets up to 70-80c during this

maybe i downvolted it a bit too much earlier idk

i only want it to start trying to downclock at like 90c

i heard you can overclock using cpupower

in linux

you can do it with corefreq and i've tried to

but it doesn't work for some reason

some sort of hardcoded laptop bios thingy

did you load the kernel module?

when i get the money i do intend to throw together a shitty workstation with a used epyc cpu to do simulations for fun

Cindy_ yeah

ah i see

you could try cpupower

which interfaces with an existing scaling driver, rather than trying to have its own

using cpupower doesn't work as well as you'd think it would

my laptop just ignores the minimum clockspeed when it wants to

ah

anyways if anyone with more money than me wants to fight back, best price to perfromance mining rig i could figure out was:

2x AMD epyc 7452(150$ each used on ebay) with whatever duel socket SP3 motherboard you can find and like 16gb of ram and whatever cheep m.2 ssd you can find and whatever psu + cooler + whatever else you can find. All and all that should be around 1500-2000$(mostly the motherboard those are the bottleneck)

But that's a like 100KH/s rig.

and the cpus are only 310 watts for both of them

y'know

you don't need beefy workstations

exactly what i described was the bare minium machine to just use the cpus for mining

the bottleneck again is the mobos

look through e-waste piles

and get as many computers as you can :P

Basically what i'm doing but minimaxing it on ebay becase outside is cringe

get junk laptops, anything from 2011 or whatever

run them all, and hashrate will stack up

Issue there is uh.. horendous power efficiency

But valid even minimaxing like this mining monero is barely profitable so might as well just take the loss i gues

like, the rig i described might make you 2$ a day where I live

But i have a hunch that's not why most do it

hm

<recanman:kernal.eu> > <Colonizor48> 2x AMD epyc 7452(150$ each used on ebay) with whatever duel socket SP3 motherboard you can find and like 16gb of ram and whatever cheep m.2 ssd you can find and whatever psu + cooler + whatever else you can find. All and all that should be around 1500-2000$(mostly the motherboard those are the bottleneck)

<recanman:kernal.eu> i have free electricity, so if you'd like to sponsor costs, i'll set it up 😄

recanman i'm sorta broke rn but thanks for the offer. Also I technically have free electricity because i live with my parents, but if i actually generated any sizable revenue from monero mining i'd split it with my parents to cover power costs + a bit extra

<recanman:kernal.eu> i was joking 😅

oh

<recanman:kernal.eu> what do you do for a living

<recanman:kernal.eu> ?

I'm in college rn. Working in the it dept as an assistent

I commute

<recanman:kernal.eu> Oh cool, you are in US? So what is your major?

Double majoring in math and physics, hopfully also minoring in compsci

<recanman:kernal.eu> Cool

Oh god looking at my old laptops, this one's cpu is so old it doesn't appear on xmrig.com benchmark

Why does my house have so much 2000s-2010 hardware lying around

alright my 3 laptops combined would produce around 960H/s combined probably

my 3 ancient ones

my intution that used epyc cpus are the most efficient for monero is right right?

Thanks mbll

<syntheticbird> Thanks mbll

Okay what the fuck is the deal with Qubic? What are they all about, actually?

They seem like a weird AI cult at first glance. Genuinely like pokemon evil team ahh

my fed detectors are going off

<syntheticbird> Colonizor can you not see that we were trying to start a "Thanks mbll" chain. Very rude

autism

sorry

<syntheticbird> Rral

<syntheticbird> Real*

<syntheticbird> Nah don't be sorty

<syntheticbird> sorry

<syntheticbird> I'm jk

<syntheticbird> And yes you are right

<syntheticbird> At best its a scam. At worst its the fed

AGI isn't even possible yet why are people so obsessed with it. I'll believe we're anywhere close to AGI when we have an AI that can do what a human can do with somewhere within an order of magnitude of the data that a human would need to learn how to do the same task

current ai is nowhere close to either

whatever at least it will prbably mean lots of hceep gpus once the market crashes so i can finally do some fun physics sims :3

but a good thing about cpu mining is that it can suddenly surge when there's an attempted 51% attack

though I should really keep working on that idea i had for a non POW digital economic system thingy based purely on digital signatures

<helene:unredacted.org> Thanks mbll

everyone

what is up

there's a new proposal to mitigate 51% attacks monero-project/research-lab #145

tevador's stuffing more data into tx_extra, daaaamn

<helene:unredacted.org> libera netsplit?

this sounds pretty cool btw, i hope they manage to implement it

a proposal that starts with the word lucky?

yes

Cindy: yes, looks interesting

that's all I need to hear as that has been my life plan 4eva lol

also we need more money-printers

also tev a dor

i mean uhhh miners

can we, should we

y'know, make blocks faster so that we make more money?

<xorchi:matrix.org> Hi everyone, I found this chat on the Monero subreddit. I saw some users worried about selfish mining that managed to reorganize some blocks. There are many things I don't understand. Anyone willing to explain?

qubic managed to make a reorg chain that is 18 block deep

which invalidated 100 or so transactions

<xorchi:matrix.org> More and more. Last I read this information, they had successfully reorged about 9 blocks.

they pretty much got lucky that nobody out-paced them at that moment

yeah, most times they cap themselves at 9 blocks

<helene:unredacted.org> @xorchi:matrix.org: start with telling us what you don't understand :p it's gonna be easier to explain if we know that

<xorchi:matrix.org> A few days ago, my transactions were affected by a reorg of about six blocks. This was something new and quite confusing for me. At first, I thought someone had stolen my wallet. 😁. It turns out that this was the impact of the block reorganization.

ah don't worry

6 blocks isn't enough to actually invalidate your transaction

it's when it reaches >10, where it starts invalidating transactions

if it does affect you, i think the transaction amount gets refunded

<xorchi:matrix.org> My transaction re-entered the mempool after receiving four confirmations. No problem. I'm just curious about what's really happening on the Monero network.

qubic is selfish-mining with a bunch of empty blocks

that is, blocks with either 0 or 1 transactions (which are made by qubic themselves)

this is what tevador's proposal "lucky transactions" tries to solve, because it replaces the old "longest chain is the right chain" rule with one that checks the blocks' weights

and chooses the forks based on the total weight of the blocks within

chooses one of the forks*

<xorchi:matrix.org> Cindy: Sounds good. Hopefully it gets resolved soon.

<alexandre:uii.pt> Cindy: Couldnt that be broken with filling the block with gibberish?

<helene:unredacted.org> you should read the proposal :p

alexandre: nope

lucky transactions are the only transactions that have weight

i mean

that's what the formula looks to me :P

it's a win/win system. users are incentivized to make lucky transactions (if they can) because they don't have to pay any fees on it

and miners are incentivized to mine them and include them in their blocks to make them more heavier (and thus higher chances of preserving their rewards)

<alexandre:uii.pt> Fair :)

tbh this is just my interpretation of the proposal

<qaspr:matrix.org> Are we any closer to consensus (no pun intended) on which proposal is going to be implemented to stop the current attack?

<qaspr:matrix.org> To me, it seems like publish or perish, or the finality layer are the best options.

<qaspr:matrix.org> But that's purely opinion

DNS checkpoints will probably be implemented first

<qaspr:matrix.org> I figured, but that seems like a temporary "quick fix"

<qaspr:matrix.org> Two quick questions: monero.social account registration seems to be disabled??? Also, I'm having trouble verifying my device with element, anyone with the same issue?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Disabled

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Try element x

<sbt:nope.chat> Built a file server which unlocks files by sending requested monero. Feedback is appreciated.

<sbt:nope.chat> codeberg.org/saltylemon/xmrdrop

sbt: you could give users an encrypted version of the file (encrypted with a ephermeral key)

and give them the key once they pay

so that the browser can still be downloading the file while they're trying to pay

<sbt:nope.chat> Cindy: That's good for large files. Will add it to the list.

also it looks like download tokens don't expire at all

at least, in the code

15:14:55 <+br-m> <sbt:nope.chat> Built a file server which unlocks files by sending requested monero. Feedback is appreciated.

cryptolocker as a feature :)

<sbt:nope.chat> Cindy: Yes, I totally forgot. This is just a poc for now, so I must have forgotten a few more things.

Adding this onto blocks that have invalidated transactions, unclear if the wording is good enough irc.gammaspectra.live/6faf582e1accfb25/image.png

<helene:unredacted.org> I feel the wording is good and quite explanatory

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> lgtm

Blocks with invalidated transactions now appear blue in blocks.p2pool.observer chain. Relevant blocks with invalidated transactions:

3499670 blocks.p2pool.observer/block/d3ed1c…0e883df54f99c0e9da6df92c0a6c36d5c7b

3499671 blocks.p2pool.observer/block/021ac5…d0430c1c5cbcf23b19c56fe92ee2fbb2d84

3499672 blocks.p2pool.observer/block/66736b…a5dac2c55c11d076684975fa62476f74e9d

3499675 blocks.p2pool.observer/block/9be23f…fb57411ffb2ccb0e0dc6b3e3b46a3903483

3499676 blocks.p2pool.observer/block/948992…451b2dc625ba1cb9d2f4d6c352689c5ac7d

The blocks in blue irc.gammaspectra.live/3d4322617de1e118/image.png

are users with invalidated transactions required to perform any action? or at least advised to? given funds might being unspensable and the decoy issue i.e. users should churn or so?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just to use a node that has flushed the txs or to flush their own pool

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Otherwise they can wait a week, if they arent in a rush to spend

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The weird behavior here, is that the wallet tries to spend the invalid txs, when it should knows they are in the pool. Probably issues 10013/10067 strikes again

ofrnxmr: thanks

<nyarch:4d2.org> Has anyone experience with exchanging bitcoin at monero.com? I have exchanged the bitcoin with a conformation that they arrived and I could even see in my wallet that I have some monero inbound to my wallet. But now I dont see that anymore and havent got any monero. Is this normal or an error?

When was this incoming transaction made?

roughly, if possible UTC time

<nyarch:4d2.org> Well since I send the bitcoin 1:40h (14:29 UTC) passed and the notification that the monero came were shortly after

You shouldn't have been affected by the recent events then

<nyarch:4d2.org> Does it normally take that long or does the payment notification get "retraced"?

It should be in your wallet directly, if using Monero GUI, you can confirm you are at a recent Monero height

once you see the tx in your wallet incoming, that should take 10 block confirmations

<nyarch:4d2.org> Well I am new and went with Cake Wallet

that should be fine. make sure it says syncrhonized or try to go into settings and tap "reconnect"

<nyarch:4d2.org> I think I also have the transaction status thing from monero.com and it says the transaction has 60 conformations

<nyarch:4d2.org> Oh okay I manually scanned from the block height since 14 UTC and it worked thanks

:)

DataHoarder: i go to your site mostly to look at the p2pool logo

sometimes cake wallet can get stuck depending on which of the nodes listed you connect to.

Cindy: :)

I might try to add some small main/mini/nano text at the bottom right

you should! it'd help differenate the different p2pool chains

<helene:unredacted.org> just make the text size change depending on which one it is :D nano being ultra small

SI units :)

<helene:unredacted.org> well, mini sadly isn't on the SI prefix list

milli :)

<helene:unredacted.org> that would work too

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> expanding on the bank run idea: theoretically, would it be useful to

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> 1. buy/trade for monero on cex that has bad history with monero

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> 2. withdraw monero to self-custody and trade it somewhere else (a trocador exchange with an A rating for example) for another coin

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> 3. deposit that coin into cex from step 1, swap for monero, withdraw, repeat?[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-4qKvrUKeDBrOEpi ]

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> and you could reuse the same funds over and over, quickly, while only paying fees

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> so if someone did it 10 time with 100 usd, the original cex would be depleted 1000 usd worth of monero, minus fees

they would blacklist you for defrauding

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> no, they would receive all their funds

if you do it enough you move the price

enough that those coins you placed elsewhere would flow to exchanges

either by people swapping them or the elsewhere selling on exchange

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> I would have them go to exchanges who can deliver quickly, and have a good rating

changes nothing

all you are doing is give fees

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> so redistribute to exchanges with good behavior, punish exchanges who don't have monero on hand

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> they will buy it back, yes, but at a higher price ideally

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> it's not about hoarding all the monero or keeping it off all cex, it's about moving more of the monero to more accessible platforms, so the people who want it can have fast access to it. It serves the second purpose of financially punishing unfriendler/shadier exchanges

hi

tets

test*

<helene:unredacted.org> if you wanna do that you should provide xmr on atomic swap platforms

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If you wanna do that, dont deposit xmr to cexs, ever

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They get enough deposited when you pay for services, or use many different swappers. The former of whom usually immediately dump the xmr for fiat

<aillia:matrix.org> xcancel.com/AilliaLink/status/1967613122539405517

<torir:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org How do tips work? Is it a custodial wallet controlled by the site or does it go directly to the user's address? Perhaps using a view key like kuno.anne.media does?

<aillia:matrix.org> @torir:matrix.org: it's always P2P: it goes directly to the user's address

<aillia:matrix.org> XmrBazaar is just a web interface / bulletin board / place to meet people: we do not custody funds /keys etc. for many reasons, including to avoid being a "money transmitter" :) So all your transactions, including escrow, are strictly between users; Bazaar is never part of any transaction :) Always P2P.

<torir:matrix.org> Just curious how you send notifications when someone sends a tip.

<basses:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org u working on xmrbazaar?

<aillia:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: yes

<basses:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org: can you test on mobile and do the following:

<basses:matrix.org> open a listing and scroll to bottom

<basses:matrix.org> xmrbazaar.com/listing/vY3d

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/bjUAWnwhxgnafKExGsHZpNuw.png (clipboard.png)

<basses:matrix.org> also the way the PGP key presented to users is a bit off and harder to copy especially for mobile

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Reproduced > <@basses:matrix.org> can you test on mobile and do the following:

<basses:matrix.org> would be great to also have it auto detect my theme preference (dark)

<basses:matrix.org> on xmrbazaar.com/forum if clicked on "Dark mode" button at footer it redirects to homepage and sets dark mode. Should just set dark mode and keep on the same page im on

<aillia:matrix.org> oooh, we know there's a hell of a lot to fix there :) That's why it's still in "beta." Thanks for reporting (though I can't see your screenshot :) )

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its that the footer is covered partially by the floating buttons

<basses:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org: what's with my screenshot?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @basses:matrix.org: Its aillia's client

<aillia:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: I'm sure your screenshot is wonderful :)) The problem is me, not you: I use Matrix via the Tor browser:)

<basses:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org: share.riseup.net/#lkgsGw9KtTbjc_GcmbCEMw

<aillia:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: xmrbazaar.com/forum/topic/12/page/1 ;)

<syntheticbird> TOTAL PROTON SERVICES WILL SOON SUPPORT XMR PAYMENTS CONFIRMED 2025 NOT PATCHED WORKING METHOD SUBSCRIBE TO MY CHANNEL.

<syntheticbird> x.com/davidgpeterson/status/1967548398867030158

<basses:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: not even xcancel, fed

<basses:matrix.org> I already shared this news btw

<basses:matrix.org> . > <@basses:matrix.org> dys2p.com/en/2025-09-09-proton.html

<basses:matrix.org> dys2p.com/en/2025-09-09-proton.html

<syntheticbird> ah sorry

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> found this on my monerod log, haven't seen anything like it before: 2025-09-14 18:43:35.162 E wrong miner tx in block: <fb877ea3400f731c2b948e87655368f1c0486e3c114bb3f8f3839bec1b2f9596>, b.miner_tx.vin.size() != 1

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> and a ton of these errors since 9-13: Transaction not found in pool

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> looks like the errors started becoming very frequent right after block 3498838

<captaincanaryllc:captaincanarynode.org> (running a local node)