<basses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/coin-wallet-monero-crypto-wallet/31101

<ravfx:xmr.mx> wtf is that scamwallet

<ravfx:xmr.mx> fee : monero netork + 0.5% whutwhat?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And it know the real spend yay

<barthman132:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: Proton is a interpol honeypot.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> What a surprise lol

i tried the program out

it sent 3 requests containing unknown base64-encoded data

once i made a monero wallet

also it sends a "wallet ID" which i think is the seed of the wallet, and a device ID and hash of the 4-digit pin

4-digit btw, it can be easily bruteforcable

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ravfx:xmr.mx: The fee is set server-aide

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Weve rejected them for getmonero listing probably 3 times

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This last time, they tried to act like they werent scum, snd tried to spin it like i was being unfair

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero-site #2162#issuecomment-3160400222

the site phones home a little too much for a wallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its not even a wallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a scam*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You spelled it wrong

also btw, i find it laughable that the only form of protection is a 4-digit PIN

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "do u still charge fees?"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "All wallets except GUI and CLI have features that monetize users (buying, selling, swapping, gift card purchases etc.). Since last week buying xmr inside the wallet has become nearly impossible but this option had been available for many years"

that, given a hash (that the script gives to the site servers), can easily be bruteforced with a GPU in 5 minutes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Completely dances around the question

maybe less

who tf uses a 4-digit PIN

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "Why leave such a comment without actually checking?" - coinwallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "Last i checked, ya'll charged fees for withdrawal, so why would deposit $ there?" - ofrn

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy: ther arent that many combinations if 4 digits

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> U sure it woukd take that long?

yeah i'm not sure

it'd probably take like

30 seconds

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 10000 total combinations

for a "local" wallet

it literally does not let you make a wallet without letting it phone home

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Chatgot says it will take a fraction of a second

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy: Edge too 😂

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> For a local wallet, you have to tell it your txid, else it doesnt know abour your balance

holy shit, their webapp is so poorly designed

it cant even phone home to give the servers a pin hash, wallet id or whatever the fuck

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And you have to include an output to them everytime you transact - so they always know which outgoing txs are yours AND how much_ since their is a % of yours

because they didn't implement proper CORS policy

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Sir, why are you spreading fud

oh i get why

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We deserve to be listed in getmonero.org

their servers...... block tor

no joke

i requested the shit myself, and got a 403 forbidden page

YOU SAID YOU SUPPORT TOR!!

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "we don’t share the private view key and we have no way of seeing future user transactions (a good point that was brought up earlier)"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "we are the only wallet that supports Monero without any sync (no local or remote node involved)"

i gave it a random tx ID from blocks.p2pool.observer and guess what

IT GAVE THE SERVERS THE TX ID

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> stop gaslighting!

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "we don’t share the private view key and we have no way of seeing future user transactions (a good point that was brought up earlier)"

and then the servers responded back with the transaction details

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> " Entering a single txid checks one specific transaction, locally."

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> LOCALLY

locally my ass

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> HELLO, CANT YOUR READ

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> NOW LIST PKZ

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> STOP BEING RACIST

it literally contacted a server to get transaction details lol

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> L O C A L L Y

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We dont know anything about your tx

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There is no server

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "It runs entirely on the user’s device, with their keys."

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> gawd

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You monero people are irrational and antisemitic

wtf is the base64 data that the program likes to send

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> defamation, slander!

Just host your own fucking wallet for fucks sake it's not that hard

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "coinwallet is a locally, self hosted, serverless wallet

throw it on an encrypted usb drive or something or keep the keyfile there. And put it all in a veracrypt volume

yeah good

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> please try it before you comment on it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the best wallet in the space

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why? Because we steal your money

had me in the first half :3

>tries to buy monero

>"select your country!"

>afghanistan: "There are currently no providers available."

>united states: "There are currently no providers available."

>literally any country: "There are currently no providers available."

buy another crypto and exchange that crypto for monero p2p

that'd be what i do if i had money yet

Buy BTC from atms

trade it for USDT

trade USDT for monero

usually an easy way to bypass most tracking

just remember you need trx or something for gas and don't be an idiot like that

Base64 encryption with Rot13 key derivation

You wish the wallet is even PIN encrypted at best it has the pin saved in clear text as a client side check

lol

and the pin is checked with the server :P

<letscage.com:matrix.org> BoBeR182: USDT-XMR pool is very risky. I wouldn't suggest

how so?

can you elaborate?

<letscage.com:matrix.org> USDT is a centralized contract

<letscage.com:matrix.org> easy to freeze the pool

aka. tightly controlled in order to keep its peg to the USD

has there ever been a case of the pool freezing to prevent a XMR swap from happening?

<letscage.com:matrix.org> could blacklist the pool

then I guess I recommend BTC > some non-scamcoin > XMR

<letscage.com:matrix.org> there's some swaps doing BTC -> XMR vs

<ofrnxmr> BoBeR182: Btc > xmr

<ofrnxmr> Ltc > xmr

<ofrnxmr> Why would you need a coin in the middle

<torir:matrix.org> To hide the fact that you are buying XMR from the blockchain?

<elongated:matrix.org> @torir:matrix.org: There is no btc to xmr blockchain

<torir:matrix.org> Depends on how you buy the XMR.

BTC > LTC > ETH > BTC > ZCASH > DOGE > SCAM > XMR is the only way

<elongated:matrix.org> @torir:matrix.org: Once you are in xmr, it doesn’t matter

<torir:matrix.org> It depends on your threat model. But if your threat model is, "the EU just banned privacy coins and I need to buy XMR anyway", it would be really bad if the government could follow the coins to an exchange and try to compel the exchange to say what its customers bought.

<torir:matrix.org> I mean, let me rephrase that.

<torir:matrix.org> If a government bans XMR but evidence exists on the blockchain linking your purchase of Bitcoin to some swap service or exchange where you bought Monero, and the government finds that out, they are going to restrict you from buying Bitcoin at the very least, if they don't try to jail you.

<torir:matrix.org> .... thinking about it though, most swap services you'll be fine. You can't usually tell on the blockchain what coin was purchased.

<torir:matrix.org> It's only a threat if the government can compel the swap service to share information on its customer's trades.

You should always bounce to a phone wallet or two

CASH > EXCHANGE BTC > PHONE BTC > DESKTOP BTC > SWAP XMR > PHONE XMR > DESKTOP XMR > Actual private transactions start here

BoBeR182 don't forget to bounce it through a custodied wallet because companies can are better at you than your own pricacy or something

that's what the exchange is for

Actually nah it should be

there is some aspect to leaving coins on an exchange as a "way" to mix

since your actual coins might end up in the cold storage

so internet tracing by private companies gets stopped

but governments can request via courts

it's a trade off

DESKTOP XMR > Gift Cards > Italian Restraunt front > Gold > Palladium > ZCASH > US Govt Bonds > Euros > Swiss Franks > XMR wallet running on Xbox one processor > (Private transactions start here)

<elongated:matrix.org> If you are in EU, you have bigger problems than XMR > <@torir:matrix.org> It depends on your threat model. But if your threat model is, "the EU just banned privacy coins and I need to buy XMR anyway", it would be really bad if the government could follow the coins to an exchange and try to compel the exchange to say what its customers bought.

What's the EU gonna do ban PGP :3

Counterargument:

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<kevino:tchncs.de> Why spamming?

<houseandtiger:matrix.org> Checkpoint would be introduced, right?

<galaxy-nova:matrix.org> qui êtes-vous

<galaxy-nova:matrix.org> c'est quoi cet salon

<sbt:nope.chat> What's the reason behind recent price surge?

<eddie:oblak.be> full moon

<syntheticbird> @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: et sinon le titre en haut de ton ecran c est pour les chiens?

<syntheticbird> @eddie:oblak.be: this so much true

<helene:unredacted.org> oh ça parle français là

<helene:unredacted.org> macron démission, vive le québec libre, etc.

<sbt:nope.chat> French taking over the chat

<helene:unredacted.org> monero project will now officially communicate in french exclusively

but only Quebecois

<eddie:oblak.be> @helene:unredacted.org: and you will have to verify your age 🧌

<helene:unredacted.org> with fries, gravy and cheese curds on top

<helene:unredacted.org> if you're a woman and someone wants to verify your age, say that you're in your 20s, and if they say otherwise, they're clearly being rude

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> true!! > <@helene:unredacted.org> macron démission, vive le québec libre, etc.

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> i cannot agree more

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> but i don't agree so much that i would speak fr*nch

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> i wonder how many canadians exist here

<helene:unredacted.org> well, you must be from france, as no québécois would call themselves canadian and refuse to speak french given the opportunity :p

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> no sorry i'm a poser i'm actually a vancouverite 😔

<helene:unredacted.org> hah, also works

<helene:unredacted.org> :D

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> i like poutine, but i didn't pay attention to my years of french class though i wish i did, it is a good language

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> it is at least better than english

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> we do a little bit of linguistic perescriptivism

<helene:unredacted.org> all languages have their own strengths :D

<eddie:oblak.be> ugh French, move it to #monero-offtopic:monero.social 😜

<eddie:oblak.be> Or should be change the name of the project Monero to Monnaie ?

<ret2pop:matrix.nullring.xyz> @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: i did not notice that this was my friend galaxynova xd

<eddie:oblak.be> imgur.com/a/3PWq9JK , it's been a month of MRR data, for what it's worth

qubic seems to have reverted their transaction code and are including up to 20 transactions per each of their blocks

@eddie:oblak.be got this data in raw form?

<eddie:oblak.be> Yes

I'd be interesting in hoarding it. for reasons :)

<eddie:oblak.be> DM me 😉

<eddie:oblak.be> Do IRC to Matrix dm's work?

there are no puppets on this side, I disabled them for now

it's a relay on this side

<eddie:oblak.be> ok

puppets on matrix side

(I sent DM)

People can opt-in for a puppet on this side (then DMs work) but I disabled that while testing new bridge

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> Pubics hashrate seems to be increasing on an upward trajectory and they are not selfish mining lately?

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> According to neopool

<kevino:tchncs.de> Neopool is the sponsor ad on the website :P

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> Oh lol

<kevino:tchncs.de> miningpoolstats website

they are not selfish mining, correct

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> Should I dump now before they pull a 50 block reorg or wait 🤪

their hashrate increases cause they are more efficient and earn more without selfish mining

Here's the full reorg event from September 14th with clickable links blocks.p2pool.observer/event/reorg_sep14_18/plot.svg

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> Ahh ok that make sense, they have stopped kicking themselves in their own balls!

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> Hash rate is mental, so is price, normally that would correlate, but Monero is in No Mans Land

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> Which is exactly where "they" don't want it to be 😂

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Any good android wallet with ledger support?

TradeOgre funds moving forum.nexa.org/t/tradeogre-assets-on-the-move/1549

what's tradeorge's actual domain

when i search on DDG, i get a ton of domainjackers/phisher

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: Cake is, iirc, the only one with ledger support

Cindy: it was tradeogre . com

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> nssy: To buy qubic as all roads lead to cfb (satoshi) :trollface:

did you switch domains, synod.im

sigh...

yep seems they did

<basses:matrix.org> people with such low IQ exist?

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @sbt:nope.chat: Big brain move came from cfb. He had been longing Monero, and using the money he earns, cfb (who I call satoshi now) plans to buyback Qubic 👍️

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @basses:matrix.org: Satoshi is not low iq. Satoshi created AI, and Qubic

<basses:matrix.org> LOL

satoshicfb has a very very high IQ

just don't tell him that the IQ tester represented the IQ value as an unsigned integer

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Are you one of the bitcoin whales trying to take down cfb?

<basses:matrix.org> Cindy: Cindy, in dog years

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Satoshi is unstoppable and the Qubic community will protect him

<basses:matrix.org> lol

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @basses:matrix.org: 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dog years = XMR = low price

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Cat years = Qubic = high price

thank you for explaining in cavemen terms

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> No problem 👍️

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Satoshi helped Monero community go from cave to genius

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Qubic protects Monero 👍️👌Low IQ "analyst" like @xenumonero destroy it

stop talking like a yt shorts kid

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: It works on android?

you write messages like you're posting comments on youtube shorts

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Oh I see. I have checked before and I thought it didn't support ledger on the android app.

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> But I see it on the description now.

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Will check thank you.

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: When accept Qubic?

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> As payment option!

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> @satoshicfb:we2.ee: Soon, around never.

satoshicfb: i have a question for you

did CFB personally recruit you for 10 cents a day from an indian facebook group

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: But Monero = double spend you will lose your business! Qubic has no double spend

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> I recommend trusting Qubic after all satoshi is behind it all

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> No I'm real👌

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Satoshi only funds Qubic

you manage to be even worse than the synod.im troll

which is something i can't believe can be possible

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> No troll only Qubic 👌👍️

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> We can work together Qubic and Monero. Satoshi and Satoshi 🤝

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @xenumonero Please be peaceful and remove your bad tweets about cfb and Qubic. Please do not censor Qubic in future posts. Qubic is Satoshi and we need to be kind to each other ❤️

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> 🤝

what i can tell from those messages is: does CFB pay you in something else instead of money?

does he give you the locations of the nearest shit you're high up on?

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Who is cfb?

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> You mean satoshi? He is good too much for me 😍

no way did CFB's standard for trolls drop this lo

low*

you are laughable

<basses:matrix.org> pathetic!

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> No hate blocked 👋

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Only peace with Qubic!

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @basses:matrix.org: 👋

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Qubic is only 2000 buy before it goes to 100000000+

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> AIgarth swaps go from unsafe 🤮 Monero ->>>>>> transform ->>>>> Qubic 🤟

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> SoonTM from satoshi

how high are you

your messages are on the same tier as kids making comments on youtube videos lol

this smells desperation

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Hi pumpxmr 👋

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Hear about Qubic? Not despair like Monero... we work together and end of day Qubic >>>>>>> Monero!

kid get off the ipad

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> More and more friends will join from Qubic community we all become friends 💌

<basses:matrix.org> and?

<basses:matrix.org> why are you in our room bothering us?

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @basses:matrix.org: qubic.org/whitepaper

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Future is in your hands~

<basses:matrix.org> idfc

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> @basses:matrix.org: Qubic.org will make own room and join monero.org REORG 👍️ 👌

satoshicfb i have a question

how much was on that roblox giftcard that CFB gave you

because kid, this isn't worth it lol

<basses:matrix.org> oh sech recommended that whitepaper as a good science fiction book, thanks!

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> @satoshicfb:we2.ee: i hope you are just a troll.

<basses:matrix.org> @satoshicfb:we2.ee: what is monero domain?

servers.guru: for a troll, they really suck at being one

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Cindy: Average qubic enjoyer.

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> Monero community will become Qubic community satoshi vision...

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> 01:00 PM

<satoshicfb:we2.ee> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lqHx4LUKVjlhenI3 ]

LOL

<basses:matrix.org> lmao pasting from a script

what the fuck is this

<basses:matrix.org> Monero community will become Qubic community satoshi vision...

<basses:matrix.org> 01:00 PM

<basses:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/7tLz4LUKRlpCeGlp ]

CFB should fire you tbh

<basses:matrix.org> here original, kid you cut so bad lmaooooo

you suck at trolling for him

<basses:matrix.org> LOOOL MF caught in 4k

kid, get off the ipad

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> I lost 10 iq point reading this.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monerobull:monero.social @plowsof:matrix.org ban plz

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> The cherry on the cake is "removing os ensure more security"

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Push that even further, no coin no vulnerability

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: Really? I didnt read and i lost probably twice that

satoshicfb: how much robux does CFB pay you for this crap job

<basses:matrix.org> a lot of kids are joining Qubic thinking it will make them indepenedent from their parents

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> But stopping the qubic project you protect it from exploit.

<servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.ser…s.guru/xsMBiYuvlnpfjWCQavYaAHan.jpg (1000006166.jpg)

this is child labor lol

plowsof: ^ if able

did they stop talking?

i'm starting to think that they accidentally fucked their job up and bailed anyway

if the mods didn't ban them

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> Clean it up jannies

<basses:matrix.org> he left immediately after I pasted the edited part of his AI script

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Took him a few mins to leave other rooms

<basses:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: hard to find that leave button on element!

<basses:matrix.org> discord very easy

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> surprised it even works

<helene:unredacted.org> it's so nice of qubic to run a free advertising campaign for monero, it gives awareness that there is a coin that exists for privacy with traditional cypherpunk roots 🙏

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pyxmr2025:matrix.org @pyxmr2025:mozilla.org you there? Which of your accounts is the correct one

helene: maybe that's what the troll meant by pubic helping monero

<helene:unredacted.org> maybe :D

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy: do you actually enjoy responding to trolls you do it everytime 😂

<eddie:oblak.be> nssy: Interesting stuff

<eddie:oblak.be> How can it be verified that the onchain message was indeed created by RCMP? Anyone can put whatever message, right?

<monerobull:matrix.org> this always happens

<monerobull:matrix.org> "oh they faked it"

<monerobull:matrix.org> and 2 days later theres an official report by the agency

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: 🖕

<eddie:oblak.be> of course, you would be stupid to just trust things at face value on the internet

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Fuck off moonboy

<helene:unredacted.org> wow rude

<andrewjackson:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: One guy can't secure his Bitcoin and then ruins a whole eco system, Bitcoin = poison for third parties

<monerobull:matrix.org> @mbyuvi:matrix.org: literally who are you

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @helene:unredacted.org: No moonboys

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Monero is cash

<eddie:oblak.be> @andrewjackson:matrix.org: what do you mean?

<monerobull:matrix.org> @mbyuvi:matrix.org: who hurt you? i know, the canadian authorities kek

<helene:unredacted.org> @eddie:oblak.be: it's highly likely though, putting that message in a transaction is a sure way to get the coins blacklisted on a bunch of smart contracts even if it's a lie

<eddie:oblak.be> I'm going to add messages to my transactions "property of Elysee"

<eddie:oblak.be> Wonder what would happen

<helene:unredacted.org> "original coins - DO NOT STEAL - copyright to the owners"

<eddie:oblak.be> @helene:unredacted.org: Why would LE wants to blacklist seized funds under their own control?

<eddie:oblak.be> afraid they will lose control again 🤔?

<basses:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: seized coins are not liquidized

<eddie:oblak.be> what you mean with that?

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> HELP

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: Can we get our coins back?

<basses:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: u mean OFAC sanctioned addresses?

<eddie:oblak.be> No

<eddie:oblak.be> If LE controls the private keys, because apparently they are able to move the funds themselves, then what is the point of marking it

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: FU

<eddie:oblak.be> @eddie:oblak.be: except for flexing muscle of course

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> monero.town more like monero.dead

<monerobull:matrix.org> it was never supposed to grow this large

<monerobull:matrix.org> its a imperfect emergency backup in case the subreddit gets nuked

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: xenu replaced you

<monerobull:matrix.org> replaced me from where lol

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Source of information

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Everyone gets their news from xenu instead of the monerobull-tyranny-run subreddit that banned Swapuz for no reason and held them ransom

<monerobull:matrix.org> lmfao

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Asking for 10 XMR to post? You are the worst kind of moonboy

<monerobull:matrix.org> ah yes, sech1, plow and mb, the notorious moon gang

<monerobull:matrix.org> asking for 10 XMR because its fucking insulting to flood the sub with ai slop, promise to not do it again and then do it again

<monerobull:matrix.org> the mods already do this shit for free

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Fuck you and Haveno

<monerobull:matrix.org> dont make it harder with automated ai slop

<monerobull:matrix.org> fuck your centralized garbage exchange

<basses:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: oh I read the actual forum post 👍

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: Swapuz risked everything sourcing funds from places like Ogre so we could deliver a quality service for the Monero community. This is how you repay Swapuz?

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Monero is going to use centralized DNS checkpoints. How is Swapuz any worse?

<monerobull:matrix.org> the r/monero mods work without compensation to help the sub stay clean from scams and spam and you repay them by spamming ai slop after they already told you to stop?

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Fuck you and your censorship. xenu is better and we trust them instead

<eddie:oblak.be> Can you take the drama to DMs please?

<monerobull:matrix.org> @lordx3nu:matrix.org: should we raise the swapuz reinstatement fee to 100 xmr?

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> At least xenu admits centralized swap services are needed. You spread Haveno propaganda

<monerobull:matrix.org> kek

<monerobull:matrix.org> oh no, here i go shilling the decentralized p2p exchange again, the only option i still have as a european to swap without relying on some shady middleman

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: Again fuck you I'm ending the conversation here Swapuz was innocent. You are turning r/Monero into r/bitcoin

<monerobull:matrix.org> for any onlookers, sapuz spammed automated ai comments under every post, multiple per minute

<monerobull:matrix.org> i banned them, they said "it was their intern and they fired him" so i unbanned them

<monerobull:matrix.org> two days later they started spamming the same comments again

<monerobull:matrix.org> so i banned them and told them to donate 10 XMR to the monero general fund if they want to get unbanned

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monerobull:matrix.org: Be nice

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Let them post for 1xmr per post

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: You sold all your Monero for Qubic. No one can trust what you say

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "The subscription model"

<monerobull:matrix.org> @mbyuvi:matrix.org: lol thats so insulting. id never be retarded enough to buy such a shitcoin

<monerobull:matrix.org> i thought about shorting it

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Moonboys only chase trends and censor anyone who fights against these trends

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If they already posted 100 comments, then give them 1 time discount settlement of 10xmr

<monerobull:matrix.org> hey xenu

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> Can I get some of that 👀 > <@monerobull:matrix.org> @lordx3nu:matrix.org: should we raise the swapuz reinstatement fee to 100 xmr?

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Swapuz was a fighter and we will continue to fight

<monerobull:matrix.org> @lordx3nu:matrix.org: 100 xmr, as sanctioned by xenu

<monerobull:matrix.org> good job, swapuz will have to caugh up 10x thanks to you

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: We are thinking of delisting Monero anyway if this continues

<monerobull:matrix.org> oh no

<monerobull:matrix.org> tragic

<monerobull:matrix.org> where should users go

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Censorship and the threat of a double spend from Qubic

<monerobull:matrix.org> maybe i can recommend them a decentralized exchange

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> We will continue to fight, but the battle may be lost because of bad actors like monerobull

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: Fuck you and your Honeypot Haveno

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Swapuz is safer and easier than Haveno

<monerobull:matrix.org> btw i know you are not related to swapuz and are just using this to troll

<monerobull:matrix.org> weve done this like 10 times before

<monerobull:matrix.org> at some point ill get bored and ban you mr kewbit

<monerobull:matrix.org> but right now its fun

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> ofrnxmr knows I'm not Qubic

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> s/Qubic/Kewbit

<monerobull:matrix.org> actually, you didnt even have the decency to use offtopic this time

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> Offtopic is for crazies like Juliu

<mbyuvi:matrix.org> And his buddies

<plowsof:matrix.org> Our lawyers are drafting a cease and desist letter as we speak

<helene:unredacted.org> Law Enforcement seized funds never leave seizing, they are practically "burned" > <@eddie:oblak.be> Why would LE wants to blacklist seized funds under their own control?

<eddie:oblak.be> I would guess so, so why the message

<eddie:oblak.be> It's like repackaging cocaine in police wrap before burning?

<helene:unredacted.org> @eddie:oblak.be: in the case of cocaine it actually gets consumed, and there's no traces of it "disappearing"

<helene:unredacted.org> for stuff as public as those cryptocurrencies it's sadly a bit too visible so they don't

<eddie:oblak.be> @helene:unredacted.org: what :p

<eddie:oblak.be> corrupt cops might resell it, but it's not the default I hope 😅

<helene:unredacted.org> it happened recently-ish in france that a cop got arrested for actually being a dealer; might be a default in many places eh? :p

<eddie:oblak.be> The fact the cop got arrested for it shows it's not the default

<helene:unredacted.org> well, it took quite a bit for him to get arrested, so you know!

<helene:unredacted.org> just because it's not a good public look doesn't mean it's not a default

"might be a default in many places eh? :p" < this is more normal than people think

<eddie:oblak.be> So then the police is funded by drugs money?

less "the police" as entity, more "some cops"

<eddie:oblak.be> That's where I wanted to say, out of tens of thousands of cops, there are obviously a few hundred criminal ones, but it's hopefully not dictated by the governance

<helene:unredacted.org> it's very difficult for cops to be investigated by other cops, for a bunch of reasons

<eddie:oblak.be> yeah

<helene:unredacted.org> if you're a cop and you suspect a coworker doing something very illegal, good luck reporting it and have it go through; it's also very likely that the entire hierarchy already knows and either doesn't want to do anything about it, or is involved in it

<helene:unredacted.org> if it's the latter, you might "disappear"

<eddie:oblak.be> not to long ago, some cop here was driving patrols without a driving license

<eddie:oblak.be> then he got into an accident and killed someone

<eddie:oblak.be> @helene:unredacted.org: any cops here want to comment on this ? 😬

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Why all the hate against cops? Cops protect us. I'm sick of all the extremists in Monero. Only a small minority of cops are bad and there are more sinister drug dealers than bad cops

<helene:unredacted.org> i'm glad you joined to say that, you convinced me. i have learned the errors of my ways

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> I can't convince mind broken anarchists

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Technofeudalism is our future. Monero will help provide the state a trustworthy replacement instead of using centralized CBDCs

<ravfx:xmr.mx> We know really well what did append to cities that defunded the cops

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Most/all of there are ***holes now

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Problem are not the cops (usually).

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Problem is the state

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The state need a monero for there cover/shady operations

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @ravfx:xmr.mx: No, the state is okay. Sometimes citizens need to develop products in the free market (like Monero) and the state can adopt successful market products

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The scam is always there to try to scam in one more more way

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> I don't know what your definition of state is

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Mine is a society ruled by tech companies who become the state

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Your local gouvernment, usually

<helene:unredacted.org> thank you for the armchair philosophy but i was just paraphrasing what a cop in the child protection brigade in france was explaining about having had to denounce another cop that was a sexual predator, and how he had to go to a journal & more to get the accusations to actually get taken seriously by his hierarchy lol

<helene:unredacted.org> it wasn't an argument on whether cop good or bad

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @ravfx:xmr.mx: It will no longer exist

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> I don't know when

<eddie:oblak.be> I always ask myself when the state obviously goes bad the cops blindly follow. How is that not bad? > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> We know really well what did append to cities that defunded the cops

<preland> No country wants to have to deal with forex and trade barriers, but no country wants to give up currency control to another. > <@nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Technofeudalism is our future. Monero will help provide the state a trustworthy replacement instead of using centralized CBDCs

<preland> There are only two ways a universal currency can exist: total domination of everything by a single country, or all countries agree on a common medium that cannot be controlled or manipulated by any one party.

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @preland: Thank you buttcoiner preland

<preland> Of course, most countries prefer the former.

<preland> If the former isn’t feasible….then the latter becomes the only option

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @eddie:oblak.be: The cops are usually part of the city no?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The city might execute what the state ask exactly, or no

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> The latter is inevitable

<eddie:oblak.be> @ravfx:xmr.mx: cops operate on different levels, you have local / national / border / ...

<preland> @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Hearing the opinions of those with a polar opposite and immovable opinion is rather helpful.

<preland> It has helped me see what Monero is, as well as what it can never be.

<eddie:oblak.be> sometimes cops fight each other

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Do tell

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What can it never be, and what is it

<eddie:oblak.be> @ravfx:xmr.mx: what I'm trying to say is that cops barely seem able to think for themselves. Which sometimes is required, but can be very dangerous.

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @preland: It has helped me realize how retarded people can be.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, by cops I mean the police.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Not the border patrol, military, National Guard, etc, etc

<eddie:oblak.be> @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: you need monero for that 😂?

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Americanscream sums up their entire opinion

<helene:unredacted.org> monero can never be me

<helene:unredacted.org> and i can never be monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Who they "their"

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @eddie:oblak.be: Yes

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: r/buttcoin

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Which americanscream? The real one or the imposter?

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Both have pretty much the same opinion

<preland> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: It can’t work as a “mixer”, which is something I’ve been saying for a while

<preland> There isn’t any scenario where using Monero as a currency intermediary would work in the long run.

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Monero is for criminals, Monero is a waste of energy, Monero is unnecessary, Monero is expensive, and Monero cannot scale

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Obviously, it isnt a mixer.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Monero is cash

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why would you think it was?

<preland> @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Tbh AS doesn’t know much about xmr; most of those criticisms are leveled mainly against Bitcoin

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats like sayong "my dog cant work as a cat".. no shit

<fijxu:nadeko.net> I didn't

<fijxu:nadeko.net> what?

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @ravfx:xmr.mx: r/buttcoin thinks what I listed

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Obviously not me

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "My car cant work as a boat"

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It's funny when people try to use monero just for the mixin part and get cooked

<helene:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: what if it meows though

<preland> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: “Monero is a privacy tool, like Tor”: does that ring any bells?

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @preland: He controls all the communites so his opinions naturally trickle down

test

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> @ravfx:xmr.mx: You can use Monero for mixing, though you need to use it correctly

<preland> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Yeah

<fijxu:nadeko.net> Fijxu_: took like 20 seconds to send

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Monero work better when your not constantly swaping. It work better when used as your bank account and way to spend.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @preland: ????????...??????

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The problem when you use monero for "mixin" is that you go from something else to monero back to something else

<preland> This

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> It's the same with Bitcoin privacy. It's possible, though not simple

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> My fork is a utensil, like my spoon

<preland> @ravfx:xmr.mx: This.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> you have to be really careful with the in and out. Hence, Monero is not a mixing tool

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Does not mean that you stab mean with a spoon

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Meat*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Theres literally like a 10 year okd YOUTUBE video about this (EAE)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> you can stab with a spoon, but you need a really strong spoon

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its been known since day -100 that monero is not a mixer

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> You cannot spend Monero if merchants cannot swap back into fiat > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> Monero work better when your not constantly swaping. It work better when used as your bank account and way to spend.

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Along the chain someone needs an exit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ravfx:xmr.mx: I mean.. i eat ice cream from the contaoner with a knife too

<nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Circular economy is an anarchist wish that will never come true

<eddie:oblak.be> I feel some frustration

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It's like buttering toasts with a spoon

<eddie:oblak.be> stop caring about other people's dreams... 🤷‍♂️

<preland> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: There has been a significant amount of public display where Monero is advertised as a privacy tool

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But eddie, youe dreams are important to us

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @preland: From which marketing arm?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Which advertising firm is this?

<preland> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Oh nobody important, just like

<preland> The first speaker at MoneroKon 2024.

<preland> youtu.be/iBOumm2SrcU?si=1crD-x9qxIo1TmLZ

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero provides confidential transactions

<preland> Yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @preland: Take it up with the twisted edwards non-profit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Sounds like nobidy to me. Didnt they also have "kill russians" and "enshitification" speakers?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerokon isnt monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerokon is a conference organized by an unrelated nonprofit organization

<helene:unredacted.org> 90% of arguments stop right before both parties are in agreement; keep arguing

<eddie:oblak.be> @preland: So what. It's up to each individual user to do research about what it can do

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: they did?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I did not watch other than the first day video that I was told to remove (I wanted the original experiance, did not watch any of the individual video on youtube)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not this year

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It was last year, but yes

<eddie:oblak.be> @eddie:oblak.be: Are you also going to go around being angry that washing powder doesn't wash as white as advertised?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> someone called the police on him

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @eddie:oblak.be: This sounds like racism. 1st warning /s

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "i recently discovered that monero is not a mixer"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Very much implies that.. you previously thought it was?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero is no more of a privacy tool than cash. Its not a privacy tool, its just not a surveillance one

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a cryptocurrency that, in contrast to the status quo, provides confidentiality near-par to cash and slightly greater than credit/debit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Confidentiality doesnt mean "this coin helps you to wash bitcoin"

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Monero is probably the only one that is "as confidential or better, than a bank"

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Firo and some other might be good to, but there not as usable as monero (no one accept them)

<eddie:oblak.be> What? Must be a misunderstanding then, or I didn't catch your sarcasm > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This sounds like racism. 1st warning /s

<helene:unredacted.org> @eddie:oblak.be: the /s is a known internet thing used to mark sarcasm

<eddie:oblak.be> I'm new on the internet sorry

<helene:unredacted.org> @eddie:oblak.be: it's okay it's a zoomer thing (/s)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Can we edit chat with that new IRC spammy bridge?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Or we need to continue to "sed"

<ravfx:xmr.mx> test

<ravfx:xmr.mx> answer is no, no "edit" get to the bridge user

<preland> I never thought it was; but for a while that was the consensus > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Very much implies that.. you previously thought it was?

<preland> Very few would literally refer to it as a mixer, but some would. Others would just describe using it in the same way as you’d use a mixer (“just take your [insert payment method], trade it into Monero, then trade it back out into [insert payment method]. It’s the intended way to use Monero, after all”)

<letscage.com:matrix.org> how many block were reorganized in the last attack ?

<basses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/2fiat-c…d-mastercard-paid-with-crypto/31153

<basses:matrix.org> thoughts?

<basses:matrix.org> looks sketchy and new

<helene:unredacted.org> aren't there already a lot of similar services offering US-issued virtual prepaid cards?

<basses:matrix.org> @helene:unredacted.org: yep

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/qoWz5bUKS3lwaUJi/1.txt (code snippet, 4 lines)

<basses:matrix.org> their fees

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @preland: It was never the consensus

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It was deluded bitcoiners method of coping with their inferiority complex

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "dont hold monero! Just use it as a condom! This prevents the woman from telling your wife!"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> pure delusions

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Afaik, monero has always discouraged "pass through" usage. Its the SAME problem as using optiobal-privacy coins and using the privacy function as an intermediary

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Straight garbage take to claim that using monero as a mixer has ever been promoted by anyone who isnt retarded

<letscage.com:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: too much baby

hello

<basses:matrix.org> 👋

I have never scrolled through so much without reading it lol

<helene:unredacted.org> you're not missing much!

oui

i actually wonder what does CFB give to his trolls

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: iou? :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Head

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ravfx:xmr.mx: std

i was thinking maybe robux

like maybe he hires the most stupidest kids

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy_: Maybe... 😅😂

I have made this Timeline of Monero 18-block reorg on September 14th, 2025 github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14

<rbrunner7> Nice, solid info, thanks DataHoarder

if you have any suggestions on changes or wording, feel free to reach out

<ofrnxmr> @datahoarder "If the sender is an atomic swap, that could cause further issues." < the sender is pretty safe here

<ofrnxmr> The recipient is the one who may lose funds if tx reversed or invalidated

it falls onto the multisig part then, and the other chain to timeout?

<ofrnxmr> Nah, atomic swaps dont use monero's multisig

<ofrnxmr> Haveno does

<ofrnxmr> they use keyshares for a wallet that each party owns half of the private key for

<hbs:matrix.org> If the recipient waits long enough (>18 conformations) before acknowledging the reception the atomic swap should complete normally > <@ofrnxmr> The recipient is the one who may lose funds if tx reversed or invalidated

<ofrnxmr> yea

<ofrnxmr> If the recipient / non-xmr side doesnt release their coins to the xmr side, then np

<ofrnxmr> Sub-10 block reorgs dont cause issues for atomic swaps

<ofrnxmr> They do for multisig/haveno

<ofrnxmr> Invalid txs are only an issue if the sender of the xmr has already received the non-xmr payment

<ofrnxmr> The sender of the xmr will get their xmr back, with no knowledge of who was supposed to get the xmr

Well, one line's good enough to sum it all up. Fuck the fash. Hopefully a Nuremberg will be held for those assholes after I'm dead.

basse: if you're here... By dragnet and niche ? Well:

<basses:matrix.org> yes

Monero is a good coin. Doesn't try to be everything, just tries to be bitcoin with the lack of privacy fixed (I know other people favour other things, but the privacy thing is my interest here).

<basses:matrix.org> XMR saved family lifes in war where you couldn't send them money due to payment service shutting down operations in country they live in or someone fleeing from warzone.

And yet, it's a ridiculously small amount of adoption compared to Bitcoin.

People just don't give a shit. People just don't care, and don't even imagine they'll care, about privacy in their transactions.

Or maybe they think it's mostly pointless to try to care ? Some of it all I guess.

Yes, that is good, but still nuche , as in very few people. No widespread usage.

As for dragnet...

<basses:matrix.org> ofrnxmr, Pegasus (2011 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)) existed before Monero

In the last few days, the self claimed champions of free speech in the US have started a massive witch hunt against people who exericse their free speech to avoid fluffing some asshole who got murdered.

<basses:matrix.org> moneromoooo, not true, see the movement against ChatControl

<basses:matrix.org> also the spread of FOSS alternatives

<basses:matrix.org> growth won't be rapid even if so, lack of funds in majority of projects will show signs

It is based on social media, but financial links will be used, since the US govt atm is basically the top level of that disgusting fash movement.

What exactly are you saying is not true here ?

<basses:matrix.org> so growing at low rate is a good thing with funds and time contraints from FOSS devs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I know > <@basses:matrix.org> ofrnxmr, Pegasus (2011 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)) existed before Monero

<basses:matrix.org> U.S and U.K are very dystopian you got no choice on survalliance bills and laws

<basses:matrix.org> > What exactly are you saying is not true here ?

<basses:matrix.org> People not caring about privacy

Well, maybe they do care, there are surverys saying they care. But they care a lot less than other things.

<basses:matrix.org> surveillance*

<basses:matrix.org> > Well, maybe they do care, there are surverys saying they care. But they care a lot less than other things.

<basses:matrix.org> They also do not care in a lot of other stuff, not only privacy

About the Chatcontrol thing, it's mostly pointless. It comes back again and againand again until it passes. Because so many people are OK with it. It'll pass eventually.

<basses:matrix.org> who said they are OK? Most of these bills rely on people not paying attention so they resist it

aka they do not care ?

<basses:matrix.org> so they can't resist it until it's late*

Chatcontrol has been a thing for ages.

<basses:matrix.org> No, not hearing even about it

And every time something passes, the next step comes ip. It never ends.

Some people care, but not enough.

<basses:matrix.org> but if you ask people on street about it, majority of them will be clueless

If *people* cared, it'd never get close to passing.

I do my part moneromoooo

Thank you :)

but yeah. comes back in different forms, different groups

different purpose attached to same law

meanwhile > "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services."

To be fair, I did not complain about rivacy laws either. I went straight to code.

<basses:matrix.org> DataHoarder: Denmark moment

<basses:matrix.org> dumb people in charge, I bet they don't even know that this law applies to them and all of their messages will be scanned too ;)

Politicians typically get an opt out.

They know very well.

this explicitly has opt out for government bodies and military yeah

But now it's worse than just spying on everyong. The cunts in the US govt are angling for pogroms. Possibly a genocide.

they make fun of the French for being eternally in strike but that is the way

Well, military I can accept. As long as checks within the military, fwiw.

sadly everyone is too busy trying to live day to day to bother moneromoooo :D

Well, you'd think that, and that does have some weight.

But if you look at all the fucking shitstains on social media howling for violence against innocent people, I'm not buying it.

Doing nothing against privacy invasions because you're living day to day ? OK, I buy that.

the frog has been utterly boiled and has lost sense of heat

now is getting well cooked

Spending hours calling for pogroms against trans people ? Not for a fucking second. This is fucking hitler again. People said "never again ?". In the US, it's "now, again, plz".

And, sadly, monero is a bit too late to provide some measure of protection to the people who need it most.

Granted, protection only in a small sector, the financial one, but still.

you made tools, but it's up to people to use the tools in the end

It's weird. I was kinda expecting the fash to yell back at me here, cryptocurrency has a lot of right wing assholes in it. And crickets.

they are busy trying to cancel people

for step 1. of what you said

<eddie:oblak.be> a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have the head space to care. > <moneromoooo> Or maybe they think it's mostly pointless to try to care ? Some of it all I guess.

Or maybe it's just vance and trump hiring 1000 guys to maintain 1000000 twitter accounts to spew hate :D

Wierdly... I think it's the dishonesty more than the hate that pisses me off the most.

Hate is kinda honest in a way. You're a cunt and you're not claiming not to be.

And, let's be honest, everyone's a bit of a cunt in some way.

<ofrnxmr> Im a dick, not a cunt

<basses:matrix.org> you are making their much easier then when giving up, in fact, they are probably celebrating rn

<basses:matrix.org> their job much easier*

<ofrnxmr> doubt it

<ofrnxmr> They fund these works yknow

moneromoooo: i was introduced to monero because my government likes to nerf the financial system to hell

Fair. But when I change "vocations", I changed personas. I am moneromooo here, and for related things (Townforge), but not for other things.

like we have a limit on how much you can spend on foreign things lol, among other things

like having a special version of paypal with several features removed because the gov didn't likeit

and i mean paypal but the only thing you can do is receive, there's no paypal balance, eveything goes straight to your bank account

so it wasn't really because of the privacy aspect, but more of the usability aspect

<basses:matrix.org> also not have your identity stolen because KYC service had a breach

<eddie:oblak.be> for me the main attraction of monero was/is the freedom

i mean, i'm sure cryptocurrencies have a ton of good aspects about them

which is probably why my gov decided to severely restrict it and fine anybody who uses it.... which didn't work

eddie: yeah freedom is the best part

like holy shit, i don't have to worry about my transactions getting rejected because i passed the annual limit on foreign transactions

I tried to do a SEPA transfer to outside the country moneromoooo and the bank had disabled them, took several phone calls and some questionnaire to be able to send like 100 EUR to a friend

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy_: which is also part of the attraction, outsmarting stupid governments 😂

Friend ended up taking it in Monero

And only later got sepa sent for just shipping costs

my government is super annoying with how much they like to control the flow of money

and the economy in general

they put a new restriction where in order to send money to ANYONE, the person has to have the same last name

<jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> What is the current status of the checkpoints?

like basically be in the same family

<eddie:oblak.be> I had recently a transaction denied between 2 of my own accounts within the same bank because the name wasn't written in full 🤦‍♂️

i remember when i could go to WA or moneygram and send money to anyone around the world

now it's just "people with the same last name"

around the world

<eddie:oblak.be> yeah that's why monero is useful 😁

"A deed poll away keeps the busybody away" :D

s/away/a day/

<helene:unredacted.org> thanks to all of you for your time on this project, really :) i'm glad to see the spirit is still alive, and all of those reasons are also why i got into monero as well

<helene:unredacted.org> i was amazed in ~2018 to see it also so well explained by the monero book, the wiki and all the documentation; and the cryptography was also so approachable, the goals very explicitly made clear, the thoughtfulness of every decision and part of monero

I choose Monero because it's developed by a pony

of course

a valid reason nonetheless

moneromoooo: maybe it was a blessing in disguise, because if it wasn't for the restrictions, i would have never discovered monero

<helene:unredacted.org> Everyone needs Monero eventually. A lot of people immediately object to cryptocurrency for many reasons — because it got associated with scams, for environmental reasons, or for other moral reasons — and while I understand all of those, I decided that my freedom and privacy were more important

<helene:unredacted.org> Many people decided that the association with scams, or the environmental impact, etc. were more important to them, and that's fine. I just hope the alternative will still be there when and if they eventually change their minds.

<torir:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: If this sort of protection protects me from having my money stolen, I think I'd put up with it. But ONLY as long as the bank is consistent with its protections and doesn't start using them as an excuse for censorship.

my bank doesn't even have proper protections

when one of their employees gets social engineered by someone, and get compromised

and then my accounts get wiped.. who can i talk to? :P

talk to the bank, they tell me to fuck off lol

<eddie:oblak.be> @helene:unredacted.org: a lot of those people using environment as an excuse to be able to dismiss crypto take the plane for a city trip 400 km away and use AI for whatever. It's OK that people don't like crypto or don't want to bother with it, but the climate argument has always been a false one.

<helene:unredacted.org> People will always have some level of hypocrisy :)

<eddie:oblak.be> The main reason that people don't use crypto is because they are happy with the relative wealth they have and they are interested in things that are not technology or finance.

<eddie:oblak.be> Even if crytpo didn't have scams most of those people wouldn't use it because they just don't care.

eddie: AI is worse than crypto

at least crypto makes more jobs while it is "ruining" the environment

AI takes away jobs

while it is ruining the environment

<eddie:oblak.be> That's why I say that the climate argument against crypto is a false one

<eddie:oblak.be> Because before chatgpt it was "oh no crypto is ruining the environment" but AI is just generally accepted by all those same people becuase it's "useful" to them

you have managers who are pleased by the level of slop that AI generates

enough so that they lay off people

it is a net-negative all around

moneromoooo: I think a lot are in shock that you aren't a righty.

I think a lot of newcomers are often surprised at the 'politically left' (whatever that means) leaning 'boomers'.

<eddie:oblak.be> left, right, everyone uses money. Money shouldn't be political.

<helene:unredacted.org> Well, money is inherently political; I think you meant "money shouldn't have sides" ;)

<eddie:oblak.be> Yeah, you might have worded it better