Added blocks.p2pool.observer/proofs that explains more about Miner Proof Verification plus information for any pools that want to opt-in/disclose proof methods

(and can't remember if it was here, site now locally hosts all its assets including CSS/fonts)

no javascript still, ofc. Even dropdowns done with pure CSS

bootstrap

bootstrap requires javascript for its navbar collapse and dropdown menus to work :)

but you can tinker a bit ...

i actually learnt that EU's legislation not only bans "anonymity-enhancing coins", it also allows the EU to IP block decentralized exchanges

i wonder how they'll block haveno

<helene:unredacted.org> we call it the EUSSR

also they target crowdfunding services

(basically like kuno or gofundme)

especially crowdfunding services that accept cryptocurrencies :P

<helene:unredacted.org> well, is it surprising from a bunch of countries that treat their inhabitants as terrorists? :P

i don't know where kuno is hosted but like

if they're hosted in the EU, they better move before they get seized in 2027 lol

helene: not surprised, EU sucks

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> Cindy: pools are next

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> theyre financial providers

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> rip xmr ;-;

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> we're all gon die

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> set up a grave for xmr on 20261231

<anotherone:xmr.se> charlie lee says this is only the begging for crypto

<anotherone:xmr.se> we are at the begging

<anotherone:xmr.se> so stop being depressive

<anotherone:xmr.se> charlie lee litecoin founder

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> o

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ok

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> +1 happi

> it also allows the EU to IP block decentralized exchanges

can you reference where you think AMLR allows that?

AMLR does seem to cover crowdfunding platforms (gofundme, etc) and crowdfunding intermediaries (kuno, etc). << it is not clear whether the CCS is an obliged entity. this was raised as a potential threat sometime ago.

Cindy: ^^

midipoet: maybe i misread :P

for anyone interested in the crowdfunding bits, it starts in Recitals 16 and 17, and then into Articles 2 (definitions) and 3 (obliged entities), and further

should getmonero.org be hosted outside of EU?

it wouldn't ultimately matter, as it "serves" EU based persons/entities.

i suppose we could restrict all EU based entities from engaging. that might work as a short term measure

oh i see

so we could just ban someone if we suspect that they're from the EU

Article 19 (due diligence measures) are probably the most problematic for CCS (aside from the reporting obligations).

> so we could just ban someone if we suspect that they're from the EU

yes - but you'd have to ban the proposer and the funder

so no donations from Europe either

honestly though - i don't think the AMLR is gonna come after the CCS

they have other things to be worrying about

^^ that's my hot take on the matter

midipoet: what about kuno?

<alfieedwards> Is there any way of contact to author of a recent summary? When I check on profile, Reddit returns 404 error:

<alfieedwards> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1nk30a…ange_ecosystem_update_for_september

<alfieedwards> reddit.com/user/MasteringMonero

no selfish mining from qubic in their past marathon

<alfieedwards> Sadly I have no account on Reddit, it is difficult to use through Tor...

<alfieedwards> Is this the author of MasteringMonero masteringmonero.com/?

Yes, serhack

has there been any new monero ATM builds?

<helene:unredacted.org> cryptocurrency ATMs are still a thing??

ues

why wouldn't they be?

<aillia:matrix.org> xcancel.com/vxunderground/status/1970497503477817437

who tf uses a docker container for qbittorret

also btw, it's easy to detect a XMR miner

<aillia:matrix.org> news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45345233 (already flagged)

HashVault has provided view wallet information so their blocks are instantly verified on the blocks site :) blocks.p2pool.observer/block/36b14a…c6ca83d7756fa52386aeecb26aa74c88a30

<aillia:matrix.org> Cindy_: 🤭 xcancel.com/TrasherDK/status/1970509022970458443

you can detect if a XMR miner is running in a process even if it's heavily obfuscated

by checking if the floating-point rounding mode changes a lot

(of course, processes can emulate floating-point to prevent being detected like this, but they'll lose out on 85%+ of hashrate

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 2024/2025 is the year of cue bi*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Kewbit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Kewbittorrent

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> kewbic

<helene:unredacted.org> i do for namespace reasons (and the machine it runs on doesn't have systemd), but i use the official one lol > <Cindy_> who tf uses a docker container for qbittorret

i'm glad they designed RandomX to be easily detectable

btw

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> many deploy qbittorrent, see its docker hub stats

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> one of the most popular homelab docker containers

helene: maybe like use transmission

<helene:unredacted.org> @aillia:matrix.org: i don't see the link here, people trust distros to build secure environments

<helene:unredacted.org> transmission gets their official builds and packages hacked, not much better :P

<helene:unredacted.org> (also supports less features overall nowadays)

i use it because it's easier to use as a daemon

i just use a client that connects to it over a RPC API

<helene:unredacted.org> i use qbittorrent with the built-in web ui myself, and I give it a SOCKS5 proxy for all connections (for bad technical reasons)

<helene:unredacted.org> i used to use transmission... more than a decade ago?

i just use wireguard :P

SOCKS5 sucks

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Socks5 are useful if you want to route your torrent to another "vpn"

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Other than that how do you do, VM?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Because other peer are all on some other variable port so you can't make a rule in the router (that dst-port = that gateway)

yeah, but it's not a good proxy protocol

<ravfx:xmr.mx> No for sure it

<helene:unredacted.org> Cindy_: yeah i would but i get mullvad over tailscale for convenience, i should get another subscription just for that lol since it doesn't matter all that much, it's just to not get funny government letters

<ravfx:xmr.mx> it's arkaic but it's like the best proxy protocol

why do you use tailscale

<helene:unredacted.org> because hand-managed wireguard is cool but annoying after some time, and tailscale's DERPs are useful when you need to bypass weird ISP blocks in some places

you can use wireguard over I2P

<helene:unredacted.org> but why?

<kevino:tchncs.de> Overkill++

<helene:unredacted.org> i could also use Tor for everything... but why?

anything to avoid a SaaS

<helene:unredacted.org> you can self-host it if you wish; or use the hand-managed wireguard

<kevino:tchncs.de> I2p sometimes don't have clearnet endpoint

<helene:unredacted.org> i'm just not interested in doing that anymore especially since it's just to like... access my NAS sometimes, and to have basically no administration to do on any of those machines

I2P can anonymize users of your wireguard VPN

<helene:unredacted.org> and wireguard doesn't give you the convenient ACLs eh :p

and i guess i use it to host a site in a homeserver, but keep the IP of my homeserver a secret from my VPS :P

<helene:unredacted.org> i2p is pretty awful to run on anything that isn't x86_64

<ravfx:xmr.mx> even the C version?

the C++*

<helene:unredacted.org> the C++ version even more so

i use I2P because it can route over UDP packets

unlike tor

which is important for wireguard

<helene:unredacted.org> i mean i can see the point, i just don't need that :p

fair :P

<helene:unredacted.org> consider also that i share my tailscale tailnet with my wife :p

i like to anonymize my homeserver

fair fair

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Halo people

<helene:unredacted.org> hallo

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> So i just join what is this place

what is your domain

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I have no Idea

<helene:unredacted.org> ah, of course it's porn

<fartbubbler:matrix.org> Hey, it's only mostly porn.

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Oh yeah i joined from coom.st

i've heard more convincing lies from an AI

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Wdym

<helene:unredacted.org> @fartbubbler:matrix.org: A difference of a notable importance

wdym you have no idea especially that the domain you're in, has no matrix registration page

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Matrix? Like the movie

<helene:unredacted.org> yeah

are you the kemono party admin

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I love Keanu Reeves he's my favorite actor

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Idek what that is

<helene:unredacted.org> Cindy: that's not the domain... but I believe you have outed yourself as a gooner

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I'm a gooner too lol

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> kemono.su spotted!!!! 🦊

oh no i'm a gooner because i know what a pateron piracy site is :P

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Yeah lol My url has kemono

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I'm new to this world ᵕ᷄≀ ̠ᵕ᷅

<helene:unredacted.org> yes, sorry, that's how it works...

sorry i support my artists

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: ohh dont worry its just magic internet money

:P

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> ❀‎ܓ(｡◠ ꇴ ◠｡ )

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I'm happy

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> >^.^< >.>

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> if you are, i am too x33

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I love existing peacefully ꈍ◡ꈍ

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Omg :3

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> howd you get all those cute faces ^_^

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> do you just copy paste all of them

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lmao

i see boxes

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I have facemoji keyboard lol

mostly

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ohh you're an mobile user

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> ( ꩜ ᯅ ꩜;) 

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Yeah lol

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> requires unicode fonts. available as noto-fonts-cjk in arch linux

i am on tty

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I'm too broke for a pc unfortunately 😔

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's tty

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> sell some kemono commision services on xmrbazaar x3

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you can draw right

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> (￣ヘ￣）lol i suck at drawing

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> user is using matrix on their terminal instead of a web browser or desktop app

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's xmrbazaar

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> marketplace where you can sell goods and services for monero

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> the cryptocurrency for the channel ur in

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Ohhhh

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> The clanker currency ᯤ ᯅ ᯤ

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> well, almost everything got atleast one automated trading bot

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> so you can say that for every currency

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> How can i pull up the xmr thing

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Like where is it on mobile

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> download a wallet on your phone called "cake wallet". cool name and icon and design

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> play store / appstore both have it

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> generate new wallet, then write down your seed phrase and keep it secure

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> so you can always restore your wallet in case your phone ded

17lifers: i'm on IRC

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> fk

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ;-;

you can't tell, but i can tell

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> y-you win

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> well done

also which wallet app is better, monerujo or cakewallet

<helene:unredacted.org> you didn't notice but your brain did

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's irc 🧐

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Cindy_: I have absolutely no experience but i like cakewallet because i love cake 🍰

a protocl older than most people here

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you prefer

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> mm yes caik

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> nomnom

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What is your favorite type of cake

ice cream cake

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> internet relay chat, what happened before matrix and discord. usable with the libera web client, irssi, weechat...

irc is 37 years old rn

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Good choice i like those too

i'll be there when it hits 40

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Irc more like unc

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ok download the thing and generate a wallet

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> u on android or ios?

please don't be on iOS

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: Ios

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Cindy_: Oh no

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> oh well

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I'm scared

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> swipe up, app store, search "cake wallet"

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> nothing will happen

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> <3

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's so wrong with ios tho 🤨

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> its just a mobile operating system. respect people for their choices.

just know that the app devs pay 200 dollars a year for their license

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> well cakewallet owner is rich so no problem

i don't particularly trust the "free" option

ah okay

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> 200/y is nothing for him lol

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> There are so many currencies

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> XMR is the one you're interested in

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Ok

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> it's the ticker symbol of monero

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> what do I name my wallet?

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ANONYMOUS MONEY

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ^^ good idea

<eddie:oblak.be> it's closed source software > <@knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's so wrong with ios tho 🤨

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Okk

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What is polyseed

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @eddie:oblak.be: apple doesn't push malicious updates or anything lol

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> it's a method of measuring space in the 4th dimension

<pw:xmr.mx> Monfluo > <Cindy_> also which wallet app is better, monerujo or cakewallet

17lifers: i mean you can't particularly check if the app is secure or even build the app from source yourself

you're stuck to the verified devs on app store

"verified"*

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: 16-word instead of 25-word. you can choose your length for compatibility with older wallet software (like mymonero web)

<basses:matrix.org> android too soon

<eddie:oblak.be> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: it's irrelevant.

you have to trust that the dev didn't sneak in some crap that doesn't exist in the open source branch

because you have no other choice :P

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> sigh

<eddie:oblak.be> I just said it's closed source, you don't own your device

no f-droid for iOS

anyway i'll stop

<eddie:oblak.be> it's not disrespecting peoples choices if you're trying to convince them to try something else > <@17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> its just a mobile operating system. respect people for their choices.

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I mean i like both ios and Android

<eddie:oblak.be> A lot of apple users try to convinces others to use apple too

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I'm bisexual with my phones

lol

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lmfao

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> thats one way to put it

<eddie:oblak.be> there's more than just android and ios ..

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Like what

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> sailfish, maemo, postmarketos...

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> but theyre dead

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lol

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Lol. Yeah never heard of them

i'd trust android over iOS especially since i can check the checksums of the app

<eddie:oblak.be> well you haven't heard of irc

<eddie:oblak.be> you have some discovering to do 😉

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> welcome to the cool kid club where you learn all the cool 31337 h4x0r stuff

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> The only reason i main ios is that its more private

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> greatest misconception ever

<basses:matrix.org> @knockerupper223:kemono.su what app are you using to chat?

not... really

iOS gets hit with more rootkits

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Chrome

<aillia:matrix.org> xcancel.com/coffnix/status/1970537501941989522 (last one, promise :) )

and apple copes by moving around the goalpost

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you cant even dowload a packet capture app

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> android can (pcapdroid)

to call themselves "secure" or "priate"

<basses:matrix.org> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: chrome only?

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I mean i have 13 phones

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> @basses:matrix.org: Yeah

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> .

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you meant u have an iphone 13?

<eddie:oblak.be> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: one for every finger?

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> 13 flip phones?

<basses:matrix.org> trolling?

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> No

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> No troll

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> 13 smartphones

17lifers: pcapdroid uses a locally-hosted "VPN" and prompts you to add its VPN profile

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @basses:matrix.org: element web is usable on mobile if font size is reduced

before you get to use it

<eddie:oblak.be> try to use 1 first in a decent way , is what I would recommend 😂

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> yes, but its on github and available from fdroid, so it's trusted

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's element

<basses:matrix.org> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: it is like using discord on mobile

<basses:matrix.org> obvious troll if you ask me

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: what you learn if you pay attention in class

there's something called reproducible hashes

<eddie:oblak.be> @basses:matrix.org: but he said he is not

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I never attended class 😅

that is, if you build the same app from source, and compare it to the officially-available builds

<basses:matrix.org> cindy, md5 u mean?

the hash should be the same

basses: no, i don't mean the hash algorithm

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ok we'll just drop this guy if he's being that crazy lmao

i mean making it so that building the same exact source code == same hash

regardless of the conditions

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: how many fingers do you have

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's hash?

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Wait a second i have to count

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lmfao

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I have 12

<helene:unredacted.org> @basses:matrix.org: probably someone underage really

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> someone call nasa we got a research subject

17lifers: don't make fun of them

they came out of an AI-generated image

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Bruh

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kemono.su/…WgzuETp4IpliTGGyivl98L7qMAdef0.jpeg (213F0F50-B55F-4B80-9DF3-0A026E441EB0.jpeg)

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ok

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you're cute

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> pearhead

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Thanks brotatoe chip

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> !?

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Yk like potatoe chip

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> But bro instead

maybe we should take this to #monero-offtopic :P

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> no i didnt know

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> insert gigachad.gif

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Lol

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> @helene:unredacted.org: Yeah bro I'm a minor

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Chris handson comes in

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Cindy_: Where's that

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: tap this matrix.to/#/#monero-offtopic:monero.social

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> Ok

<knockerupper223:kemono.su> I'm in

<aadniz:knaben.org> @alfieedwards: Did you know reddit has an onion url? Is it difficult to use Reddit with it?

<basses:matrix.org> @aadniz:knaben.org: will get shadowbanned

<sbt:nope.chat> self host headscale, I do the same. there's no difference feature wise > <Cindy_> anything to avoid a SaaS

Added a Pools section on blocks blocks.p2pool.observer/pools (this calculates hashrate across a week, based on blocks found + weight then, not reported hashrates, averaged across a week)

<helene:unredacted.org> this is getting fairly complete now :)

can the android wallet apps be configured to not have any kegs

keys*

but rather commuicate to a monero wallet daemon's RPC

@helene:unredacted.org: yeah, goal is to have it as default blocks linker on p2pool observer, and from this you can also get to others with more details