<dufebo98> Has Revuo Monero stopped updating?

<rbrunner7> Neither xmrwallet . com nor xmrwallet . app resolve for me right now. Maybe they have finally, finally thrown in the towel? That would be nice.

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> @TheFuzzStone:matrix.org 🖕

mods, we got a situation

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> 🖕

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Cin "I use XMR because I'm a pedo" dy

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> The Fuzz "I'm a propaganda minister for Russia" Stone

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> what about ofrn

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> ofrn "scammer" xmr

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why mbll n fuzz get first shots

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> ofrn "no one uses BSX" xmr

wtf is BSX

is it that snes satellite thing

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy: exactly

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Cindy do you know what THORSwap is?

is this BSX

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bsx = basicswapdex

no

i don't know any *swap

other than retoswap

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> THORSwap > Reto + BSX + Serai combined

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> You can buy Zcash

is thorswap's website thorswap.com

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You can buy zcash using fiat on thorswap?

what is thorswap's real website

ugh i fucking hate the fake websites

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> I'm not telling 🖕

cool

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Stick with XMR you pedo criminal

lol

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: No you can use BTC, ETH, DAI, BCH, MAYA, DOGE, DASH, TRON, DOT, etc. decentralized

why does matrix always have the worst people on it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So how is it better than reto if you cant use fiat

first we had qubic trolls, and now we got trolls in general lol

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Cindy newgen

ofrnxmr: it's other coin-to-coin swap

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org: By "decentralized", you mean "amazon aws"?

another*

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Reto "run by monerobull the fat redditor scam" swap is a scam

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy: I know. Bro said its better than reto, but its not in the same arena

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: And centralized DNS checkpoints is any better?

what

also zcash sucks

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> It sucks for pedos like yourself

it's more centralized than monero, each transaction has a dev fee

AND it's partial PoS

wow, what a great combo

have fun with developers not only collecting money but also controlling the network

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> The dev fee is used to fund sustainable development unlike Monero where it has been over 1 month without any solution for mining centralization 😆

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Zcash developers mog Monero developers

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Monero "developers" are opportunistic scammers

the dev fee is used to gain greater control over the network

this was their plan after they proposed PoS

and also developed it

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> 🖕

so is it really better?

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Zcash price proves you wrong

also mining centralization LOOOL

75%+ of blocks is mined by one pool

in zcash

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Keep coping pedo Zcash is about to overtake XMR

<helene:unredacted.org> don't care @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org pick the only one cheese you would eat for the rest of your life

helene please ask an easier question

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro talks about mining centralization and ignores zcashs 75% pool > <@monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> The dev fee is used to fund sustainable development unlike Monero where it has been over 1 month without any solution for mining centralization 😆

not only is the PoW completely centralized

the PoS is also centralized by the devs

who are making bank off of the fees they pose on transactions

<helene:unredacted.org> nioc: life is never that easy

people arguing with a troll?

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> There is no "argument" when one side is filled with pedos and criminals

it does serve a purpose of educating lurkers that are uniformed

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org: Zcash is full of pedophikes?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i wasnt aware

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks for the heads up

viabtc takes up 71%

why aren't you calling this mining centralization

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: No it is Monero where people like xenumonero and monerobull use young anime girls as their profile pictures when they are over 30 pedos

i don't have a profile picture :P

i'll take zcash seriously when their security isn't practically abandoned from several issues that it has

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> At least the Zcash developers are competent. tevador had to go through 3 hypothetical proposals that all failed and he has not come up with a solution. You are paying these "developers" to work on Monero > <Cindy> miningpoolstats.stream/zcash

<helene:unredacted.org> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org pick a cheese

if they are component, how come they haven't come up with anything to do against the 51% attack

since 2023, when it first began

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Would probably pick "american cheese"

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> PoS

o_0

<helene:unredacted.org> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org: that's not a cheese

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy: Or whyd they do nothing for years against the low fee spam attack

PoS is just the devs

you might aswell say zcash is centralized under the ECC and devs control

because they get dev fees

and that grows their stake

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> No one cares about your opinion the market is saying Zcash is better

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The market hasnt said a word

the market is full of moonboys

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Last time i bought zcash, it was over $200

they could up the price of a utterly shit coin just because it sounds cool

just like DOGE

just like TRUMP

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> x.com/naval/status/1973254136394293708

<eddie:oblak.be> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org: Zcash sucks donkeyballs

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Bitcoin is insurance against fiat.

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> ZCash is insurance against Bitcoin.

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/g8CX9LoKTGE4T1VL ]

the price says nothing, zcash shill

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Monero is never mentioned. I wonder why...

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> heybhey, this isnt a zcash vs monero fight

<helene:unredacted.org> all i'm saying is that monero can pick a cheese

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This zcash divider is here more than he is on zcash community

<helene:unredacted.org> if zcash can't pick a cheese then why should i care

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> I'm not shilling Zcash. Any coin is better than Monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> He's a monero cuck

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre just mad cuz your wife has a boyfriend

CEXs had to increase the amount of confirmations for zcash transactions

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Monero retards keep invading the Zcash community

<eddie:oblak.be> I have never bought something with zec, haven't seen a place that accepts it

because of the centralization

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org: Who?

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Like @TheFuzzStone:matrix.org fuck off :

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org: thefuzzstone doesnt participate here

<helene:unredacted.org> well thefuzzstone didn't pick a cheese either

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ok sorry I will take it back to X

lol

troll folded

is this why you got pissed off

<helene:unredacted.org> twitter users are weird

<helene:unredacted.org> he did not indeed take it back there, and worse he didn't pick acheese

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Cindy: He tweeted multiple times

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> I'm going to DM on X goodbye

<helene:unredacted.org> what's with the colossal idiocy lately

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the same person, why are you surprised

<helene:unredacted.org> as the xmr.se account from earlier, you mean?

<applelover999:matrix.org> Just ignore the low-level nonsense and carry on enjoying the day.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @helene:unredacted.org: Every week

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Idk about .se account

<helene:unredacted.org> why do the monero channel attract those idiots though lol

<zooko:xmr.se> Fun fact for anyone hating on Zcash for being centralized: Justin Ehrenhofer (also known as sgp_ who moderates Monero rooms, contributes to Monero development, previous VP of Cake Wallet, and more), who previously ran Moonstone Research, a firm that aimed to trace Monero, has now moved on to NAXO, where he is responsible for t [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5Nnu9LoKMGVULTFV ]

<zooko:xmr.se> It's important to note that Serai will allow transaction outputs and amounts to be traced because every transaction will be broadcasted by validator nodes. This is all interconnected and Monero is a honey pot. Zcash is objectively better as the developers are honest with their intentions.

<zooko:xmr.se> Many other Monero core members or volunteer developers have history with intelligence agencies. Do the research.

<zooko:xmr.se> @zooko:xmr.se: naxo.com/who-we-are

"And by the way, I think we can successfully make Zcash too traceable for criminals like WannaCry, but still completely private & fungible." --zooko

<zooko:xmr.se> nioc: Yes, the Zcash developers are honest with their intentions. You have FBI agents who specialize in tracing blockchain transactions working on Monero. Which is worse?

<ofrnxmr> > <@zooko:xmr.se> Fun fact for anyone hating on Zcash for being centralized: Justin Ehrenhofer (also known as sgp_ who moderates Monero rooms, contributes to Monero development, previous VP of Cake Wallet, and more), who previously ran Moonstone Research, a firm that aimed to trace Monero, has now moved on to NAXO, where h [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/u4D89LoKeU1NNThz ]

<ofrnxmr> Sgp does NOT moderate monero rooms

<ofrnxmr> He also does NOT contribute to monero development

you are honest? lol

<zooko:xmr.se> @ofrnxmr: He works closely with Luke Parker and moderates Serai.

<ofrnxmr> Serai is a different blockchain

<zooko:xmr.se> @ofrnxmr: monero-project/research-lab #147#issuecomment-3360782566

<zooko:xmr.se> 1 hour ago

<ofrnxmr> @zooko:xmr.se: Anyone can comment on github

<zooko:xmr.se> I won't argue about semantics.

lol

<ofrnxmr> whatever the fuck that means

<ofrnxmr> By your own metric, you also contribute to monero development

<ofrnxmr> Simply by virtue of shitposting

<spirobel:kernal.eu> since the dubai videos i have a hard time taking zcash seriously

<zooko:xmr.se> Monero is a honey pot. I've given a starting point for people to research into in case they didn't know. Zcash isn't without its flaws, including issues related to centralization, and maintains close ties with regulators, but it doesn't pretend to be hardcore like Monero.

<spirobel:kernal.eu> this "influencer push" is also sus af

<spirobel:kernal.eu> also on a technical level overhyping tachyon is cringe to the max

<zooko:xmr.se> @ofrnxmr: I don't influence development decisions.

<spirobel:kernal.eu> there are only tradeoffs

<ofrnxmr> @zooko:xmr.se: Semantics

<moner01980:matrix.org> they have stolen everything from me

<moner01980:matrix.org> Someone entered my wallet and made a transaction in July. How is this possible?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> if monero is a honeypot zcash is a honeypot squared. this argument and framing is so disingenuous

<zooko:xmr.se> @ofrnxmr: I don't manage the MAGIC Monero Fund. You're being dishonest.

<ofrnxmr> @moner01980:matrix.org: xmrwallet.com is a scam

<ofrnxmr> @zooko:xmr.se: Didnt sgp CREATE that

<ofrnxmr> pp

<ofrnxmr> you act as if its some decentralized community asset

<ofrnxmr> Its not. Its sgp's non-profit

<zooko:xmr.se> Yes > <@ofrnxmr> Didnt sgp CREATE that

<zooko:xmr.se> monero.observer/jehrenhofer-announces-magic-grants-monero-fund

<moner01980:matrix.org> Can anything be done against the person who made this fraudulent transaction?

<moner01980:matrix.org> help me please

<ofrnxmr> @moner01980:matrix.org: no

<ofrnxmr> You used a wallet that is known to be a scam

<ofrnxmr> Your $ is gone

<moner01980:matrix.org> Don't say that. When I opened this wallet, it was recommended from the official Monero website. That's why I trusted it.

<spirobel:kernal.eu> zcash spent hundreds of thousands of dollars sucking dick in Washington. maybe sgp is a fed and he tried to cancel me, but I would still prefer him over random outsiders throwing mud. one of us who cares. if the protocol is not secure against moonstone research (still unsure if this was an april fools joke😆) it has to be improved. is this even the real zooko or just a random troll

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @moner01980:matrix.org: matrix.to/#/#monero-support:monero.social which domain?

<zooko:xmr.se> @moner01980:matrix.org: Your first mistake was trusting Monero. Use Zcash next time

<ofrnxmr> @moner01980:matrix.org: No you werent.

<ofrnxmr> Getmonero.org has NEVER promoted xmrwallet.com

<zooko:xmr.se> @spirobel:kernal.eu: Monero is NOT secure right now and is traceable in certain conditions.

<zooko:xmr.se> Objectively speaking Zcash has better privacy measures.

<moner01980:matrix.org> Dude, I'm not lying. I'm very clumsy, and that's why I couldn't transfer my cryptos to a cold wallet, even though I tried. Too difficult for me, but I swear on my daughters, that wallet was recommended by the official Monero website. I swear.

<ofrnxmr> getmonero.org has NEVER recommended xmrwallet.com

<jobotnik:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: link doesn't work :<

<ofrnxmr> Xmrwallet link? Yeah, the website seems to be offline now

<ofrnxmr> Getmonero.org link should work

<ofrnxmr> getmonero.org/downloads

<jobotnik:matrix.org> I wanted to see how good was the scam

<jobotnik:matrix.org> never heard of this wallet

<zooko:xmr.se> github.com/SamsungGalaxyPlayer?tab=…rview&from=2022-12-01&to=2022-12-31 > <@zooko:xmr.se> monero-project/research-lab #147#issuecomment-3360782566

<zooko:xmr.se> ofrnxmr is lying as usual.

<testtank:matrix.org> > <@zooko:xmr.se> Fun fact for anyone hating on Zcash for being centralized: Justin Ehrenhofer (also known as sgp_ who moderates Monero rooms, contributes to Monero development, previous VP of Cake Wallet, and more), who previously ran Moonstone Research, a firm that aimed to trace Monero, has now moved on to NAXO, where h [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/jM3V9boKRnlQZnhh ]

<testtank:matrix.org> If Monero is honeypot please point me to some court case where a monero transaction was traced & was used to convict someone

<testtank:matrix.org> Metadata does not count

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @zooko:xmr.se: objectively speaking zcash is a bad investment that is now being pushed by influencers. you didnt address anything I said. prove that you are really zooko or fuck off

<jobotnik:matrix.org> @zooko:xmr.se: lying on what?

did juliu get his friends to flood #monero

<jobotnik:matrix.org> Oh, my client doesnt show replys, mb. I frogot matrix was so fragmented

after he got quieted

moner01980: move all your funds to another wallet

consider it compromised

<ofrnxmr> Cindy: the wallet was swept in july

oh

then you're fucked

<zooko:xmr.se> @testtank:matrix.org: I don't have the case documents on me, but Monero has been traced before. Did you even bother to read my message? See this:

<zooko:xmr.se> naxo.com/faqs

<zooko:xmr.se> Can NAXO help if our case involves privacy cryptocurrencies like Monero?

<zooko:xmr.se> Yes, NAXO has specialized expertise and proprietary capabilities for investigating transactions involving privacy coins like Monero and other anonymizing technologies.

were you hit by a cryptojacker or something?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @plowsof:matrix.org: @zooko:xmr.se doubt this is the real zooko

zooko⊙xs they are bluffing

<ofrnxmr> Cindy: They used a scam wallet

bring me a court case where they managed to trace a monero transaction

<spirobel:kernal.eu> xmr.se home server lol

<ofrnxmr> @spirobel:kernal.eu: The real zooko would have blocked everyone upon arrival

ofrnxmr: scam wallet?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> he didnt block me haha

<ofrnxmr> Cindy: xmrwallet.com

<spirobel:kernal.eu> he even sent me some zcash but only a super small amount. really stingy

<spirobel:kernal.eu> probably needed the money for groceries

<plowsof:matrix.org> "objectively speaking Zcash has better privacy measures" hey come on bow, impersonating both doug and zooko

zcash sucks

regardless of what you believe

the PoW side is centralized

towards viabtc

and the PoS side is centralized towards the devs

<zooko:xmr.se> You're either naive or stupid. > <Cindy> zooko⊙xs they are bluffing

if naxo says they invented jetpacks that take you to space

do i just automatically believe them?

i wanna see actual court cases

<plowsof:matrix.org> FCMP++ testnet begins tomorrow , why are you being so mean to us zooko

they hate FCMP++ and carrot

<ofrnxmr> @zooko:xmr.se: ..i cant be both?

they're trying to push people to zcash, where the creator already sold out their currency

to the highest bidder, the feds

<yatta:private.coffee> Thought this was a legit server? > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> xmr.se home server lol

<ofrnxmr> Servers are legit, just that the user is not

<spirobel:kernal.eu> i would have expected something like zooko⊙gi to make it more realistic

how do you register on xmr.se

<ilha:matrix.org> What's the latest on the Qubic saga?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @ilha:matrix.org: complete and utter retardation

<spirobel:kernal.eu> look up the token2049 video if you want to see something cringe

<spirobel:kernal.eu> (that qubic bagholders paid for)

<spirobel:kernal.eu> it seems like they do zero vetting. anyone can get a booth there

<ilha:matrix.org> What percent of total XMR hash rate does Qubic currently control?

<ofrnxmr> Miningpoolstats.stream/monero

<spirobel:kernal.eu> you can look at miningpool stream their hashrate is constantly dropping

16:16:45 <Cindy> how do you register on xmr.se

<ofrnxmr> Probably like 20%

no idea but apparently the "owner" of that was in offtopic I was lying about these users spamming

00:41:48 <br-m> <rainbowcat:xmr.se> youre trying to single my server out despite the fact its extremely well behaved, moreso than even the one which this room sits on > <DataHoarder> If you can register it can be abused by others

<ilha:matrix.org> How many blocks was the reorg that Qubic did, 18 blocks? Were there any big reorgs after that one?

10 blocks

see blocks.p2pool.observer and note on blocks.p2pool.observer/block/d0de88…fd792ecd1e16ed3cbed4ca789b65794b95f

see blog explainer by Rucknium rucknium.me/posts/monero-18-block-reorg

see the timeline raw data github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14

DataHoarder: xmr.se must be a private homeserver

because there's no public registration form

click register

enter xmr.se :D

ah

it might have registration blocked but it was usually open

<spirobel:kernal.eu> really bad look for token2049 to allow these clowns to have a booth and in addition pull this "smart domination" weirdness. > <DataHoarder> see blocks.p2pool.observer and note on blocks.p2pool.observer/block/d0de88…fd792ecd1e16ed3cbed4ca789b65794b95f

they didn't even do their domination claim, anyhow

<spirobel:kernal.eu> probably they planed to but ran out of juice

<spirobel:kernal.eu> or this is part of the gaslighting 4d chess to milk the baggies a bit longer

they did selfish mining bad as well

they lost like 20% compared to plain mining

<ilha:matrix.org> What Qubic able to get other miners to switch from regular XMR mining to mining through Qubic or was it just hash power that was controlled by Qubic?

it was hashpower qubic pointed to their shenanigans

<spirobel:kernal.eu> the scheme was mostly targeted at miners and those are realizing more and more that they got skimmed

central server, as well, unverifiable by miners

they got paid in their token and "token burns" so they ended up realizing they got vastly less

<ilha:matrix.org> So have these miners that switched to Qubic switched back to just regular mining of XMR?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> only monero can absorb this much hashrate, anyone in between has to justify where the additional yield comes from. qubic has no good answer. they only manage to keep miners through gaslighting and late payouts and constant drama + hopium

<ilha:matrix.org> So, for an entity that controls 10%-40% of the total Monero hashing power, what bad things can they do? 18 block reorgs, not including transactions in blocks, what else?

invalidating transactions via reorgs

<ilha:matrix.org> Is there a clear path forward for the developers to mitigate these effects from malicious miners?

there are bandaids, mid term and long term being discussed or in the works.

<spirobel:kernal.eu> my hunch is we will get there before zcash.

<kevino:tchncs.de> get where ?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> towards a long term mitigation

zcash is an abandoned coin

<kevino:tchncs.de> Does zcash have reorg yet ?

<ilha:matrix.org> DataHoarder: In the last 10 years the biggest reorg on Bitcoin was 4 blocks. An 18 block reorg on Monero is a little concerning to me.

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @ilha:matrix.org: bticoin blocktime is 10 minutes

ilha: consdier the time for blocks in bitcoin and monero

^

there was no selfish mining, and minutes yeah

this is similar

<kevino:tchncs.de> @ilha:matrix.org: 4 blocks means 40 mins roughly

in blocks wise, the maximum organic reorg was 3-4 blocks

qubic did 70 minutes

<kevino:tchncs.de> K

while pools in bitcoin have been centralized they haven't attempted hype marketing and do selfish for fun effectively

as it was not on their interest

<kevino:tchncs.de> Its not worth discussing zcash here I guess.

<kevino:tchncs.de> DataHoarder: Pools can lose hashrats fast as individual miners will pull out of that pool and that pool gets a bad reputation permanently?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> I would be more concerned for bitcoin. we will be prepared and build something more resilient. Eventually this topic will come up in bitcoin when old miners become cheap enough or the hash rate drops as a result of halving or price

bitcoin is taken over by ASICs

<ilha:matrix.org> So time wise (4x10 = 40 minutes) and (18x2=36minutes). So the 2 were roughly equal is that right? > <@kevino:tchncs.de> 4 blocks means 40 mins roughly

getting more randomx hashrate is a commodity as well

<kevino:tchncs.de> Thats why i was insisting that cubic was doing it alone on rented hasrate

compared to specialized hardware

<elongated:matrix.org> @spirobel:kernal.eu: New asics make old miners hashrate ineffective considering the power they consume

good thing about CPU miners

you can improve and audit it yourself

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @kevino:tchncs.de: they didnt. they can do this for asic coins as well. they do it not by renting hashrate (way too expensive) they do it by fooling miners into thinking they get high rewards.

i've never seen an actual decap of an ASIC miner

the one that helene showed me was a crap one, the guy who did it only shot the BGA connectors layer

<elongated:matrix.org> Nothing good, new cpu’a come daily and if price isn’t increasing or it’s not profitable against botnets. ppl don’t invest in mining > <Cindy> good thing about CPU miners

<ilha:matrix.org> @spirobel:kernal.eu: Miners are pretty good at math. Can't they quickly tell if mining is unprofitable?

> they do it not by renting hashrate (way too expensive) they do it by fooling miners into thinking they get high rewards.

it is expensive, but short bursts was done (and suggested by CfB)

elongated: what do you mean "nothing good"

say you got lucky and started a chain, you can rent to make it longer

it means that monero mining is sustainable

<kevino:tchncs.de> @spirobel:kernal.eu: There was not much evidence of this as to who these miners were

and remember, their point is to make hype and marketing, not explicitly direct gians

gains*

<elongated:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: Rented rigs

they get XMR -> convert to qubic, burn qubic

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @elongated:matrix.org: @elongated:matrix.org: that means the old miners become really cheap. for the attack the electricity cost does not matter.

so they don't directly pay out those parts

<elongated:matrix.org> @spirobel:kernal.eu: New miner hashrate > old miners

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @kevino:tchncs.de: there is some. you can look at miners talking about qubic profitability. We also looked at some mining pools that mined monero directly that were run by qubic. datahoarder provided some info on that. so they didnt rent the hashrate, they had control over the miners by being the pool

<ilha:matrix.org> One of the first things you learn in crypto is that 99% of the schemes out there are scams. Miners know this. How do you account for the XMR miners that are still mining through Qubic and make up about 20% of total XMR hash power? Don't they know they could get more rewards just mining XMR directly?

ideally

they might be Qubic miners

don't trust the ownership of any centralized pools

:)

just mine through p2pool

irc.gammaspectra.live/880427cf9c8cf63e/image.png

seems matrix is having issues :D

http is very delayed

<ilha:matrix.org> Is it costing Qubic anything? Or do they have free electricity, free CPUs (botnets)?

it costs users

or miners

Qubic gets this for "free" by giving people tokens of their coin

so they want to pump the price, but it went down instead

their profitability depended on their own price pumping, not XMR incoming amount

and then it went down the second time

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @elongated:matrix.org: @elongated:matrix.org: you can take a look here data.hashrateindex.com/asic-index-data/price-index the efficient miners are 4-5x the price but the efficiency is not that much different that it would matter for the attack

also lol, they're botting coinmarketcap comments

so people don't get dissuaded by their price

<ilha:matrix.org> So money is basically being transferred from naive miners to the Qubic powers that be, is that correct?

even botting the "community sentiment" rating

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @ilha:matrix.org: @ilha:matrix.org: miners like to tinker with their rigs and will just install what ever they think gives them the most rewards so they can buy more rigs. they dont analyze that deeply. it takes some time for them to realize they get scammed. especially because of delayed payouts and price fluctuations

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @ilha:matrix.org: they also have a boiler room discord + mlm style "ambassador program"

yes, their mlm style program

for trying to get into a tier 1 exchange

<ilha:matrix.org> @spirobel:kernal.eu: Miners will spend millions of dollars without doing extensive profitability analysis?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> all of this shit is highly illegal and extremely stupid. really surprising how openly token2049 and exchanges interact with them

are you surprised?

<spirobel:kernal.eu> @ilha:matrix.org: @ilha:matrix.org: yes. I am following miner social media like defi django rabid miner vosk

17:04:45 <Cindy> also lol, they're botting coinmarketcap comments

they have channels for "social raids" where users are encouraged to go and comment on social posts or sites to drown down any noise about qubic (or so their message is loud and other is weak)

it's the 10000th crypto "CEO" that does something illegal

to get more money

<ilha:matrix.org> Most of the new tokens are simply unregistered securities that don't pass the howey test and insiders hope to do a rug pull before the price collapses. Just look at the guy in the White house.

DataHoarder: yes i noticed it when the community sentiment is 90% up

even though qubic is going down a ton

also the AI warriors lol

<spirobel:kernal.eu> the miner mindset is very much focused on tickering and borderline objectophila for gpus / rigs they easily get sucked into a little bit of gambling as well

<DataHoarder> they get XMR -> convert to qubic, burn qubic <<>> wouldn't it be cheaper to not make the qubes out of thin air to begin with? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

i mean he already does :P

whoops

misread comment

<ilha:matrix.org> coinmarketcap has some shady ties. Because of that I have preferred to use coingecko. Do you prefer to use something other than coingecko for general info on digital assets?

How can I start packing piconeros?

<aillia:matrix.org> PSA: locked out of my X account (@AilliaLink) - I will never ask you to send me any funds!

<aillia:matrix.org> * Verify All Communications Through XmrBazaar/SimpleX! xmrbazaar.com/forum/topic/83

how is that even possible

<basses:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org: u were using Tor, right?

<aillia:matrix.org> yes

aillia: what happened?

<aillia:matrix.org> it had been working fine for approximately 1.5 years... I can't log in rn

<basses:matrix.org> @aillia:matrix.org: add that new entry to grokpedia when launched

did you download a infostealer or something

<basses:matrix.org> no, X just locked his account because of Tor

<aillia:matrix.org> no, I do not open random links, and do not download any files inc images :)

oh

typical X

Xitter

<aillia:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: I hope so :)

<basses:matrix.org> all popular social media do the same

tell me why do monero people use Xitter

<basses:matrix.org> Cindy: only platform that tolerate cryptos (and scams)

<aillia:matrix.org> Cindy: because they can

kuno is annoying because of this

they'll delay your listing and give you less rep if you use a non-Xitter contact

which is antithetical to the point of monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aillia:matrix.org: I send aillia my selfies all the time, but she doesnt know

<aillia:matrix.org> "selfies" )))

<aillia:matrix.org> someone please let twitter people know - I do not want any harm to be done in case it's something worse than a stupid twitter being twitter thingy... > <@aillia:matrix.org> PSA: locked out of my X account (@AilliaLink) - I will never ask you to send me any funds!

"because there has been some unusual activity from this account" like the monopoly card, 'You tried to be anonymous! Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aillia:matrix.org: there is a warning on your acct

<aillia:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: what warning?

<aillia:matrix.org> plowsof: lol, a lotta 'unusual' activity from that acct for sure, the last one was posting memes about cybersecurity 'awareness month' :))

Restricted

<ofrnxmr> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/SMzUiBAVIADDDRUrsNkUwWij.png (ntrv56f0eib4in7j.png)

<ofrnxmr> Whats that img upload website

<ofrnxmr> I 4got, aillia cant see my selfies

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @ofrnxmr: ibb.co

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thx. I would bookmark that, but its more fun if i forget in 3-5hrs

<icemonkey:tedomum.net> can i ask an off topic question?

<icemonkey:tedomum.net> i haven't pay attention to the market in years

<icemonkey:tedomum.net> how did solana gain so much popularity?

go to #monero-offtopic

for offtopic questions

<icemonkey:tedomum.net> is it a legit project or shady?

<icemonkey:tedomum.net> oks

<redti1989:matrix.org> Is Monero gonna stay up I have profited 10$

<redti1989:matrix.org> Its better than the bank I loose money with bank

<kevino:tchncs.de> Price discussions are here

<kevino:tchncs.de> #monero-markets:monero.social

<redti1989:matrix.org> What this channel is for?

for learning new recipes

<redti1989:matrix.org> IndieMe: Excuse my ignorance, what do you mean? Thank you :)

this is for general stuff about monero