<ravfx:xmr.mx> selsta: no

<ofrnxmr> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Usually that you dont have any outgoing connections

<ofrnxmr> You can only stem to nodes that have incoming connections, so if you dont have outgoing connections, it will print that msg when you are trying to step. You can make it print by setting out peers to 0, then sending a tx using your rpc

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr: I see, thanks

<ravfx:xmr.mx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/YHMDvnyPfTuifllElgidNAjF.png (clipboard.png)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Does that lower the privacy of users, yes or no?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> It did only append one time after I updated to 0.18.4.3, about 2Hr after it was online, and some unknows amount of time before (I did not count)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> afaik, it either fluffs or it waits and tries to stem again later

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think the former

<namenet:matrix.org> Can anyone provide an estimate of when these features will be complete on the mainnet?

<namenet:matrix.org> 1. FCMP++ and CARROT

<namenet:matrix.org> 2. The hbs frontend swap

<namenet:matrix.org> 3. Serai

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> you guys have any way to pay grocery stores or similar using crypto or self custody wallets?

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> I saw a guy once that payed his grocery bills using a ring, and he told me that was using crypto and xmr being privately exchanged in a DEX, now im curious.

<yatta:private.coffee> @edreiestrada:matrix.org: What kinda ring?

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> tangem ring any rfid ring like RFID / NFC Smart Ring - Size 9 - NTAG213

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> it works like a credit card, if you set it up, and it oculd be a hot wallet, or cold, it depends whatever you want to do with that

TBH I feel like using crypto in the real world is gimmicky and pointless. There's a much better option, more untraceable under proper use option that requires no energy. It's when it's not available or similarly impractical (cash by mail) that crypto shines.

<yatta:private.coffee> So basically if you not buying candy, vpn or vps, cash is still king?

I've never seen a VPS payable with cash. Only some VPN providers (and even then it's cash by mail, which is illegal in some places).

Basically, imo, absolutely yes. If you can receive the product fac to face, cash is always king.

cash in the mail is illegal where?

In my country it's illegal

<namenet:matrix.org> @namenet:matrix.org: Does no one know???????

<g:1312.media> IM the supervisor

<g:1312.media> get in the taxi #

<g:1312.media> how to enforce cash in envelop = a bitta time behind a door in the big boys club? xray lol foiled again

<g:1312.media> BlueyHealer: should be more direct... obvs not south america or commonwealth .... u in best korea buddy?

no idea about SK laws

BlueyHealer: which country is that?

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> Hi all, I should be in the correct room ; if not, let me know. I use Feather with a ledger. I was wondering, if I lose the ledger, can I restore my wallet in Feather without having to buy a new ledger ? If yes, how should I proceed ?

you should have the seed phrase

<kevino:tchncs.de> Only if you made a backup of seeds

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> I have the recovery phrase. It's used on ledger to recover access to all the wallets (monero and other ccryptos)

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: Thanks. So will Feather recognize my recovery phrase / "master key" (created by the ledger device) or do I previously need to "derive" my monero seed / private key from this master key ? And how ?

thewhiterabiit_: you can try to import the seed phrase

into feather

and match the public key with the one on your ledger

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> Sindy: Just had a look at the restore wallet from seed function in Feather. On the next screen I get Select seed type 14 / 16 / 25 word mnemonic seed. So I guess this avenue is out. I'll ask my question to the Feather team directly.

how many words does your phrase have

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> Sindy: 24

i'm guessing it's missing the checksum word

you could select the 25 word option and cycle through the available words until it validates

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> Sindy: to my understanding, ledger generates a master seed from which it derives all the private keys (for several crypto wallets) but Feather is expecting a monero seed.

welp

you have to figure out the derivation algorithm

for your ledger

each hardware wallet has their own algorithm

<kevino:tchncs.de> @thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org: You have option to import 14 word , 16 world and 25 word seed in feather

<kevino:tchncs.de> @thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org idk if such tool exists

<kevino:tchncs.de> Apparently there is seed convertor tool by ledger

<kevino:tchncs.de> Can't send media in this room

<kevino:tchncs.de> github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/tree/master/tools/python

<kevino:tchncs.de> support.ledger.com/article/360006352934-zd

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: Awweome. You found the right answer. Thanks 🙏🏼

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/tree/master/tools/python

<hbs:matrix.org> > <@thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> Hi all, I should be in the correct room ; if not, let me know. I use Feather with a ledger. I was wondering, if I lose the ledger, can I restore my wallet in Feather without having to buy a new ledger ? If yes, how should I proceed ?

<hbs:matrix.org> There is a utility by ledger to generate the 25 words Monero seed for a Monero account: github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/blob/master/tools/python/README.md

<thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: Yes I finally managed to find it. Thanks

<eddie:oblak.be> wtf is this?

<eddie:oblak.be> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/oblak.be/cIClyoQzfFtfulONPGwXsirr.png (image.png)

<plowsof:matrix.org> its the 101% attack where they disable the api on mining pool stats

<eddie:oblak.be> website broken?

<plowsof:matrix.org> indeed, this is accurate blocks.p2pool.observer

<eddie:oblak.be> damn hope someone can fix it

the graph looks like when monero's algorithm got cracked by ASIC companies

is that what happened

is randomX weak now? ;_;

<eddie:oblak.be> @plowsof:matrix.org: is starting to look really beautiful

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @eddie:oblak.be: Unfixable, unfortuntely

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Switch to zanocash

guys

monero is compromised

the hashrate s taken up by asic

<fartbubbler:matrix.org> Bitmain my beloved have done it again

<fartbubbler:matrix.org> Looking forward to buying one after they "test" it for a year or so

Not an asic, it's just Cat using her abacus

<alexandre:uii.pt> wasn't the "ASIC" they created just barely faster than a normal computer?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it was 6 computers in a box

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think was faster than the sum of its parts

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> I want to talk about monero with people, but I haven't found a XMR active community

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> do you guys know any?

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> hi tromp

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Depend what your looking for @edreiestrada:matrix.org

<ravfx:xmr.mx> #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<ravfx:xmr.mx> #hackfreedomspace:digitalprivacy.diy

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> Thanks Rav

<namenet:matrix.org> Are you part of the cabal or something? How did you predict all this as well as a Zcash pump? Zcash was $30 when you posted this

<namenet:matrix.org> This is exactly happening on twitter right now. Sockpuppets and smearing campaigns from Zcash followers

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> that's just well known facts

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> he's speaking the language of truth

<namenet:matrix.org> I'm so confused

<namenet:matrix.org> I was interested in what caused this pump so I searched this channel using "zcash" as a filter and messages from this person came up

is there a web based dex that i can trade bitcoin for monero? or would I have to use the haveno program?

also preferrably one that uses a smart contract or something, that seems like a good idea

<namenet:matrix.org> Not web based but eigenwallet.org is better for BTC <-> XMR or BasicSwap if you're comfortable running a BTC node (basicswapdex.com)

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> what if i want XMR To USD

<namenet:matrix.org> You can check liquidity on eigenwallet using eigenwallet.org/statistics.html

snake: you could use atomic swaps

<namenet:matrix.org> @edreiestrada:matrix.org: RetoSwap is better for fiat trades not crypto to crypto

<namenet:matrix.org> Eigenwallet and BasicSwap use atomic swaps

yeah I was reading about atomic swaps but there were a lot of different ways to do it it seems, and seems they all involve using a special wallet

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> @namenet:matrix.org: thanks

<namenet:matrix.org> snake If you're willing to wait at least 1 year Serai will offer a Uniswap-like experience to swap BTC, ETH, DAI, etc. on a web frontend

<namenet:matrix.org> beta.moneroswap.eth.link is currently being tested for XMR <-> EVM swaps but it's not ready

snake: last time i used github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap

yeah i could wait, i don't even have any bitcoin yet that i'd want to do this with. but I'm accepting payments in crypto now so I want to have a plan to avoid getting locked out

<namenet:matrix.org> L29Ah: THIS REPO IS UNMAINTAINED

<namenet:matrix.org> PLEASE USE eigenwallet INSTEAD

like avoid getting locked out of an exchange in case a mean person sends me bad bitcoin

<namenet:matrix.org> You can keep track of Serai progress here: serai.exchange

<namenet:matrix.org> It has links to all their socials and GitHub. It's being maintained by kaybanerve

snake: you could accept XMR?

ok thankyou! i will follow it

and not worry about it

avoid nasty exchanges if you care about not getting locked out

Sindy i accept both yes

also avoid mixers like the plague

right i don't need anything like that

<namenet:matrix.org> Using mixers nowadays at best makes clean BTC -> suspicious BTC

<namenet:matrix.org> Or suspicions BTC -> suspicious BTC

<namenet:matrix.org> According to AML checks

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, it's why I stopped MMing on eigenwallet

<ravfx:xmr.mx> What i'm supposed to do with the BTC I get lol. I can't just throw it a tradeorgy anymore

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Why BTC wallet don't connect to OFAC and other scam and warn you about the tainted output you have

<ravfx:xmr.mx> that would be a nice update for there bitcorn ecosystems

<ravfx:xmr.mx> you know, so you can use the shit without worring about your account getting banned because you spend coins they don't want you to spend

bitcoins are NFTs

<namenet:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: I remember there was a website for checking if you have tainted BTC

<namenet:matrix.org> It was an onion I forgot the name

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, Ideally it should be in the wallets

<ravfx:xmr.mx> like if you try to spend it should not use tained output except if you ask it to use tained output

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And when you receive tainted coin it should produce a popup telling you that you got scammed or something

<ravfx:xmr.mx> because lets get real, you can't spend that anywhere safely lol

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> L29Ah: that's misleading, you might say

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> satoshi is a NFT

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> btc can be divided [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/8vrC9r0KN1Z0aFNF ]

<ravfx:xmr.mx> There : each btc outputs are individual NFT

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> 1 satoshi = 0.00000001 BTC

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> but that does not matter

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> XMR is just better

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> BTC is not even private anymore

<namenet:matrix.org> BTC was never private

<ravfx:xmr.mx> that been said, BTC camp could make it better by at lease integrate the tainted coin flagging inside wallet so user know which output to not use

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yep, BTC was never private

<ravfx:xmr.mx> you can make it more private say, if you use a different address for each time you receive funds (but that's going to be illegal in the USSA soon)

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> Im scared of the same happening to xmr

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> they are trying to crack all the time

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They need XMR

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They want XMR

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But they don't want normies to use XMR

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> 51% etc

<ravfx:xmr.mx> so XMR will stay, if they did not want it, it would already be dead

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> why not? everyone should use xmr

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> even brainless normies

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @edreiestrada:matrix.org: The admins want to use XMR but don't want there slaves to use XMR

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> I feel the same, I mean profit.

<namenet:matrix.org> It doesn't matter. Amounts and sender are not hidden. > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> you can make it more private say, if you use a different address for each time you receive funds (but that's going to be illegal in the USSA soon)

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> profit = good

<namenet:matrix.org> This is why Satoshi thought of ring signatures but he never got to implement them.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @namenet:matrix.org: Yeah, but that's still going to get illegal soon

<ravfx:xmr.mx> using a different address for each receiving event is equal to mixing for them

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> they can't make anonymous and private things illegal

<namenet:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Isn't that already the case in the EU?

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> the illegal part, is to abuse of privacy and do illegal things

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @namenet:matrix.org: Maybe, it's it's for 2027 or something

<namenet:matrix.org> You need to KYC every address you make.

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> that's what they are banning all the time everywhere, unless you are in north korea or other dictatorship

<namenet:matrix.org> @edreiestrada:matrix.org: It's already happening

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Canada require you to KYC every address you send money to

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> that's why we need better privacy

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> and spit in the face of KYC

<ravfx:xmr.mx> All KYC information belong on some tor forums

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And that unfortunately will make it worst, because to protect your identity they want digital ids

<alexandre:uii.pt> how would the govts enforce that for DEX?

<namenet:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Digital ID is already a thing in the EU

<ravfx:xmr.mx> So they can track every single slaves moves but protect them from leaks

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> @namenet:matrix.org: im glad to not be in a monarchy

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I'm glad i'm in the "third world"

<namenet:matrix.org> @alexandre:uii.pt: cryptoninjas.net/news/europes-2027-…the-end-of-anonymous-crypto-wallets

<namenet:matrix.org> @namenet:matrix.org: ec.europa.eu/digital-building-block…738/EU+Digital+Identity+Wallet+Home

<namenet:matrix.org> This is no longer a conspiracy theory

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> dam EU sucks

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> No one tracks you down in africa

<alexandre:uii.pt> @namenet:matrix.org: right, but technically how are they gonna enforce it?

<edreiestrada:matrix.org> specially if you use monero

<alexandre:uii.pt> it's all fun and games "oh you have to declare all the wallets you have, pretty please", but how about no

<namenet:matrix.org> @alexandre:uii.pt: From on/off ramps

<namenet:matrix.org> People almost always used a centralized on/off ramp. Centralized exchange will be the choke point

<alexandre:uii.pt> well, yeah, if you use CEX sure, but with DEX it's impossible to track, no?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> yeah, they fsck with off/onramp

<alexandre:uii.pt> on/off ramps?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> just look at the past, they already wiped localbitcoins and localmonero

<ravfx:xmr.mx> everything centralized is going to get enforced

<namenet:matrix.org> @alexandre:uii.pt: If you use something like Retoswap yes

<namenet:matrix.org> But most people used centralized exchanges

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @alexandre:uii.pt: fiat2crypto/crypto2fiat

<alexandre:uii.pt> @ravfx:xmr.mx: oh right

<namenet:matrix.org> @alexandre:uii.pt: Centralized exchanges are required to comply with EU regulations and provide customer data. If you buy BTC from Binance, for example, Binance must then share that information with the EU. They can implement a tool to automate this process, so every time you off-ramp to an address, you will be required to [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lrb29r0Kalh4ZTZ4 ]

<ravfx:xmr.mx> EU/Canada and USSA are all scamming afaik

<alexandre:uii.pt> right, again, that's only on centralized exchanges. Unless they make mining illegal (lol) there will always be ways to do P2P transactions

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Canada, to withdraw money from a CEX to a new address, well, you can't. You have to KYC the receiving address before you can withdraw there

<ravfx:xmr.mx> P2P is the way to go.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> * Haveno

<ravfx:xmr.mx> * Eigen (no idea what to do with the corn still because no wallet flag taineted coins)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> * Basicswap

<namenet:matrix.org> @alexandre:uii.pt: The fact that 99% of people use centralized exchanges means that it will have a significant impact on them and all DeFi applications they interact with.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Or... Just use Telegram with your ex localmonero contact (careful)

<namenet:matrix.org> The Monero community is ahead of the curve.

<namenet:matrix.org> I don't know why Zcash is still listed on exchanges in the EU.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @namenet:matrix.org: Because it's not a real privacy coin

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Because they have ezchange addresses

<namenet:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: zks are better than ring signatures

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Like rav said, they can see 100% of the coins that have entered or left the address that you use to interact with exchanges

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @namenet:matrix.org: bulletproofs are zkp

<namenet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Because they have transparent pools

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ok zks aka snarks

<namenet:matrix.org> I get it now...

<namenet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> arrr is better than optional privacy

<ravfx:xmr.mx> all ztrash interraction are non private

<ravfx:xmr.mx> except if you send from one person to another person

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero amounts and sender/receiver privacy, w/o eae, is solid privacy

<namenet:matrix.org> Can Monero ever switch to zk-snarks?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> fcmp => zks

<namenet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Is this really possible?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yes

<yatta:private.coffee> If trying haveno, would you test with retoswap or hardenedsteel first? > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> P2P is the way to go.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @yatta:private.coffee: reto

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardensteel's network isnt alive anymorenafaik

<yatta:private.coffee> Ohh reto all we got

<namenet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I'm pretty sure zks is qunatum secure so it would make sense for Monero to switch well after FCMP++ is done. Good to know

<namenet:matrix.org> I don't know if it was zks or zk-stark

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @yatta:private.coffee: retoswap is the one I know. I did hear about hardenedsteel but I forgot it existed

<ravfx:xmr.mx> can we have a protocol that merge all the haveno so it don't get splintered all over the place?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ravfx:xmr.mx: It'd be more of a marketplace and not really secure atm

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Since haveno admins can rug xmr makers ... :S

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I mean

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Reto

<ravfx:xmr.mx> hardenedsteel

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So if you had 10 networks in 1 interface, you might have some scum network rug you

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yeah your right

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> need to trust the network you use until there is some mitigation implemented

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So til then, in reto we trust

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If reto rugs, it might ruin confidence in the whole thing. Knowing this, i think its wild that people put up like 500xmr offers

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll use reto, but not going to be the fool thay get mt gox'd by a "dex"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so i limit risk and only put up smaller offers when needed

<yatta:private.coffee> I remember thinkingh gox was basically the deathblow to all crypto conceptually

<namenet:matrix.org> It only got worse

<yatta:private.coffee> tru, but the resilience only bolstered my hopes and faith

<yatta:private.coffee> Then FTX put me back in hopeless land. Now I don't even know what to think bahaha

<yatta:private.coffee> oh inverted world

<namenet:matrix.org> @yatta:private.coffee: Binance holds $181,696,877,123.56 in assets

<namenet:matrix.org> $181,696,877,123.56 trusted to a CEX

<yatta:private.coffee> unfathomable amount of $$$

<namenet:matrix.org> I mean the entire point of BTC was to avoid another 2008 crisis where poeple lose money to banks. Now centralized exchanges are reinventing the wheel and ignoring the genesis block message.

<yatta:private.coffee> First as farce, then as tragedy

<namenet:matrix.org> But like you said, I still have hope. We have communities like Monero building the cypherpunk vision parallel to this nonsense.

<alexandre:uii.pt> problem is people using that as an investment asset rather than an actual coin

<namenet:matrix.org> @alexandre:uii.pt: I really don't get it, especially the ETF nonsense. All it takes is one hack and someone can just send all this BTC/etc. to a dead address burning all the money people invested.

<yatta:private.coffee> idk, it kinda checks out--the current situation is becoming more desperate and less secure so people are going to further lengths to chase after the ngu high/rush.

<namenet:matrix.org> @yatta:private.coffee: I guess that does make sense. I just hope Monero can survive whatever fall out ensues.

<yatta:private.coffee> when annual raises get outpaced by mere inflation among other routine exploitations, how is the everyman to attempt to stay afloat than to get crafty as possible

<yatta:private.coffee> Every fallout it lives through adds a new layer of steadfast hope and endless faith

<namenet:matrix.org> Because for some reason Monero is still correlated to the rest of the market.

<yatta:private.coffee> Only thing that can still be used honestly

<yatta:private.coffee> essence precedes existence. It's precisely as the existentialist claimed many moons ago

<ravfx:xmr.mx> For people still don't know how bad yesterday was, here's a quick summary:

<ravfx:xmr.mx> $ATOM went from $4 to $0.001

<ravfx:xmr.mx> $SUI went frim $3.4 to $0.56[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/id2R-L0KWHNqN2Z0 ]

<namenet:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: $ATOM went from $4 to $0.001

<namenet:matrix.org> There is no way.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Imo I only say the 80% DOT dump

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Saw**

<namenet:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Also yes XMR is correlated but it is definitely far more stable than other altcoins.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @namenet:matrix.org: No idea, look at the chart maybe, not at hq right how

<namenet:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: It went from $4.5 to about $3

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Probably depend of the exchange

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Big moves are never equal all over the place

<hbs:matrix.org> @namenet:matrix.org: If there were some buy order at 0.001 deep in the order book and someone dumped a lot of ATOM it is probable the order book was emptied all the way to the 0.001 order

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Its how I brought a bunch of nero for less than 90$ less than 2 years ago.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Also setup wishful orders....

<namenet:matrix.org> It will probably happen again when Kraken delists

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I wosh I could get some Monero for 50$ -> setup a buy order at 51$ and leave it there

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Get your wishful orders ready

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Thats the only reason to leave money in a CEX (beside actually trading)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Be sure you put notification so you dont forget it when it trigger 3 years later