<snifflz1:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: Monero can be used for any type of transaction. ANY transaction. Memes are not needed.

<darkseid:matrix.darkseid.ch> test

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Everything you've described is what DarkFi is planning to do. The future is a combination of XMR (like BTC, but actually used as cash) and DarkFi (like ETH, but with privacy). Don't turn XMR into a Rube Goldberg machine > <@elongated:matrix.org> Xmr can’t depend on cex

<eddie:oblak.be> I also believe we shouldn't make monero more complicated than it already is. It will only increase attack surface.

<gan:skhron.org> @darkseid:matrix.darkseid.ch: test unsuccessful

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: I agree. Allowing Monero swaps on an L1 or L2 would turn it into a financial platform, similar to how I see ETH. This would also open a regulatory can of worms

<eddie:oblak.be> I don't know about regulatory

<eddie:oblak.be> I never understood why cryptocurrencies are such a big deal for regulators.

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: Zcash is the perfect example. For regulators like the SEC, if you don't put a stronghold on cryptocurrencies, you get whales (like the Winklevoss twins) who can pay off influencers and the like to manipulate a market (which is literally illegal) and swindle funds from unsuspecting buyers. Many people get scammed, and you can't simply call them "stupid"

<eddie:oblak.be> Sure

<eddie:oblak.be> But what I mean is that these rules already apply to tradfi

<eddie:oblak.be> So you can just apply the rules

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: This has happened before in gold and silver markets, where whales manipulate prices to trick unsuspecting people and swindle them. It also happened way back in 1929. This is precisely why financial regulation was introduced in the first place

<eddie:oblak.be> I don't understand why scammers suddenly think that what is illegal in tradfi, would be legal "because we are using crypto"

<gan:skhron.org> @duckpondy:matrix.org: I will call them stupid tho 🧌

<eddie:oblak.be> Better call 'm greedy

<eddie:oblak.be> The problem with ETH and smartcontracts is that it attracts a lot of get rich quick people that launch LP's and whatnot to fast. And then vulnerabilities are exploited to drain contracts and so forth.

<eddie:oblak.be> Even protocols that were audited multiple times might suffer from an overlooked vuln

<eddie:oblak.be> But then again, ETH itself works as intended.. It's the applications written for it that have problems mostly

<eddie:oblak.be> At least that's how I understand it.

<eddie:oblak.be> A lot of these security problems, in my opinion, come from corporate pressure

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: It's unfair to call people stupid just for making comparisons. For example, when the S&P 500 is only up by X% while Zcash is climbing by Y%, it's natural to think the latter is a better investment. Some might even compare it to Bitcoin, especially considering the sheer number of paid influencers promoting it

<duckpondy:matrix.org> The reality is that whales have private groups where they collude with market makers to decide when a market peak should end. Before you dismiss this, you should read the leaked chat logs from Do Kwon before his arrest. It shows how evil these people can be

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<gan:skhron.org> @duckpondy:matrix.org: This is such a simpleton view of the supposed security, plainly unfathomable

<fungible.:matrix.org> web3isgoinggreat.com

vtnerd I just saw you did a new commit about lock_funds, thank you, I am going to try it

vtnerd I just finished some tests, it works better now but there is still the issue that it is not possible to send the funds right after the transaction is confirmed, I can see now locked_funds but when it is set to 0 I am still unable to spend my funds

vtnerd 30min after doing the tx, 16 conf, blockheight +15 still unable to spend my funds

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Downloading the node is super-slow. I'm at 81% with a ETA of 4 days?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I've run through the usual suspects ie. Connectivity, CPU, memory

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm using an SSD harddrive

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Restarted daemon, system. No change.

robbin_da_hood with a good cpu and good bandwidth I can sync everything in less than 48hours but if you take bad vps with shared cpu it can take more than 1 month to sync

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm using Ubuntu live, the system is running at 97% cpu

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Thanks. What's the choke point?

robbin_da_hood I am also using debian based and for me it works fine, if you have good cpu then probably the issue is your internet service provider

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: I can watch video no problem

robbin_da_hood I never told you to watch video but do whatever you want ;-)

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Right. But could the ISP throttle node specifically?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The daemon uses http right?

robbin_da_hood if you think you are victim of censorship from your internet service provider then you can try to sync your node with tor network

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: I thought that method was discouraged?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Abuse of tor, no?

robbin_da_hood I don't think so

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I guess I could try torsocks

yes you run monerod with torsocks

you can also try to add ban list file

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> How will a ban list help ?

robbin_da_hood at this point I advise you to read more

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Torsos has a ipv4 binding error issue. I've included the bank list though.

robbin_da_hood I think you should set DNS_PUBLIC env variable and also --p2p-bind-ip

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Adding the ban list has made it slower. Still a great idea though.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: 🥰

btw in getmonero.org they are advertising cloudflare with 1.1.1.1 😈

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm running:

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> DNS_PUBLIC=tcp TORSOCKS_ALLOW_INBOUND=1 torsocks ./monerod --p2p-bind-ip 127.0.0.1 --no-igd --hide-my-port --data-dir=N --ban-list=r.txt

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Its running, but it's actually slower.

robbin_da_hood so it probably means you have no censorship from your isp, using tor usually make it slower

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> OK. Im at 80-ish percent. I guess I'll have to wait this out. Thanks, bro.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Shouldn't this channel be encrypted btw?

this channel is publicly logged

so it's useless to encrypt

usually it just causes problems

how much is tor worth? 53$? ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2025arXiv250910755L/abstract

<bd1472172:matrix.org> Anyone in here using retoswap? Most offers on the list has a 15% deposit, but my offer has a much higher deposit. Does it matter? Can I change it somehow?

bd1472172: advanced options

and set the security deposit percentage there

i think it is adjusted to how risky the payment method is or something

like if you use paypal, your security deposit will be set higher by default

<modul8:matrix.org> @bd1472172:matrix.org: may depend on trade size. play around with it, it doesnt cost anything before cofirming. solid exchange.

<bd1472172:matrix.org> @modul8:matrix.org: Thanks. I was also under the impression it's using atomic swap for the XMRBTC pair. But that does not seem to be the case.

<modul8:matrix.org> @bd1472172:matrix.org: no its not atomic swap. just be patient as the other party may not be online. the client doesnt have a proper notifications to a phone. if you are doing crypto/crypto its very easy to prove your case if there is ever a dispute.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Can I run my block chain node using an external HD plugged into my tails system?

sure

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Run node on localhost?

<jeffro256> I wouldn't recommend using a spinny drive if that's what you're asking

i agree with what jeffro256

said

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Any extra precautions I should take? I'm using an ssd

but really, as long as there's sufficient space, you can store the blockchain anywhere

just that, it'll be terrible on a HDD

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Torsocks + restricted rpc + ban list

robbin_da_hood: you don't need any precautions

as long as it's only you who's using it

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm at 81% with a 7 day eta

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Thanks

you can bind monerod to 127.0.0.1

so that it only listens locally, instead of all IP addresses

(using --rpc-bind-ip 127.0.0.1)

then you wouldn't need restricted rpc

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Hmmm

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> There'd have to be an outside sync though?

if you're not hosting a public monerod node, you don't need to expose the RPC port

restricted RPC is really for public monerod node hosters

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'd have no problem running a public node - through torsocks only

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> What's the smallest could device?

smallest could device?

also tails is designed for forgetfulness

and ephermeral sessions

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> monero etiquette

it doesn't really work well with hosting a public node, because you need 100% uptime or the best you can get

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Right. It has a persistence feature though

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Agreed. Not on tails.

that's only really for files, not running tails 24/7

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> A mini computer with it's own cpu, WiFi + server daemon?

you need at least 4 GB of RAM

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I need a mini-computer

or maybe 2 GB

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: To run a node

yes

you have to factor in RandomX's RAM usage, which is like 256MB for mini

or 2GB for full

monerod will probably use light mode anyway

but it'll be nice to have a buffer for it

like more than enough RAM

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Mini computers are more expensive than actual computers. Lol.

just buy a raspberry pi

or some ARM SBC

you could even expose the node behind a hidden service, if you care about tor a lot

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Good call. $200 for a desktop. Not bad.

i don't actually know the SD slot is fast enough for proper perfromance

with constant reads and writes to the blockchain data

nor the endurance

but raspberry pi is pretty extensible, and there are mods that allow you to hook on NVMe/SSD drives

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> At the moment im getting a write every 10 seconds > <Cindy> i don't actually know the SD slot is fast enough for proper perfromance

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> ...at best

apparently it has 104MB/s read speed

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> If I move to another WiFi connection. Will it download faster?

which is actually pretty terrible

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It's getting slower

robbin_da_hood: use a high-speed ethernet cable

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Hmmm

more reliable

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm not sure i have one. Can you give me a % guesstimate that'll work? Is it worthwhile buying one 🤔

<ofrnxmr> This is the default > <Cindy> (using --rpc-bind-ip 127.0.0.1)

robbin_da_hood: depends on your network card but like

but if you get a CAT5e cable then it should be really really good

<ofrnxmr> For 200, u can buy a much more powerful minipc > <@robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Good call. $200 for a desktop. Not bad.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> So the WiFi connection is the choke point?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Do tell?

yes, unless you move your computer closer to the WiFi signal

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: It's only 1m away

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Not likely. Probably your storage device

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Its ssd though

is it a NVMe?

<ofrnxmr> what does sync_info show

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: amazon.com/dp/B0CQ4RYC3X example

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Which info in particular ?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Status OK

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Untrusted false

is your SSD connected over SATA or NVMe

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: I have it plugged into the usb

usb?

is it a USB 3.0?

at least?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Not Available in Europe

pls don't be USB 1.0 or 2.0

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Could be USB 2

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Old system

that's actually pretty shit

2x slower than a HDD over SATA

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 1 List of ips youre connected to > <@robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Which info in particular ?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 2 {number}mbs queud in {number} spans

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 3 [moooooooo]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 4 list of queue

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/gZSGgskKYzgwNFZs ]

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Needs must. Still USB 2 can handle more data than this

no really it can't

even on a HDD connected internally, it struggles

USB 2.0 is even worse

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I see "overview: mooooo...." I don't see "mbs queud"

<mrpump:matrix.org> the monero balance shown on cake wallet is different than the one on monero wallet cli for the same account

<mrpump:matrix.org> why?

mrpump: try rescanning the blockchain

it probably missed some outputs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Immediately above mooo

<mrpump:matrix.org> Cindy: I did same balance every time

<mrpump:matrix.org> and no it didn't miss some outputs

<mrpump:matrix.org> every transaction is there just with trimmed out amount

<mrpump:matrix.org> I think the issue is with cake

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @mrpump:matrix.org: Different restore height, hardware wallet, or view-only wallet?

<mrpump:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: it's the same seed phrase

but what's the restore height

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt ask that

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: I've shutdown the system. Ill run it on a better computer.

<mrpump:matrix.org> ah yes thanks it maybe missed older transactions

<mrpump:matrix.org> thanks

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: The question was for mrpump

07:55:42 <+br-m> <robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Shouldn't this channel be encrypted btw?

most channels are bridged to IRC

hi from IRC

yes

i forgot i tell you all something

bridge could support encrypted channels. but then it'd decrypt them publicly making it useless

i am a IRC user

DataHoarder: also btw this is publicly logged

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm getting a 'blockchain is on a rotating drive, this will be slow' error. The chain is on a ssd though?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The monerod daemon and --data-dir are both on an ssd

is it detecting based off of the speed

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Hmmm

Unless someone changes it since, it goes by whatever the kernel reports, not speed.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Its definitely an ssd

Via USB though, driver might say nope.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It runs faster on my new system, on try without gnome

yeah it checks using the kernel sysfiles

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> moneromoooo: Right. Via USB.

the autodetection sometimes is wrong

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> 2 days left as opposed to 7.4 on my other system.

See kernel info with: cat /sys/dev/block/*/queue/rotational

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> moneromoooo: A load of zeros, then a 1

Then match the major/minor for the 1 with the device, see if that's where the db is.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> moneromoooo: No idea?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It just says '1'

You should have /dev device names in /sys/dev/block/*

Then see what's mounted there.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Nothing useful from above.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> du -h lists my ssd as mounted on /dev/sda1

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Bus 2 device 3

I have, eg: /sys/dev/block/A:B/queue/rotational (A and B are placeholders, replace with whatever gives you a 1 in that pseudo file)

Then, ls /sys/dev/block/A:B/

You should have device names, I have xvdc3 for example.

Then mount | grep xvdc3

robbin_da_hood: do cat /sys/block/sda/dev

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> OK. Ill just leave this for a while. Hopefully I'll have the full node by Monday. Thanks for your help bro... 😉

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: 8:0

then it's /sys/dev/block/8:0

most likely

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> ?

do cat /sys/dev/block/8:0/queue/rotational

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> No such file or dir

huh

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Just means it's not rotational?

worked for me in my system, can you do ls /sys/dev/block/

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> My bad

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Typo

ah

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> 1 > <Cindy> do cat /sys/dev/block/8:0/queue/rotational

okay then your SSD is reporting itself as a HDD

to the kernel

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Ouch

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It says 'SSD' on the hd. Maybe I need to install proprietary drivers?

Might just be the usb layer.

^

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Change USB port?

what adaptor are you using

if it's not an external SSD

Could be, if not all USB ports can do USB 3 or whatever.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: USB c to usb

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The external ssd is formatted as exfat?

are you trying to maintain windows compatibility with the data in your SSD?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Is there another way to connect an external ssd besides USB?

depends on what port your SSD has

<bd1472172:matrix.org> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: There is something called eSATA but it's not so common.

is it NVMe? or SATA?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: No idea

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The monero daemon isn't logging. Im using the --log-file x.log switch

wdym?

i mean look at your SSD

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> SATA

ah

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> USB 3

does your computer have eSATA?

it should look like a USB port but much wider

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> kinda looks like a hdmi port? Yes

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Did I just buy a crappy ssd?

you could get a SATA to eSATA cable

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Now monerod is seg faulting. Grrr

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Eno1 link is down

did it say "core dumped"?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Yes. Im looking at the logs now

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Loop20: detected capacity change from 0 to 8

you should debug monerod

with the coredump

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I think I may have removed the USB ungracefully. Device is always busy.

why did you do that

if a process is currently using the device, it'll stop you from removing it

removing it anyway will cause corruption

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Error 4 in libc.so.6 likely on cpu 1

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I cant shutdown my system just to remove a usb

no

you should just shut down monerod

and whatever processes that are currently using the USB, before you remove it

rather than pulling it out and spotanously crashing the programs who were busy using the drive

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Its constantly busy, even after shutting monerod

then there were probably other processes using the drive

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Probably. Who knows

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Its constantly busy

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> data.mdb looks fine

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It looks like data.mdb is causing the seg fault. Its a db file, should be repairable right?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It was 82% finished

delete the database file and restart again

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Lol. Not the answer I was hoping for 😜

maybe this is a PSA to tell you to never unplug a USB ungracefully :P

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Lol

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Can I just run a pruned node?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Its not a hardware issue. It flies at 1%

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm not waiting 7+ days for this node to download

robbin_da_hood: there is --db-salvage

but it's guaranteed to work 100% of the time

if it doesn't work, your best bet is to just delete and try again

it's not guaranteed*

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Thanks. I'll use pruned for the time-being. I'll let full node run in the background later

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm at 15% of pruned already. Lol

<bd1472172:matrix.org> Prune juice is Worf's favourite. A warrior's drink.

if you're gonna unplug the USB, at least shutdown monerod first

most importantly

<fungible.:matrix.org> monero-blockchain-import --pop-blocks

<fungible.:matrix.org> or something like that iirc

<fungible.:matrix.org> @bd1472172:matrix.org: i would avoid trading on retoswap with people i havent traded before, being too sus of people nowadays, including yourself

<fungible.:matrix.org> luckily that's how the reputation/trust sytem works over there, you know with people you traded with already, if it worked once, 2, 3, 4 times then trust been built that way

<fungible.:matrix.org> so just the daily reminder, dont trust anyone

<fungible.:matrix.org> and my appologizes to Cindy if u wasnt actually sus but just played ironically on the irc thing (which i didnt catch up on)

what?

the IRC thing?

<fungible.:matrix.org> idk

i don't know what you're talking about :P

i mean i am on IRC, but i don't actually know what you're referring to specifically

<fungible.:matrix.org> you trying to lure people to irc, knowing it's not safe for newcomers with their ip address leaking to the whole chat

<fungible.:matrix.org> if you did it non-ironically then you're sus, if it was ironical, my bad

i did suggest people go to IRC because it's better than Matrix, but y'know i get that libera doesn't cloak users by default

and that's a big issue i hate

<fungible.:matrix.org> aight so you're sus, else you would have mentioned beforehand the vpn/cloak thing before joining these rooms

yes i do recommend VPN or cloak before joining :P

why wouldn't I

<fungible.:matrix.org> well you didnt

and why would you assume that i don't want users to not do that

<fungible.:matrix.org> "oh if u want to talk to me then you have to come to irc"

<fungible.:matrix.org> smh

i did that because of the shit spam that was happening over at the matrix side

and tbh libera has better anti-spam measures than monero's matrix room

considering that libera automatically cloaks you now after registering, you can just ask the ops here to MODE +r to force everyone to register

and y'know, no uncloaked users left behind

<fungible.:matrix.org> thanks for the "viewkey" on that one, despite the bullying u did the other day, which may or may not have been ironical, hard to tell, but you were on point right here imo > <@eddie:oblak.be> I also believe we shouldn't make monero more complicated than it already is. It will only increase attack surface.

<fungible.:matrix.org> am out for now... keep being careful, cant be tinfoil enough, ever...

i'm sorry for not giving you enough info that ady

day*

<fungible.:matrix.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: such a "trusted" ccs account you got there... public identity and 2019, so very trusted.... because people wanting to be anon are the ones that shouldnt be trusted, right?

Cindy howdy! How goes it? #monero been a more stable less trolly place lately?

hi ax562

monero been climbing steadily recently :)

nice to hear!

yup :)

btc been on a downward spiral after it peaked at ~= $120,000 :(

<fungible.:matrix.org> #monero-markets

yeah uhh

keep price talk there

thanks fungible.:matrix.org

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I did shutdown monerod > <Cindy> if you're gonna unplug the USB, at least shutdown monerod first

ah

<fungible.:matrix.org> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: like i said, try "monero-blockchain-import --pop-blocks" with like few thousands blocks or somethin, should be able to fix it, probably

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @fungible.:matrix.org: I've actually deleted it now. Lol.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Thanks though.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @fungible.:matrix.org: Guys, Just assume everyone you meet on a monero channel is 3 letter agency affiliated. And leave it at that. No point in playing divide-and-conquer imho

yes

i'm a federal agent actually

because i haven't been paid for a month :P

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cloak is autonatic > <Cindy> yes i do recommend VPN or cloak before joining :P

ofrnxmr: yes i know that, but before it wasn't

of course, you could always just +r this room to force people to join with cloaks

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No > <Cindy> delete the database file and restart again

i gave terrible advice :(

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Segfault isnt usually db related > <@robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It looks like data.mdb is causing the seg fault. Its a db file, should be repairable right?

i'm sorry

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Seems to be, in this case. monerod worked fine

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Did my username change?

no

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Robbin_da_hood => RobbinHood

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its been the latter all day

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Error? > <Cindy> robbin_da_hood: there is --db-salvage

robbin_da_hood there is an option "--db-sync-mode safe:sync"

yeah sorry for giving you bad advice :(

but it will make sync slower

<ofrnxmr> johny__: Don't need this either

<fungible.:matrix.org> johny__: while safe option, iirc it kills ssds faster, great option to have regardless

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Thanks. It was a udb ejection error. Not a sync db corruption error. 😀

<ofrnxmr> Its only a good idea during IBD if you have frequent power failures or system crashes

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Me? Or someone else

you

<fungible.:matrix.org> i meant "great option to have regardless" as great option to have in the code, wasnt suggesting robbin da hood to use it there, we agreeing on that @ofrnxmr:monero.social

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Which advice? NP btw

<ofrnxmr> fwiw, "safe" is automagically enabled once fully synced

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @fungible.:matrix.org: For dessert it'd come in handy

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> When you absolutely, positively got to sync every mutha in the room - accept no substitute. Lol.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Name that movie (director).

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Tarantino baby

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> str_replace('sync','ki*l');

<fungible.:matrix.org> idk i only watch new shits, not living in the past...

I hate tarantino, kill bill is shit

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Not his best movie

fungible.: six seven!

six sevennn

tung tung sahur

<fungible.:matrix.org> Cindy: yea, saw you the other day mentioning that, going full offtopic, while it was a good opportunity to have discussions around p2p circular economy, you're a waste of time

rude, i was just joking about the "new shits"

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> What's the story with the 2027...err...reforms?

2027?

you mean the year the EU will y'know

ban monero?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> European ban on Monero

ah yes that

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Pls tell me there's a fork in the works. Lol.

fork for what?

what would we even need to change

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Monero

but why

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The 'illegal' bit?

oh you mean the whole privacy part?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Well, if we forked, they'd have to pass another law.

the law applies to all anonymization coins

not just specifically monero

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Hmmm

laws never actually refer to something specifically

but use general terms

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I don't do anything illegal with monero. Im a privacy enthusiast.

robbin_da_hood I have trocador iframe for EU customers

to prevent name-related loopholes

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: ?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> This law will have a huge effect on monero

the thing they wanna make illegal is the thing that makes monero.. monero

robbin_da_hood trocador.app you don't know it?

and the only way to comply is to... strip out those bits

What about swapping XMR for something like Litecoin and then paying with that?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm guessing many of the public nodes are in the EU. Particularly the verified ones

i am doubtful that they'll start chasing node operators

Yeah, curious what would happen to that!

but rather businesses who accept XMR

or people big enough

it is convenient because I only have to sync monero node and I can have customers with any currency

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: I'm not taking that bet. 😉

I just know from experience pressure can start "just because" even without formal law.

also btw

2027 is the DEADLINE

not the year where they'll start cracking down

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html

they've already started cracking down a year or so ago

just look at the CEXs delisting monero for EU customers

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Interesting

<ofrnxmr> Criminal > <@robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I don't do anything illegal with monero. Im a privacy enthusiast.

ofrnxmr what is something criminal? law is different in every country

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> How can Monero be saved?

it can't be

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Pot. Kettle. Lol. 😀

unless you fold to their demands

and destroy all the privacy features of monero

<ofrnxmr> johny__: No, eu countries share the same cooked laws

johny__: this is a EU-wide law

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I think, in the current climate, it's super-important to have a coin not directly linked to the matrix.

ofrnxmr ok but EU is just a big country :-)

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Many countries. Single economic zone.

<ofrnxmr> johny__: Lol, seems thats what theyre going for. Take over all of the countries w/o a war

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Wrong

So what exactly would be prohibited there? Companies accepting it?

<ofrnxmr> That is the EEA

BlueyHealer: yes

I just wonder if this can be negated by swapping.

also it's not "would" anymore

it's now

ah

2027 is the deadline

they've already started a year ago

starting with the CEXs

<ofrnxmr> @ofrnxmr: the EEA != EU. EU is bigger than just the economic area

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Has anyone felt the pressure directly?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Do tell...

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Cexs

I guess there are some CEXs with Monero left somewhere? Just to know the swappers would stay operational.

most CEXs have stopped selling monero to EU customers

after facing regulatory pressure

I know about them removing it. Did some XMR-accepting companies also stop doing so?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: That'd be a huge loophole. I'm dubious.

Is it really preventable?..

do you think xmr will go to 800 dollars?

BlueyHealer: i mean, if they don't, they'll face money laundering charges

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Sure. Lots of laws cover stipulations like this.

johny__, doesn't matter if it gets massacred by laws...

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Why not?

companies are given til 2027

before it starts getting serious

so it'll probably cause a lot of intimidation

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> THIS SUCKS

BlueyHealer cocaine is illegal but in some place it is easier to buy than paracetamol

i don't think laws will kill monero's price

infact, it'll make it more valuable

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: right. But you'll still get locked up. Tons of cocooned inmates.

it'll cause more publicity and people thinking "hey, this currency could help protect me"

laws never actually stopped anything

Because we are talking about money and not a product. Not much value if all you can do with it is using DNMs.

talk about NSFW creators

or other people facing problems with credit card companies

other stuff like that

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> A lot less public nodes. The network strength will take a hit. Rogue nodes will dominate?

plenty of use cases not involving DNMs

Cindy, yeah, to be fair - I do very mucv have hope. Like, people market VPNs even though it's not allowed. Or renting VPSes without KYC (or for crypto!) in the country is also disallowed, but there are resellers.

robbin_da_hood: EU authorities are unlikely to crack down on node operators

it's a dumb cat and mouse game they know they won't win

so they go for registered businesses under their regulation

I would still be cautious. They can still be pressured even without laws. Like, YT is legally not blocked here yet de-facto it is.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Me: not so sure

realistically what are they gonna do

especially when the node is behind tor or I2P

Also yeah, there would be niches. Just wondering if there would be Monero resellers for non-gross things, like domains or VPNs.

They exist here, so there is hope... Just makes scams more likely tho.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Yeah. But why risk it?

Cindy, about the nodes - look at bandwidth/electricity usage patterns?

EU is facing bigger problems than a bunch of internet "criminals", no need to worry. Their attention will be on other things in 2027

and also miners

like wtf are they gonna do

withhold CPUs from people because they're scared that some of them will mine monero with them?

BlueyHealer: someone could just be playing a online game

or just hosting a regular server

BlueyHealer there are monero reseller for prepaid mastercard

Colkateral might not matter - like how in Sacramento (with smart meters) they tried to arrest a man for high energy usage thinking he was growing something.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Yeah. They're magicians though...

exactly

johny__, I've seen some for US - are there more universal ones? Also heard they are often declined.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> ...they'll make your cash disappear.

BlueyHealer: some businesses don't accept prepaid

prepaid cards are very different from regular ones

BlueyHealer I don't want to mention the one I am using but there are some for world wide mastercard

Yeah, prepaid is the word! The only such cards I have seen here are sold only for card payments, so also effectively KYC. Not sold them resold.

*not saw

forget about it

these services are either super strict KYC

or stolen cards

Cindy wrong

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Agreed. Watched like a hawk

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: ?

<bd1472172:matrix.org> I'm constantly thanking my younger self I left the EU decades ago. The EU can fuck off. The future for people will be total control and surveillance. Once people realize what that means, that will be the time for Monero to shine when there is nothing left to lose.

I am sure you will find hapiness reading bitcointalk forum

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @bd1472172:matrix.org: The US is hardly a beacon of democratic principles atm either...

<bd1472172:matrix.org> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: I don't care about the US or the whole western world anymore.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Anonymity protects society. Not harms it.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @bd1472172:matrix.org: What's the weather like in Pyongyang today? Lol. 😀

major companies are faceless and countryless, so am I

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Multinational are practically impossible to prosecute.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Regulatory capture. The house always wins in the end. 😞

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Does the cash-to-monero online network still function?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> P2p

Where did you leave for, though?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: India

<fungible.:matrix.org> @bd1472172:matrix.org: pretty sure you're the surveillance, i remember that username, which followed with myself having to ban like 100 new accounts per day joining back then, very sus user

I assumed it is more authoritarian tbh, given that they have similar restrictions to what I am experiencing.

Or you're talking about how many things are possible in legally gray areas?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> People need to use reply-windows. Swipe right people.

it's dumb to keep worrying about the EU ban

because it'll happen anyway

we just need to play our cards right

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: ?

Wdym reply windows and swipe right? What software are you talking about?

Cindy, I mean keeping finding workarounds?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Pick a comment. Swipe it right. A reply bubble should open.

Yeah, I'm vibing with such an approach. You can do nothing with the Wireguard blockage, but you can go learn VLESS.

what do you do about something you can't do anything about without compromising your values

do you want monero to be yet another zcash?

robbin_da_hood, ah, Matrix client, lol. I forgot on IRC. Also, never used such a gesture because it feels less intuitive than clicking a menu, lol

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: It's an arms race. The cause of human freedom requires constant struggle...

Cindy, you find how to use it in conjunction with things that are allowed.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> TBF I'm even more worried about the fact that Monero hasn't been outlawed in the US.

btw the weather here in Pyongyang is quite nice for this time of year

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> ...what does the US State Dept. know that we don't?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> nioc: annyong-haseo

meow

robbin_da_hood: easy to use for rugpulls

y'know the president loves to do rugpulls

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: He doesn't require anonymity though. His last pump-and-dump was set in the Whitehouse and covered by Fox News.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The world needs Monero now more than ever. Progress always comes from edge-cases.

robbin_da_hood who knows maybe the CIA created monero to fund their agent all over the world

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Like SE Linux. The US Navy invented Tor right?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> For journalists and political activists in occupied countries.

the Naval Research Laboratory initially made tor

and then released the source code under a free license in 2004

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Velcro was invented by NASA.

the EFF funded a couple people to continue development before the tor project organization even existed

and then in 2006, the tor project was founded

Tor has good funds but it takes them lots of time to fix issues, isn't it weird?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Me likes the EFF

eff has now xmr donation address?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> GIMP the Linux version of Photoshop was donated bitcoin back in the day. When someone double-checked the project wallet years later. The small donations was worth $$$$

johny__: and tor project

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> johny__: Not that I'm aware of

you can donate XMR to their address

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Monero certainly does though.

(tor project, i mean)

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: It might have been stolen by an admin.

and then email them to ask for merch, if your donation was big enough and also you have proof that you made the transaction

:P

why eff has solana donation address and not monero?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Lol. Kinda defeats the purpose I guess. Personally, I'll forgo the t-shirt if it comes with a free raid by the Secret Service attached. 😜

i mean really up to you lol

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The EFF do great work. So does the NOYB in Europe.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> They both have their work cut out for them these days.

johny__ their btc address looks like a CEX address

are they accepting donations directly onto a cex?

snake: probably a middleman that handles converting bitcoins into fiat

seems a bit unsafe but what do i know

johny__ perhaps their middleman doesn't take XMR

snake what a shame

<ofrnxmr> snake: MAGIC does this

<ofrnxmr> when getting funds from ccs -> magic, i think they deposit directly to kraken

<ofrnxmr> Mind you, my conclusion comes from a screenshot of the sale of the ccs payout amount. It could have been forwarded, idk

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> "An important nuance: the ban does not criminalise private possession. European citizens can still store XMR or ZEC on personal hardware wallets, provided they don’t use EU‑regulated services to move the coins. This creates a regulatory arbitrage where activity may shift toward decentralized, peer‑to‑peer networks that fall outside AMLA’s supervisory reach."

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> ledgerbeat.com/eu-s-2027-privacy-coin-ban-impact-on-monero-and-zcash

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> We should all know this 😉

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It would seem logical, that public nodes may not be banned either. Its a step in the wrong direction. However it gives us breathing space for the time-being.

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: If u think they arent going to go further, i have a bridge to sell you

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Absolutely

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: How much? Do you accept Xmas?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Lol

<ofrnxmr> 12.34m xmr

<ofrnxmr> Its a nice bridge

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'll give 3.14?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8,

what kind of bridge is that

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> pie / fibonacci sequence

I hope it does not look like the tacoma one

Yeah, a very gray area is about what I would expect. We have it right now.

Pecunia non olet

<gan:skhron.org> Well, to be honest, they do stink :|

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Can anyone send me a RiseUp invite? 🙏

EFF has been asked in the past to add montero

dear EFF, I would like to donate $100,000 using Monero. Please give me your Monero address so that I can send it ASAP

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> nioc: I know a guy. Ill pass it on 😉

robbin_da_hood why do you want to join RiseUp?

I guess just because it seems to have a decent reputation?

Also I have no idea how people get there at all considering that giving out invites to randoms is not allowed since there's some component of responsibility involved

BlueyHealer you just go there for their reputation?

I don't even have the means to go there, lol. So wht else would be the reason to choose it?

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<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm guessing that, by this stage, the devs have used an AI to search for security vulnerabilities in the Monero codebase?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Thoughts?

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: "hahaha"

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Spammers have done this. AI can look at w roast beef sandwich and think it has security vulnerabilities. Absolute waste of time

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Im not so sure

<ofrnxmr> I am

<eddie:oblak.be> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: There are a way more established tools to look at code for vulnerabilities

<ofrnxmr> what i stated isnt a hunch, its a fact

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Roast beef sandwiches are fundamentally unsecured btw. Lol.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I've examined comebacks with AI. It was spot-on (mostly)

<ofrnxmr> > Yes, we've received >150 submissions and about that many have been spam likely from an LLM

<ofrnxmr> Re serai bug bounty

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Trash

<boog900> @ofrnxmr: Lol was literally just about to say this, this was for monero-oxide FWIW

<ofrnxmr> And serai isnt alone. Monero and curl's bug bounty programs are plagued with ai slop submissions as well

<ofrnxmr> Sorry, s/serai/monero-oxide

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I'm not suggesting people start submitting LLM based 'vulnerabilities' unvetted. However there are billion dollar companies whose entire business model is to use AI to find vulnerabilities in codebases.

<ofrnxmr> Which companies are this

<eddie:oblak.be> The onces that audited balancer 7 times

<eddie:oblak.be> And then it still got recked

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Hornet Security uses AI to find vulnerabilities in M$ Office i believe. They are German.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> About to get acquired for $1 billion by a Texas based company called Proofpoint

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> In all fairness, AI writes good code quickly.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> I know some people will disagree

<ofrnxmr> No it doesnr

<ofrnxmr> It writes very basic, "well" formatted code quickly

<ofrnxmr> It doesnt write good code

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> It still needs the human touch. The majority of code written by Google is now AI code. As of 18 months ago.

<ofrnxmr> most slop projects ive laid eyes on are exactly that, slop

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Probably 70%+ nowadays

<ofrnxmr> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: What projects of google have even changed on the last 18 months?

<ofrnxmr> Gmail has integrated ai scanning of emails

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: I disagree. Respectfully, of course.

<ofrnxmr> i disagree with your disagreement

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Gemini

<ofrnxmr> gemini is ai, its not written by ai (afaik)

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: I don't see why not. Im guessing 70% of it is.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> In other news, an observation; ai can write code so intricate. Even AI can't debug it. Lol.

<boog900> So shit*

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Does DataAnnontation even hire coders anymore? Or are they so advanced they no longer need them? I see they are hiring Digital Marketers, Content Creators, Editors etc.

<boog900> Some of the reports we got for monero-oxide were diabolical

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> DA are the anonymous arm of ChatGPT training btw

<boog900> And it takes real humans time to investigate each claim

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @boog900: Right. They still need to pass a sanity check before submittal I guess.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> That's just script kiddies.

<boog900> I mean if someone else wants to go through monero with AI to try find vulns, while making sure their reports are high quality, then sure that could be a good idea

<boog900> I wouldn't want to spend my time holding an AIs hand though

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @boog900: 😍 absolutely

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @boog900: Well. If you are bug hunting anyway...

<rbrunner7> "The majority of code written by Google is now AI code. As of 18 months ago." That is what was needed to finish my day with a smile on my face.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The Monero codebase isn't that big - if I remember correctly?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: You doubt?

<rbrunner7> No, I don't doubt. I know that claim is marketing :)

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: You're a Googl-er ?

<rbrunner7> I am yet somebody else that you will have to agree to disagree with. I am just fooling around a bit before I log off for today.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> My bad. Q3 '24. 30% according to the CEO. My bad.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Are you aware of Hornet?

<rbrunner7> I am in IT for 40 years. Retiring soon. I was there when "expert systems" were on the brink of revolutionizing everything and take over the world, in the late 80's if I remember correctly.

<rbrunner7> I lived through the "New Economy" when a website with not much behind it like "pets.com" was worth billions of USD.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: Congrats on your retirement.

<rbrunner7> 5th Generation project from Japan, anyone here old enough to remember that from actual experience?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Was that the huge fund?

<rbrunner7> Huge fund?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> AI fund raised by the Japanese guy

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Ages ago

<rbrunner7> Doesn't ring a bell right now

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> AI is different

<rbrunner7> "It's different this time".

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Softbank

<rbrunner7> Right

<rbrunner7> But was that really ages ago?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> They've been around a long time

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> The New Economy was just an investment bubble

<rbrunner7> I think of course it will be like with every bubble ever: Once it pops, the really good things will stay and bring us forward. Like, Amazon is a child of the New Economy boom and now one of the biggest companies on Earth. Almost everything else from that, not so much

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Yeah. Humanity tends to build grand edifices. Then raise them to the ground eg. Journalism, property, finance.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Common pattern

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Build'em up. Then knock'em down...

<rbrunner7> LLM code generation can be quite spectacular if the LLM ingested tons of similar code, and can adapt it on the fly for your purpose. "Give me code for an Android app that does this and this". Easy, it has ingested source code of thousands of such apps. The Monero codebase is not really unique, but awfully special in comparison [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/94uklckKSmxVQmU3 ]

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: Hmmm...it's still prone to some of the same Common security vulnerabilities in other codebases though? Remember Git spotted that PHP bug in every repo. Nuri-something?

<rbrunner7> I do think it would be an interesting experiment to let an LLM loose on the Monero codebase looking for any problems, security or otherwise, and then with an sceptical and expert eye have a good look at the result. What is definitely not a good idea is to just flood the project directly with the output of this experiment. Just [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_qy0lckKNDh5Zy1D ]

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: Agreed.

is anyone gonna talk about the possible copyright infringment of LLMs?

it literally feels like copyright laundering

<rbrunner7> What is "copyright"?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The opposite of copywrong

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And the sister to copyleft

wine refuses you from contributing if you've seen microsoft's source code

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rbrunner7: Isnt that what happens when ai slop reports hit hackerone

because they're afraid that the code you'll write will look similar to theirs

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> There are lamps built for this purpose. Probably packed with Kali. Pen-testing maybe.

<rbrunner7> Yes, there were reports from a number of open source projects that there is a danger they will drown in such AI generated reports

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ie, ai finds 1000001 different vulns, and 1000000 of them are false

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Were still waiting for that needle in the haystack valid ai report

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Github itself has codescanning etc

imagine

if the thing that AI models are doing is legal, wine wouldn't be refusing people who seen the source code to windows

<rbrunner7> If dozens, if not hundreds of billions of USD are in play, concepts like "legal" get quite a bit fuzzy :)

<321bob321> keepassxc.org/blog/2025-11-09-about-keepassxcs-code-quality-control

<321bob321> I posted this in offtopic

<321bob321> Talsk about contribution

<321bob321> Talks

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Yeah. But is it copyright infringement if code is only 'based' on other code? Its the sincerest form of flattery after all.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Also, as an AI is not a natural person, it can't claim copyright over what it itself creates.

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> There was a famous copyright case about a photo taken by a gorilla. In the end copyright couldn't be claimed as a gorilla is not a 'natural person'.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What a bunch of mental gymnastics

it is a mish-mash of copyrighted code

to produce a code that's under the public domain

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "its not vibe coded and never will be"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "co-pilot commited entire directories full of rubbish"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> keepassxreboot/keepassxc #12588#issuecomment-3439154557 << literally vibe coding

<321bob321> Ai doesn't generate unique code ?

robbin_da_hood: will microsoft take the code that looks very similar to what they wrote in their OS as "flattery"?

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Cindy: Write, but who can they sue? The dev or OpenAI?

the dev behind the commit

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Might depend on the 'temperature' setting of the LLM?

i doubt wine will allow code generated from a LLM

because of its legally dubious source

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> So M$ will sue me for using code created by M$ Copilot? 😀 > <Cindy> robbin_da_hood: will microsoft take the code that looks very similar to what they wrote in their OS as "flattery"?

they're looking for any reason to sue wine over lol

<robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: I should sue them...

<eddie:oblak.be> On the AI finds vuln; if you ask "AI do you see vuln" , it will see vulns, even if there aren't

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<vtnerd> Does the rest API return the newest output or not? I need more info > <johny__> vtnerd 30min after doing the tx, 16 conf, blockheight +15 still unable to spend my funds

seriously

we get DNMs marketing their stuff here?

well, better DNMs than anything else

<fungible.:matrix.org> Cindy: not DNMs, but AI slop honeypot

<fungible.:matrix.org> example of AI slop that was targeted at me this morning:

<fungible.:matrix.org> trustlessness.eth.limo/general/2025…/11/11/the-trustless-manifesto.html

<fungible.:matrix.org> sent by someone that knows i like the cipherpunk manifestos and shits....