<pinchas:nope.chat> hello

<pinchas:nope.chat> i'm looking for spirobel and getting concerned

<pinchas:nope.chat> it's been over 2 weeks with no response in private dm, and i find this suspicious happening after he got death threats. has anyone seen any recent activity or heard if he's alright?

<pinchas:nope.chat> github.com/spirobel

<pinchas:nope.chat> no commits in a long time

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @pinchas:nope.chat: Sometimes, developers need to take a break

pinchas there where zero commits between end of july mid august so inactivity is not out of the ordinary

<pinchas:nope.chat> i know, but when you add the context of him not responding to dms from me or other people he's close with, it's worrying

<duckpondy:matrix.org> He's probably fine. Sometimes people burn out and need to take a break from everything

<pinchas:nope.chat> okay... i'm just asking if someone has seen spirobel. there's no need to be condescending

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pinchas:nope.chat: He posted on xwitter and then took a breaky

<lza_menace> crazy amounts of i2p nodes being added monero.fail/?chain=monero&network=mainnet&type=i2p - prob our friends at chainalysis

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> wild part is they have different downtimes

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @lza_menace: Weird af

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @lza_menace: I don't think Chainanal makes sense. As seen in that leaked video, they would host clearnet nodes to track IP addresses and connect that with other metadata they have

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> linkinglion, we know for fact runs i2p servers

<duckpondy:matrix.org> How is that useful for them?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> running i2p relays and nodes gives them potentially 2 or more hops

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you can track tor/i2p if you control all of the hops

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Running the nodes they can set their own hops to 0

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I'm pretty sure that's not possible with I2P, given how many nodes there are (more than Tor), and with Tor, they have trusted guard nodes to prevent that from happening

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So instead of 6 total, its only 3

<duckpondy:matrix.org> The probability of them controlling all hops is basically 0

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the monero node i2p can be set to 0 hops

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Meaning there are only 3 hops

<duckpondy:matrix.org> ☠️

<duckpondy:matrix.org> What is the default value?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Of those 3, there are probably 5000+ spy relays run by the same entity

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @duckpondy:matrix.org: 3in 3 out = 6 total

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you can reduce both sides to 0, to have a fast, encrypted tunnel, w/o privacy

<duckpondy:matrix.org> The best thing to do is host your own node anyway. I don't recommend using remote nodes at all, though I guess you could use one for the initial sync

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Apparently, you'll soon be able to torrent the chain, which will be cool to see

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, im just pointing out that a spy company that runs spynodes on xmr and btc, uses those exact same domaibs to run spy i2p relays

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It wouldnt make much sense to run i2p relays, and not also run nodes/exits, so they can monitor the payload

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Didn't 0xB10C suggest Dandelion++ to protect against this for BTC? Isn't that what Monero uses?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Dandelion doesnt work if you're sybilled

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also doesnt work if you dont have incoming connections

<duckpondy:matrix.org> But I remember 0xB10C proposing D++ specifically to address the LinkingLion issue

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It helps, for sure. But its not a fool-proof solution

<duckpondy:matrix.org> b10c.me/observations/06-linkinglion

<duckpondy:matrix.org> > A solution might be Dandelion (in particular, Dandelion++ or some modification of it), where transactions are first transmitted to another node, which then broadcasts it. Dandelion++ is beeing used in Monero since 2020. An implementation attempt in Bitcoin Core did not succeed primarily due to DoS and complexity concerns.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If you have real incoming connections and real outgoing connections, you have plausibly deny that you are the origin

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: If LinkingLion controls a majority of the nodes on the network, I guess that's where it doesn't work?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But lacking incoming connections = every stem you send will always be you as the origin

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @duckpondy:matrix.org: They do control the majority of the ips

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Right, so the nodes you host must be public to receive incoming connections?

<duckpondy:matrix.org> > Transaction broadcast over privacy networks like Tor is not affected if done correctly. A strategy is to broadcast a transaction to a node on the Tor network using a fresh connection and then close the connection right after. > <@duckpondy:matrix.org> b10c.me/observations/06-linkinglion

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and need to have good outgoing connections

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Does Monero automatically do this?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @duckpondy:matrix.org: No, we have tx-relay

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Tx-relay uses a diff circuit for each outgoing onion peer, and you can also fluff directly to all peers at once

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It doesnt drop connection as soon as tx is relayed

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> tx-relay adds plausible deniability to nodes that dont have incoming connections

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I was wondering: if you host an I2P/Tor node but don't have any real incoming or outgoing traffic, could it still be traced back to you?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Technicall anonymous-inbound

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Since you can have incoming stem phase txs via anonymous inbound

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Anonymous-inbound means that your node will still stem txs to clearnet, even if you have no incoming clearnet peers

<johnfoss68:matrix.org> FYI - themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-83

<goingwere:matrix.org> if some1 has a large amount of xmr recenly obtained what is a good way to cash out a family member died and i have inherited this

<dialectic_specialist:wired.rehab> crazy redaction 😂

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Maybe he found how to dump

<dialectic_specialist:wired.rehab> I would run some tests on retoswap and gain confidence in a process

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Room is on IRC. There is ton using bouncer that log, deletion is futile

<ravfx:xmr.mx> really depend of the location at the end

<shortwavesurfer2009> Okay #Monero community, time to put up or shut up.

<shortwavesurfer2009> I WILL be a customer if SOMEONE offers household items priced directly in Monero on #XMRBazaar.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Examples include[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/7YSYosoKV3IwQ0dt ]

<themisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> What is the delivery location?

v0.18.4.4 binaries are now available at getmonero.org

<duckpondy:matrix.org> binaryFate: Does this mean we can torrent the Monero blockchain?

you could... already do so in previous versions?

i mean blockchain syncing is P2P

<duckpondy:matrix.org> libroot.org/posts/getmoneroorg-will-soon-have-torrents

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Talking about this ^

that's for monero binaries

making torrents of the monero blockchain would be horribly inefficient

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Oops yeah used the wrong term

since torrents are meant to be immutable, you'd have to keep making new torrents at a interval to catch up

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Random insight: When people bring up Satoshi's ring signature post on bitcointalk, I always think of this email where he calls anonymity "shady"

<duckpondy:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/BsZPDAvxHfzwuyzEmpHHqeNT.png (a.png)

<duckpondy:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/TuozoMXufbcSGIDlaSQAKeBm.png (b.png)

"no central authority to take your ID info"

satoshi couldn't look to the future

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Regardless of who they were, Satoshi was clearly intelligent. They understood concepts like Tor and Bitcoin's privacy weaknesses long before Silk Road

i mean tbh

tor wasn't a new thing

and bitcoin's privacy weaknesses were well-understood back then

what if it was intentionally left that way because the fed is satoshi? and they used the real inventor behind it to make it just to ditch them leave em behind later?

i think BTC mixers existed back then

before silk road even

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Bitcoin Fog (first mixer) was released a few months after Silk Road

<duckpondy:matrix.org> jtrag: jtrag I don't think Satoshi was related to an intelligence agency. His reaction to a CIA talk given by another developer, Jeff Garzik, is the best evidence. When Garzik announced the talk in 2011, Satoshi himself replied saying it was the wrong kind of attention. An intelligence agent would not publicly criticize their [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_ezUp8oKMWRnWE92 ]

<duckpondy:matrix.org> He was likely just a talented cryptographer, similar to today's Monero contributors, who figured out how to improve eCash

that's before Gavin took over

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Cindy You were right about Tor. I didn't know it was this popular among early users

the "4 satoshis" lol pfft

<duckpondy:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lDDDRjWXcMfnLpLTHIdLyJac.png (image.png)

fucking feds

I feel so used

<duckpondy:matrix.org> The new Bitcoin Core may be suspicious, but Satoshi and early contributors like Hal were not

like a dirty slut that gets tossed out in the morning

:P

<duckpondy:matrix.org> It's alright, and feds aren't the worst, as they also help contribute and have resources to get a project going. Remember, we wouldn't have the internet without DARPA, Tor without the US Navy, or even cryptocurrency without the draft paper by the NSA and PQC with their standards. I think the criticisms are sometimes overstated, and we should have a balanced perspective

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I don't recommend going down the extremist path; it doesn't help a project grow. Have a healthy dose of skepticism

<terryfromthedead:electrologic.org> fuck glowniggers

My working on Monero is an answer to the panopticon extremism that I've seen creep up and up and up.

<terryfromthedead:electrologic.org> duckpondy is a glownigger. we run over glowniggers

<terryfromthedead:electrologic.org> destroy glowniggers. gtfo glownigger

<duckpondy:matrix.org> This is exactly what I mean

<terryfromthedead:electrologic.org> kys glownigger were going to dox you next

<terryfromthedead:electrologic.org> we know your moves glownigger

<terryfromthedead:electrologic.org> terry is always watching ‪✝︎✞

impostor back plowsof

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Only in Monero do you get to see this many schizophrenics

literally T R I G G E R E D

<angled:matrix.angled.rip> @duckpondy:matrix.org: Facebook comment sections

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Maybe there's a correlation between Facebook and Monero users you never know

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> Hey guys

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> I am a civilian that saw your conversation from the fed honeypot known as discord. But I had to chime in here for a second

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> duckpondy is a fucking glow nigger

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Please stop it

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> fuck you, fuck the IRS, fuck the us government, and fuck niggers

don't engage them, duckpondy

the impostor lives on this

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> @duckpondy:matrix.org: Stop what? You exposed yourself

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I'm not feeding trolls, so this is my last message. It's annoying and not funny. Make better use of your time by doing something productive rather than harassing people

This is what gets them off :)

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> That's fair. Stop preaching being moderate. Is so annoying and unproductive

<datahoarder> Pinged @plowsof:matrix.org already but yeah, it'll take a bit. Usual

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> The government will have you kill if you threaten their monopoly. We don't need more moderates like you

thanks

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> Look, I just came here to call out that extremely suspect opinion. I am not going to "harrass" anyone and I dont even want to participate in this discussion.

<angled:matrix.angled.rip> @alchemistaa:matrix.org: ok

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> plowsof: I can behave. Dont worry about me

<datahoarder> 10:52:43 <+br-m> alchemistaa:matrix.org fuck you, fuck the IRS, fuck the us government, and fuck niggers

<datahoarder> 10:52:14 <+br-m> alchemistaa:matrix.org duckpondy is a fucking glow nigger

<datahoarder> So why not behave according to the policies we have to follow due to being on Libera.Chat? libera.chat/policies

<datahoarder> > Both by our values and Swedish law, discrimination based on faith, ethnicity, sexual orientation, sex or gender expression, disability, or age is not permitted. Your personal values (e.g. religious, political, …) do not protect you if you participate in discrimination.

<datahoarder> > Inciting violence is not allowed. The same goes for any other behaviour meant to deliberately harass, alarm, or distress a person. We also do not tolerate libel and defamation.

<datahoarder> > While we believe in the concept of freedom of thought and freedom of expression, Libera.Chat does not operate on the basis of absolute freedom of speech, and we impose limitations based on the above rules.

<alchemistaa:matrix.org> @datahoarder: In all fairness to me, like I said I am not usually on matrix and my etiquette (or understanding of how these chats work) is zero. I was also very triggered by that federal agent casual "opinion"

<datahoarder> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/jibTEbQxlUzjfiXujJPHBAZB.png (image.png)

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Thanks plowsof

<datahoarder> was left typing. Thanks as well

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Oh wait, you're on Matrix too, datahoarder? I didn't know

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I thought you were only on IRC

I'm everywhere

This conversation is so funny with non-US context :D

<duckpondy:matrix.org> How do you have time for this with a job 😭

sadly I need mental challenges to sleep well so I end up in more esoteric places and projects over time

also. non-US :)

there's time, vacations, and time off work every day

also unrestrained autism

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Good point

when swapping with basicswap, it looks like by default it does create a new addresses (for both btc/xmr wallets), is that right? (also if there is a better place to ask that question, plesase let me know)

<plowsof:matrix.org> "I am not usually on matrix and my etiquette (or understanding of how these chats work) is zero" 😅

<duckpondy:matrix.org> jah: Yes, and it's fine to ask here, since BasicSwap doesn't have an IRC channel - only #basicswap:matrix.org

<duckpondy:matrix.org> ofrnxmr, who created the install script and works closely with the team, is the expert on BasicSwap. He can probably answer your questions when he's online. I've only done a few swaps myself, but I'll try my best to help

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: > I am a civilian that saw your conversation from the fed honeypot known as discord

<duckpondy:matrix.org> How are messages from Discord being read here? Is there a bridge I can look at?

there was a view-only bot added to offtopic yesterday... br-ds-geld <--- the cause of our troubles ?

thank you duckpondy

they said people were moving away due to being unjustly banned or something, so maybe that's why these people are coming from there?

afaik the current Discord set up more moderation to remain under the allowed policies and not get closed down

if it's one way (Matrix/IRC -> Discord only, they don't talk back) I can probably add that to my own bridge as a free extra, so it could stay under one bridge alone

ah thats likely then, also , if suddenly the messages here are being bridged since yesterday?

given I'm already setup as an appservice on monero.social

<duckpondy:matrix.org> plowsof: I'll see if they're violating any ToS and report accordingly. This behavior needs to stop

you are suddenly seeing plowsofs dumb messages in your discord and you can't insult him directly? thats terrible

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I've reported trolls on Discord before, and it's easy to get them banned without enough evidence

that's not a good Discord quality

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Libera and Matrix seem to be more lenient

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> glownigger do you want to start a war?

don't end up in flame wars with report waves

hahaha I think this might be the impostor

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> glownigger we will dox you and drive to your house and run over you glownigger

> electrologic.org

Open registration again electrologic.org/info/matrix

> It is expected by each user to following decent behaviour and not conduct illegal activities (Germany jurisdiction) on this server. That means it is not a space for racists, facists and all other assholes. If there are substantiated complaints about a user of this service, the user will be banned.

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> datahoarder stop supporting a glownigger

sad services like this get abused against the wishes of the owners

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> duckpondy is a fascist fed

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> kys glownigger

<duckpondy:matrix.org> @freealchemistaa:electrologic.org: What you're saying is illegal, and I'm collecting all of this as evidence. I'm not afraid to report you. Go ahead and try whatever you want. I don't care

I don't care about duckpondy or whatever I am just having fun with all of these times to ping plowsof :D

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> only glowniggers report fucking faggot sus glownigger

and sad how it ends up burdening others

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> we got your email duckpondy nigger your house address is next

<freealchemistaa:electrologic.org> notice the password resets? glowniggers arent immune to us

lets uh, separate for a second

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Is it possible to filter key words?

See /ignore, use -pattern

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Thank you

it could be auto-quiet pending moderator review :)

They listed a contact detail so I poked the owner of electrologic.org to tell them someone is abusing their open registration, for their own info, up to them what they want to do

plowsof: ban bans, but it doesn't kick them

<datahoarderfed:electrologic.org> datahoarder ill speak kindly

<datahoarderfed:electrologic.org> duckpondy is a strain of fed who tried to kill spirobel

<datahoarderfed:electrologic.org> stop supporting fascists and dont let these feds take over monero

thanks

<datahoarderfed:electrologic.org> be careful out there we have to be extreme because it weeds out the feds

temp defed for electrologic + discord view only bridge kick/ban

we have a few minutes to grab some refreshments and use the toilet before the action resumes

<duckpondy:matrix.org> We have spy nodes on Monero and spy nodes on Matrix

<datahoarder> > changed the server ACLs

<datahoarder> damn

<plowsof:matrix.org> let us know if the electrologic admin says hello 😅

<plowsof:matrix.org> there are some legit users although inactive, from the homeserver here so its temp ofc

<duckpondy:matrix.org> br-ds-geld is in 4 other rooms

<duckpondy:matrix.org> #monero-offtopic:monero.social, #monero-research-lounge:monero.social, #monero-research-lab:monero.social, and #monero-community:monero.social

otherwise duckpondy you did appear from nowhere

the puppet master doing some pen testing?

<duckpondy:matrix.org> What 😭

the defed broke the DMs with the admin plowsof :D

<duckpondy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: Would you be able to ask the admin if they have any identifiable information on these trolls?

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I'm curious to take a look

unable, and no. Feel free to do that, I'm no PI or similar. I go as far as their instance policies are concerned given they list them

literally DMs are broken

<duckpondy:matrix.org> What is the admin's account?

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Because this is illegal behavior, it needs to be taken seriously. I can message them myself

see electrologic.org/info/matrix

seems making an unencrypted room then inviting them worked

<duckpondy:matrix.org> They joined but are not responding to messages 😭

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literally I was the one getting the accounts that harassed spirobel off lol. Same threats as when putting github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 up

same entity as the threats back then to take that report off?

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<duckpondy:matrix.org> Doxxing, harassment, and violent threats - everything you've done is illegal, you know that? I have collected all this evidence, and once the electrologic admin provides your IP addresses and other metadata, you're done

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<duckpondy:matrix.org> You sound scared

so where is that tweet you promised long ago? Posted it yet?

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from electrologic.org admin > I only have an IP, it's the same guy with all three accounts.

get a life :D

<duckpondy:matrix.org> DataHoarder Can you send me the IP?

I do not have it, and I'd prefer to not act as a messenger :D

<duckpondy:matrix.org> If anyone has metadata, please send it to me. I am preparing a report for LE

<duckpondy:matrix.org> This doesn't seem to be a single individual trolling, but rather a coordinated group of harassers

there's some long term specific users that have this same pattern

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I've downloaded all the logs and compiled a list. They seem to coordinate from the unofficial Monero Discord server

<duckpondy:matrix.org> Using Discord was a big mistake on their part

<ity:itycodes.org> What did I walk on to

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Can't sleep, just parse the drama of the night!

<ity:itycodes.org> Oh no

sound less demanding to volunteer mods duckpondy. They are already doing quite prompt responses, maybe DM some if you have personal inquiries for that ^

it'd be the job of whoever is investigating your report to actually follow through to get that

<duckpondy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: Sorry, I'm just a bit angry. My name and home address were just doxxed

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I don't understand how you can be calm about this

it's another day of this user, they come in waves, try to push anything that attacks active users in the platform

I don't know if they got it correct or not, for me it's not that hard to find, they have tried to do this several times

<duckpondy:matrix.org> I've also barely slept. I'm going to take a quick nap and, hopefully, can figure out what to do with a fresher mind

<duckpondy:matrix.org> DataHoarder: I don't think this can be one user, because from the logs, they've doxxed Monero contributors like kayaba recently and random people in minutes. It doesn't look like it, and from the amount of alts I have on my list, I doubt it. They're most likely coordinated script kiddies, and they've made a big mistake

They don't even know if it's legit or not. Many times they have brought verifiable bogus doxxes :)

as I said, don't engage, don't give them a reaction

Act in the back, poke relevant people, carry on, they are not worth your time (unless you want to do a wider report)

<plowsof:matrix.org> DataHoarder thanks for contacting their admin, defed removed

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #basicswap on libera > <@duckpondy:matrix.org> Yes, and it's fine to ask here, since BasicSwap doesn't have an IRC channel - only #basicswap:matrix.org

what would be the correct channel to chat about monero mining?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #xmrmine:matrix.org

<reaster:matrix.reaster.dev> well guy last week i've sold most of my nvidia stocks and put them into xmr via haveno, let's see how it goes

crypto is not an investment tho.

Best investment would be into yourself. Learn a language or a useful skill. Get something for your health, like having your teeth properly cleaned or even fixed.

BlueyHealer good advice. Proper health: mental, spirtual, physical >>>>> everything

<quickfire5:matrix.org> Hello group!

<strategy6156:matrix.org> finance.yahoo.com/news/crypto-excha…confidentially-files-150814283.html

<strategy6156:matrix.org> hopefully wont delist us

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> Already been delisted for a while

<strategy6156:matrix.org> not on kraken

<strategy6156:matrix.org> in usa

<strategy6156:matrix.org> pro.kraken.com/app/trade/xmr-usd

<strategy6156:matrix.org> wired.com/story/bitcoin-scam-mining-as-service

<elongated:matrix.org> If they had any regulatory issues, they would have delisted before applying for ipo > <@strategy6156:matrix.org> hopefully wont delist us

<random_unknown12:matrix.org> Hey, anyone into equities trading/investing?

<fungible.:matrix.org> > <@pinchas:nope.chat> i'm looking for spirobel and getting concerned

<fungible.:matrix.org> pretty sure he doing alright, well, thought was him that joined with the "minecraft" account over a week ago or so, posted a github which i remembered from back then so assumed that was just him (then i was like "then i thought i got scammed lol" as a wink to him being called a scammer x)) but maybe am just wrong on that lol, idk

<fungible.:matrix.org> anyways, libera monerologs are offline or somethin, getting a 503 on it today, freenode ones from back then working still so idk what's up with that either

<strategy6156:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: Great take

<fungible.:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: just fix the monerologs u fucking retard

<fungible.:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: i been keeping newsletter updated (even earlier today) thanks to catching up on #monero-community that u just banned me on, i dont wanna have to deal with you retards so fix the logs or do the unban, literal retard stg

<ofrnxmr> Retarded kitten thinks plowsof runs monerologs

<fungible.:matrix.org> so unban then

<fungible.:matrix.org> he did the ban

<ofrnxmr> U were banned by banhammer on your other acct, supposed to be banned here too

<plowsof:matrix.org> i run monerologs and i hate p2p economy, sorry

<fungible.:matrix.org> since he too retarded to provide a fix for the logs

<matric3:matrix.org> Is it true that when we make a purchase with Monero or any other cryptocurrency that we're being taxed twice, once for capital gains tax and another time for the sales tax?

<fungible.:matrix.org> nah monero is for evading taxes, havent u heard?

<fungible.:matrix.org> evading taxes all day eryday up in this bitch

<elongated:matrix.org> @matric3:matrix.org: Talk to your financial advisor

<matric3:matrix.org> That seems completely unfair and it kind of is making me not want to use any cryptocurrencies anymore.

<shitpost1337:matrix.org> didn't the IRS have a bounty for tracking monero 🤣

<matric3:matrix.org> I was reading that apparently tax law sees cryptocurrency as property rather than currency. Therefore, they can justify taxing us for capital gains and for sales tax whenever we make a purchase.

<ofrnxmr> I don't think i'd report capital gains tax on spending monero. Its not kike you're selling it

<gan:skhron.org> 1 9 8 4 🧌

<gan:skhron.org> oh fuck

<gan:skhron.org> I hope it's not meowlnir

<gan:skhron.org> Otherwise, I've pinged every mod

<ofrnxmr> if my usd gains value, i dont pay taxes when i spend it at walmart. And with price of everything at walmart going up more than crypto, i think my crypto is at a loss, so what am i declaring

<matric3:matrix.org> Yeah, I didn't think so either, but I just spoke with a tax expert that said apparently it can be treated as property instead of currency, and therefore we have to pay capital gains tax as well as sales tax whenever we make a purchase, technically.

<gan:skhron.org> I forgot to remove the mention from the reply...

<ofrnxmr> @gan:skhron.org: It is

<gan:skhron.org> I'm sorry then

<gan:skhron.org> My stupid ass pinged every mod...

<matric3:matrix.org> Yeah, I guess that's because technically the US dollar is a currency and a cryptocurrency is treated as property in tax law. Straight bullshit if you ask me.

<ofrnxmr> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/tJXyCIPVdtGZjlosKJRBMYQU.jpg (image.jpeg_20240516151011.jpg)

<matric3:matrix.org> As if these government theives already don't have enough money.

<gan:skhron.org> anyway, I'd recommend to take a look at asgard.chat, in the case if morgstadt would go down again (CF incident)

<sushis:matrix.org> CF should be fixed tho, was literally just the code getting too bloated so temporary mistake on their end

<matric3:matrix.org> Haha! Thanks for the laugh!

<gan:skhron.org> @sushis:matrix.org: Morgstadt in general have instability

<sushis:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: yea i dont even know what morgstadt even is tbh

<sushis:matrix.org> any knowers what's the #monero-site room? or is it just not on matrix at all?

<kriek:matrix.org> I would like to buy some monero. I found haveno a little bit tricky. Anybody tries to use dfk swiss from cake wallet?

<sushis:matrix.org> try it and report back, heard good things about them since it's through the dfx.swiss integration that switzerland groceries stores can directly accept monero to buy groceries