<kriek:matrix.org> I don’t want to risk hahaha

<kriek:matrix.org> I used monero at the and and bought at 10% more then the price

<kriek:matrix.org> Someone make monero easy to buy please 🙏🙏🙏

<kriek:matrix.org> @kriek:matrix.org: Haveno I mean

<sushis:matrix.org> figured, with haveno mostly is the first trade that's the hardest to get around then it goes pretty smoothly afterward

<sushis:matrix.org> gratz on getting a succesful trade tbh!

<sushis:matrix.org> you could try to get lower fees coming forward tho, like, putting your own offer instead but might take a bit longer to get a match

<sushis:matrix.org> 10% if pretty big but am sure you could get a quick one for like 1% or 0% just by putting your own offer instead

<kriek:matrix.org> Now haveno failed the transaction

<sushis:matrix.org> oh wut

<oronuevo:nope.chat> Haveno being tricky is the understatement of the century > <@kriek:matrix.org> I would like to buy some monero. I found haveno a little bit tricky. Anybody tries to use dfk swiss from cake wallet?

<sushis:matrix.org> @kriek:matrix.org: would try again i guess, maybe 2nd time it wont fail x)

<oronuevo:nope.chat> Good haveno exists, but without some sort of normie friendly front-end interface, the chance is 0 of it doing any meaning volume. In my opinion

<kriek:matrix.org> @oronuevo:nope.chat: Yes it’s not user friendly as buying eth or btc

<kriek:matrix.org> I mean

<kriek:matrix.org> It’s a little bit tricky compared to that coin

<sushis:matrix.org> i mean, it still super slow cause its route traffic through the onion thing

<sushis:matrix.org> gotta wait all the time cause that whole 10blocks lock thing... UX is not ideal but it still does the job imo

<sushis:matrix.org> and those wait times not that much of a bother considering things like cash by mail that can take a week or 2 or more anyways

<sushis:matrix.org> and then when comparing to the whole hassle people would have to go on a CEX with the whole KYC thing, haveno still better UX and can complete a first trade way faster than if having to register on a CEX

<kriek:matrix.org> Yes right but the system it’s a little bit 2014

<kriek:matrix.org> Like the first operation I had with btc

<kriek:matrix.org> Tha means it’s the right direction

<kriek:matrix.org> But the usability it’s not the best one imo

<sushis:matrix.org> right, even monero itself is getting improvements so maybe in few more years it'll improve on that end too, hopefully

<oronuevo:nope.chat> @sushis:matrix.org: KYC process in CEXes are awful. Haveno's UX though gives it a run for it's money. My hunch is a good portion of Monero maxis (the sort that use Haveno) have a tech background to some degree so they dont mind the bad in Haveno too much.

<kriek:matrix.org> Yes you are right the cex are totally fucked

<oronuevo:nope.chat> For a good chunk of normal Monero users, Haveno is unusable in it's current form.

<kriek:matrix.org> You need to wait a week for buying some coin and declare all your financial infos

<oronuevo:nope.chat> @kriek:matrix.org: Yeah screw that

<kriek:matrix.org> @oronuevo:nope.chat: Is it new?

<oronuevo:nope.chat> I haven't used a CEX in a very long time

<oronuevo:nope.chat> Exactly for the reasons you highlighted

<oronuevo:nope.chat> @kriek:matrix.org: I think it's been out 1 year and some change but dont quote me on that

<kriek:matrix.org> Ok pretty new I thought it was made 2/3 years ago xD

<sushis:matrix.org> for new people they dont really have a baseline of what UX must be in the first place tho

<sushis:matrix.org> like, they dont really know what to expect anyways, they be like "oh that crypto thing must be like gotta do next level shits" and then, even the UX issues from haveno, sometimes is already better UX than what they thought it would be like

<oronuevo:nope.chat> Noob question but do we have the equivalent of a "meta-mask" like wallet in Monero? Where you can be in control of your keys but a front-end app to execute certain logic on your behalf

<kriek:matrix.org> Yes right but in all this chatting I didn’t buy it. My words are going to try to make something speedy

<kriek:matrix.org> @oronuevo:nope.chat: I use only cake wallet or stack wallet. I don’t know if it fit you

<kriek:matrix.org> When I create the offer to buy on haveno and I have my offer published it automatically do the trade or I need to accept and be online to accept the trade?

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> Have you already asked in the haveno channel?

<gzx:metropolis.nexus> #haveno:monero.social

<kriek:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: Didn’t know it exist :) thanks!

<suggy:unredacted.org> monerologs is suddenly offline, which I find suspicious given yesterday's activity. Did law enforcement take it down?

<larrycurl:matrix.org> What is the status of monero-oxide? Is it ready to use over the C++ impl?

<larrycurl:matrix.org> @suggy:unredacted.org: Oh you're right strange...

<larrycurl:matrix.org> @larrycurl:matrix.org: Is this the right place to ask, or should I direct all Rust + Monero queries to the Cuprate chat?

<larrycurl:matrix.org> Developers overlap between both projects

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Oxide is rust, and c++ devs (for the most part) arent working on it @ all

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate has the selection of devs who are working on oxide

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> cuprate space and group*

<sushis:matrix.org> so i guess since offtopic been hijacked by ofrn with #monero:monero.social topics instead of actual #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<sushis:matrix.org> then #monero:monero.social is now the offtopic room x)

<sushis:matrix.org> thats some cringe ass psyop stg lmao

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You're a special sorta idiot

<larrycurl:matrix.org> How do I block someone on Matrix?

<larrycurl:matrix.org> Is there a command?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This isnt offtopic room, take your shitposting elsewhere

<larrycurl:matrix.org> !block sushis

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @larrycurl:matrix.org: just right click block

<larrycurl:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: It only has an option to report on my client

<larrycurl:matrix.org> I figured it out /ignore is the command

<sushis:matrix.org> smh, nvm, they back to spamming offtopic with #monero:monero.social shits

<sushis:matrix.org> moderation is so shit up in here x)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ikr? For some reason you're on account #5 and still talking

<sushis:matrix.org> jfc, guess u failed at math again right here....

<sushis:matrix.org> #7, including the ones u kept the dms from for all these years x)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> spacekitty69420

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> sk420

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Retired

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fungible

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Sushis[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/yaeAyMoKSUVGZm5p ]

<sushis:matrix.org> u missed the ones u kept the dms from for all this years like some creepy ex that cant move on with his life

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Im not counting your 5y/o accounts, im counting since youve been banned

<sushis:matrix.org> why?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, you're all my ex's

<sushis:matrix.org> that's what i said at first, that u prob not a fed but just some frustrated dumbass, literally said that before even saying you a fed or some shit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you lost me

<sushis:matrix.org> who the fuck even shills doxxing multis in a "privacy" community?

<sushis:matrix.org> that's fucked up, that's creepy, that's very glowie shit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you might enjoy leaving and rejoining the same room 14 times an hour, but i cant be bothered

<sushis:matrix.org> wat

<sushis:matrix.org> wtf does that have to do with shilling doxxing multis/alt accounts?

<sushis:matrix.org> the fuck u even on about

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> was a response to this > <@sushis:matrix.org> that's what i said at first, that u prob not a fed but just some frustrated dumbass, literally said that before even saying you a fed or some shit

<oronuevo:nope.chat> Someone is doxxing people?

<oronuevo:nope.chat> Feds

<oronuevo:nope.chat> Yikes

<sushis:matrix.org> ofrn been doxxing devs on the project, inlucing someone that currently still have a ccs waiting to be merged

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Kitty has been banned on 4 diff accounts, and this is her 5th. She claims im doxxing because the whole world knows its the same person

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @sushis:matrix.org: who?

<sushis:matrix.org> because it's a bullshit ban reason and you know it

<sushis:matrix.org> ooo

<larrycurl:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Everyone

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ooo isnt written anywhere on the ccs

<larrycurl:matrix.org> All the recent doxxing was you

<sushis:matrix.org> how the fuck was i aware of all of his alt accounts in the first place? because you doxxed him

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Who's the one DoXxiNg MultiS

<sushis:matrix.org> you

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Tf? Everyone knows who it is you fucktard

<sushis:matrix.org> you kept doxxing him afterward on different accounts while i was there

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> His diff acounts were the same name with a 123 1234 1234567 on the end. r u cooked

<sushis:matrix.org> nov 4th or something like that

<oronuevo:nope.chat> I got doxxed by the Twinklevoss twins at a twin twink party

<sushis:matrix.org> tf x)

<larrycurl:matrix.org> @oronuevo:nope.chat: glownigger

<larrycurl:matrix.org> > With the Winklevoss twins. Or so they said. I trust nothing. Even though everyone verified their identity, I believe they are clones, and are part of a CIA conspiracy to get me to divulge my secret knowledge of the crypto space. Trust no-one.

<larrycurl:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WzokDgXAuhNAQNIFzyzdyqHT.png (image.png)

<strategy6156:matrix.org> Can someone explain in simple terms the benefit of Monero-Oxide?

<strategy6156:matrix.org> github.com/monero-oxide/monero-oxide

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Makes it easier to integrate Monero when building Rust based applications. Like wallets built in Rust, DEXes (like Serai), or anything else for Monero

<strategy6156:matrix.org> ah gotcha

<strategy6156:matrix.org> So the C++ repo is the main repo but there's a secondary repo for building out the ecosystem?

<sushis:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/eDkiVhIHUaPngdfDRMsLDfpp.png (image.png)

<sushis:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: can u stop banning me from rooms am not even on? it's spamming my shit for no reason

meanwhile you are spamming the dev channel :(

<plowsof:matrix.org> the spam is reciprocal, good to know

<sushis:matrix.org> forgot editing reposts the message in your outdated boomer irc hipster side

no, the problem is offtopic in dev

<sushis:matrix.org> did tell them to go over #monero instead

<sushis:matrix.org> even tried to ping them here and quote their message from monero-dev to monero but wasnt here so....

good

<plowsof:matrix.org> i've invited hulk sayon hogan

<sushis:matrix.org> there u go...

<0007sayon:matrix.org> Tracking such a security level is almost impossible, for example, if our device is compromised by a virus infection, then any wallet can be hacked, but this wallet, like the monero wallet, will create a security environment as soon as it is installed on a mobile or desktop. For example, as soon as the wallet is opened, this se [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/0KSn2coKMG91bDFR ]

<0007sayon:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: Thank you brother

<0007sayon:matrix.org> @0007sayon:matrix.org: We can enable security features that make tracking almost impossible.

I use the CLI and the password is never shown, not even the length of the password

<0007sayon:matrix.org> I'm talking about software wallets.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Pixnapping

<0007sayon:matrix.org> We can make this coin accessible to the people of the world and make its privacy very difficult so that if any hacker compromises the device in any way, this software cannot be compromised, so that no money can be compromised, we can move the projects forward.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> At least yeah normally the password dont show (other than the lenght)

CLI is not hardware wallet. also "bios" can see everything, quite the rabbit hole

CLI is not a harware wallet

ravfx CLI doesn't show length, no idea about other wallets

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Is it even possible to have better software wallet? I mean if you want better security you can get hardware wallet so there more things to compromise.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And wallet like Anonero so your hardware wallet is a second offline phone.

<sushis:matrix.org> or sidekick.monerujo.app

<0007sayon:matrix.org> For example, if you install monero on your mobile phone or computer, this monero will immediately create a kind of security environment on your mobile or computer. It may take a minute. The secure environment will be secure from the keyboard to typing. Suppose you have some kind of virus installed, such as malware rat. This vi [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/pfTB2coKU3JiT3RC ]

<sushis:matrix.org> oh, like some browsers have those, chrome and whatnot that compartmentalize some shits or somethin

<0007sayon:matrix.org> What I mean is that hardware wallets have strong security, but software wallets cannot provide as much strong security as hardware wallets. If we want, we can make the use of Monero wallet easier with effort, so that ordinary people in the world can use them. I also know that it is very powerful. To use it, you need to know ho [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/h4TN2coKMF82dkpU ]

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @sushis:matrix.org: Yeah, and its possible to break from outside. Its designed to prevent whats inside to hurt you

<sushis:matrix.org> imo cant really make "everything perfect and secure" on that either, making the users to require doing less things is what making them becoming complacent and end up dumb mistakes down the lines

<sushis:matrix.org> like, as much as you can make something safe and secure, user error will still be a thing regardless imo

<sushis:matrix.org> cool idea tho, if an implementation like that can be done without too much hassle and bloat, then sure why not you know

<sushis:matrix.org> sounds like a lot of work tho lol

<sushis:matrix.org> people already too busy rn

<0007sayon:matrix.org> We will try to enable any security features where software wallets can compete with Hardwell wallets.

<sushis:matrix.org> so like, if compartmentalization is not directly integrated into the software

<sushis:matrix.org> then it's to the user to have single use devices and doing it themselves than the software itself doing it

<0007sayon:matrix.org> Human security features can be added as an extra layer of security such as security questions etc.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @0007sayon:matrix.org: Is that even possible, I mean if a lower level is compromised?

<sushis:matrix.org> dont think so, is a hardware issue at this point, that i dont think could be fixed with software

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @0007sayon:matrix.org: Dont forget humans have a tendency of not remembering password and messing or not writing down there seed. Adding extra anoyance will make that worst

<sushis:matrix.org> like there's been some attacks that invovled bundling videogames anticheats, not because the anticheat itself was being malicious but because it was easier to use gain access to those lower levels, if some videogamer as a wallet, no matter the amount of compartmentalization software wise is being made, the hardware is the issue here

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And it wont protect more agains a system compromise

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @sushis:matrix.org: Also sometime, games you download have malware bundled. Even if you did not get it on the high sea

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I Anonero still a thing?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Repo seam dead since over 2 years... That cant be?!?

<0007sayon:matrix.org> Imagine a house inside a big bank. You can enter the bank but you can't take any money. Just like that, you can compromise the device with some kind of virus but you can't give any information from that software wallet. Such a system should be made. There is a very secure hardware wallet. It is very difficult to hack. But we c [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/0-yK2soKc2hnVWFD ]

<0007sayon:matrix.org> Imagine a house inside a big bank. You can enter the bank but you can't take any money. Just like that, you can compromise the device with some kind of virus but you can't give any information from that software wallet. Such a system should be made. There is a very secure hardware wallet. It is very difficult to hack. But we c [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_5SO2soKRzZlRWdk ]

<sushis:matrix.org> tbh if is not work being done directly for the CLI (or GUI even) then i dont really care

<sushis:matrix.org> too many of these side projects, alternative wallets stop being maintained

<sushis:matrix.org> even on the hardware wallets, with for example fcmp++ upgrade, they gotta change their thing, support is being dropped all the time cause too much all over the places with those side projects

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The only way bank app seam to have managed to self protect, is to deny liberared devices (rom without google spyware, rooted phones, etc)... Because once malware have root there is no real protection agains that

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And even secure enclave are getting owned