<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> Hi, do I need to verify to start using the monero gui wallet? the instructions are unclear and I don't think it will even be possible for me. I need it if I want to use P2Pool mining.

<ofrnxmr> Its not strictly necessary

<ofrnxmr> You don't need GUI for p2pool

<ofrnxmr> gupax or gupaxx might be easier

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> I'm just trying to do it based off of the monero website but it is extremely opaque. I am going to just assume it's been verified on the terminal but I really am not sure.

anyone wanna do business or needs help? dm me !

no, specially in webchat (you will disconnect and not be reachable)

> I am going to just assume it's been verified on the terminal but I really am not sure.

what do you mean verified?

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> I wanted to verify my download of the gui wallet. There is the pgp thing, the hash raw button, binaryfate...in the end I just went ahead and opened the wallet. There were two different files in downloads I just chose one of them randomly. They both had the same name but one of them had gui added so I extracted that one. No idea what's going on tbh.

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> Next I guess I wait for it to synch and then I try to mine with P2Pool. Not sure how that will go. Will have to verify something again but won't know how.

checksums (hashes) is usually what you verify

same are listed on P2Pool page

as said, gupaxx bundles these all in one (monero, p2pool, etc.)

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> I found a video from something that looked like it was from monero but it used gtkhash instead so that was all the more confusing.

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> Okay thanks.

I recommend gupax on p2pool.observer but gupax has today been transferred to gupaxx creator (who maintained the project)

depending on hashrate, you probably want to go with nano or mini. There's also P2Pool specific rooms on #p2pool-log and #p2pool-mini

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> Okay thanks. I'm just going to do it through this monero gui wallet. I don't know what those other ones even are and would like to keep it simple.

you can move onto those later

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> okay thanks

note mining via monero GUI will be sub-optimal (its miner is not as performant) but should get you properly tested up

But really, if you want P2Pool help there's those two rooms I linked. It's where we mainly sit

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> Okay good to know. Yeah I just want to get it going and then look into the possibilities. Thanks.

<victor5577:matrix.org> What's the most efficient way of cashing out Monero, keeping the privacy in mind?

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> verifying the pgp is what ended up going off the rails for me

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> At a certain point I pasted a command in the terminal that wasn't recognized. Eventually I abandoned and proceeded to verification even though I had no idea what was going on, whether my pgp thing was valid and safe. So for all I know I will be using something that is not what it is supposed to be.

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> I mean I am supposed to have the pgp keys to verify but I was basically unable to verify the keys themselves.

the keys themselves are not verified by someone else, so you can add them to the explicit trust to verify (or add them to keychain)

PGP as usual is ... convoluted :)

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> Yeah I mean I guess I thought the community should know that there are newbies out there doing this who have not been able to figure out whether they are doing it properly. Hopefully that doesn't undermine the privacy and other goals for monero in general.

sadly to verify something (properly with PGP) you have to go via that pain, otherwise you end up with something along the chain untrusted

hashes are also provided directly, if you trust the hashes are correct, verifying these is vastly easier

<torir:matrix.org> Is there a behavior difference between monerod --proxy 127.0.0.1:9050 and monerod --proxy 127.0.0.1:9050 --tx-proxy tor,127.0.0.1:9050,10?

<torir:matrix.org> My reading of the source code suggests there is.

<torir:matrix.org> As in, transaction relaying of outgoing transactions is done differently between the two.

<torir:matrix.org> In particular, in the first case monerod treats the proxy as the public zone and sends a peer id, if my reading of the code is correct, but in the second case it will make additional Tor connections in order to send outgoing transactions.

Tx proxy only sends txs there and indeed broadcasts (assumes private)

<ofrnxmr> --proxy sends traffic to a socks proxy

<ofrnxmr> --tx-proxy sends txs which originate on your rpc, to a hidden service

<torir:matrix.org> Which is the better option to use for someone wanting to use Tor only (to conceal Monero from their ISP)?

<ofrnxmr> Both

<ofrnxmr> At the same time

<torir:matrix.org> Can github.com/monero-project/monero/bl…b/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md be updated to say that?

<ofrnxmr> You'll need --proxy to conceal usage from isp

<ofrnxmr> @torir:matrix.org: Its under usage heading

<ofrnxmr> And under hidden services

<ofrnxmr> > Hidden services - onion and I2P domains - are available to use for transaction broadcasts. You may use the below options with or without --proxy.

<torir:matrix.org> It's not clear whether --proxy is enough though--I went through it trying to find a configuration recommendation that completely avoided clearnet and it wasn't clear whether --proxy was enough or if --tx-proxy was necessary.

<torir:matrix.org> My dig through the source code showed that when using --proxy it treats the proxy as the public zone but not as an anonymity network.

<torir:matrix.org> My understanding is that it would send all your traffic through the proxy but not take the measures such as not including peer id that are done when relaying transactions with TX proxy.

<torir:matrix.org> *and sending specifically to hidden services

<ofrnxmr> It is enough > <@torir:matrix.org> It's not clear whether --proxy is enough though--I went through it trying to find a configuration recommendation that completely avoided clearnet and it wasn't clear whether --proxy was enough or if --tx-proxy was necessary.

<ofrnxmr> @torir:matrix.org: right

<torir:matrix.org> That was not clear to me at all until I read through the code.

<ofrnxmr> --proxy is non-specific. It can be a vpn, tor, or any other socks proxy that can reach clearnet

<torir:matrix.org> I identified four configurations that users might want: clearnet only, clearnet+tor/i2p+incoming connections over tor/i2p, tor/i2p-only with no incoming connections, and tor/i2p with incoming connections.

<ofrnxmr> tx-proxy=tor,.. txproxy=i2p,.. is specific to hidden services on the specified network

<torir:matrix.org> The monero node won't attempt to connect to hidden services unless those are specified, right?

<ofrnxmr> You cant have incoming block sync connections over tor or i2p

<ofrnxmr> @torir:matrix.org: correct

<ofrnxmr> 1. clearnet only

<ofrnxmr> 2. clearnet+tor/i2p+incoming connections over tor/i2p = you can have clearnet block sync + tor & i2p tx-proxy & tor + i2p anonymous-inbound

<ofrnxmr> 3. tor/i2p-only with no incoming connections = --proxy for tor, and optionally add tx-proxy for i2p and/or tor

<ofrnxmr> 4. tor/i2p with incoming connections. = --proxy for tor, and add tx-proxy for tor and/or i2p, and add anonymous-inbound for tor and/or i2p

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> My attempt at a monero gui to mine has been frustrated because I thought I was pruned but possibly wasn't and tried to start over because the wallet kept disconnecting. After closing the wallet, typing in a bunch of things intended to delete the blockchain data and starting over with a prune command in the start up flag settin [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2f-y5c4KSGNqU3VH ]

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> Would've been nice if there were instructions that were properly written somewhere.

<monerobull:matrix.org> @xmrhelp2025:matrix.org: go to gupax.io and mine with that

<monerobull:matrix.org> the simplest and cleanest solution

<xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> thanks. is that equally private and efficient? can I mine in P2Pool?

<321bob321> monero.town/post/7051147

when did monero.town block tor exit nodes

this is dumb

<321bob321> Cloudflare ?

yes

<plowsof:matrix.org> if you read all documentation, top to bottom, you eyes glance over the config file and its comments docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-systemd/#monerod-config , then the tor/i2p section makes sense

but i doubt this is cloudflare's fault, i only see the "sorry, you've been blocked" page when it's from an explicit rule that the webmaster made

<monerobull:matrix.org> getting ddosed for over a year > <Cindy> when did monero.town block tor exit nodes

<monerobull:matrix.org> via tor exit nodes

monerobull: then make a onion service

and then block exit nodes on clear web

tor has PoW defenses built-in for onion services

<gan:skhron.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: Huh, how?

<plowsof:matrix.org> thats the systemd guide also, you want this one docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-tori2p/#node-configuration

<monerobull:matrix.org> lemmy does not fuck with tor

I wonder how this PoW compares to Anubis in effectiveness.

it's a LOT more effective than anubis

<monerobull:matrix.org> another reason why i wanted to move to nostr

<gan:skhron.org> I suspect it was another case of TCP SYN flood, it's very difficult to DDOS from Tor

it uses EquiX, rather than hashcash

which means the cost of DDoSing is not near zero

I wonder if similar defenses can e adapted for clearnet then

EquiX is pretty hard to implement on the clear web performantly

i mean it's possible but it takes a lot of work

like making a WebAssembly JIT for the underlying hash algorithm

<monerobull:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: youtube.com/watch?v=3ITELFOzSUE

monerobull: seriously, try hosting a onion service version of the service with PoW enabled

while keeping tor blocked on clear web

<gan:skhron.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: Sounds like lemmy is either improperly caches the pages, or the reverse proxy wasn't properly configured to be honest

<monerobull:matrix.org> i tried it before but gave up because the internal lemmy proxy setup is super confusing

<monerobull:matrix.org> there are like 4 different nginx configs

<gan:skhron.org> it's not even 50 RPS

<monerobull:matrix.org> there was no reverse proxy before

<gan:skhron.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: insanity

BlueyHealer: also btw in Tor's PoW, whoever takes the most effort gets to have more priority than those who took less effort

<gan:skhron.org> even not haproxy...

in anubis, it's pretty static, the server gives you a predefined challenge difficulty

<monerobull:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: i did NOT know what i was doing back when i first set it up

Cindy, is the "effort" some setting in the browser you can change?

<monerobull:matrix.org> ran fine for a year or two and then got the ddos

<torir:matrix.org> Only 250 requests per second? Is Lemmy just really unoptimized or did they find an expensive endpoint to hit?

Didn't know it wasn't binary!

tor has an algorithm to choose the best effort

it'll solve at the server's "recommended" effort, but if that doesn't work, it'll go higher i think

to get a better spot

<gan:skhron.org> oh, fuck I haven't loaded the description on that video

torir: they are hitting the front page of the site

<gan:skhron.org> 250 RPS is kinda too little indeed

<torir:matrix.org> So just Lemmy being unoptimized, or a low-spec VPS?

<gan:skhron.org> Git forges get a lot more requests because of bullshit generators

i'm surprised that lemmy doesn't cache

<torir:matrix.org> I can definitely believe Lemmy would be that unoptimized though.

<monerobull:matrix.org> the vps did hold up but the lemmy frontend would crash

<monerobull:matrix.org> the backend was fine

what was the error

<gan:skhron.org> Cindy: It's a reasonable assumption that the server will be running behind a proxy to be fair

but even services like mediawiki support memcached

for the sake of caching database results in memory, and reducing backend load for cases like this

<torir:matrix.org> I use a proxy just to get easier to configure HTTPS.

<torir:matrix.org> Most modern websites use reverse proxy magic.

<gan:skhron.org> Cindy: Mediawiki is less static than lemmy, so that makes more sense

<monerobull:matrix.org> Cindy: its been quite some time, dont remember

09:38:45 <br-m> <monerobull:matrix.org> @xmrhelp2025:matrix.org: go to gupax.io and mine with that

gupaxx is the new one

09:46:07 <br-m> <xmrhelp2025:matrix.org> thanks. is that equally private and efficient? can I mine in P2Pool?

Gupaxx runs p2pool / monero for you

DataHoarder: p2pool needs its own memory for randomX right?

in addition to xmrig

yes, unless you use no randomx, but that requires monerod to use it

you can have p2pool in light mode

xmrig full mode for mining

<monerobull:matrix.org> for some reason gupaxx ran horribly last time i tried it

00:02:33 <@DataHoarder> reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1pbphkx/gupax_ownership_transfer

00:02:40 <@DataHoarder> "Gupax ownership transfer"

Is anyone else's node going crazy? Seeing mine lag behind 40 plus blocks and can't catch up no matter if I pop blocks or anything else...

2025-12-03 16:23:53.920 I SYNCHRONIZATION started

2025-12-03 16:23:54.115 I [193.233.112.30:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind]

2025-12-03 16:23:54.115 I SYNCHRONIZATION started

2025-12-03 16:23:54.255 I [65.21.227.114:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind]

2025-12-03 16:23:54.255 I SYNCHRONIZATION started

2025-12-03 16:23:54.755 I [208.118.222.8:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind]

2025-12-03 16:23:54.755 I SYNCHRONIZATION started

2025-12-03 16:23:55.115 I [65.21.227.114:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind]

2025-12-03 16:23:55.115 I SYNCHRONIZATION started

2025-12-03 16:23:55.162 I Host 65.21.227.114 blocked.

2025-12-03 16:23:55.287 I [81.187.135.103:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind]

Running latest monerod build

try turning it off and on again

no problem here

<ofrnxmr> set_log 2 would help debug it, but you can just restart the node if you dont feel like debugging

<victor5577:matrix.org> Hi

<victor5577:matrix.org> I need 200 - 300 Monero

nothing helped. Deleted blockchain and syncing from scratch

why always asking @victor5577:matrix.org

no one is going to give them to you

make a monero bounty or proposal if it's monero related

<victor5577:matrix.org> DataHoarder: Sorry.. Just in need of money

"yes I need $150000"

<gan:skhron.org> > Hi

<gan:skhron.org> > I need money

<gan:skhron.org> usually never a good sign

<victor5577:matrix.org> DataHoarder: How?

<gan:skhron.org> @victor5577:matrix.org: Get a job, that's the easy fix

you will probably get removed from this channel if you continue tbh

you can get some testnet XMR here if you so desire faucet.xmr.pt

worthless, but ""XMR""

<ofrnxmr> Too late, already removed :(

<ofrnxmr> @gan:skhron.org: Lmao this shows as a reply to plowsof

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/aarDpdSGReRwasjxwCVRzXVj.png (share_3807096486761827299.png)

thank you for the advice DataHoarder, i will try that instead

<gan:skhron.org> > Message deleted by plowsof

<gan:skhron.org> in my case

always same person too

sorry for begging again

guys

can i get tenfiddy

<eddie:oblak.be> can someone lend me some zcash? i'll pay it back, you can trust me

🤨

<johnjenkinss:unredacted.org> zcash is crazy

zcash is boring

<johnjenkinss:unredacted.org> preach