<milas900:matrix.org> What is private swap on baltex

<monerobull:matrix.org> a scam

<milas900:matrix.org> Monero enhances privacy through Private Swaps on Baltex, ensuring anonymous transactions by obfuscating deposit and payout links

<milas900:matrix.org> What’s that ?

milas900: a scam, monero is not affilated with baltex

in any way or shape or form

<milas900:matrix.org> It’s in the news in coinmarketcap aggregator

do you honestly believe everything in shitcoin news?

they aren't even real news, they just make shit up and have bias towards what they write about

wikipedia blacklists crypto news sites for a reason, it's mostly heavily biased and factually incorrect for the sake of price hype

<pcre> shorturl.at/504E2 <- is this ok to mine Monero?

okay if you get rid of windows

it's pretty not bad

<pcre> I would install MX-Linux

that CPU is known for 66KH/s in randomX benchmarks

<milas900:matrix.org> So where to read news lol

it's 71th place

<pcre> Oh nice. Never owned a threadripper CPU.

<pcre> Maybe i can sell the graphikcard.

why not build your own PC at that point

<pcre> I haven't found a site where you can assemble or build a Threadripper. Or do you have any tips for a good consumer CPU for mining?

me neither lol

you need decent memory and the price of that is now prohibitive due to the appetite of AI

<pcre> Is 64 GB insufficient for 32 cores?

1 dimm for each channel

total is not important

<pcre> You're right, I made the incorrect assumption that it was 2 x 32 GB.

<pcre> This thing must have cost 2,500–3,000 Euro five years ago. As a small office server. I would hope that they installed the two memory modules.

<pcre> It is refurbished.

<pcre> Probably installed a new version of Windows and dusted off a few things.

<bienzito:nope.chat> Is it okay to advertise here?

<bienzito:nope.chat> Wanted to say that I sell all kinds of gift cards for XMR/Monero

<bienzito:nope.chat> Steam, Amazon, you name it

bienzito: where do you source these giftcards

<octagonsupreme:matrix.org> How to avoid being scammed when exchanging Monero for a gift card?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cross your fingers and hope the gift card isnt swept immediately after transferring it

<bienzito:nope.chat> Cindy_: Combination of online and offline purchases. If one would want ultimate anonymity, I could be down to buy them offline with cash. But that would cost a little more

<monerobull:matrix.org> you should put up offers on retoswap

Are you talking about buying Monero? Missed the context.

<bienzito:nope.chat> @octagonsupreme:matrix.org: xmrbazaar.com/listing/zB2k

<bienzito:nope.chat> You can start with 5$ ones if you are don't trust seller

I just know that at least here, if you want crypto for cash, there would not only be the expected extra cost, but also the minimum amounts are RIDICULOUS. Like, I don't remember specifics, but that's in the THOUSANDS of dollars. So the money a lot of people don't even have in the first place, let alone for crypto.

Sorry, just wanted to rant, missed the context. LOL

also btw I wonder if XMRbazaar is ever getting rid of the slop banner, it's so sad that such a service has such a gross first impression :(

BlueyHealer: people of xmrbazaar are giant AI ass-kissers, i doubt that they'll get rid of it

I wish there was a slop-hostile (or at least slop-neutral) alternative then...

i wish too

<qu4nce:matrix.org> hi

<qu4nce:matrix.org> That’s why I ended up using localcoinswap > <BlueyHealer> I just know that at least here, if you want crypto for cash, there would not only be the expected extra cost, but also the minimum amounts are RIDICULOUS. Like, I don't remember specifics, but that's in the THOUSANDS of dollars. So the money a lot of people don't even have in the first place, let alone for crypto.

<monerobull:matrix.org> get outta here shill account

<qu4nce:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: Im not biased but ordered once from them and all went good

<monerobull:matrix.org> you also joined and your first message was shilling a service

<qu4nce:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org: I see how it looks but lowk just wanted to recommend it since I saw the message in the discord server with the same issue as I was facing (bisq having really high minimums for swaps) and decided to give a recommendation with what worked for me

<monerobull:matrix.org> ok

<qu4nce:matrix.org> If u don’t wanna use this service im sure there’s a bunch more that are privacy respecting where you don’t need to deposit 130€ for a swap

<monerobull:matrix.org> id recommend you to look into retoswap.com if minimums was the issue with bisq

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Thx

<monerobull:matrix.org> always decentralised > centralised

<monerobull:matrix.org> i cant wait for serai 😭

<monerobull:matrix.org> its going to be so great

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Do you think anything’s gonna happen to xmr in the near future?

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Some people say it will be taken off the eu exchanges by 2027, as well as p2p exchanges afterwards

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Not sure how true is this

<monerobull:matrix.org> uh

<monerobull:matrix.org> its already on 0 EU exchanges xD

<monerobull:matrix.org> we got atomic swaps, basicswapdex, retoswap, (soon) serai

<monerobull:matrix.org> by banning it you only make it more resilient

<monerobull:matrix.org> serai is the main thing though

<monerobull:matrix.org> once that is live, monero becomes truly unstoppable

<eddie:oblak.be> As far as I understand it, the EU is not going to ban Monero explicitly

<eddie:oblak.be> It will make it illegal for money transmitting businesses to handle coins that can not be traced

<monerobull:matrix.org> correct, they only ban it for VASPs

<eddie:oblak.be> which effectively makes monero off limits for them

<monerobull:matrix.org> and they dont name monero itself

<monerobull:matrix.org> they just name, checks notes, every single privacy feature monero uses

<eddie:oblak.be> but it is legal for any citizen to aqcuire and use monero

<eddie:oblak.be> mining will be still allowed

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Someone also said that transactions over 1000€ will have to be verified with a proof of identification

<monerobull:matrix.org> you can read their proposal, they literally call out RingCT, Ring signatures, stealth addresses, etc

<eddie:oblak.be> @qu4nce:matrix.org: that's already for years

<eddie:oblak.be> but the amount may vary

<qu4nce:matrix.org> How did they implement that

<eddie:oblak.be> this thing called banks

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Right

<eddie:oblak.be> enforcement happens through banks

<eddie:oblak.be> if you convince a car dealer to sell you a 10k car in cash, there's no way to enforce it

<qu4nce:matrix.org> But, isn’t it pretty easy to bypass?

<monerobull:matrix.org> it is

<eddie:oblak.be> but the car dealer will most likely not accept this, because he can't do much with that cash money

<monerobull:matrix.org> the bans are just to make accessing it harder

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Just don’t tell your bank, same like how some people do with taxes

<qu4nce:matrix.org> When using xmr

<eddie:oblak.be> it's perfectly fine to tell the bank you are using monero

<eddie:oblak.be> the bank will just say "good luck" and do nothing to help you

<eddie:oblak.be> i don't see why you would though

<eddie:oblak.be> the ban affects businesses not people

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Yeah true

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Like exchanges

<monerobull:matrix.org> they cant ban it outright because it looks really bad if you pass unenforceable laws

<eddie:oblak.be> Yes, under the new legislation exchanges are treated somewhat as banks

<eddie:oblak.be> as @monerobull:matrix.org , it's called a VASP

<monerobull:matrix.org> virtual asset service provider

<qu4nce:matrix.org> How does it affect p2p exchanges tho

<eddie:oblak.be> it doesn't

<monerobull:matrix.org> thats why we need decentralized exchanges

<qu4nce:matrix.org> If every transfer is to a different entity

<eddie:oblak.be> a pure p2p exchange is not a VASP, it's just you and me and some other guy

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Im glad

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Yeah

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The dealer has to report it > <@eddie:oblak.be> if you convince a car dealer to sell you a 10k car in cash, there's no way to enforce it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> A lot of used car dealers in usa accept cash > <@eddie:oblak.be> but the car dealer will most likely not accept this, because he can't do much with that cash money

<eddie:oblak.be> In Europe it is pretty much illegal

<eddie:oblak.be> above x thousand euro

<eddie:oblak.be> but between 2 persons (not businesses) there's no problem

<monerobull:matrix.org> yall ready for the digital euro :3

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> On the topic, MiCA regulations 76 made it that Kyc crypto asset service providers either drop anonymous currencies until June 26 or they drop the EU as a market and the big ones chose to drop the currencies. Soon we are non kyc, p2p and underground. I've read Google drops third party apps in 2027 not sure how true this is but it is getting tighter by the day

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Stuff like eurc exists

<eddie:oblak.be> and it is already perfectly legal digital EUR, afaik

<eddie:oblak.be> but I wouldn't trust it, to many smart contracts get hacked 5 min after deploy

<eddie:oblak.be> or 5 years..

<eddie:oblak.be> Also, any stablecoin that has a freeze function, I am not touching it

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Yeah

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> They are all creating digital panopticon via cbdc, don't touch anything related with money you can't afford to lose. The moment they become programmable by where to spend, where not, how much and in the end by what date it is gg

<strategy6156:matrix.org> FYI I am a boolberry whale who is dumping his bags. Everybody get out or you're gonna get rugged.

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> Accumulate because your children won't be able to

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Should I be hoarding xmr

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> As far as I can see it, idk how even a small home poker game can be run with cash being digital in 15 years

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> Xmr is the new cash

<eddie:oblak.be> @gentlemoose:matrix.org: hadn't thought about that, but it's a good point

<eddie:oblak.be> I also believe XMR will just become more popular due to all of this, because it will push more normies towards solutions.

<eddie:oblak.be> But on the same hand, the user experience of XMR will have to increase still, because people can hardly remember a four digit pin

<eddie:oblak.be> literally I see people failing to swipe a credit card

<eddie:oblak.be> I don't blame those people, don't get me wrong, it's just the way it is.

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> It is not a matter of popularity and price going up and usage. We don't need that. Mass debanking will deduct taxes straight away after income and with carbon sandwich being online, after full programmability we are full 1984 mode and from then on kids can't deposit in gambling sites or buy groceries from a grandma on the street let alone buy gold or btc without anyone knowing who they are

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> We just need a strong community

Eh, grannies are one of the major reasons cash isn't going extinct any time soon.

Also here it seems like economy is shifting more to cash as times become less stable...

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: As generation shift those born with a phone will do fine with that

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Until we have any.. 10 years max

IDK, at least here cash is only getting more popular as people get more paranoid

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> That's why UK, Canada and the EUssr will take care of that in a hurry

<eddie:oblak.be> @gentlemoose:matrix.org: I don't know. I hope so.

<eddie:oblak.be> BlueyHealer: I have a friend working in a bar. He's complaining the young kids don't even take a credit card with them anymore

<eddie:oblak.be> they try to swipe their phone on his counter

<eddie:oblak.be> he's a cash only bar..

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> By the way where I'm from I can deposit 3x the average monthly salary per day in cash via atm to my bank acc which changes to less than 1x before the bank asking source of funds.

<eddie:oblak.be> In my opinion using money became ridiculously complex and bloated while masking it as user friendly ness

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> Right now it doesn't even ask

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> It starts asking at 5x

<eddie:oblak.be> > It is not a matter of popularity and price going up and usage. We don't need that.

<eddie:oblak.be> We need usage, that's why there is a strong network effect. The price go up I agree is not needed, it's actually counter productive in a wway.

Also, even aside from the overall uneasiness... Mobile internet shutdowns exist, and now people are getting used to them. So there's always a possibility that your card will just not work in the worst moment.

<eddie:oblak.be> The irony of that is that the government here forbids large cash transactions, but on the same hand it recommends having some cash on hand for emergencies

nice

<eddie:oblak.be> But this government isn't the smartest.. It forbids you to run your solar panels off grid, but recommends you to have a battery radio in case of giant blackout

<eddie:oblak.be> I am not making this up

Is there evn an excuse for the solar panel ban? And how well is it enforced?

@eddie:oblak.be Spain? :D

<eddie:oblak.be> I don't know the excuse. And it's not really enforced I think.

<eddie:oblak.be> But people here are generally very obedient, they believe the government has their backs.

So is it the sale that's so regulated?

Is it, like, hard to get them?

<eddie:oblak.be> Yeah, I think if you have solar panels installed by a 3rd party, they will follow a script and not care much about what is actually the smartest way of installing it.

<eddie:oblak.be> But if you are a DIY person it's easy to get around it

Ah, nice! So how do you go about buying them then?

Are they still sold to consumers? If yes - why?

<eddie:oblak.be> I have no idea in practice, but I assume there's no problem buying them as a consumer

<eddie:oblak.be> Or you have them installed by a 3rd party and rewire them later

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> That's why I just bought sim router and examining mesh networks as we have to decentralise everything from signal to money > <BlueyHealer> Also, even aside from the overall uneasiness... Mobile internet shutdowns exist, and now people are getting used to them. So there's always a possibility that your card will just not work in the worst moment.

Ah, so you can install them, but while abiding by certain restrictions?

<eddie:oblak.be> most laws can be easily broken, but it's up to you then to bear the consequences if you get caught ...

<gentlemoose:matrix.org> Has anyone tried foldable solar panels? Does that stuff work

<victor5577:matrix.org> Hellooo

<victor5577:matrix.org> What's upp

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> nohello.net 😡

<victor5577:matrix.org> What?

<qu4nce:matrix.org> Hi

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @victor5577:matrix.org: must click the link, or ask chatgpt "what is nohello.net"

<victor5577:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Haha got it

<victor5577:matrix.org> Hiiii

hi

Cindy: hi

hi

how are you nioc

Cat is very happy with the Thanksgiving turkey so all is good :)

that's good

hope you are well

<victor5577:matrix.org> Guys do you know any millionaires

no

<qu4nce:matrix.org> No

<victor5577:matrix.org> Btw are there any real life Monero stores anywhere in the world? Who take Monero as payments

<bienzito:nope.chat> @victor5577:matrix.org: Nope

<bienzito:nope.chat> @victor5577:matrix.org: Probably

<victor5577:matrix.org> Even I've never heard of such

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> @victor5577:matrix.org: There is proxy store in Germany

<victor5577:matrix.org> Anyone up for opening a store with me in Dubai?

<buy_crypto:matrix.org> @victor5577:matrix.org: I can buy it from you 😀 paying in cash in Sweden

<eddie:oblak.be> I have a million shillings > <@victor5577:matrix.org> Guys do you know any millionaires

isn't everyone in Dubai a millionaire?

If you're to open a business anywhere - why in such an unsettling place full of slavery?..

<victor5577:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: Are they gold plated? 🧐

I was in the UAE and yes, slavery / indentured servants

<victor5577:matrix.org> nioc: 70% are wannabeees

yes, the gold is covered in blood

the blood of millions of sudaneses

I wouldn't want to visit not only because of the climate, but because it's so unsettling. Like, a lot of the places in the world are dystopian, but Dubai is like a cartoonosh embodiment.

they say it makes it worth more or something

0_o

<victor5577:matrix.org> Cindy: Free Sudan 🇸🇩

<victor5577:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Exactly

nothing like funding a terroristic paramilitary force that destroyed the airports to prevent people from leaving and also slaughtered, diddled tons of them

so that their economy gets destabilized to hell, and you can buy gold for mere cents! :D

dubai mind

<eddie:oblak.be> @victor5577:matrix.org: I am not going to places where alcohol is forbidden 🤡

<buy_crypto:matrix.org> Anyone selling XMR in Sweden?

<buy_crypto:matrix.org> I'm paying in Cash

lol

<victor5577:matrix.org> That's really sad, world pays attention for a while in the start, now they've forgotten > <Cindy> nothing like funding a terroristic paramilitary force that destroyed the airports to prevent people from leaving and also slaughtered, diddled tons of them

dubai is hypocritical

they have to be very halal while their thrones are stained with the blood of many innocents

<victor5577:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: They serve it to foreigners in certain places

<eddie:oblak.be> Which makes it even weirder

It's the extreme contrast that highlights this place in particular.

<victor5577:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: Ikr

<eddie:oblak.be> One of the best things going places is drinking local liquor with local people 😅

victor5577: maybe because they are also involved with making it worse

<victor5577:matrix.org> Cindy: They are far away from being halal

<victor5577:matrix.org> Cindy: The whole middle east leadership is

like for example, EU and UK has been funding the same group aswell

for "combatting irregular migration"

<victor5577:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: Haha that's impossible there 😅

to bring the issue up, means that they have to acknowledge the fact that they contributed to it

<eddie:oblak.be> It seems a problem of this era. Sending migrants from Asia to Africa.

so they just sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened

<eddie:oblak.be> It makes absolutely no sense, but it seems westerners have no issues with that

or is not happening at this moment

<victor5577:matrix.org> It's the elites controlling the game, everyone Wants a little bit of what's coming > <Cindy> like for example, EU and UK has been funding the same group aswell

eddie: asia to africa? i don't know where you get your news from

<victor5577:matrix.org> To stay in power they need to stick their fingers and grab whatever possible

victor5577: it's pure irony, they fund terrorist organizations for the purpose of "combatting illegal immigration"

which then causes more damage and more migrants

and then they repeat the whole process but much more crueler

<victor5577:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: Why would anyone migrate to Africa from Asia

<victor5577:matrix.org> Cindy: Exactly, it's a never ending circle

<pw:xmr.mx> This is #monero:monero.social

<eddie:oblak.be> @victor5577:matrix.org: US is had been sending afghans to rwanda

<eddie:oblak.be> that's asians to africa

<victor5577:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: What... Why?

<eddie:oblak.be> because afghanistan doesn't take their nationals back

<eddie:oblak.be> and they want to get rid of them anyway

<eddie:oblak.be> EU is organizing similar schemes

<victor5577:matrix.org> Crazy times

born a shitholer, always a shitholer

the politicians want you to know that

we're gonna be like elysium

<victor5577:matrix.org> Are we allowed to talk about this in this group? 😅

<eddie:oblak.be> hey, and the USA first lady, guess what, an immigrant

we can go to offtopic

<eddie:oblak.be> @eddie:oblak.be: so it's not about being from here or there, it's about having money or not.

it's about where you born ultimately

<victor5577:matrix.org> @eddie:oblak.be: It all comes down to, rich getting richer and keeping the poor poorer and as far as possible from them

the EU is no better

<eddie:oblak.be> they play it different

EU does it by proxy

<eddie:oblak.be> you will not see some govt agency raiding home depots

lol

<eddie:oblak.be> but we pay militias to keep unwanted poor people out

<victor5577:matrix.org> They play safe actually, they're the cunning one's, they hold one hand and cut the other

you should see EU countries' immigration detention centers

they are so terrible, they don't even let you film the inside

your phone has to have its camera physically removed

so you won't tell anyone what goes inside

<victor5577:matrix.org> It's like those concentration camps in China, no one knows what's going inside, but everyone knows that's there's something wrong happening

<eddie:oblak.be> Cindy: not surprised at all

they do this so they can pretend they care about human rights and all :P

it's very important to have bragging rights

<eddie:oblak.be> EU lost that right long ago :p

<eddie:oblak.be> you could say we're certainly as hypocritical like the ME leadership 😅

<elongated:matrix.org> @victor5577:matrix.org: They are dealing with those ppl as they should be, reeducation of those animals was needed

no empathy detected

<eddie:oblak.be> that escalated quickly 😂

<victor5577:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: Torturing kids and old people isn't re-education 🤡

<elongated:matrix.org> @victor5577:matrix.org: Get the fact right

imagine torturing people just because of where they came from

<victor5577:matrix.org> Irony that the ones that are torturing are the people who eat insects dogs and God knows what, they need re educating lol

<elongated:matrix.org> @victor5577:matrix.org: lol atleast their books don’t teach you to murder

how do you even know that they follow that

<victor5577:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: Don't get your knowledge from some stupid fake news peddling WhatsApp groups lol

we really did learn nothing from nazi germany :D

<elongated:matrix.org> Cindy: Search ugars

we just repeat the same mistakes

what am i supposed to see?

<victor5577:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: Uyghurs *

<elongated:matrix.org> @victor5577:matrix.org: Good

<elongated:matrix.org> Cindy: See which book they followed

oh no, they followed the wrong religion

therefore they need to be imprisoned, tortured and killed

literally no better than what you think them as

<elongated:matrix.org> Cindy: It’s a cult not a religion, a very violent one

you could call christianity the same thing

hell, any major religion

<eddie:oblak.be> are we talking about Westboro Baptist Church?

<elongated:matrix.org> Anyways too ofttopic for this group, going back to my cave

<eddie:oblak.be> When people start arguing religions I always have to think of South Park .. youtube.com/watch?v=jbNnsiP4Rhg

<victor5577:matrix.org> Guys dm me if anyone can send me 200-400 Monero

get in the line

lol