<kiersten5821:matrix.org> i'm not quite sure signal belongs in this list > <@pyratevevo:matrix.org> Now that I think about it more, I fully support this concept of pointing fingers at these supposed "privacy a friendly" service that pretend to be as such yet don't accept the actual privacy currency.

How so? Looked it up and the only crypto donation options are BTC, ETH and USDC. I don't even know about the last one but the first two have massive fees, why tf would you choose that even privacy aside

<yokoama:matrix.org> apps.apple.com/us/app/monero-gui-wallet-xmr/id6753956732 > <plowsof> Link? apps.apple.com/us/app/monero-wallet-xmr-crypto/id6757924910

<rbrunner7> When I looked at this now, it didn't advertise itself as a Monero wallet, but something totally different: "StreakUp Habit helps you build positive habits, stay consistent, and track your personal growth with ease. ..."

<rbrunner7> So name of the app and description don't match at all

<yokoama:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: its a seed stealing app

rbrunner7: Compromised Apple dev account

Either that or they initially published the app as that in order to subvert Apple review

Since I think Apple only reviews when you first publish the app, not everytime you change the name and icon

Also the screenshots don't match either

The developer website also doesn't match

I think it's a little too high effort to make an entire decoy website, so I'm leaning towards a compromised and/or sold Apple dev account

<rbrunner7> @yokoama:matrix.org: My question is, why would I download this app as a user? Purely based on the name of the app, not reading the app description at all?

The logo looks like a terrible knockoff

They could have just taken the SVG for the Monero logo on the official site, and I don't think there are any trademarks on the logo

Why would they bother design a crappy version of it?

Some people search "free monero wallet" or "best monero wallet 2026" and will use the first result without question

Depending on what the scam is , they generally need to make it look garbage / obvious so the victims who have a few brain cells are weeded out early

The gui wallet still links to streakuphabit.bond/#download , doesnt seem functional

<yokoama:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: users are retards, they see monero gui or monero in app name and try it; there are plenty of fools in crypto who dont understand monero & normal monero wallets are imppssible for them to understand . so they try every possible app with monero name

<yokoama:matrix.org> didnt fluffy or someone copyright monero word ? that should be used to take down these apps

<setvin:matrix.org> :3

<setvin:matrix.org> @yokoama:matrix.org: Those users must be RetardMaxxing

<setvin:matrix.org> This must be how quantum nuclear dust works

I'm pretty sure this word is considered a slur now.

<setvin:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Autism?

<setvin:matrix.org> I think its kind of like the N word its okay to say if you have it

<setvin:matrix.org> Im not a lawyer though

<setvin:matrix.org> Just an art student

The r-word.

Pretty sure that's almost as taboo as the n-word.

<gan:skhron.org> s/then/than/

<gan:skhron.org> Nope, not really, unless you hang out in totally puritan circles

<gan:skhron.org> at least, there's rationality behind not using racial derogatory terms, but for the term "retard", there's no rationality behind not using it, as everyone is seemingly fine with using the terms mentioned above

<gan:skhron.org> Well, no rationality as long as you're not avoiding saying any ableistic terms

<gan:skhron.org> That I could respect a bit more

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> BlueyHealer: On what planet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Anyway, setvin should be rebanned for ban evading

IDK, I've seen people really push back if someone casually used this word.

<gan:skhron.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Moon, after Trump would build a tower there 🧌

<gan:skhron.org> 🍿

<gan:skhron.org> I think you got stuck in 2014 - 2017

Trump I'd see as the one who doesn't mind any slurs, even the non-debatable ones though

<gan:skhron.org> some people do give a shit, but there's not much rationality behind it, therefore I personally don't care, also mind the fact, that I hang out in le leftist circles, and nobody fucking cares largely

ok

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> the list with pgp and the others not the shame list > <BlueyHealer> How so? Looked it up and the only crypto donation options are BTC, ETH and USDC. I don't even know about the last one but the first two have massive fees, why tf would you choose that even privacy aside

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> We still use them to describe different IQ ranges.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: I would run away from said people.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @kiersten5821:matrix.org: Why not ?

<intr:unredacted.org> Slur? I thought he spoke quite clearly > <BlueyHealer> I'm pretty sure this word is considered a slur now.

Trademark Moneri*

Monero*

It's a trademark, not a copyright

Has there been precedent for doing this?

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> the list with pgp and the others not the shame list <- what do you mean?

<setvin:matrix.org> Here we go. > <BlueyHealer> The r-word.

<setvin:matrix.org> Offended by everything, responsible for nothing.

<intr:unredacted.org> I think this is offtopic

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Happy belated 12 years.

<intr:unredacted.org> thanks

<gan:skhron.org> very offtopic in fact

<setvin:matrix.org> maybe a good time to reflect on how far we have come?

<setvin:matrix.org> You know, not everyone made it 12 years.

<gan:skhron.org> but seemingly not a lot of people care, so going with the flow seems alright

<intr:unredacted.org> I find fcmp++ to be much more worthy of celebration

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: What's the latest eta wen

<intr:unredacted.org> not gonna speak on that

<intr:unredacted.org> When It's Ready ™

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> ®

<setvin:matrix.org> Are there some obstacles preventing that/

<setvin:matrix.org> or just normal dev cycle?

<intr:unredacted.org> afaik they're awaiting more audits and some discussion revolving around Carrot features now that ukoehb is back

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Oh thats cool audits can be really tedious and time consuming

<intr:unredacted.org> indeed, and this is like round 3 or something

<setvin:matrix.org> There must be some areas of concern?

<setvin:matrix.org> I think red and blue make purple. My favorite color is black. And purple.

concern is that it is done correctly

after all it is people's money

also Cat's

<setvin:matrix.org> nioc: If anyone on this planet had a way to guarantee success, never mind I shouldn't speak on this topic. ;)

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: did you even read what i replied to?

<setvin:matrix.org> nioc: Im personally not worried about cats. They are breeding like crazy.

I didn't say cat, I said Cat

<setvin:matrix.org> My apologies for that misunderstanding.

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: because it's a bloated electron app that requires a phone number to sign up and doesn't belong with pgp, linux, etc

<setvin:matrix.org> Requiring a phone number to sign up seems excessive and certainly a choice. Not a choice I would make.

<intr:unredacted.org> are we talking about Signal? the worst part was the weird Mobilecoin bullshit

<intr:unredacted.org> if anything that alone should put them on a shame list for not having used Monero

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Signal is probably a military honey pot at this point. I will let you guess which military

kiersten5821, ah. I mean I just lost the context of the "first list" when closing the client, now get it. Also yeah, phone number and Electron are only part of my problems with it.

<setvin:matrix.org> I personally don't like Electron either. I think the native daemon should have all features a user needs.

<setvin:matrix.org> Seems like a design choice to exclude seed phrase in the bitcoin node

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> meh, the monero daemon doesn't handle keys either

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> maybe bitcoind shouldn't even handle keys

<setvin:matrix.org> It gives you something you can write down and save. I dont really care in what context.

<setvin:matrix.org> Bitcoin had HD recovery words, which they removed

Other very personal gripes I have with Signal is requiring specifically a smartphone to register (it can be bypassed with a cli app at least but that's not as well-known) and not giving an option to use an arbitrary Socks proxy instead of just Signal-specific ones.

<setvin:matrix.org> These are intentional design choices.

<setvin:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: I recently had some experiences and IMO matrix offers the best long term support

<setvin:matrix.org> Communication needs to be federated, not centralized

<setvin:matrix.org> Centralized communication is a socialist nightmare

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @intr:unredacted.org: This is the first round of audits for the implementation

<intr:unredacted.org> ironically Matrix is actually used by military organizations

Why do yiu mention socialism here?

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Nah, that couldn't be possible.

<setvin:matrix.org> I know that I am not affiliated with any military or police organizations.

I don't care about that but seen firsthand why decentralization is a must. Resilience is more important than even security at times.

<intr:unredacted.org> @setvin:matrix.org: element.io/en/case-studies/bundeswehr

<intr:unredacted.org> element.io/en/case-studies/nato

<intr:unredacted.org> element.io/en/sectors/defence

<intr:unredacted.org> etc

<intr:unredacted.org> they're very open about it because they get funding from it

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Those must be role play chat rooms

<intr:unredacted.org> they host their own servers for internal communications

<setvin:matrix.org> Is that why they scan my ID when I buy beer?

<setvin:matrix.org> I got some Warm Beer at Aldis today, reminds me of my friend Otto.

<gan:skhron.org> Yup that's true, Morg also received funds from the U.S's army

<intr:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ah so they're done with the math part?

<setvin:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: God at least they spend it on something other than cocaine

<gan:skhron.org> Yet they also failed to provide transparency reports for ~2 years, and complained about not receiving enough money too

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @intr:unredacted.org: Pretty sure

Do they have to SCAN your ID? I never had this happen, they only look at it. I'm buying wine, not checking into a hotel...

<intr:unredacted.org> @setvin:matrix.org: bold assumption

<setvin:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: They definitely need more money

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Sorry you're right, we have not liberated all the Cocaine from Cuba yet

So do they force the stores to retain the ID scans of whoever buys booze?

<setvin:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Depends on how weird the cashier finds you. In my case, usually very weird.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Offtopic

<setvin:matrix.org> I am answering questions, sorry.

<setvin:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 🫡🫡

<setvin:matrix.org> Thanks for being direct and autism accessible.

<setvin:matrix.org> I know autism awareness week is coming up soon.

<intr:unredacted.org> I see you're a clown

<setvin:matrix.org> I dont own any green clothes.

<intr:unredacted.org> funnier than rotten at least

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: I think he had some employment issues to deal with

<intr:unredacted.org> lmao

tbh if they tried to scan my ID, I'd rather go to a different store, that's not something where KYC like this is inevitable...

<setvin:matrix.org> Door dash has me learning table manners lately.

<setvin:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Yeah you can.

<setvin:matrix.org> Usually if the people know who you are, they wont do it

<setvin:matrix.org> the cashiers also feel uncomfortable scanning peoples IDs

<setvin:matrix.org> I really love providing monero outreach

<setvin:matrix.org> I think a lot of the business partners I know in my industry really could find great value in what Monero has to offer

I've never heard of a law forcing to retain IDs like that

<setvin:matrix.org> Seems like a good area to expand greatly

<setvin:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: We are building a very efficient police state.

<setvin:matrix.org> A model simulation. :)

I mean specifically for alcohol. That's not like buying a gun or a SIM.

<setvin:matrix.org> πάντα ἴδμεν

<setvin:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: You should come see the local population, will make more sense. They cannot even form a straight line without being commanded.

<setvin:matrix.org> Scanning your ID when you buy alcohol is going to be the least of people's concern - if I have my way.

<setvin:matrix.org> In my theoretical simulation, the state has so much data they know what you will do 12 days before you do it.

<intr:unredacted.org> It's even worse. They think they do, even if you weren't planning on doing anything

<intr:unredacted.org> their garbage systems make constant mistakes. Look at Flock

<setvin:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: God I know, door dash cant figure it out lately

<setvin:matrix.org> Maybe its all those grandmas who think they know how the world works

<setvin:matrix.org> Gosh, I would hate to be on the losing side of time thinking I can wait out a storm.

<setvin:matrix.org> 3693

get your cat off your keyboard lol

<setvin:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Hes very sneaky :3

I mean it's a joke about the random-ass numbers

<setvin:matrix.org> He never wants to cuddle, but hes always watching. Sorry, off topic.

<setvin:matrix.org> is there an off topic chat room? I seem to do that alot.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<setvin:matrix.org> 👍️

<setvin:matrix.org> I think any audit should go smoothly. I think we have a forensic autistic level audit.

<setvin:matrix.org> If no one disagrees with that, that means you can do as you wish. :)

<setvin:matrix.org> Also people should remember mental health can affect anyone at any time. Best not to overthink an audit!

<setvin:matrix.org> I work in the compliance department. I make sure the auditors are doing their jobs as expected. Please let me know if anyone has any outstanding viewpoints. Would love to hammer those issues out.

<setvin:matrix.org> Does that help everyone? Does that make things very clear?

<setvin:matrix.org> I hope so.

<setvin:matrix.org> I really hope so. Please dont be shy, now. Suddenly. Go on

<setvin:matrix.org> I dont want to be accused of spamming falsely because everyone refuses to engage with me. Would be a shame if that happened.

<setvin:matrix.org> I know Santa is probably tired of getting letters, he's probably going to have to make Christmas in July with all the feedback he has been getting lately.

<setvin:matrix.org> Is that fucking clear?

<setvin:matrix.org> Please, dont be a bird which is frightened by the bow string. Speak up.

<setvin:matrix.org> You plotting, conspiring flatbreads.

<kevino:tchncs.de> chill man

<setvin:matrix.org> Good, glad I am understood.

<kevino:tchncs.de> take break , its sunday

<setvin:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: Not possible. Spirits haunt me.

<setvin:matrix.org> Once they rest peacefully, I will be silent. Right now, I am haunted.

<setvin:matrix.org> Not only do spirits haunt me, the families of the fallen follow me. Stand against me at your own peril.

<setvin:matrix.org> Your laziness and lack of commitment disgusts me.

<setvin:matrix.org> Hope its clear. Get to work mopping the floors, peons. Ban me at your own peril.

<setvin:matrix.org> I dare you.

<setvin:matrix.org> Each time you act falsely, your spanking will be more great. You will learn.

is "schizo" an appropriate term to call someone?..

Probably would have been fine if y'know

Stopped himself from talking 15 messages ago

<imprevisto:matrix.org> on the internet, yes

Some people should practice self-restraint

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @kiersten5821:matrix.org: I specifically said the protocol, not the app itself.