<plaiwanone:matrix.org> .

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Good morning everyone

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> I have one question to the group

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Or two

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Can a disabled or special person or people in need

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Run a Monero public node

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Thank you sorry everyone

Depends on the disability, on the specialess and on the need.

can we see the 2nd question?

<demycode:mehdibekhtaoui.com> Can a disable person run a docker compose, buy a large enough disk and do the proper NAT routing ? If yea to all then I guess yes

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Nope.

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> The second one was out of question one or two decades ago.

Two decades ago, monero did not exist, so noone could run a node, so no disabled or special person or people in need could run one.

<kevino:tchncs.de> you don't need to do NAT routing necessarily

<kevino:tchncs.de> you could run it just like any other software on your computer. It would just require some space . 120gb atleast

<pw:xmr.mx> For starters you have the original Monfluo logo colors wrong at monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/monfluo-logos > <@user2570:unredacted.org> I don't think it is a classic customer-designer commercial case.

<pw:xmr.mx> Also I was wondering, why do you and 3 others feel the need for Monfluo to change it's logo design?

<pw:xmr.mx> I like the monochrome open shiny logo.. is this the same one that is used in Cake wallet? > <@user2570:unredacted.org> monerodc.codeberg.page/resources/logo

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: Yes, the current logo used in the latest app release is has a multi-color theme.

<user2570:unredacted.org> The monochrome version shown in the proposal under number 0 was approved by @anon_contributor_xmr:monero.social . The developer hasn't updated the app yet, and stated that most probably the logo number 3 (M signature concept) from the MDC proposal will be used in the next major Monfluo release.

<user2570:unredacted.org> MDC is clearly helpful in this case of Monfluo logo design.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: Exactly, Jaime3 (Cake Wallet), who is a member of MDC has shared the PNG shiny / glass / .. version and I have uploaded it for everyone to use. If you need the SVG please contact him.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @plowsof can you please respond to my DMs regarding Monero CCS and Bounties logo proposals?

<user2570:unredacted.org> I hope you are not too busy with fixing the CCS GitLab instance.

<user2570:unredacted.org> Both logos are already approved by 5 MDC designers.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/yNKVu_4KNUttdk02 ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: #3 is McFluo

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: I believe they are unwanted

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Lol yeah that's also what I had in mind😂

<pw:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: I like the cleanliness/crispness at jaim3.com

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: If so, the question is WHY?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Don't need a reason

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its like, if i ask a girl out and she says no. No means no

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> maybe she's just not interested

<user2570:unredacted.org> Btw I am waiting for your response too. Would please be so kind and respond regarding the proposed Monero Docs Icon? > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I believe they are unwanted

<user2570:unredacted.org> monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/docs-logos

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> NACK

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Sticking with the official icon

<user2570:unredacted.org> Comparing a date rejection by a girl with denying objectively proven Monero design improvements without a reason doesn't seem reasonable 🙁 > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its like, if i ask a girl out and she says no. No means no

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> moneromooo: So there is a grading for special people who can or cannot use Monero?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a generic reply

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre asking "can a disabled person cook food?"

<pw:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: Can I ask, how is it proven? Doesn't it all come down to the applications creator(s) taste?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Well, that depends. Are they limbless and bedridden?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Are they dyslexic? Are they color-blind?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Different disabilities have different limiting factors.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Are they mentally disabled? Physically? To what extent?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If they are disabled to the point where they cannot use a computer, then no. They cannot run a node

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: Great question.

<user2570:unredacted.org> I will send the proof shortly

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Proof of what?

<user2570:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: Oh sorry I misread the question. Thought you asked about MDC voting proof..

<user2570:unredacted.org> Im mean the fact that multiple independent professional MDC member designers voted in favor of both proposed logos and against the current state proves the point

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: Im mean the fact that multiple independent professional MDC member designers voted in favor of both proposed logos and against the current state proves the point

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The only point it proves is that the MDC members have different opinions. I like a lot of jaim3's coin designs for cake, including wownero. I do not like the monero one

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i actually dont like the monocolor stuff

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Don't worry, you are not the only one and such opinion is already considered

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> for somethibg that was already monocolor (ltc, btc, even eth), it looks good.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> wownero logo would look better with some yellow gradient, but doesnt look terrible in solid pink

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I am talking about the proposed Monero CCS and Bounties logos, not Monero Logo...

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Again such opinion is already considered.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: Plowsof isnt around right now to answer your questions (otherwise he'd have answered)

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ok thanks for the info🙏

<pw:xmr.mx> Are you a part of the core Monero dev/design team?

<pw:xmr.mx> Why is there the need to push a rebrand for Monero projects at your say so, now?

<pw:xmr.mx> What's been proven, to be an improvement by logo rebranding?

<pw:xmr.mx> Do you think logo change across the platform, is going to effect the price of XMR?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There is no core monero dev team

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or a core monero design team

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Oh thank you for the remark I don't have to explain now

<pw:xmr.mx> Well I know it's community based and people can chip in with things, idk how else to word it. I'm not the best with wording

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> official? Same answer. There is no official monero design team

<pw:xmr.mx> There's a close group of regular long term contributors tho yeah?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> gnuteardrops made a few of monero's release logos. Anhdres made monero-community logo. Diego designed the old and new websites

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: These remaining questions regarding the Monero logo will be answered in the upcoming proposal in detail.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pw:xmr.mx: No

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres no "group". Everybody is independent

<pw:xmr.mx> Ah right ok.

<pw:xmr.mx> You don't ask questions you don't get answers 😅

<user2570:unredacted.org> No worries everything will be well documented and transparent, just as expected.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pw:xmr.mx: Theres no obligation for anyone to chip in, and likewise no obligation for anyone to accept the contributions

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just because i think monfluo should have kept monerochan, doesnt mean acx has to accept my opinion

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: We had monerochan in Monfluo? I didn't know that

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it was there from day 0

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monfluo forked from mysu, and mysu always had a monerochan on the background

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/TzKKGfWSBGdUlqwAzluymmyT.png (share_1870610156892643773.png)

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Oh Mysu ok

<user2570:unredacted.org> I see

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monfluo had monerochan for a couple months or so, before removing it

<user2570:unredacted.org> Yes I actually forgot I have tested it with monerochan

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> I'm upset

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> About?

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Wait for it

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Sausage bread in the grocery store

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> You know

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so was your disability question answered to your satisfaction?

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> Sure

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> It's getting better over time

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What is?

<321bob321> Nioc where am I ?

<plaiwanone:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: The number of the beast

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the numbet of the beast is getting better? I wasnt aware that it changed

<321bob321> Nioc where am I ? <<>> on a small island

Look east.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> It used to be monerochan ?? Wish I was there. > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just because i think monfluo should have kept monerochan, doesnt mean acx has to accept my opinion

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> I do like the concept of having a design group.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Is monero.jobs logo made by this group as well ? It looks like it.

just as long as none of the design elements are AI

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Of course.

XMR exchange?

what kind of question is that?

Any decentralized XMR exchanges to recommend ?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> basicswapdex

crptzd: kycnot.me

thanks

np

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Thank you.

<user2570:unredacted.org> Yes monero.forum logo is an example of recent successful collaboration.

<user2570:unredacted.org> monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/forum-logos

<user2570:unredacted.org> BlueyHealer: ✅ No AI

<user2570:unredacted.org> I have built both websites with no AI.

<user2570:unredacted.org> monero.eco

<user2570:unredacted.org> monerodc.codeberg.page

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/reGAqxEpIfjTkumJXSvxezUG.png (01.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/otMPDiARzbybfSABpfLUkwno.png (02.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IVvkQSsxptiEkBOPYIrstbRx.png (03.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/RqymNoAadIWpWqTCVIexeODw.png (04.png)

<pw:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: Is what you /your team do voluntary?

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nESJxRKhQywJhABToxAEJACm.png (05.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lnnmfsPBJietHIUMpRgJcnrm.png (06.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/SwgsaUUBiRiwNuzgEzPXGobc.png (07.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/imumLXhcCOADDfrCvnmnKwjS.png (08.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/vPArVconXsTakkVkKiySpeiW.png (09.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/eQMmHWdURSQPmUeQelFoWQKu.png (10.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KBpMLCwoouXYiVLAaktvmZeN.png (11.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/OhWlJpDofDeDsKcIRLwEqtLp.png (12.png)

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> Hey guis, here is photoalbum from monerochan's birthdays.. every year until today.

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> i guess the order of birthdays got messed up... but there they are! happy 12th birthday monero!

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> She is look like Sweetie Fox

<pw:xmr.mx> @facelessmanq:matrix.org: If you know you know

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> yup! look how she went from Sweetie Fox to running the world by 12th picture!

<xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> @pw:xmr.mx: TIL I learnt sweetie fox is not just a description but an actresses name! nevermind, she does not look like sweetie fox any more to me!

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> @xmrthrowaway:matrix.org: I apologize for this.

:)

<izegrim:matrix.dead.pw> so great album > <@xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/OhWlJpDofDeDsKcIRLwEqtLp.png (12.png)

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: Yes, my priority is to deliver design and other improvements for Monero projects, which have actual improvement potential.

<user2570:unredacted.org> I would appreciate a compensation for my work, but this is not my goal. Some Monero projects have understood this and were kind enough to compensate for the objectively proven value that have provided upfront.

<user2570:unredacted.org> By voting and discussing in the matrix room MDC member designers help to determine whether a change is needed or not and pick the best option of proposed designs.

<pw:xmr.mx> You can't really do things in your own time and at your own will and expect 'compensation' for it.

<pw:xmr.mx> Maybe go in for bounties and such that have a set pay out or as an alternative, have a donations page on your website?

<pw:xmr.mx> You keep mentioning your voluntary logo rebranding alongside, proven improvements but haven't shown how - yet keep pushing people to perhaps adopt one of your logos.

<pw:xmr.mx> Monero & monero based applications have done fine with the logos they have and I just can't comprehend how your pushed attempt at a logo rebrand, is going to do wonders for the Monero infrastructure

<user2570:unredacted.org> Please stop speculating.

<user2570:unredacted.org> I have already stated that a comprehensive proposal for the monero logo is yet to be published.

<pw:xmr.mx> Your ears are blind.

<pw:xmr.mx> Keep up the design stuff though, some of it does looks great.

<pw:xmr.mx> Just don't be so pushy and claim it's proven to add value but have yet to show how.

<pw:xmr.mx> And if you want to give your time and do things off the cuff, don't sit expecting payments.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: Have you tried making a CSS proposal ? And I mean for future work, not retroactive compensation, not really how it works...

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> never going to fly

<user2570:unredacted.org> Actuall designers like MDC members don't have the concerns you do, because they have seen the monero logo voting results.

<pw:xmr.mx> Logo voting results from 4 or 5 people.

<pw:xmr.mx> According to your codeberg pages

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Huh.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: My monero.eco CCS proposal has known flaws and will be corrected.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: a ccs proposal to make logos for various projects, is never going to fly.

<pw:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes it is. New logos have been proven to bring value to monero.

<pw:xmr.mx> So I guess.... To the moon? 🚀

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: No, the monero logo voting has obviously more

<pw:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: Cool

<user2570:unredacted.org> Please be patient and let me correct and publish things first

<user2570:unredacted.org> Again I don't have infinite time for speculations and endless discussions

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Most / all logos that monero uses, have been donated to monero. Including the latest release logo, community logo, etc.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> similarily, bounties.monero.social rejects bounties that arent pre-agreed upon by the upstream maintainers. A ccs to make logos for projects that havent agreed to accept them, isnt going to fly.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> a ccs to make logos for other projects also isnt going to fly - those projects should be funding their own commisions.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @pw:xmr.mx: I mean, sure it's not at all a priority but I do see value in such an idea.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Looking nice doesn't have to he associated with moonboy-ism.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Makes sense.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And a ccs to change monero branding, definitely isnt going to fly. Youd need community consensus on it all beforehand, not biased MDC consensus

<pw:xmr.mx> Damn /s pyrate..... /s

<pw:xmr.mx> sigh

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I have already told you @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx directly that I am providing CSS and Bounties logos for free and will exclude from the proposal

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: General monero rebranding is a way tougher sell for sure.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Yes I agree, that's exactly why it takes time to publish the comprehensive monero logo analysis

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: My response was to pyrate

<pw:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: Talk shit.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: Not to be close minded, but you're gonna have to do one helluva job to convince me of a new Monero logo. I bet many in the community would feel the same.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Perhaps your time can be directed elsewhere.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I have never stated that Monero logo analysis is part of a CCS proposal, because it obviously should not be.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Again, response was to pyrate

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ok, It's hard for me to address every valid and invalid claims at this speed.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yeah it won't work. It's going to have to be desired first, which I don't see any hint of that at all.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Not eyes are focused on such improvements, because not many designer want to risk their time

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> I still like the concept behind a design group, could bring cohesion and increase visibility quality in the ecosystem. I guess the best approach in my view is to just let the group be known in the community and individual projects can come and ask for a logo themselves, not the other way round.

<user2570:unredacted.org> My confidence is also based on feedback I received from actual designers

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: Just seems to me like an unnecessary wall to climb.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: The only problem with MDC currently is that it's member's only.

<user2570:unredacted.org> That's why I am sharing screenshots of votings

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Might be, might not

<user2570:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: Hopefully we can figure something out, like view only chat.

<pw:xmr.mx> Lulz

<user2570:unredacted.org> Btw I made a MDC Lounge which is public

<pw:xmr.mx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/vHaTsxGABpXNLcAWGCsxZBML.gif (tenor_gif2839519188240434915.gif)

<user2570:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: Otherwise the professional designer discussions, will become mess if people join and starts spamming.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: I wonder how monero-research-lab handles this /s

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yeah I was thinking about this too

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> unlike research topics, design is an opinionated field

<user2570:unredacted.org> How does MRL handle spam?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You cant have an opinion on whether 1+1=2, you can have an opinion on whether the monero orange should be changed to neon

<user2570:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: Are there moderators?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: People dont spam. Off-topic (non-research) discussions are redirected to their appropriate rooms

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: Yes, but typically only need to moderate when 500 people come from twitter to ddos work

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Believe it or not but a professional designer should be able to based on commonly recognized metrics, context, etc.

<user2570:unredacted.org> Of course design language is nowhere near math

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> A professional designer's opinion has zero weight when weighed against users wants

<user2570:unredacted.org> How do you measure what users want?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you ask them

<user2570:unredacted.org> That's the problem

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> I'm going to upload a video to YouTube where I say Monero a thousand times. I'm doing this voluntarily, you should pay me (!)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And for an old project like monero, the chance of there being any change is slim. Even the new website redesign was almost going to just be the same website but in astro

<pw:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: Cos you wouldn't listen anyways you mean.?

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Where? here?

<user2570:unredacted.org> It will be impossible to filter real votes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its far from impossible

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: You can get the ball rolling just from an initial reddit post. Sure you'd have to have an account there first....

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: thats how hammerman got the ball rolling on a website redesign, like 3 years ago

<user2570:unredacted.org> Ok it will not be impossible but it will become a mess that no one will want to clean filter

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ok it will not be impossible but it will become a mess that no one will want to clean filter

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> When's the redesigned website replacing the current one by the way ? What's the setback ?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably same time as fcmp launch

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Content, code review

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IUIBLKnPUYiExZRKVeKfJzMr.png (I created a design that only took 2 minutes. Hide this secret document from NASA. )

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> I want you to declare me the King of Monero.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @facelessmanq:matrix.org: Just show it to other designers and they will tel you what's wrong

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> It's not the 16th century, and you're trying to sound like Leonardo da Vinci for an undesirable design.

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/gaCJMJIOoPenLCeAOBxQsEGt.png (If the problem is the letter M, here's what I did. )

<user2570:unredacted.org> How do you know it's undesirable have you asked an opinion of other designs? Of course not.

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> My God, arguing with you is as exhausting as talking psychology to a mentally disabled child.

<user2570:unredacted.org> You don't even know what monero logo improvement proposal is planned to be published. Yet you are already blaming someone. This tells something about you

<user2570:unredacted.org> Again, please be patient.

<milas900:matrix.org> @facelessmanq:matrix.org: Looks good

<basses:matrix.org> how the hell no 1 has all votes? monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/forum-logos

<basses:matrix.org> docs logo looks better than AI generated one currently used

<basses:matrix.org> he's genuinely proposing a new logo for Monero?? I wouldn't tbh. > <@pyratevevo:matrix.org> Not to be close minded, but you're gonna have to do one helluva job to convince me of a new Monero logo. I bet many in the community would feel the same.

<basses:matrix.org> but im interested

<basses:matrix.org> the trend rn now is oversimplification, a single "M" probably will be the new logo, or a gradient version of the current one with a bit of modification

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> Nobody's going to chase after this ridiculous thing just to get your money.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @basses:matrix.org: Please ignore the Monero logo analysis and improvement proposal, because it's not published yet.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @basses:matrix.org: There is a risk involved with it. Few want to risk their time, which is understandble

<321bob321> Will monerod or GUI get a third party audit ?

<user2570:unredacted.org> @facelessmanq:matrix.org: I think there is a misunderstanding.

<user2570:unredacted.org> Again, I have never asked for money for the upcoming Monero Logo improvement proposal and will never do that.

<user2570:unredacted.org> My contributions to MDC are also not funded.

<user2570:unredacted.org> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/9MLry_4KakRHdUVH ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @321bob321: No

<user2570:unredacted.org> Simply because not every MDC member designer is active in the MDC matrix room at all time to vote. > <@basses:matrix.org> how the hell no 1 has all votes? monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/forum-logos

<user2570:unredacted.org> But I must say that so far all members have participated in votings for the Monero Logo analysis, which utilizes a comprehensive voting sheet which is far more detailed than compared to simple emoji reaction votings in a matrix room.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Cuprate is sort of an unofficial audit

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> What do you think of Decred?

<facelessmanq:matrix.org> Do you own any, or have you ever heard of them?

<basses:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: claude auditing skills is better than Syn

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> boog*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And i doubt it

<eddie:oblak.be> Opinion of one user here. Don't change the monero logo. It's a very strong, nice logo. On the level of marl boro, coca cola or mercedes > <@user2570:unredacted.org> How do you measure what users want?

<eddie:oblak.be> Its very hard to make it better, its easy to fuck it up

<eddie:oblak.be> A rebranding campaign is mostly very costly

<eddie:oblak.be> Just changing the logo for the sake of it makes no sense

<user2570:unredacted.org> You opinion will be considered of course

<user2570:unredacted.org> You are not the only one with such opinion

<eddie:oblak.be> Usually brands do a rebranding because they are going a new direction with the mission. Or because their current logo is bad

<eddie:oblak.be> Sometimes it's part of a damage control campaign

<eddie:oblak.be> Monero has none of these issues

<user2570:unredacted.org> I, as well as MDC member designers have been inversting their time for a long time so far, already more time than a classic commercial rebranding would take. > <@eddie:oblak.be> A rebranding campaign is mostly very costly

<eddie:oblak.be> Did you design the current logo?

<user2570:unredacted.org> @eddie:oblak.be: No, why would you ask this question?

<eddie:oblak.be> Because I don't mean costly in the sense of someone spending time tinkering on a new logo afaik nobody is asking for.

<eddie:oblak.be> Commercial corp rebranding campaigns cost millions, ...

<user2570:unredacted.org> @eddie:oblak.be: It't not just "someone".

<user2570:unredacted.org> Multiple logo options have been shared by diferent MDC designers.

<eddie:oblak.be> This agree with though. > <@pyratevevo:matrix.org> I still like the concept behind a design group, could bring cohesion and increase visibility quality in the ecosystem. I guess the best approach in my view is to just let the group be known in the community and individual projects can come and ask for a logo themselves, not the other way round.

<user2570:unredacted.org> The biggest problem of MDC is currently that the matrix room is not public. This has caused a lot of speculations

<eddie:oblak.be> @user2570:unredacted.org: Yeah, but maybe first do research whether a new logo is desirable, before you put in the effort. Might save some time that way

<user2570:unredacted.org> @eddie:oblak.be: No worries is will be considered too

<pw:xmr.mx> You constantly respond like everyone else is wrong. > <@user2570:unredacted.org> You opinion will be considered of course

<user2570:unredacted.org> How?

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: How?

<pw:xmr.mx> You don't listen so why ask.

<user2570:unredacted.org> @pw:xmr.mx: How would I know what you mean?

<user2570:unredacted.org> Can you be more specific?

<eddie:oblak.be> This sounds like some designers love to design (nothing wrong with that) but not realizing nobody is waiting for a new design... Like I'm creating a new design for coca cola without them asking for it, and then expecting them to go with it. > <@user2570:unredacted.org> The biggest problem of MDC is currently that the matrix room is not public. This has caused a lot of speculations

<pw:xmr.mx> You were knocked back 12 hours ago and still wouldn't accept it. Like it's your way or the high way

<eddie:oblak.be> That's not how the world works..

<pw:xmr.mx> You are not the correct spokes man for such a group.

<pw:xmr.mx> Suggestions, conversations, debates are all good but you just take in what's said unless it's from the group.

<user2570:unredacted.org> I still don't understand why you want to speculate about a proposal which is not published yet.

<pw:xmr.mx> Wrf see you on abour

<pw:xmr.mx> Wtf are you on about even. Sorry - spelling

<user2570:unredacted.org> My bad, continue speculating, without me.

<pw:xmr.mx> Oh the irony. 👏

<imprevisto:matrix.org> would be good as a perfume logo > <@facelessmanq:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/gaCJMJIOoPenLCeAOBxQsEGt.png (If the problem is the letter M, here's what I did. )

<imprevisto:matrix.org> essence of anonymity (sounds better than eau d'pizzaroll)

<imprevisto:matrix.org> (eau d'doritos)