<kiersten5821:matrix.org> that's how it works, tell people the machine with 5 oom improvement needed to do anything will be here in 3 years and everyone needs to switch to our new algorithm immediately!

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> although with monero it's more important to get resistance fast because of retroactive deanonymization of tx when they eventually build it 20 years from now, but not for other coins

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> V

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> Monero good

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> Quantum computers will quite simply never exist in any meaningful capacity. Post quantum crypto is solving a problem that doesn’t yet and won’t ever exist by magnifying CPU, RAM, and network requirements. IMO, better to do nothing in this case. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> what's the quantum-resistant "migration" plan of monero if any?

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> never is quite strong

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> Some things in life truly are that plainly simple though

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> As hatred outpouring into AI continues and people realize it will never be profitable and the bubble begins to pop people want to jump ship and throw their money at another ponzi hype cycle, this time it’s quantum.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconducting. You guys are fucking around wit [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/4PfPqIoLTjlyNFJ3 ]

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Someone woke up on wrong side of the bed.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> no shit

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I want something good for Monero

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s open source feel free to contribute.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Just talk doesn’t help 😀

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> open source = free work

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> it's plain stupid

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconduc [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ]

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> After trillions of dollars and decades, we’re nearing the limit of the physics aspect of it and the computers with high error rates can barely factor 2^12. We’re nowhere near an actual threat to modern cryptography. Even if it came to be, which it won’t and you’ll have tractor beams and warp drives before that happens, [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ]

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s not, if you don’t want to work; let others work

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I would help but your crowdfunding site REQUIRES everything to be on permissive license even when you work on it privately.

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> We have munitions that are very advanced and cost millions of dollars. Being authorized to ever use them even in the heat of battle is rare and usually you’re forced to use significantly cheaper lower tech things because of the associative cost.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> it's open source terrorism

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> telling you under what license the code can be on your computer

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> That’s how open source works

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> It’s kind of the point man

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> There are decades of legal issues it was meant to prevent

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> that's the point

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Bye

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> Mr Censorship in action be careful now

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> Then don’t release a binary. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Go to bed son

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> You can't argue with me about nothing, the only thing you can do is shifting to argument about Open Source because for you Open Source is what defined by opensource.org in Washington DC or where the fuck they are in the USA, corporate crackheads will tell you what is open source and then retards worldwide will repeat the same [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uefzqIoLU1FRcVdW ]

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> ccs.getmonero.org is pure TRASH saying at ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs : "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied."

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> "even as you work on it"

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> It’s been litigated for decades. It’s also the chief issue IMO about AI, beyond cost and inaccuracy, it doesn’t provide license and attribution to everything it’s been trained on to create your works which are also legally derivative works.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> it's like saying you must license the ABC printed in Rust immediately after you wrote it down so Monero can suck your blood

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I'm sure a patented solution would be MUCH better than using something shit from github.com to secure Monero you get rights that others don't

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I mean the entire Monero project (including its users), if all tokens/coins/blockchains implementing the exact same FREE NSA AUTHORED algorithms like what they planning now to use in Ethereum and Bitcoin then why should I use any cryptocurrency at all when I can develop my own INDEPENDENTLY FROM NSA/NIST?

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> Monero and Zcash has CRITICAL urgency and it MUST NOT use NIST/NSA algorithms.

<yushanren:matrix.org> No one should use self developed cryptography algorithms.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> all algorithms developed by someone aren't they?

Yes. And I won't use mine. Feel free to use mine though.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> -.-

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> very intelligent Sir

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> if someone develops an algorithm that is far better and stronger than any NIST algorithm (and China right now working on that), South Korea already have their own, I don't see why would need to release it under open source when can just license it to semiconductors instead

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> for billions of dollars

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> even the European Union want's independent non-NIST algorithms and investing heavily in that

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> what Monero is doing? Optimizing NSA algorithms because NIST give it for free which is hilarious!

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> the same thing happening in Bitcoin too

<yushanren:matrix.org> What is the source?

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> source for what?

<yushanren:matrix.org> China, South Korea and EU are developing their own cryptographic algorithms

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol can't you do your own research? maybe use DuckDuckGo instead of Google that pushing for American propaganda

<yushanren:matrix.org> This is rude talking with sources

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> omg man you claim I rude talking because I say "american propaganda" "NSA algorithms" and "BE FUCKING FREE FROM THEM"?

<yushanren:matrix.org> You should prove what you say.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> that's how I talk, I'm very direct and open

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> you should do your own research, takes like 2 minutes to open the browser

<321bob321> BBQ > <@yushanren:matrix.org> What is the source?

<tuw:matrix.org> does monero maintain supply auditability after FCMP?

<elongated:matrix.org> @tuw:matrix.org: Yes

<tuw:matrix.org> ok thanks

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I'm crying man, how stupid these western Monero trolls are, I born in the west too but I'm not a sucker of the US government and certainly I'm not advocating for implementing NSA approved and filtered and NIST published free crypto into Monero. It's hilariously stupid to think that Monero can survive without proper cryptograph [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/wfX5rIoLWC1BdTUt ]

<plowsof:matrix.org> pls dont cry

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> 😹

<yushanren:matrix.org> niccs.org.cn/niccs/Notice/pc/content/content_1937428197396713472.html

<pw:xmr.mx> daddy, is that really you?

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> yes Son

<pw:xmr.mx> 🥺 where have you been all this time? you said you were just going to the store for a newspaper and some milk 😢

<pw:xmr.mx> I hope your return with a bitmain x9.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I can meet you Son if you send me some Monero for the bus ticket

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> 🤣

<pw:xmr.mx> I can give you my seed phrase if it is easier?

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> DM it already

<pw:xmr.mx> daddy, left, mommy, and, me, long, ago, and, mommy, is, now, being, pimped, out, by, neighbour

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> anyway I have to go lol

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> see you around

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> LOL

<pw:xmr.mx> miss you daddy

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> +1 patchwork

<pw:xmr.mx> 😘

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> No gay things please

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> bye for now

<pw:xmr.mx> lol cya

<xmrusercz:matrix.org> 😂

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> 🌈🥵🥛

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> Aldi's have the best milk for sure

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> @xmrusercz:matrix.org: 🧧

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> It's like the gestapo over here > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> Mr Censorship in action be careful now

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> I had to give my parents birth information just to get access

<nikitarevenco:matrix.org> zflush

<aillia:matrix.org> XmrBazaar's hosting provider 1984.is has shut down the VPS without warning due to abuse tickets we NEVER received notifications for. We had NO chance to respond.

<aillia:matrix.org> Good news: All data is fully backed up and safe!

<aillia:matrix.org> Worst case, XmrBazaar will migrate to a new provider.

<aillia:matrix.org> xcancel.com/themerit0crat/status/2063270323097645156

<gan:skhron.org> > without warning due to abuse tickets we NEVER received notifications for. We had NO chance to respond.

<gan:skhron.org> From what I've seen, this is usually not the case, and sysops just don't read email for shit

<gan:skhron.org> Plus what the tickets are actually telling, was it because of CSAM complaints?

why not self host?

if you want a raid once a week, yw :P

<gan:skhron.org> Bunnyh: A risk of A) being DDOS'd to the oblivion B) getting a love letter from the ISP for hosting on probably non-commercial connection and getting the service terminated C) getting potentially raided and having a soldering iron up your ass if you're just an individual

+1

<gan:skhron.org> Outside of that, all of those hosters don't ask for personal information (and obviously their services could be paid with Monero), that's not the case with most colos, however some places in Germany don't ask for personal information from what I've heard and can take cash via mail

<aillia:matrix.org> same xcancel.com/themerit0crat/status/2063275665252577558 > <@gan:skhron.org> > without warning due to abuse tickets we NEVER received notifications for. We had NO chance to respond.

<aillia:matrix.org> ...but I asked Doug and Sunita multiple times, they confirmed there was no warning(s) (with screenshots).

<gan:skhron.org> @aillia:matrix.org: Can't they just published them, why somebody have to go out of their way to ask for screenshots? furthermore a small issue, emails could be deleted to hide one's incompetency

<gan:skhron.org> Nonetheless, I'll entertain the idea, but it's also important to stay skeptical too

<ofrnxmr> I swear nobody around here recommends 1984 bcuz they are fkd

<ofrnxmr> I dont recall exactly, but maybe something like revoking domains

<ofrnxmr> @rucknium:monero.social what happened to your domains and who were they registered with?

<gan:skhron.org> @ofrnxmr: I mean, you either have somewhat competent hosters like 1984, or have a swarm of WHMCS-based hosters with totally amateur operation

<gan:skhron.org> in my case, I didn't had too much luck with INCOGNET

<aillia:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: tmbk Rucknium's were registered with njalla, and njalla has a very, very bad track record of suspending accounts without notice

<ofrnxmr> Thats right, njalla is who i wad thinking of

<ofrnxmr> @gan:skhron.org: That email doesnt sound like a competent rep

<gan:skhron.org> @aillia:matrix.org: Only good use for Njalla is probably personal websites at most, otherwise, yeah, they're fairly trigger-happy

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Just get two vps

<ravfx:xmr.mx> One in a good officially approved provider

<ravfx:xmr.mx> One in russia

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Use postgresql duplication and a filesystem that do the same thing (I think there is glitterfs or something like that, don't quote me on this)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Get 3-4 vps in different location for your dns too, host them yourself.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/nPTquYoLUHJndE44 ]

<gan:skhron.org> @ofrnxmr: The email looks alright to me in general

<gan:skhron.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Described marketplace model of operating via exits with too many words :P

<gan:skhron.org> I much preferred my old Ukrainian hoster, UrDN, sadly the national police decided to raid it the final time

<gan:skhron.org> My current hosting provider is actually in this room :P

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I do self self host too, some stuff.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> but still require the VPS to do some VPN shenanigans to bypass CGNAT (ISP only have public ipv6 block)

<elongated:matrix.org> Just host it on a reliable provider, reverse proxy it via bulletproof providers; have failover dns set up.

<gan:skhron.org> @elongated:matrix.org: "bulletproof providers", I'd recommend to stop living in 2009

<ravfx:xmr.mx> At least if you reverse proxies, that prevent low level users from knowing where the server actually is and allow you to swap them with DNS when one is nuked, that's a minimum

<elongated:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: Haha I meant someone who doesn’t harass you; can be throwaway providers

<elongated:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: True, if you want to really hide then use .onion

<elongated:matrix.org> Who hosts thepiratebay?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @elongated:matrix.org: The point is to make the service more resilient and to proof it agains fake complains from low levels. .onion are cool but there is some bandwidth limitation and you force user to use tor when the service don't have to be on tor (but an extra tor/i2p entry point can be nice)

<elongated:matrix.org> PRQ

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Good question.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They do have a ton of proxies too

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I think everyone can be one of there proxy too

<elongated:matrix.org> Best to use geo located reverse proxies

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But proxy usage don't remove the need for a backup server with full replication, just in case

<gan:skhron.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Okay, c0mmando is a schizo that I'm inclined to believe a bit more

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Maybe 1984 just want to protect the kids!

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Riding the EU/UK wave or something

<intr:unredacted.org> 1984 hosting has always been politically motivated. Same with njalla.

<intr:unredacted.org> and by politically I mean they enforce their opinions

<intr:unredacted.org> they don't like your site or domain, it's gone

<gan:skhron.org> I don't care if they'd enforce their opinions, but would've preferred if they stated them more clearly

<gan:skhron.org> although 1984 states them in a remote way

<intr:unredacted.org> 1984.hosting/tos/#:~:text=lists%2E-,2,objectionable

<gan:skhron.org> > any materials or information that are, in the opinion of 1984 ehf., illegal, harmful or ethically objectionable.

<gan:skhron.org> that's very very vague

<gan:skhron.org> Their dislike of le Nozism is stated somewhere on the website "more directly"

<intr:unredacted.org> in deed.

<intr:unredacted.org> another thing you have to keep in mind, at least with their domains, is that they buy them for you. This means they own the domains, and they can take them away without reason

<intr:unredacted.org> Njalla is much the same

<gan:skhron.org> @intr:unredacted.org: This is a reality with any such proxy registrars, not that different than using GoDaddy or Namecheap

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Pretty much for all non ICANN accredited registrars

<gan:skhron.org> I assume that's understood by all people

<intr:unredacted.org> very bold assumption

<gan:skhron.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Well, untechnicals will receive what's coming upon them then 🚎

<intr:unredacted.org> even more vague is the "file sharing" part > <@gan:skhron.org> that's very very vague

<intr:unredacted.org> if I host a blog with images, am I sharing those files? yes. Is that really what they mean? probably not

<intr:unredacted.org> I actually use 1984 for my personal site lmfao

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But if they dont like you they can nuke your hosting

<ravfx:xmr.mx> For file sharing :)

<intr:unredacted.org> they can nuke it for poo poo pee pee if they wanted to

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Thats why you make vague TOS

<intr:unredacted.org> I doubt I'd have any legal ground to stand on even if they gave zero reason

<intr:unredacted.org> they don't have my details

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They dont give reason so you cant contest what vague clause they used agains you, normal practice

<ravfx:xmr.mx> They own it, they have all the legal right to nuke your vps

<intr:unredacted.org> indeed

<gan:skhron.org> File sharing as in "piracy" probably, why they didn't just went with copyright infringement that was already stated ibid - I don't fucking know > <@intr:unredacted.org> even more vague is the "file sharing" part

<sbt:nope.chat> it's insanely over priced > <@intr:unredacted.org> I actually use 1984 for my personal site lmfao

<intr:unredacted.org> yeah it is

<sbt:nope.chat> that and njal, both rip off

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @gan:skhron.org: So they can nuke your vps because you shared html file

<intr:unredacted.org> if you have a better alternative for offshore and xmr as payment, let me know

<intr:unredacted.org> @gan:skhron.org: Yes. Probably

<gan:skhron.org> @sbt:nope.chat: Eh, Freedom isn't priceless sadly

<ravfx:xmr.mx> For a while ihor.online did accept xmr , no idea if they still do

<intr:unredacted.org> I remember Orange Website too but they were even pricier

<sbt:nope.chat> @intr:unredacted.org: there are tons with xmr payments, I can think of datawagon for one. sign up over tor, doesn't need any kyc info, pay with xmr, cheap af vps

<gan:skhron.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Indeed, probably, the vaguest shit ever

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Ton of them use payment processor that accept the XMR yeah

<sbt:nope.chat> yea cryptomus is popular so u will most likely be able to pay with xmr

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Kyun and privex accept xmr directly (they deal with there payment themself)

<sbt:nope.chat> @sbt:nope.chat: datawagon.com/vps, only us locations tho

<intr:unredacted.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Kyun is a piece of shit

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Kyun is meh reliability.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Privex is a hetzner reseller, and there site/manager is minimal so you have to go thru support for any change

<intr:unredacted.org> highly unprofessional, and even their tor site requires js

<intr:unredacted.org> minimal is a funny way to describe it

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Us and Ro location is crap too

<intr:unredacted.org> the guys who run it are immature retards

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Minimal was directed to Privex, not know

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Kyun is the oposite of minimal lol

<gan:skhron.org> I use ihor still to this day, they still use a crypto payment processor that maybe could accept XMR, but I wouldn't recommend to use them as they're actively violating peering conditions by having their peer in the UK delegated as "educational" > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> For a while ihor.online did accept xmr , no idea if they still do

<intr:unredacted.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: ah, I was gonna say, lmao

<ravfx:xmr.mx> At least one can give them the credit to have made there own thing instead of using the normal thing (solusvm or something like that)

<sbt:nope.chat> cryptomus does a lot of fingerprinting for aml afaik

<sbt:nope.chat> still allows tor browser lol

<gan:skhron.org> yeah, had to deal with Nap, he's probably glowing as well, considering the regen'ing of the onions and a failure to update the canary one time > <@intr:unredacted.org> highly unprofessional, and even their tor site requires js

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Theyre two now that accept xmr, dont remember the name, one srart with a H

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Two new payment provider **

<intr:unredacted.org> @gan:skhron.org: also the people in his matrix server are the kinds of people I would stay far, far away from

<intr:unredacted.org> same with Hack Liberty

<intr:unredacted.org> matrix room* rather

<gan:skhron.org> @intr:unredacted.org: Schizo pseudo-"nazis" with quite big enjoyment for pedophilic arts and probably content, biowaste that frankly deserve that scene from American History X to be applied on them

<gan:skhron.org> yeah, very "lovely" people

<intr:unredacted.org> indeed I don't really blame 1984's decision

<gan:skhron.org> @sbt:nope.chat: Eh, probably still better than fully doxxing oneself to ICANN accredited registrars or hosters like Hetzner or NetCup

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: Not that I’m trying to come as a tankie here, but devil’s advocate, how do you when hosting and accepting xmr and no customer data, distance yourself from potentially illegal actions of your clientele ?

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> re: hosting

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> I like cockbox.org

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> "Cockbox: It Works"

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> accepts XMR btw lol.

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> damn, shoulda cockbox.org/shill ed

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> @jbabb:cypherstack.com: They are sold out

<eddie:oblak.be> @riceandbeans:matrix.org: You can respond to abuse reports and halt boxes from where malicious activity originates. But you can't hand over customer data.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Servers guru accepts xmr > <@intr:unredacted.org> Kyun is a piece of shit