<kiersten5821:matrix.org> that's how it works, tell people the machine with 5 oom improvement needed to do anything will be here in 3 years and everyone needs to switch to our new algorithm immediately!

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> although with monero it's more important to get resistance fast because of retroactive deanonymization of tx when they eventually build it 20 years from now, but not for other coins

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> V

<fafo757badnewzcoming4u:matrix.org> Monero good

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> Quantum computers will quite simply never exist in any meaningful capacity. Post quantum crypto is solving a problem that doesn’t yet and won’t ever exist by magnifying CPU, RAM, and network requirements. IMO, better to do nothing in this case. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> what's the quantum-resistant "migration" plan of monero if any?

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> never is quite strong

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> Some things in life truly are that plainly simple though

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> As hatred outpouring into AI continues and people realize it will never be profitable and the bubble begins to pop people want to jump ship and throw their money at another ponzi hype cycle, this time it’s quantum.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconducting. You guys are fucking around wit [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/4PfPqIoLTjlyNFJ3 ]

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Someone woke up on wrong side of the bed.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> no shit

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I want something good for Monero

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s open source feel free to contribute.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Just talk doesn’t help 😀

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> open source = free work

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> it's plain stupid

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconduc [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ]

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> After trillions of dollars and decades, we’re nearing the limit of the physics aspect of it and the computers with high error rates can barely factor 2^12. We’re nowhere near an actual threat to modern cryptography. Even if it came to be, which it won’t and you’ll have tractor beams and warp drives before that happens, [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ]

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s not, if you don’t want to work; let others work

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I would help but your crowdfunding site REQUIRES everything to be on permissive license even when you work on it privately.

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> We have munitions that are very advanced and cost millions of dollars. Being authorized to ever use them even in the heat of battle is rare and usually you’re forced to use significantly cheaper lower tech things because of the associative cost.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> it's open source terrorism

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> telling you under what license the code can be on your computer

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> That’s how open source works

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> It’s kind of the point man

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> There are decades of legal issues it was meant to prevent

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> that's the point

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Bye

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> Mr Censorship in action be careful now

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> Then don’t release a binary. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero

<elongated:matrix.org> @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Go to bed son

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> You can't argue with me about nothing, the only thing you can do is shifting to argument about Open Source because for you Open Source is what defined by opensource.org in Washington DC or where the fuck they are in the USA, corporate crackheads will tell you what is open source and then retards worldwide will repeat the same [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uefzqIoLU1FRcVdW ]

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> ccs.getmonero.org is pure TRASH saying at ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs : "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied."

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> "even as you work on it"

<riceandbeans:matrix.org> It’s been litigated for decades. It’s also the chief issue IMO about AI, beyond cost and inaccuracy, it doesn’t provide license and attribution to everything it’s been trained on to create your works which are also legally derivative works.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> it's like saying you must license the ABC printed in Rust immediately after you wrote it down so Monero can suck your blood

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I'm sure a patented solution would be MUCH better than using something shit from github.com to secure Monero you get rights that others don't

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> I mean the entire Monero project (including its users), if all tokens/coins/blockchains implementing the exact same FREE NSA AUTHORED algorithms like what they planning now to use in Ethereum and Bitcoin then why should I use any cryptocurrency at all when I can develop my own INDEPENDENTLY FROM NSA/NIST?

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> Monero and Zcash has CRITICAL urgency and it MUST NOT use NIST/NSA algorithms.

<yushanren:matrix.org> No one should use self developed cryptography algorithms.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> all algorithms developed by someone aren't they?

Yes. And I won't use mine. Feel free to use mine though.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> -.-

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> very intelligent Sir

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> if someone develops an algorithm that is far better and stronger than any NIST algorithm (and China right now working on that), South Korea already have their own, I don't see why would need to release it under open source when can just license it to semiconductors instead

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> for billions of dollars

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> even the European Union want's independent non-NIST algorithms and investing heavily in that

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> what Monero is doing? Optimizing NSA algorithms because NIST give it for free which is hilarious!

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> the same thing happening in Bitcoin too

<yushanren:matrix.org> What is the source?

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> source for what?

<yushanren:matrix.org> China, South Korea and EU are developing their own cryptographic algorithms

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> lol can't you do your own research? maybe use DuckDuckGo instead of Google that pushing for American propaganda

<yushanren:matrix.org> This is rude talking with sources

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> omg man you claim I rude talking because I say "american propaganda" "NSA algorithms" and "BE FUCKING FREE FROM THEM"?

<yushanren:matrix.org> You should prove what you say.

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> that's how I talk, I'm very direct and open

<quantumresistant:matrix.org> you should do your own research, takes like 2 minutes to open the browser

<321bob321> BBQ > <@yushanren:matrix.org> What is the source?