<jpk68:matrix.org> @vikrants:monero.social Hi, would you mind responding to my DM?

<export_btc:matrix.org> hi bro

<export_btc:matrix.org> brothers*

<kevino:tchncs.de> x.com/EpicCashTech/status/2102239014912774164

<kevino:tchncs.de> this is fud ?

<torir:unredacted.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: Yeah, it's FUD, but based on truth.

<torir:unredacted.org> > They either do not know, or do not want to acknowledge that FCMP++ does absolutely nothing for all transactions that came before FCMP++.

<torir:unredacted.org> It has been acknowledged many times that transactions before FCMP++ are vulnerable, the devs aren't ignoring it.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/zImQia0LdFQ2UmNu ]

<torir:unredacted.org> If you haven't shared an address for a wallet, I think (?) less of the wallet history gets revealed.

<torir:unredacted.org> What isn't stated in the tweet is that cracking an entire blockchain is still going to be a lot of computing effort, and make take some time even with a working quantum computer. Estimates for quantum computers large enough to be relevant to cryptography vary a lot, but the most conservative estimates say it's at least 5 years out.

<torir:unredacted.org> Ai gave me "Surveyed experts put the chance of a CRQC arriving at 28–49% within 10 years and 51–70% within 15 years"

<torir:unredacted.org> But that was before the recent Google posts about a massive improvement to the algorithm to crack RSA.

<kevino:tchncs.de> maybe a ragebait , because they have nothing better to offer

<kevino:tchncs.de> well if you talk about quantum threats, then the whole bitcoin chain would be vulnerable.

<rbrunner7> If somebody has too much time on their hand, they could do some research whether EpicCash itself is already really "quantum proof" today. Could well be turns out it's not. They claim here they are: epiccash.com/quantum-computing-a-threat-to-cryptocurrencies

<torir:unredacted.org> The poster wants you to panic and use their hyped up and probably vibed-coded coin, when realistically there are better options:

<torir:unredacted.org> * Use Zcash. You do have to be careful to avoid making mistakes that link your funds, but as much as I hate to say it, the current shielded pool is, as far as I know, impossible for QC to deanonymize.

<torir:unredacted.org> * Sweep Monero funds to a new wallet that you never share an address for. Without the view public key and spend public key that are in the address, the QC has less information to crack.

<torir:unredacted.org> * Realize that even with a QC, blockchain analysis is hard and time consuming and you still have a good chance of disppearing into the noise.

<kevino:tchncs.de> @kevino:tchncs.de: it doesn't mean it cannot be fixed later

<rbrunner7> But just because you don't have addresses it doesn't mean everything is ok. I maybe could start to record all transactions today and then wait for quantum computers.

<export_btc:matrix.org> Who should I give money to, guys?

<rbrunner7> You would think that if the following claim is solid we would probably know by now: "EpicCash was already full quantum-resistant 7 years ago when it was born".

<export_btc:matrix.org> I had 15 winning trades in a row.

<rbrunner7> @export_btc:matrix.org: The Monero donation address, to fund further development?

<torir:unredacted.org> @export_btc:matrix.org: ccs.getmonero.org

<torir:unredacted.org> donatemonero.org

<torir:unredacted.org> kuno.anne.media

<export_btc:matrix.org> @torir:unredacted.org: I can send you an invoice for $500—send me a private message; I don't have Monero.I can send you an invoice for $500—send me a private message; I don't have Monero.

<kevino:tchncs.de> @export_btc:matrix.org: congrats.

<kevino:tchncs.de> give some to your mom

<kevino:tchncs.de> and donate some to ccs , because without devs you wouldn't be earning money by trading xmr

<export_btc:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: this is right

<export_btc:matrix.org> If anyone needs a Trust card, let me know.

<torir:unredacted.org> @export_btc:matrix.org: I can only accept Monero, and I'm not seeking donations at the moment anyway. If you want to donate fiat money, you could take a look at charitynavigator.org or givewell.org.

<kevino:tchncs.de> i think the whole "quantum proof" claims by most projects are more of a fancy marketing piece than a actual concern about security.

<export_btc:matrix.org> Actually, I'm from Russia, and some websites don't work for me due to restrictions.

<export_btc:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: agree

<export_btc:matrix.org> Does anyone need a referral link for a Trust card?

<export_btc:matrix.org> handy thing

<export_btc:matrix.org> Who should I give a couple of thousand dollars to?

<export_btc:matrix.org> Straight from the heart

<kevino:tchncs.de> you earned while trading what ?

<export_btc:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: in scalping

<rbrunner7> There would be this where you can donate BTC, or donate with a credit card: donate.magicgrants.org/monero/donate/monero

<export_btc:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: dm me

<pw:xmr.mx> maybe a cut to the guys over at #basicswap:matrix.org > <@export_btc:matrix.org> Who should I give a couple of thousand dollars to?

<pw:xmr.mx> also @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx is here there and everywhere, helping massively with many a different issue, in many a different area - around the clock!

<pw:xmr.mx> super patient and extremely helpful and he also has his own donation address.

<pw:xmr.mx> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/m4Halq0LaEZFVzUx ]

<pw:xmr.mx> of course there are other projects like FCMP++ and carrot.

<pw:xmr.mx> and perhaps consider a wallet CCS too, like monfluo by @anon_contributor_xmr:monero.social

<torir:unredacted.org> > <@rbrunner7> If somebody has too much time on their hand, they could do some research whether EpicCash itself is already really "quantum proof" today. Could well be turns out it's not. They claim here they are: epiccash.com/quantum-computing-a-threat-to-cryptocurrencies

<torir:unredacted.org> Doing some of my own research, EpicCash appears to be a MimbleWimble coin, so it's like Grin. MimbleWimble is not "quantum-proof". Since it relies on elliptic curves for its security, a quantum computer can create counterfeit coins on the EpicCash chain undetectably.

<torir:unredacted.org> Much of the transaction history is not stored on the blockchain due to cut-through, but an adversary monitoring the network can recover transactions before cut-through, so EpicCash is probably weaker against an active, non-quantum adversary than Monero.

<torir:unredacted.org> Post-quantum security and post-quantum secrecy are two different things, so keep that in mind when do your own research. Post-quantum security means that the coin is still usable in the presence of a Quantum Adversary: the QA cannot steal funds or create new coins out of nowhere. Post-quantum secrecy means that transaction his [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/stPLpK0LbWxEQUFT ]

<ofrnxmr> @torir:unredacted.org: I doubt it

<jpk68:matrix.org> It's definitely weaker, unless we assume there is literally no one monitoring the network before the cut-throughs happen

<ofrnxmr> Hard to be vuln do deanon on a chain with zero txs

<ofrnxmr> Like, wownero went like 2 years with a ring size of 1

<ofrnxmr> Nobody was hurt by this. "If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?" Is one question.. but does the tree make a sound if the tree doesnt exist?

<ofrnxmr> I look at the prior question as a quantum one. A schrodingers tree wuestion

<ofrnxmr> But there has to be a cat in the box, for the car to be alive or dead

<ofrnxmr> So any chain with zero econimically meaningful txs, like dero when deanoned, have nothing to lose. Of courae they are safe. Why would you even care about such a thing. Find out who has 90% of some coin worth $4 market cap?

<lza_menace> that was hilarious - something like rings were only selected after a specific date due to faulty logic > <@ofrnxmr> Like, wownero went like 2 years with a ring size of 1

<ofrnxmr> Before :d. Lmao. All decoys were from 2022 and earlier

<ofrnxmr> From before the last hf

<lza_menace> oh, right, even worse. static selection

<ofrnxmr> the real spend was always the one that was after 2022 hahaha

<zxcasdqweqwe:matrix.org> it seems trocador is not working as well: > <@jpk68:matrix.org> 1. Purchase Bitcoin on Binance

<zxcasdqweqwe:matrix.org> "Error. The chosen exchange can't process your order right now."

<pw:xmr.mx> maybe due to the amount being too low maybe

<jpk68:matrix.org> @zxcasdqweqwe:matrix.org: It just means what it says. Try again later or with a different amount

<pw:xmr.mx> check out #basicswap:matrix.org too @zxcasdqweqwe:matrix.org

<awiteb:4rs.nl> @pw:xmr.mx: You can post on Xmrbazaar that you want to swap your bitcoin to XMR, someone may be interested

<pw:xmr.mx> no ty

<pw:xmr.mx> it wasn't me having the issue :P

<zxcasdqweqwe:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: it works, in progress right now

<zxcasdqweqwe:matrix.org> do you guys have channel for domain privacy providers topic? looking for a reliable one

<torir:unredacted.org> You could ask in #monero-offtopic:monero.social