<shortwavesurfer2009> Btw selsta the docker run to build the android app complained about submodules and suggested i run "git submodule update --init --force --recursive" and that seems to have made it happy.

<shortwavesurfer2009> This was on your qt6 branch

<absinthium:4d2.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: the more concerning part to me is that inflation isnt controlled on protocol level but by the people that make the money in the first place

<absinthium:4d2.org> or like that was a horrible explanation but predictable inflation = fine but government issued random inflation = scary

<absinthium:4d2.org> Its kindof why I don't like metals too. in theory metals work pretty similar to bitcoin in issuence, corporate mining companies entirely control the newly generated supply

<shortwavesurfer2009> Weird. My device just says "app not installed"

<shortwavesurfer2009> Its arm v8

<shortwavesurfer2009> Though I did not try to install it with ADB, instead I tried putting it on a flash drive and then installing it from the flash drive. So maybe that's why. But I don't know for sure.

<shortwavesurfer2009> I will see if I can scrounge up a type A to type C cable from somewhere and try it again with ADB.

<shortwavesurfer2009> I do not believe this is selsta 's problem, but i got

<shortwavesurfer2009> "Performing Streamed Install

<shortwavesurfer2009> adb: failed to install /home/user/build/monero-gui/build/Android/release/android-build/build/outputs/apk/release/android-build-release-unsigned.apk: Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES: Failed to collect certificates from /data/app/vmdl356738690.tmp/base.apk: Attempt to get length of null array]"

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> It sounds like you didn't sign the apk

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> I'm not sure if the build script does that for you

<shortwavesurfer2009> It doesn't appear to do so.

<shortwavesurfer2009> I followed the instructions as directed.

<shortwavesurfer2009> So this might be an issue for more than just me, if that's the case.

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009: All apks have to be signed before installing them onto a device so if the build script doesn't do that, you will have to do that manutlly.

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social:

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> If you have the android sdk and a jdk installed, you can create a key with:

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> keytool -genkey -v -keystore keystore.ks -keyalg RSA -keysize 4096 -validity 10000

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> Then you can sign with:

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> apksigner sign --ks keystore.ks --in android-build-release-unsigned.apk --out android-build-release-signed.apk[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5t7-1K0LNUxyTTdI ]

<shortwavesurfer2009> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: Yeah, to the best of my knowledge, I don't have all that stuff installed.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Unless the Docker setup environment did it, and I would not know even how to begin to look at that.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Just for testing purposes, is there not some sort of developer option I can enable or disable that would allow me to mess around with it? Without having to deal with the signing thing?

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> Hm... I could sign it for you (with a random temporary key) but then you'd have to trust that I didn't modify anything (although you could still compare the build fingerprints I think).

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> You also might be able to sign it here:

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> perchance.org/apk-edit

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009: no. normally for testing apks are signed with a debug keystore. You would still need the apksigner installed though

<shortwavesurfer2009> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: Hey, that website worked. Thx.

<shortwavesurfer2009> This is only for testing purposes, and I don't have any plans on using it for actual money. So, it's fine.

<shortwavesurfer2009> Well, for whatever reason, in this build, simple mode is not available.

<shortwavesurfer2009> I really don't want to download the entire blockchain to my phone if I can avoid it.

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009: You can use a remote node in advanced mode

<shortwavesurfer2009> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: Oh, okay, cool.

<shortwavesurfer2009> My Tor Onion node is sitting about five feet away from me as we speak, so I'll use that one.

<shortwavesurfer2009> It's what I use for all of my wallets.

<shortwavesurfer2009> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/itHvMkMaLPGxJEBKRofHWWzR.png (1000010138.png)

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @shortwavesurfer2009: Did you set a socks5 proxy?

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> I'm not sure if onion remote nodes work without it

<shortwavesurfer2009> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: I have the Tor VPN app on my phone, so all data traffic goes through Tor by default.

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> ah, ok. I don't know how it will interact with a mobile vpn 🤷

<shortwavesurfer2009> That depends on even if I can get to the remote node screen to set it up. Because I tried doing so when I was in the setup wizard, and it didn't seem to take it. So, not sure what happened there. That left side panel needs to be turned into some sort of hamburger menu so that it's collapsible.

<jpk68:matrix.org> trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=monero&hl=en-US

<jpk68:matrix.org> Data for "monero" on Google Trends seems to show that popularity is sort of correlated with price, but not really

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/LKEgygyXLLTzXpSzSlwIbtiZ.png (image.png)

<jpk68:matrix.org> Not bringing this up for any particular reason; just thought it was interesting

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> ☹️

<jpk68:matrix.org> Bad IP?

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @jacoblightning3:matrix.org: That's definitely not all you know

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: no idea. Reloaded and it works

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/oIUQvxoYgQTYFxKVDKTfrFIh.png (image.png) > <@jpk68:matrix.org> trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=monero&hl=en-US

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZoeBOYAQipCOFfFleZbCRKds.png (image.png)

<jacoblightning3:matrix.org> Yay, Brazil

<jpk68:matrix.org> XMR and BCH have very similar graphs, except the former seems to be dying off recently

<kevino:tchncs.de> foogle trends

<kevino:tchncs.de> ye bch had an underwhelming performance recently

<kevino:tchncs.de> they are planning to reduce block times to 1 minutes. Its interesting but not sure if this will make them any popular.

<absinthium:4d2.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: does BCH actually have any usage? never seen them get above a few percent on every metric, if they are on it at all

<pw:xmr.mx> @kevino:tchncs.de: I am not familiar with BTC what's did with BTC and BTCcash

<pw:xmr.mx> @absinthium:4d2.org: can be used to donate to #basicswap:matrix.org

<absinthium:4d2.org> and do people?

<torir:unredacted.org> @absinthium:4d2.org: BCH has 3.15% usage on Nano-GPT: nano-gpt.com/blog/august-2026-payment-stats

<absinthium:4d2.org> actually quite interesting to see they are beating litecoin

<ofrnxmr> @absinthium:4d2.org: It was only added yesterday

<absinthium:4d2.org> wasn't aware basicswap even had donation option will have to add them to donatemonero :D

<absinthium:4d2.org> @absinthium:4d2.org: if anyone has anything else i'm missing from here please request it donatemonero.org thanks

question is it safe to use raspberry pi zero as a signer?

<awiteb:4rs.nl> > Revolut confirmed that it disclosed sensitive customer information to an unauthorized third party after receiving fraudulent requests sent from a legitimate government agency email domain.

<awiteb:4rs.nl> techcrunch.com/2026/09/12/revolut-c…ch-through-fake-government-requests

<awiteb:4rs.nl> if it's a real government agency, then it's not a breach and it's okay 🤦‍♂️