which mobile xmr wallet is recommended? should be open-source, audited and secure

Monerujo or Cake wallet

I'm not sure about "audited"

both are open source

I don't think any of the wallets have had a recent audit.

Wownero is now live on Stack Wallet if you wanted to try it out. nioc and others

Android only atm. Having a couple issues with iOS.

<DiegoSalazar[m]> "Android only atm. Having a..." <- I use ios for just calling and texting, all the other app shit is on graphene

if i have to call people I at least want it to be reliable, anything internet related android can do fine

Sounds reasonable.

Does Stack work on graphene? Haven't checked yet.

Idk haven't used it

I'll give it a look.

I have one profile for security related things and another thats named "google play services", so that even if google play is sandboxed in the OS I don't want it fucking up and somehow being able to reach files within the same profile

So for anything installed from aurora is in a different profile

I'm assuming you use FDroid also, yeah?

So the things you don't have to get from Google Play you don't have to.

Yeah

I always go to fdroid first

App drawer check 🏌️‍♂️🤪

NewPipe any good? Vanced is dying. :(

Newpipe is good yeah, its just sometimes the API times out and you have to go to the youtube site instead

But for 95% of time its fine

Havent used vanced in years I didn't know it was still a thing

they tried to sell nfts and google cracked down on them

☠️

chad move

Awfully audacious considering each persons google profile is just a really expensive NFT of their identity

Do you think Windows has any crypto-miner? I re-installed Windows 10 recently, and it uses 10-30% of CPU when doing absolutely NOTHING, with my new computer, while Ubuntu with GNOME (a very heavy desktop environment) uses 2-3%

You are just spoiled at how de-bloted any version of linux is

gunslinger_zach[: Or just at how Windows sucks

Windows 7 didn't use that much CPU

Yep but you don’t notice it until you make Linux you daily driver

* much CPU anyway

Windows 10 has tons of crap running in background by default

Who knows? Windows might be actually cryptomining, since it's closed-source there is no way to know

Try to find in Task Manager what uses CPU

Considering that Microsoft is a publicly Traided company, they may have to disclose that kind of revenue

<duggavo[m]> "Do you think Windows has any..." <- nnmclub.to

Windows 10 LTSC by Paxweaver

Great job to cut off spying

System do nothing

> <@xtiveangels:matrix.sp-codes.de> nnmclub.to... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…7a8b0c73c2cff7ae98b814ec74b18b14ecc>)

english version

You chose. And open source power shell script by westlife to delete windows defender, cortana and all bad microsoft stuff. Translated to English too

s/chose/choose/

dEBRUYNE please shill the new version, (the previous node bug is fixed) thank you getmonero.org/2022/09/29/monero-0.18.1.2-released.html

<duggavo[m]> "Who knows? Windows might be..." <- Lol

You would know if Windows was cryptomining

It's probably easier to insert a cryptominer in an opensource project than in Windows

Proof of concept randomx sniffer from tevador github.com/tevador/randomx-sniffer

although number 2: modify operating system .. but i'd agree with RavFX

That's an interesting project. It helps prevent theft of CPU resources.

Crackpot Hypothesis: Windows implements this in their OS and then geolocates all Monero miners using Windows OS and shuts them down. Lol. I understand that this is highly unlikely (at least in the short term)

-1000 Fed Coin Credit Score haha

They could implement that in Windows and stop removing chunk of monero wallet with there anti virus....

Instead if it detect mining it could tell you " We detected mining operation on you're system, is this one of you're making <yes/no> [ ] remember.

Then it could remember the binarie doing the mining and stop naging you about it, except if you choose no and in that case it could remove the unauthorized cryptominer

If you get a different miner it would detect it because it's a different binarie and ask you again

Could get rid of most unauthorized mining while stopping messing with people Monero installation

The project is a good tool in my opinion. As it enables people to detect when they are being stolen from. I am conspiracy oriented and elaborated on how the project could be deployed by Microsoft to attack Monero.

I don't think microsoft can attack more Monero with that. I mean, they already know when you install Monero anyway

Good point. I feel like an idiot for forgetting that haha. They could just geolocate everyone who has downloaded any Monero based software haha

Microsoft is a for profit corporation, they don't give a fsck about what you do with the OS but they don't like malware tainting there name because people associate Windows with Virus

And comparing now with 15 years ago, Microsoft did a wonderful job as far as malware management

That makes sense. I agree with you that presently Microsoft might not care much about what you are doing with their OS, but I think there is a decent chance of a government crackdown and the government will use Big Tech to surveil and target the masses (within the next 10 years).

But gouvernment can also inject spy stuff in opensource software.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…eee5ed518a78045b614c4b9f92aa65600ed>)

s/and/in/

How is it possible for a government to inject spy stuff into Opensource software?

Monero utilization can be detected at ISP level. They don't need to picky back into you're OS.

True.

ISPs are a more effective point of control for the government.

fr33_yourself[m]: open a github account and commit

Or better, Login with some nice good old dev account that got hacked and commit from his?

I see. And they actually succeeded in doing this to Linux three times in the past? Also what is the "RC" you referred to?

Way easier than hacking into the Microsoft internal repository to place the backdoor.

Plus no microsoft dev have access to all the code, they all have access to the specific subsystem they know best and work on these.

You won't see a NTKRNL.exe DEV working on the taskbar

RC mean Release candidate.

It's when the kernel get released as beta so more people can test it

they usually have 7 to 9 RC before the kernel is deamed stable and incorporated into the many distributions

one RC per two week

one point release per week

I see, but I don't understand all of that terminology haha

The difference is that with Linux, everyone have access to all the code

Everyone can try to sneak a backdoor into a part of the code.

And there is not only the kernel, a normal linux distribution need at minimum like 200 dependencies. You only need to backdoor a widely used one

The kernel and some base libs are widely audited so the risk is lower, but the risk is still present

Your point is that ISPs are a more effective point of control than operating systems, correct? If so, just how censorship resistant are cryptocurrencies really? They are dependent on the condition that there will always be at least one geographical location that doesn't restrict how people use the internet, right?

RavFX[m]: Which do you think is easier to backdoor, Linux or Windows? Also which do personally use and why?

Well, some ISP have to record what you connect to and keep the log for a few year.

Just grep every connection to port 1808* then you know exactly who is using Monero in your country (assuming they have country wide data collection laws)

Of course, people using VPN and TOR are immune, kinda

fr33_yourself: I would say, the risk is the same:

* Linux is easier to backdoor because everyone can try to do it.

* Windows can have serious bugs that 3 letter agencies know about and abuse them for years

> <@al800:0wnz.at> Well, some ISP have to record what you connect to and keep the log for a few year.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…e43557718ad5e7eb79b2b5faf312bf249e7>)

And I see more damage using opensource software, for example when that stupid guy decided to patch a npm very used depandancy to add code to detect you're IP. Russian IP = Delete everything you have, yay!

Many time people make malware in Python and Nodejs dependencies. Because it's easy!

Rucknium[m]: That's nice actually

> <@al800:0wnz.at> Well, some ISP have to record what you connect to and keep the log for a few year.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…2bcf21e002ebcdb6b9764bb18902918e6be>)

Rucknium[m]: That is good. I think he is trying to encrypt the traffic between nodes or something like this?

We need better way to obfuscate what you are doing on the net.

and if using VPN, exit on where they don't give a fsck or exit in a country that have opposed alignement to you're country.

You are an american? Use a Russian VPN.

You are chinese? Use a American VPN..

The best is to make it so it does look like something else.

Can they just initiate client->node and node->node a la TLS on port 443?

that way it will look like other encrypted https traffic

using a specific port is really giving the information away to the ISP

So in practice, people in China bypass their internet restrictions by purchasing and connecting to US VPN services or by using TOR with a bridge? Or some combination thereof?

Kindof.

they just need vpn or tor and exit not in china.

BUT china gonna know you are using a VPN, what if they have good relation to you're VPN exit country and ask them the info.

If the US gouv ask Russia about my IP, Russia will tell them to fsck off

And Russia have no power on me, they are on another contient

s/contient/continent/

> <@al800:0wnz.at> We need better way to obfuscate what you are doing on the net.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…91d2fd63adf6eb0cb2e8e279c19c4668692>)

Having a VPN exiting in a unfriendly country to you're country prevent you're country receiving response from the other country

They can't

Except if the execute the splinternet plan

WEF talked about the splinternet as a way to lower the risk of cyber attack

to make it simple, you have one internet for america, one internet for latin america, one internet for europe.

All connection between theses are based on whitelist only.

That way it prevent information circulating all around (that's probably the real reason, cyberattack are the excuse they gonna use if they are going to execute that plan)

> <@al800:0wnz.at> Kindof.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…d908c217f3abed7e8393a454062df9bf29a>)

Non, they don't care much actually.

You can just buy a Hong Kong SIM, and use it totally unfiltered in china, access everything without a VPN

> <@al800:0wnz.at> WEF talked about the splinternet as a way to lower the risk of cyber attack... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…816198a5062200d15e993b13635bba84fed>)

that's the best solution if you are in china, just get a hong kong SIM. Use tor or a VPN if you which in extra

s/which/whish/

> <@al800:0wnz.at> Non, they don't care much actually.

>

> You can just buy a Hong Kong SIM, and use it totally unfiltered in china, access everything without a VPN

Oh wow. How do you know this by the way? Do you have friends/contacts that live in China? I was under the impression that it was much worse there (like police questioning you if they find out you are using a VPN)

RavFX[m]: Gotcha. That is good info

fr33_yourself[m]: For a matter, yes, I do have friends there.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…723ddb8416f62303c0a1ea7bb21369ecef4>)

My understanding regarding the Monero network's persistence is correct though right? As long as there is some place in the world where nodes can be maintained without getting "whacked" then we are good?

Yeah, as long as we don't have a splinternet, monero should be totally unstoppable.

> <@al800:0wnz.at> For a matter, yes, I do have friends there.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…e4e56f826667945d6406c47883a8f04dea0>)

RavFX[m]: What would happen to Monero if a splinternet was implemented by governments?

I'm sure they use it

fr33_yourself[m]: We would get a monero chain fork in every region of the splinternet.

monero will continue to work but you won't be able to transfer coin between regions

And it would cause issue for the developpement and release of monero binaries as they might not be available in you're region

fr33_yourself[m]: CCS to fund satellite launches 😎

Yeah, we need Monero geostationary satellites with blockchain in space

They need some anti sat-killer tech too

> <@al800:0wnz.at> We would get a monero chain fork in every region of the splinternet.

> monero will continue to work but you won't be able to transfer coin between regions

Roger. Thanks for explaining the consequences of that. Fingers crossed we don't have to face that scenario in the future.

Rucknium[m]: Haha good one

RavFX[m]: U're one step from intergalactic warfare.

We need to setup mesh network that cross border, and that is faster than Lora 😄

The satellites are a good idea actually

Rav, if you don't mind my asking what do you do for a living?

You seem very knowledgeable regarding tech

I just do code and get paid with and accumulate the monero

No monero, no code

RavFX[m]: Who do you code for? Are you free-lance? Do you ever find yourself without projects to work on? And what type of development do you do?

Free lance but I have big profile customers.

Quite surprised I was actually able to get them to pay me that way lol

For now I'm kind of fully booked because I have projects of my own too

Nice. Sounds like a good gig.

I can do c++ and web shiet

How long have you been programming for?

Programming for crypto, since 2017 ish

That was after like 7 years of no "work" at all

But I got bored and I wanted more

So you spent 7 years learning to program. And have only been doing it for income since 2017?

is something broken, i appear to have access to your private messages

yeah, maybe I should stfu lol

Sorry for blowing up the chat. I was just curious.

Anyways, thanks for all of your answers RavFX

RavFX[m]: Now go open your door for fr33_yourself[m], he's anxious to meet you.