<DanIsnotthemanBr> "the website?" <- Non, when I tried to make a "payment" exchange.

Ended up using another service for that one

plowsof: Jan 14th is too long

Jan 7th makes more sense

hi

Morning

can't connect to liberchat with tor ?

Youll have to follow liberas tor setup instructions

thanks

but not cool, it should be ok from start

You can use matrix over tor easily 🤷‍♂️

someone have a real anonymous decentralized way because matrix ask mail...

?

Only some matrix homeservers require email

ofrnxmr[m]: done thank

Monero.social didnt used to require email, but too much spam without some method to slow down account creation

there is just a hello text

what ?

Use alias email

is it possible to self host matrix server ?

Yes

thanks

why --restricted-rpc is necessary to be public node ?

resist all of these governments at any cost

the level to which they went with trapping people in bureaucratic processes and then "freeing" them from the same by basically honeypotting them is a travesty

monerica.com

agree

never trust them again

it's over

no more vaccine, never accept EID & CBDC

ready to close bank account if necessary even if it will be difficult

everything that people need to realize is that if they don't cooperate and if they don't believe their shit then the whole structure will simply fall apart anyways by itself

because it's all based on fucking belief

there is an average of what, 1 cop on 500 humans? it's all make belief, there is 0 power

when i see nitter for twitter, invidious & piped for youtube, somethink is telling me GAFA & system is in loosing trend ^^

mastodon for disdord and monero for fiat

beause bitcoin is pre cbdc ^^

tor for isp and we are ok

they will pus the cbdc and we will finish them

s/pus/push/

Just an announcement: we were updating the Trocador.app server this morning, some trades couldn't be completed. The problem is now solved, trading should be normal again. If you were trying to trade and experienced issues, now you can try again.

As a discord alternative there is also revolt.chat

we need self hosting

because never trust them

carlae88[m]: What OS do you use?

in fact, onion share is ok

Siren[m]: linux of course ^^

Good

Securing phones is such a headache

everyone should be

If you want a dumbphone nowadays, they run KaiOS which has gapps and telemetry built-in...

but i have an iphone :/

Both android and ios are fucked

orbot is routing all via tor

do you have solution ?

Like android being open source ain't an excuse because android phones all have lotsa proprietary blobs and google basically has to approve your usage of android as a company if you wanna build a phone and distribute

i heard about graphen os

Yes that's great but it only runs on google pixel

shit

Google pixel experience isn't the best

The always somehow manage to fuck it up with the newer android versions, you have something called the black screen of death

I'm interested in this, not sure if it's any good but it can make calls clockworkpi.com

Also can root kaiOS devices (not all) to remove gapps but the OS is still a blackbox and it's hard to develop apps for it wiki.bananahackers.net/root/temporary-root

clockpi is like a small computer ?

portable

I was considering buying a nokia flip and then rooting it. KaiOS is a fork of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS so apps are browser based. I was thinking I could somehow turn Element into an app and then I saw the documentation for developing KaiOS apps lmao.

Pain.

carlae88[m]: Yeah

but it's not a phone

i'm right ?

Depends on what you call a phone. This thing looks like a handheld console but it runs a linux distro and has modem so you can make calls and receive/send sms.

+

Calculator :D

s/The/They/

Nokia 3110 they sell at the convenient store run "Nokia OS 4.0 SP2"). Wonder how it compare to other OS like Graphene.

For a "phone" use with mean Phone and SMS.

They also sell phone similar to Alcatel 1068, not sure of the exact model but look the same

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Nokia 3110 they sell at the convenient store run "Nokia OS 4.0 SP2"). Wonder how it compare to other OS like Graphene.

>

> For a "phone" use with mean Phone and SMS.

Is that symbian based or maemo?

Graphene is pretty damn good if you know how to use it correctly. The only part that leaks a significant amount of information is the mobile phone connections - and "call and SMS only" phones have the same weakness

Siren[m]: Good question

:D

Or whatever the hell this is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_30%2B

Some new nokias run this including the new xpressmusic

Serie 30 is "Nokia OS"

Ah

I wish they made internet tablets again

With Maemo

I'd buy it

"Since 2017, a new release called Maemo Leste is in development which is based on Devuan.[9]"

Cool, they did choose to fork the Debian fork without Systemd!

I think they're back to Finnish devs after Microsoft destroyed them hard

Hopefully they will release something with that

Would be nice indeed

why zec aren't accepted more as xmr?

zec seem pretty strong on privacy and don't fuck regulations

It doesnt work

Because ZEC is a scam like 97% of the others coins

It flawed

im surprise is nowhere accepted as xmr

Centralized, dev tax, pos, unable to handle private tx. Its hot stinking trash

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Because ZEC is a scam like 97% of the others coins

> It flawed

how zec privacy flaw?

Optional privacy is bad

Going to pos*

martin03[m]: Yes. It doesnt work

martin03: Just try to get private ZEC on exchanges

Is zksnarks private etc? Sure.

Does the blockchain actually work? Meaning, can it handle private transactions? No

ofrnxmr[m]: ok i really don't care about that to much tbh

i just want privacy payments replaced traditional payments

I think there is only one exchange that will send you ZEC privately but you have to KYC yourself first

Well you should

zec can be pos or run by corporations

Its not a fairly distributed, decentralized project if one person owns the entire validation netowkr

Zec is already run by a company

RavFX[m]: just made a zec wallet with z address right?

No

martin03[m]: Try putting that Z address in Binance or others 😂

You cannot withdraw to z addressed

Either way, thats all just rules and regulations

IT DOESNT EVEN WORK

slow down and read

IT DOESNT WORK

ofrnxmr[m]: Trollish

ofrnxmr[m]: you can?

t to z address are possible

Brother. You're not listwning

It. Doesn't. Work.

It being the entire blockchain is broken

but it still better right than mixing bitcoin

It's been spammed to oblivion because of flaw in fees system I think.

For months someone must spammed z transactions and destroyed everyones ability to sync a wallet 🥲

Its never been designed to handle private tx

Its been designed to support them

martin03[m]: Martib

RavFX[m]: i guess that's a huge flaw on zec

Sorry, but whats your major malfunction?

Bitcoin mixing, zcash..

Why would I use shit that doesnt work?

pretty sure the average people who love crypto regulations & taxes will against using privacy coin

And why would you shill thus garbage here?

We use Monero because that other shit doesnt work

martin03[m]: Are they against using fiat? No. Your arguement doesnt hold water

martin03[m]: You know that you can be tax compliant while using monero right?

Fiat is private, though centralized

Fiat in infinitely more private than t addresses

Is* infinitely

ofrnxmr[m]: i don't know alot of technical stuff about zec

all i know it is a optional privacy coin that somehow pass gov regulations

like how do people will enter monero if the fiat gateway were cut (xmr its not even available at my cex)

Pass gov regulations?

Even using a CC or debit card is infinitely more private than T address or Bitcoin

i'm looking for an amazon or ebay with crypto ?

ZEC is a shitcoin ICO that should be shut down like xrp

Its not a cash replacement it it has a dev tax

zash lol

ZEC could have some use if it had enforced privacy and was not broken

out

ofrnxmr[m]: i believe offline transaction with cash is still more private than doing online transaction

this is includes monero

RavFX[m]: And didnt have a dev tax

carlae88[m]: for now you can go on coincards.com and buy amazon and ebay giftcard with monero

In which case == arrr == still broken

Take this to #monero-offtopic:monero.social

Wait, missunderstood carlae88 , I would also like a ebay like platform usable with Monero

RavFX[m]: thanks

Nohe of your questions have anything to do with monero. More like "hey, why dont we use ztrash"

> <@martin03:matrix.org> i don't know alot of technical stuff about zec

> all i know it is a optional privacy coin that somehow pass gov regulations

> like how do people will enter monero if the fiat gateway were cut (xmr its not even available at my cex)

localmonero.co

martin03: *

Or buy other crypto and swap for xmr

RavFX[m]: that's it somethink like alphabay but for general use case :)

Yeah, like Ebay (auctions) and Amazon.

We do have a Mercadolibre clone so far but it seam to only have stablescams -> cryptoavisos.com

not in english

but that's the idea

thanks

Yeah, "Mercadolibre clone" include Mercadolibre spanish 😂

is Litecoin a dead project?

martin03[m]: Litecoin is more useful as bitcoin when you're unit of account is Monero

Most site that accept bitcoin accept litecoin, if that site don't accept monero, Then swapping for Litecoin is way faster and also, cheaper, than Bitcoin

i feel like Litecoin is the most useless coin ever

i felt like bitcoin can be made more efficient than increasing blocksize

via segwit or taproot or any other technical stuff i don't really understand

You're insane

while Litecoin just increase the blocksize to well 4x which not pretty significant

unlike bitcoin cash & ripple , hell they were instant unlike litecoin

Litecoin is fsr, far, far more useful than btc ot bch

Even if its only use is on/off ramping to xmr

ofrnxmr[m]: why prefer litecoin over bitcoin cash tbh?

Bch is 10min block, sane mining algo as btc, hashrate moves to and from bch from btc and blocks go over an hour sometimes

bitcoin cash is instant right?

while litecoin you need to wait for confirmation

BCH and other shit work to, instead of litecoin.

But literally most site that accept bitcoin accept litecoin. Then for other coin it's quite variable. It's why Litecoin seam to be the most usedull shitcoin

Litecoin, you dont have that problem. Mining is decentralised.

s/usedull/usefull/

I like it when XMR is an option and the site owner does you a discount because no taxes

and then you pay what you saved up to customs tax :D

Always use normal post / EMS!

states owned post too lazy to check them all!

so why pick litecoin over bitcoin cash

1. it takes only 2 minutes

2. people will likely have litecoin than bitcoin cash

3. the name is much cooler?

does monero have legacy address or monero address is always the same?

I prefer the Zimbabwean dollar because NGU

> <@martin03:matrix.org> so why pick litecoin over bitcoin cash... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…ba2a4408d86fc8a77ffde6677edab4a9c81>)

don't forget I only use litecoin for site that dont accept monero

<still_stuck[m]> "everything that people need to..." <- Truth

I'm in need of help. I've set everything up to use ContextMod but I'm not good at figuring out how to properly configure it. If anyone thinks they could write a decent config, please dm me : github.com/FoxxMD/context-mod

<Siren[m]> "Securing phones is such a..." <- Nearly impossible to have privacy on a smartphone

monerobull[m]1: We're trying to fight the bot problem in the monero subreddit

fr33_yourself[m]: I only use mine for 2FA.

I hate using phone for browsing the net.

I have a bunch of yubico keys laying around for 2FA but am lazy to configure them

I use the ledger for 2fa (work for mose site compatible with yubi stuff)

s/mose/most/

for know it's keepassxc for 2fa

<martin03[m]> "why zec aren't accepted more..." <- Because it is not a real privacy coin. Trusted setup and the founder has set that Zcash can comply with government investigations. Has suffered from inflation bugs etc etc

s/know/now/

But most site don't accept theses keys, yet

<RavFX[m]> "Optional privacy is bad" <- Yep

Even with full privacy would still be a failed project

keepassxc is great as a password manager, it's what I use too, but i'm not using it for 2fa

Silbert got his net worth downgraded by forbs from 3 billion to 0$. If he goes bust, ZCash is dead too

<martin03[m]> "but it still better right than..." <- Disagree. At least bitcoin is usable

s/forbs/forbes/

and POW

and more widely accepted

Bitcoin is usable** most of the time.

I have waiting half a day for a confirmation (Did append to me more than one time)

s/**/\*\*/, s/have/hate/

<RavFX[m]> "It's been spammed to oblivion..." <- True, but something similar could also happen to Monero. It would take greater planning and more ammunition though

fr33_yourself[m]: True, but the variable block size stuff should alleviate the pain.

<Siren[m]> "You know that you can be tax..." <- Largely Self-defeating behavior, unless you voluntarily enjoy paying

and if there is too much TX piled up, a miner will eventually mine all in one block even if it get a penalty (if the fee compensate)

fr33_yourself[m]: You don't have a choice if you're a company and you would like to accept Monero. Somebody has to do the accounting.

> <@martin03:matrix.org> i don't know alot of technical stuff about zec... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…732f6ea8f20a89aea276211ce0df2a9d96b>)

<RavFX[m]> "Even using a CC or debit card is..." <- I disagree. If you acquire bitcoin with cash it should be more private than using a credit or debit card.

<ofrnxmr[m]> "ZEC is a shitcoin ICO that..." <- disagree. The government shouldn't exist, so no central entity should shut down ZEC. Rather the market should determine its fate.

fr33_yourself[m]: Everything you transact with BTC stay in the ledger, publicly accessible, anyone can see, anyone can feed the data into there neural network. It's "anonymous" until you make a mistake

Unlike the bank stuff on where the states can have accounting detail if they have a mandate or something. But the general public won't ever have access

fr33_yourself[m]: Well governments exist and it's the reality we live in.

> <@martin03:matrix.org> i believe offline transaction with cash is still more private than doing online transaction

>

> this is includes monero

This is true. However, holding physical cash will likely be a losing play over the rest of this decade due to money supply expansion outpacing Monero's tail emission.

If only acquiring, if you use cash or something like that, it should stay private, indeed.

It stop being private once you start spending and producing behavioral pattern on the blockchain

<carlae88[m]> "that's it somethink like..." <- moneromarket.io

I did see moneromarket.io.

Did not buy on there yet, not enough products yet

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Litecoin is fsr, far, far more..." <- Could you elaborate on why you think Litecoin is superior when compared to Bitcoin Cash?

I wanted to buy candles but the shipping costed more than the thing itself

fr33_yourself[m]: It's more widely accepted.

so you use litecoin where you can't use monero

Siren[m]: The wax one? I was also thinking about buying some but seam reason I did not buy

s/seam/same/

<Siren[m]> "You don't have a choice if you'..." <- Give me an example. If you are referring to large publicly traded companies I think you are correct. However for free-lancers and small businesses you are likely subject to far less scrutiny and surveillance.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Everything you transact with BTC stay in the ledger, publicly accessible, anyone can see, anyone can feed the data into there neural network. It's "anonymous" until you make a mistake

>

> Unlike the bank stuff on where the states can have accounting detail if they have a mandate or something. But the general public won't ever have access

You don't think all federal agencies have access to all credit and debit card spends and can sift through all said data as they see fit?

<Siren[m]> "Well governments exist and it'..." <- So you think the government serves you well and you'd like to finacially contribute to its persistence?

fr33_yourself[m]: It doesn't matter whether if you're a large publicly traded company or not. You will get audited once in a while and it's not worth getting caught.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> If only acquiring, if you use cash or something like that, it should stay private, indeed.

>

> It stop being private once you start spending and producing behavioral pattern on the blockchain

This is true. I'd say this is still more private than the big three credit card companies selling your data to agencies of all sorts

fr33_yourself[m]: I did not say that? But yeah zcash doesn't even work, it's shit.

fr33_yourself[m]: As they have for the corn blockchain...

only difference is that the corn blockchain, it's all agencies from all countries who have access to it.

Siren[m]: What if you don't use a bank account or are unbanked? What can the IRS know? What is their procedure here? If you don't own real estate and don't have money in a bank account it's much harder for them to touch you.

fr33_yourself[m]: You're not allowed to register a company without a bank account and a capital contibution. You're out of the loop.

Siren[m]: I don't disagree. That's why the market will determine its fate. It's price will go down over time against other goods, services, and currencies.

Can you live without a bank account in the US still?

Personally, I am unbanked since about a decade but I live in LATAM, where cash is still the king

Siren[m]: Why register? Why tell the government anything? Or is it not possible to operate a business without registering where you live?

I guess you don't have to register if you just do shit online...

Offline stuff might be harder depending where you live and local regulation

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Can you live without a bank account in the US still?

> Personally, I am unbanked since about a decade but I live in LATAM, where cash is still the king

I advocate for leaving the states and positioning oneself as you have. Move to where a large percentage of the population are unbanked and it is a cash economy. The government is broke, unsophisticated, lazy, and weak.

fr33_yourself[m]: If you are openly selling services online, making some profit and employing people sooner of later the green men will knock on your door or give you a call.

Siren[m]: Even if this happens, how do they know your business's numbers? If you don't hold any money in a bank account and don't own any real estate, what can they seize? Your car?

* operate only on tor.

* talk to employee using some IM that don't leave track to you

* pay employee with XMR

fr33_yourself[m]: You don't get a business number if you're not registered. They will literally imprison you.

Like I said, way easier to operate online than offline on where you have to interact with local normies

You can still pay your contractors with XMR as a registered business

Also it's always an option to move to a 0% corporate tax country however it's kinda hard and expensive thing to maintain

Yes, you can.

But good luck if you have a local offline business and are not registered

Siren[m]: So worst case you go to jail if you attempt to operate a business completely under the radar and they just stick you in jail for some period of time. Then you either have to pay to get out or wait and get out again to start making some money.

yeah and I would like to not have that happen

I don't even need to pay any corporate tax for the time being

RavFX[m]: You think it's easier to operate in the dark online than locally, because they slave-minds in your local area will tattle on you or spill beans on your operation?

locals won't snitch

inspections though

Siren[m]: I advocate something along these lines. Just get away from the feds. The odd policeman you see in public isn't your worry. It's the surveillance agencies that are problematic for trying to survive and build wealth in the United States.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yes, you can.

> But good luck if you have a local offline business and are not registered

You think it's only a matter of time before being arrested in this case?

depends

if you are grandma selling berries at the local market

probably no

but if you sell sausages and have a meat stand, they might jail you when they inspect you for food safety :D

Siren[m]: Yeah I guess. That's why operating out of a brick and mortar store/office is a point of failure because police on patrol may start to ask questions at some stage.

fr33_yourself[m]: Depend where you are located and the business.

But if you have an offline business, you have a physical location tied to you.

If you operate online you won't have that if you are careful. But still I would not do illegal operation online as it could be a reason for "them" to spend ressources and time to find you

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Depend where you are located and the business.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a5dc27d9d00f23a969ea82279cb42ef7071>)

<fr33_yourself[m]> "I advocate something along these..." <- I can't even build and sell vending machines

without getting state approval

it's that ridicilous

just because the machine has a cash acceptor

You actually build vending machines?

Yeah the US is pretty fucked

I'd recommend getting out of dodge if you can

fr33_yourself[m]: I have a software company and we wanted to experiment with that, ordered parts and got told fuck off

Shit's not gonna be pretty as the state tightens its grip

I don't live in US and the company isn't based there either

it's EU :,)

they gonna regulate the way I breathe next

Siren[m]: still doing it but not under the company name

won't sell it whole but maybe in form of a kit

also have to write down that it's for educational purposes and probably need to add a prompt "Don't launder money with this, ok? (y/n)"

Siren[m]: That's a really good idea in my opinion. Makes it harder to trace back to you and shut down your operation

eh I'm not operating it

people will build their own

I know

I have nothing to do with it other than showing people how to assemble

I'm saying by outsourcing the actual construction and installation you are lowering your attack surface

to fed bois

<fr33_yourself[m]> "True, but something similar..." <- Not true. Zcash _wallets_ cant keep up with scanning the blockchain if there is heavy z address usage.

Monero wallets dont have such problem

The blocks, iirc, weren't even full, yet crippled zcash wallets for weeks/months

sounds like april 2017 or so?

No, like October 2022

Or Sept or something

The vast majority of Zcash users are unaffected by the increased size of the blockchain, but users of shielded wallets are reporting slower than normal sync times due to a high volume of transactions with a high number of outputs. While Zcash is functioning as designed, the ECC engineering team is focused on improving performance,” the statement read.

“At this point, there only seems to be two problems with the spam: it's bloating the chain size, and it's making it harder for wallets to sync,” Sean Bowe, an engineer at Zcash's core development firm Electric Coin Company said.

“It's sad to see. There was always a risk of DoS given Zcash’s deliberate lack of a fee market,” security researcher Ian Miers, who has previously worked at Zcash, noted in a tweet Wednesday. “The proofs are much larger and slower to verify, making the attack worse.”

"According to Ziggurat stats, there are less than 100 full nodes and certainly even fewer lightwalletd."

"functioning as designed"

how was it designed?

To not work, and to pay the devs a lot of the fees that go into the blocks

One block was like 180k in fees. Not sure if block explorers were reporting incorrectly.. but it seemed to be correct

how can it be low fees with no fee market and 180k in fees at the same time

You can override fees somehow

I pay no attention to garbage so I haven't been following :)

I dont use zec so I cant tell you the details. The default fee is 0.0001 or something, but can be changed

My thoughts exactly haha

there is some entity that uses morenero constantly that uses a huge fee

seems to be custom and not a default higher fee

nioc: Mymonero doubles the fee levels iirc

iirc this tx was right before the flood started