selsta part-time monero development (3 months) is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-8.html

w0w

that was quick

congratulations! (nioc sleeping again hm)

Wut, only 102 out of 102 raised

New Stack Wallet version out. Primary features XMR people will be interested in is the new OLED Black theme is now Monero themed with the orange, but on a less superfluous note, you can now and label old addresses in the Receive screen. Just click the menu dots on the top right.

Much needed

The theme and the ability to reuse an address

Tyty

Also have fruit sorbet theme and green forest :D

Focusing on the important things, I know.

Need to see if I can fix my syncing issues :(

Never could get that wallet to work consistently.

Backed up and restored and new wallet does the same.

Havent tried a seed restore, still trying to figure out why just one wallet doesnt want to work

you can now and label old addresses in the Receive screen

is the and superfluous?

Me meant

hand* label

🙊

DiegoSalazar[m]: does it default to lowest fee yet?

nioc: Lel. No not yet.

Soon. Give us a breather.

please do while imma still breathing

thx

Yea the fee is higher than normal

I just set it manually

Last time I checked ut gave me higher then standard fees

it defaults to "average" or something like that instead of "slow"

Bumping down Ibwas getting 0.0004 where in other apps I was getting 3

it first gives an estimated fee which isn't always correct but when it sends it uses the correct fee

needs CLI logic for fees

The estimate is uselessly incorrect, in cake too

Syncing up a wallet to check now

unlike you I need to sleep :D

l8r

Cya

When I think about it..

Localbitcoins announced they will stop operating... one day after that Binance stopping USD withdraw.

Could it be related?

Yes

Thought so.

Binance hits swap sites hard when wallets are closed

I always try to tell people to set 5k sell price in Monero when they FM around

They can buy if they want to spend the real value

Dont come to us for real Monero, just because you ran out

But LBC is p2p swap. Plus a big part of the people on this platform are market making.

So I would not say it closed because of Binance wallet shenanigans.

Oh no, nit that it closed because of Binance, but that binance probably had to make adjustments because they closed

Binance is technically not involved, I mean, the people binance might have annoyed are the trader who needed USD on the international platform.

Yeah, that is possible

<cockliuser[m]> "Don't most CPUs have 2 threads..." <- Some CPUs have 2 threads per core, but, at least on my CPU, on Linux mining with 1 thread per core gives roughly the same hashrate of mining with 2 threads per core

There's a meeting today here at 16:00UTC monero-project/meta #791 also a MoneroKon one at 18:00UTC in#monero-events:monero.social

4 hours

3 hours

monerokon store is ready. if anyone wants to buy a ticket and help us test the system before going live, send me a DM

Near 50% increase in net hash

From 2.6gb or so to 3.5

Hashvault at 1.5g

if it's a cloud botnet they usually get taken down within a day or two

Seems to happen on weekends

Meeting time monero-project/meta #791

2. Greetings

hello

Greetings

hola

Hola

:)

Hey

would anyone like to spam some community highlights / interesting things while everyone rolls in

Hi

Hello

Most people get to stay in the bus now

Hey cancelling us now! I say

ive got a bunch linked in the meeting issue (tx extra discussions.. [Feather Wallet v2.30](featherwallet.org/changelog) [p2pool v3.0](github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/releases/tag/v3.0) / [GUPAX](gupax.io) ... rpc pay in the process of being removed

Try*

ofrnxmr you contacted nanopool or something 👀

o/

People are discussing restricting tx_extra again: monero-project/monero #6668

It is at 141 comments now

tx_extra will be discussed at the next Monero Research Lab meeting

the btc ordinal thing sparked it up again , interesting to follow with possible huge changes in the future

> <@rucknium:monero.social> People are discussing restricting tx_extra again: monero-project/monero #6668

> It is at 141 comments now

We need to remove it

a nice draft of a crowd funding site from anarkiocrypto kuno.bitejo.com 👍️

hello

selstas ccs porposal funded, and loveras almost! 🥳

monerokon tickets? contact ajs "monerokon store is ready. if anyone wants to buy a ticket and help us test the system before going live, send me a DM" thanks to digilol+siren+stnby for playing a huge role in that

Just post the darn link

please test the store first 😅

someone anyone

ofrnxmr[m]: Will you buy it?

also ive been testing a PR from rbrunner/jberman to speed up wallet refresh times (handy if some meany starts spamming our mempool .. decreases fetching mempool from a node by a huge % rbrunner7/monero #4

Hi

is it time to roll out the red carpet yet and jump into the ccs ideas

Plowsof, that research may be totally skewed with the faster block templates

Not the txpool is consistently cleared out each block, instead of every 2+ blocks

I'll buy a ticket if the link can be DMed to me, for testing

i think it is unrelated, just 'give me your mempool sir'

Forgot to put myself on the waiting list

but yes could be

ok

We were waiting for Monerobull. Good to go

a. [Help an independent film featuring Monero get to the Oscars™!](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371)

yay

so help or no help? :p

People have comments or want to vote?

just to clarify its "not breaking the rules" as per cores statement repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/371#note_20653

I wanna buy tix

i suppose the main uestion is , those who havnt voted on the gitlab issue, do you want to vote open/close? those who have downvoted, is there anything that would make you change your decision?

Stnby:

plowsof11: Community Edition with permissive license

Those of is in here voting, are known on GitLab

nice jwinterm send pm to ajs_

will do via matrix rn

all of geonics movies are open after the fact iirc, its just the oscars run-up requires it to be totes private

true

Many who vote yes on Gitlab have never participated in any other ccs stuff

has the option of showing the movie at a private MoneroKon screening been discussed?

it's been offered. I don't think it's been discussed by the organizers

The current milestones are written as

1. "Take me to the dance"

2. "If I walk in the door, pay me foe second half"

Both milestones are in advance, with no room for failure. (though not much can be done about that considering the money is to be dished out to other partied)

there will be an events meeting in 2 hours btw

MoneroKons and DefCons in the past have screened movies (and also paid for the priviledge).

there is a small cinema close by the monerokon venue

kinda cool

can we not just watch it on geonics phone

lol

just worry that ppl might be disappointed if they're expecting to see a "Monero movie"

My vote remains a no. Maybe split ccs up into

"Take me to the dance"

And

"Take me to the Oscars"

As head of program for monerokon, we will watch it on geonics phone

but if it's marketed correctly why not. I have a nice phone.

I don't really buy the advertising value, so I wont be contributing to it but I don't feel strongly enough to vote to close it.

from my understanding people enjoyed the movie experience at the conferences/events, regardless of content (though with expectation of quality)

Isn't the whole point that nomination is guaranteed for a certain amount of bribes? So really it is

1) pay bribe

2) marketing for hopefully winning

2 isnt marketing

BusyBoredom: agreed

2 is pay me for paying bribe

lol plowsof11

blankpage[m]: yeah, it's a pay-to-play system

Regarding marketing: name the last Oscar winning short film you've heard about

Nwver

I vote close

tbh there's not a lot of overlap between the people in this room and the general public

a trailer (highlighting the monero parts) has been discussed. as it stands, many peoples will be sad if it goes to funding, and if it does not go to funding. thats why i ask for how to change the nos into a yes , if possible, so the proposor can try to please

I vote close and come back with a ccs that isnt misleading, and that offers value

but most people can't name a movie that came out last year either, so there's that. maybe top gun or avatar...

My opinion is the same as BusyBoredom in this case

a trailer + monerokon / topia screening has been mentioned

GF can't contribute and community needs to be able to freely watch it after the Oscars

why will people be sad if it goes to funding?

What's the outstanding issue?

monerobull[m]: We paid for 25k worth of viewings

monerobull[m]: agree on both counts

monerobull[m]: +1 agree here

midipoet: Because it sets terrible precedent

ofrnxmr[m]: how is the CCS misleading?

ofrnxmr[m]: ok. so explain what precedent it sets?

12k upfront for ventures that barely resemble anything remotely monero

midipoet: non-free media, offers no marketing value, realistically won't win an oscars but maybe smaller festival awards

so the GF can't contribute , ok, and it will be freely available like geonics other movies ?

A ccs like this only works up front.. but for that, id expect more value coming from it

Not on Vimeo

also this proposal have been pushed to people a lot

I don't like pushy-ness

Only available on Vimeo is like it's not free 😆

monerobull[m]: torrents ok?

ofrnxmr[m]: the boat we stuck a logo on, did represent Monero?

Siren[m]: Conracted a bunch if people in private lmao

Torrents ❤️

midipoet: It had a logo on it

Didn't he say it will be publicly available after the festivals?

so if geonic adds to the ccs in big letters ' this will be freely available after oscar run (not on vimeo but on odysee) - GF dont donate, im releasing a trailer ' lovera and monterobull will vote yes?

Please share pics of XMR sailboat

Siren[m]: it's free post-festival, marketing value is still debateable.

I am interested

oh and screening at monerokon / topia or just one ?

ofrnxmr[m]: the movie also has a logo in it

In the credits? Lol

midipoet: I don't care I can't watch it. The plot itself sounds very problematic.

Siren[m]: the plot? It's a movie. Entertainment

The logo on a boat / blimp is the main feature. Cmon now

can't win them all. does the CCS have to literally please everyone in the community to move forward?

I don't see the issue for it going to funding at this point - if you think it's dumb then just don't contribute, right?

midipoet: ITS ABOUT A KID DYING

midipoet: based on a dead child

jwinterm: that was my understanding of crowdfunding too

geonic no it doesnt have to please everyone, but if you pretend like yo ucare its advantagous

ofrnxmr[m]: located where most sponsorships and affiliations go. Where else would you want it? In the subtitles?

jwinterm @jwinterm:libera.chat: then we might as well stop voting in anything

And just let every ccs through

midipoet: In the movie

ofrnxmr[m]: there is precedent for funding a monero logo on a sail boat sail in one race, no?

what's the diff?

ofrnxmr[m]: so now we don't want to allow it to go to funding, cause a person dies in the movie, or because it's based on a sad story?

midipoet: I want "Monero" mentioned in the dialogue and that the fact that Monero is digital should be implied. It is misleading otherwise.

Why cant CCS just be funded via a private subaddress entirely via people that want to?

wil it be freely available after the oscars (and not on vimeo) yes/no geonic

You can't really change the movie at this point

jwinterm: That ccs was a shitstorm for years and if its going to continue to be than were all wasting our time

like other movies are freely available, yes

you expect people to watch through the end credits

thanks

maybe the people who contributed to it feel differently?

and you are going to discuss with monero events team ... with there being a cinema "near" the event OR on your phone

I have no intention of hiding the movie in my closet :p

jwinterm: We need to remember that there are “Monero whales” that they maybe donate even not reading the proposal because they” trust “ in Monero community criteria to go funding…

near the monerokon*

jwinterm: I mean

that the ccs system* is a shitstorm

Lovera[m]: sounds like a them/whales problem :P

Lovera[m]: than we should embrace the whales, not act as their gatekeepers

that would be so cool if we had a proper theater screening

Lovera[m]: I've always felt that this is actually the case

But they also pay scammers

where Siren[m] and monerobull[m] can throw eggs at me

midipoet: If they run out of good will at some point we will be struggling to fund even the most important dev wirk

jwinterm: Yep! 😅 just comment. Their Monero is not infinite ♾️

:)

* If they run out of good will at some point we will be struggling to fund even the most important dev work

monerobull[m]: if they donate blindly, we cannot be blamed

Lovera[m]: u sure? #inflationbug

Surely these careless whales would at least have a preference between Devs/marketing so I don't think it "sucks up" donations that would otherwise fund devs

ok, there is an events meeting soon to get some thinking about some more things you can add to the ccs to appease some people and increase sentiment

geonic: Ouch

midipoet: If we waste funds yes we can

and such there fore visa vi yeah?

omg ppl worried about other people's bags is too much

Ok so.

The way I see it

midipoet: morally, maybe

if you're poor it's on you. don't donate.

There is no clear consensus

Same yesses and nos as before

geonic: looks like you have very rich friends, why come to the general fund?

general fund ?!?!?

aka CCS

CCS*

monerobull and lovera liked it if the movie would be free after and possible screened at a monerokon so theres that

ccs and general fund are entirely separate things, no?

monerobull[m]: there have been plenty of much larger wastes of funds in the past and probably will be in the future

sure call it CCS

correct jwinterm, different departments

monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: confirm

ccs(tm) and general fund(llc)

I'm at best neutral leaning no

Are you voting yes if or no

I vote yes if there adds that will be freely available after oscar + Monerokon 😎

Yeah people shoud not equate GF and CCS

there ya go boom consensus achieved now lets move on

that was easy

midipoet: Either way the question holds

unless almighty lord and ruler luigi1111 decides to move some GF into CCS after unilaterally deciding to move this to funding

because tbh in my mind that's how this whole process works anyway lol

you're too pushy and call people poor gatekeepers for stating opinions

Siren[m]: CCS has nothing to do with the general fund, except that the GF sometimes (rarely) contributes to CCS proposals. maybe that explains your downvote?

there is only one gatekeeper

Siren[m]: the question holds, but the GF=CCS is not sound logic

his name starts with luigi111 and ends with 1

lol

jwinterm: I thought it ends with w

midipoet: yes that has been a typo, now outta the way

Right

So as I see it

oh there's two of them :0

geonic: no that doesn't explain my downvote. my downvote is because of the proposal itself.

not a consensus achieved but there are things which geonic can add to make some people happier

sorry for being pushy. I'll just sit back, relax and let you gatekeep every proposal you dislike

Yes CCS is basically a dictatorship and these meetings are partially an opportunity for the masses to express their grievances to the dictators.

7/8 vote. Stalled or luigi and fire are tiebreakers

And core

geonic: That's literally how this is supposed to go

REEEEE negative opinion on my proposal REEEE ur poor and u gatekeep every proposal

Not just the meetings, folk can leave comments on the proposals :)

hi xmrscott[m], long time.

so add some more nice promises to the proposal as discussed above and ask core about it , can we move on now

This is a bit of a chaotic meeting

plowsof11: will do, thank you!

Also comments on the reddit post are also valid. Usually, it's weighted voting with precedence given to known/trusted psuedonyms.

thanks ok lets breeze through

d. [Computational work for OSPEAD parameterization](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375)

Stnby[m]: right? xd

Whoa whia

Yeah see if the deal can be sweetened and come back to it another time, I think this has run its course

Dont just slide off and leave a ness for 2 weeks

Please move on

I think it needs to ve confirmed that we could bit come to consensus and that someone needs to ve tiebreaker

Whether core or whoever

research proposal wants 100% upfront, ok, MRL have to discuss that, and would ideally need core to escrow some fiat if required (like they will do for the bp++ ccs)

CAN PEOPLE STOP SUBMITTING PROPOSALS 14 HOURS BEFORE A MEETING ON A FRIDAY

I don't think isthmus is here to answer questions about the proposal. But I'm here. I cannot fully speak for isthmus.

What are we supposed to do here? Say "everyone read it till next time, next"

Well if were considering paying get

Pay them

monerobull[m]: they could be overlooked until next week

Geo*

as a rule

I have not had time to read this proposal, and it seems that no one has had time to comment or vote on gitlab.

Ok, everyone read the thing, comment on Gitlab and we'll talk about it next time

Next item

yeah to soon to dicsus isthmus' ccs just some general logsitics to discuss about 100% payment / or core to escrow the fiat

Why even bring up "up front" if the other ccs that us perfectly acceptable and has nothing to do with xmr is favorably on the table

I don’t read that proposal… I hadn’t even realized that I was in the CCS.🤣

Wow. Eglish much. I hope DSM doesnt see that

lets move on to [Resolve WIP list](github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues)

Xmrsale and accept xmr?

Ideally isthmus will be around for the next meeting when proposal has been groked

would anyone like to vote on deciding if xmrSal ccs should be closed?

Move forward

closed means, that if the proposer turned up tomorrow after close, theyre not getting any monero from the ccs, it will be closed

close and move the funds

Agreed

I think the suggester arrangement makes sense at it is a similar project with potential for actual usefulness

the suggestion for moving the funds is repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374

to entirely fund acceptxmr with the 30 xmr

yes / no?

Happy to answer any questions about it

Close and move the funds

true blankpage i agree

Move the funds to AcceptXMR

plowsof11: yes

do eeet

can we vote to close plowsof/ccs-wip-list #2 also?

I would like to see some input from people are likely users of AcceptXMR (on compatibility/usefulness) as I am unlikely to use it in the near future

archive monero - we got scammed and there is 0.2 xmr left

Is accept xmr still in proposal phase?

close proposal and return 0.2 to the general fund yes/no?

Kek

I agree to close and earmark the funds for accept xmr, still subject to approval of the proposal......

plowsof: to be clear - we're deciding to redirect xmrsale funds towards AcceptXMR?

xmrsale is to be closed. the funds are to be decided

From TFM: "An expiration date for the proposal. If it's not funded or finished by a certain time, the funds can be released to other proposals or the General Fund.. This keeps things moving along in a timely fashion."

If acceotxmr proposal is rejected, split funds for other ccs

acceptxmr is the suggestion / in the idea stage

Yes please recover funds from archive scam

xmrsale's proposal says "This proposal will expire 1 March, 2022."

The guideline on expiration dates does not say shall. It says can. So funds are not necessarily re-allocated. But they can be.

ofrnxmr[m]: +1

Yes, so earmark and use to fund if proposal is accepted. Use for ormther ccs's if not accepted

Archive monero, donate it to loveras proposal

acceptxmr is similar / promises to offer the same / better than the original xmrsale + has 1 year of maintenance built in, for 30xmr

from a known community member

Its still not been looked at as a proposal or voted on

so for definite : xmrsale will be closed

Am I saying there is any reason it wont be? No. But lets not makes mistakes, even if good people and no bad outcome

Agreed

archive will be closed

Sure i vote same as ofrn

Agreed

A major difference with the acceptxmr proposal is that no one votes with their piconeros. Voting with piconeros has been a good check on a proposal's support in the community.

Archive too

I think as ofrnxmr says., if accepted to funds goes to AceptXMR if not, split it for others CCs

iirc funds have never been dispursed to another proposal before so this would be monumental

I'm fine waiting for more people to look through the proposal, seems fair

busyboredom is available to answer any questions / make adjustments on the proposal

Re-allocating to acceptxmr makes the most sense since it's closest in spirit to xmrsale. TFM also says something like "anyone can pick up milestones if they aren't completed."

. +1 for move fund to Standalone AcceptXMR

. +1 for closing plowsof/ccs-wip-list #2

+1 for closing Archive Monero

a bit more time needed for feedback / input on acceptxmr then , but definitely closing Archive and xmrsale

Im voting archive monero gets donated to lovera ccs

nice idea

shall we jump into some work in progress ccs updates?

does anyone want to see a pretty video clip

Oh god

"If the proposer disappears, no problem, someone else can pick up from their last milestone." <- exact language from TFM.

I did a talk with some people at privacy and scaling explorations group yesterday on reddit - maybe monero community would consider some way to do anonymous signaling on whether or not to advance proposals to funding

known community members get invited to group, anyway in group can anonymously signal on proposals

plowsof11: new renders? :)

not trying to go off on tangent, just a thought

Eh

ring signature votes?

I like signing my name to my yes and no's

the reason for moving to another project entirely imo is because xmrsale is a fork, which has fel behind, and is bilt upon monero-wallet-rpc - for 30xmr someone has to resync with upstream, learn it, and we end up with javascript wallet rpc trash

Keeps you honest

Animated videos proposal updates:

I like the reputational damage that comes with disliking a proposal

[updated clip](reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10zi0w…w_animated_videos_animation_example)

semaphor is the protocol, and there is one demo app now

jwinterm: you can have your proposal up on a webpage where people donate to your address using Monero

ZK, not ring sigs hinto[m]

snarks

- [updated story board](docdro.id/wkLPG5W)

and - [script 1](gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-ado…Use%20Monero%20for%20Commerce%3F.md)

Siren[m]: that is what happens after something goes to funding tho right?

alot to give feedback on at the moment, but they have been working on it and this is their progress

plowsof11: that's nice

jwinterm: yeah but not associated with CCS and the Monero community here

well anyone can do that already and no one does that right?

no one/very few ppl

jwinterm: no?

people do, all FOSS projects do that

which CCS proposals that have been funded started out with that tactic?

it's how things are normally

sure

Moneroj.net

I am just saying this process is messy and murky, and was making a suggestion about how to possibly codify and proceduralize a bit more

just a suggestion

atm.monero.is, moneropay

ofrnxmr[m]: They got refused and started their own funding

Endor Solopt Update (profitability.py) - mj-xmr/SolOptXMR #151#issuecomment-1426619628 (he has fixed the script to check for another node woohoo)

like people vote on ccs proposal, then other people claim people who are voting are sockpuppets, etc

Stnby[m]: ^^ yup and are doing Fkn awesone

this would be route to avoid that

more procedure = more easily gamed imo

Stnby[m]: Best wallet for Monero ;)

jwinterm: one way to make it normal would be to only count the votes on gitlab + this matrix room

but then people are yelling about sockpuppet gitlab users

valldrac of molly.im has a demo akp available - a sandbox monero wallet which is able to open multiple monero wallets at once - i couldnt get it work work on my phone but have not tried the new one

ideally a public version of the demo will be available

gitlab admins can verify sockpuppets

this way only people invited to vote would be able to vote, and their vote would be anonymous

they were obviously sockpuppets as well

we all could tell anyways

jwinterm: who decides who gets invited?

luigi1111:

obvs

fair

fair?

that'd be actual gatekeeping

XD

yeah, this is a dictatorship after all

yall are on meth

Or only "community members" can vote

Ignoring macsrocks

And other alts

you guys called johnny mnemonic a sock puppet and the guy made like the third post on the *bit*monero bitcointalk post

lol

donor or donator sirs?

but he never participates on CCS proposals! must be a sock

Siren[m]: They need to drink some

donor obvs :)

Luigi doesnt?!?!?!

+1 for donor

0 for donator

He merged mj's bullshit

lol

He does what we want, as long as we agree with him. Otherwise, he does what he wants

hehe

dont forget the monero events meeting in 1 hour btw

Do we know if it was the same Johnny Mnemonic? Where is the PGP signature?

Any more WIP?

Can we agree to donate the 0.2xmr to lovers before lovers us fully funded?

I think CCS is fucked, wish there was a section at least to list independent projects

sorry, didn't mean to cause digression, I just thought it was neat and would share, if you want to listen to talk recording is here: reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comment…th_privacy_and_scaling_explorations

I don't remember who the fuck but some people posted nearly identical comments, I don't care who it is

Stnby[m]: that's an interesting idea

Stnby[m]: Ey it's better than what unis wap has for governance

Codifying votes seems pointless when the votes are only a suggestion to the dictator anyway. It is more an opportunity to flag up issues, through chats and comments

* Ey it's better than what uniswap has for governance

geonic: monerodevs.org

oh yea Siren[m] tbh I think that was vik, I do remember someone pointing that out lol

0.2 from archiver to lovera

Yay or nay

Stnby[m]: As CCS scams for example get higher budget than legit projects that do their own funding

yay!

so in this meeting: close archive/xmrsale - wait for feedback on acceptxmr. geonics oscar proposal at the least can benefit from adding some reassurances in the proposal that it'll be free, and to discuss formally the possibility of a screening at monerokon in prague

0.2 to lovera seems fine

jwinterm: nobody called him afaik a gatekeeper. I was just pointing out to the list of unusual people who liked that proposal.

0.2 to lovera also fine

free(ly available)

don't make shit up now

someone pointed out that it seemed fairly obvious it was him

free(tm)ly available

did plowsof receive his funds?

1 minute to continue fighting , AOB?

have they paid plowsof yet?

Siren[m]: No

why?

yes siren, i was paid for 2 milestones up to now, thank you all for shouting at me to claim them

great finally

Were busy tryin to pay Geo 12k up front

Siren[m]: Thus is month 4

We like you plowsof, gotta make sure you're getting treated well 😤

ah fuck

He started before the ccs, and is going beyond the deadline

if i claim the final milestone then i lose all my power

monerodevs.org should perhaps be linked from the main website & reddit

Excuse me I don't run the gf

If paid in full, he could ve volunteering. Thats fine. But he hasnt been

monerodevs was redesigned by Siren BTW

Also I'm on a boat

be careful

front end and backend totally new

Hahahahahahahahahaha luigi

give isthmus whatever he wants

as you should be luigi1111 , i hope you are enjoying calm waters

On a private yacht with sgp :)

aka Mitchell

Uh.. boating accident

lost the keys to the GF

luigi1111: 🤣 lol

Pretty sure he meant stfu or I might crash 😂😂

in a boating accident

I'm at a waterpark...watersliding accident?

rucknium will be getting the C++ help they need from an expert team

Need to read over proposal about why up front is necessary

monerodevs does give prominence (and potentially more donations) to projects early in the alphabetical order it seems

Otherwise, im probably voting yes

blankpage[m]: it will be shuffled

its the same as bulletproofs ++ proposal - but in that case - core are going to convert and custody the fiat

also the images will be rendered webp or webm

ofrnxmr[m]: up front to avoid volatility

i would like that to be the same for this research porposal if possible

proposal

Ehhhh nah

Was gonna say, I picked a good name for my project looking at monerodevs ordering 😂

the issue is that the old backend had images as remote content (links), I need to write a script to get all and convert them and so on

core are converting and custodying fiat now?

Lmfao right

It looks great though, bit improvement over old monerodevs

for monoerokon , and other research proposal / audits yes

is that info published anywhere

under what legal entity?

I am sure that an agreement can be made to satisfy people for upfront payment

digitalrenegades iirc

no issue with the work actually getting done

if you make a reddit thread again geonic you are banned

:)

I think DR is being used as a favor to the MoneroKon organizers. not in an official core capacity

I am banned already and I never made a thread :(

Core shouldn't have any official interaction with fiat IMO, just asking for trouble

geonic: DR is binaryfate, which is core

geonic yes not official

I was also banned on reddit. fun times

an affiliate?

Siren[m]: so when he goes to the grocery store, it is the Core Team buying groceries?

Anyway

Transparency report on Monday it seems

surely he can operate as an individual too

geonic: possibly

will follow up the molly im apk / monero thing for us all btw , i think that is the meeting wrapped up now?

liability can be a motherfucker

ofrnxmr[m]: I can unban you if you want

plowsof11: can u confirm that statement please? that the Core TeamTM is converting and custodying fiat on behalf of anyone?

Events meeting in 50 minutes

thanks for all attending, and everyone with 100% attendance who is still in the running for a gold sticker at the end of February

Would be nice to have a 1st ticket sold by then

geonic if you want an official statement contact DRR and ask them wtf theyre doing for monerokon

anyways guys contact ajs_ and purchase a ticket or a t-shirt. if anything goes wrong, you will be refunded or given a ticket manually so don't worry.

no, that's clearly their own business. I've never seen Digital Renegades being conflated with Core Team

(I think t-shirts are also available, but not sure)

plowsof11: is sticker an nft?

s/guys/people/

The conflation is that the volitility risk was the proposers problem

Physical bft

And up front ccs were taboo

* Physical nft

it's one of mb gold stickers

jwinterm: monerosupplies.com/product/reflective-anonymous-money

* of mb's gold

But as long as a core team member says up front us ok, and they will handle the volitility, then things change.

Did _core_ handle that? No, but they had a COI with allowing it

oh nice

what conflict of interest?

because he offered to help? where's the conflict

Its been stated that the volatility risk comes with ccs

DR's services are free of charge and I trust the MoneroKon organizers to keep full accounting

Unless youre friends, then you can get milestone 0's and fiat conversion

in the past, the general fund has donated a certain % to account for volatility to code audits , im trying to find the specific proposal

ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/clsag-audit-take2.html

(Im not against milestone 0's. Im against the "for me but not thee" attitude)

so fiat is not mentioned here, so im wrong in saying that

core are not custodying fiat

ty

they only custody gold coins with the letter M engraved

deep underground

And 16 year old smugglers

or in the trunks of trees, like hobbits

(In custody)

DR where handed monero - from the ccs which they then converted to fiat , but not core

yep

Nioc Insurance Of CCS

our FDIC

i think my legal team are ok with this clarification

SBF this u?

first and foremost - im an idiot

(this is how you should begin all legal documents(

Details about DR's role with MoneroKon is in the CCS

If more info is needed, let me know

were the CCS funds sent directly to DR?

or did you receive them first and forward to DR?

plead the fifth, its a trap

This info is in the CCS

Also check the comments

geonic repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/362#note_20174

appears to be ccs -> dr

yea

was just curious

I don't know how I feel about the GF donating to a CCS and the proceeds of that CCS going to an LLC controlled by the person who controls the GF

maybe that's the COI ofrnxmr[m] mentioned

it's more efficient for sure but can lead to trouble down the road

the downsides of operating in meatspace

geonic: yeah. Thats what im talking about

Also that same person is a sponsor of monerokon

oof

One who was reached out to and prioritized

have any other companies stepped up with offers to help with volatility?

sgp[m] can MAGIC help with this?

MAGIC is U.S. based non profit with its own set of issues

I would defer to sgp but I don't think MAGIC would custody funds for something where the funds were raised via CCS

if fundraiser is done via MAGIC...

seems like a fit for magic

and MAGIC can do xmr fundraisers too, yea?

y

as long as it fits within the mission of the non-profit

seems like a win

Yeah

maybe next year?

<geonic> "sgp can MAGIC help with this?" <- Yeah, but the current setup for the expense process would require more direct MAGIC involvement. The process I was told is that MAGIC would collect funds then send all to a single for profit entity with little other involvement, which isn't close enough for us to justify the charitable mission imho

MAGIC would have to be more involved with paying vendors, people directly so we could justify the charitable activities

I think that's the case with DR currently. they pay all invoices

it's good to know there are options available!

plowsof: would you like to moderate the monero-events meeting? ajs is busy driving atm

i mean im here but i literally have no idea whats going on

we're all in this together, ok

I can do it too

plowsof11: ajs posted the agenda

or monerobull

sure

Has anyone used beldex or heard of them before

Not me

I can confirm they are listed on kucoin now, and have been around for a few years

Also, beldex is a monero fork that has private messaging?

Candidate for 'built on monero' along side town forge on getmonero?

Perhaps something Molly can use / sidechsin / mergemining to secure signal?

I hear that web3 is the future

do we get a masternode?

what is there reason for being?

no devtax? fail

<nioc> "do we get a masternode?" <- You get moniys they get ads

As much as I don't like them personally when I think of it people don't even use stuff like RINO wallet

I don't think people will use whatever this is either

is RINO out of beta?

Rino is on mainnet yeah

thx

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: They were at Monerokon and have been around a few years. Their upcoming features list has everything under the sun.

ofrnxmr: you're likely thinking of oxen

Nah, I Google before posting

Ohh

You mean lokinet

Oxen is POS. Id prefer mergemined POW

glad we have nym network for sponsor

I think we have a winner in the search for a one-word term for “monero user” (like bitcoiner to bitcoin)

Moneroite

not that. not moneroid either

or moneristo

en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/reggaetonero#Noun

may I introduce to you… moneronero!

:D

it’s kinda great

Have you uodated the movie proposal yet with some promises/contacted ajs about a screening at monerokon yet

no. what should I promise? it’s already been said that the movie will

be publicly available

Ideally inside the proposal text

ok, will do. is that going to spam everyone’s email again

Lol there is the description and the .md file so 2 things to edit, 1 change is 1 spam

don’t underestimate me

:D

about movie proposal I have two questions 1) when will some trailer be available and 2) can there be 2 milestones, 50/50 each or something similar

screener link will be available to potential donors

it’s already 50/50 so not sure what you’re proposing exactly

oh it is

you agree also on the proposal?

it’s my proposal so I vote yes

but no one cares :|

sorry about the 'consensus achieved' joke reg movie @ libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20230211#c203439 was just trying to move the meeting along

regarding screening a film at monerokon, we have two stages, but only one is set up with A/V. The film would have be shown after the talks or if we want to show in the other stage, there will be extra A/V expenses to have it set up in stage two

Studio 1 will be for talks

we are using Studio 2 as a chill out area, sponsor tables, and merch table

sounds good. which one is set up with A/V?

Studio 1

is this the one that’s like an amphitheater?

yeah

we have audio for Studio 2

but we would need to rent screen and projector

estimate 2-3k euro

1 should work if it’s already good to

go

for 3 days rental

we can be showing other films

that’s a good idea

creative commons or if get permission from directors

are there any musicians in the program so far?

3k € for renting a projector for 3 days?

seems a little bit too much

you can buy a good quality projector for that price

ya

just off the hand estimate

it this something you guys want, I can get the actual numbers

i would like a private screening on geonics phone also

if cheaper

thanks for discussing this though

<plowsof11> "i would like a private screening..." <- This

<xfedex[m]> "you can buy a good quality..." <- Can rent the entire movie theater for lesd

is this a more suitable place to discuss a new privacy-related trade-related protocol than #monero-offtopic?

beldex list 'geometry labs' as a R&D partner - i wonder if they're the same 'geometry labs' whom isthmus (MRL member) is the Chief Scientist of

caveman you had a several hour discussion about the delivery service yesterday

true. but not enough obviously. this is an ongoing project until one of two outcomes: failure, or liberty.

They want 1000/day for a projector?

Only cost 3000/week (also generating admission fees) to have it played in new york

Enjoy a profitable earnings in forext/crypto currency and earn up to $30,000.00 within 5days, note only interested individual should ask me how

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

Plowsof stop hoarding the get rich quick schemes

Judging by their twitter posts mentioning isthmus, it looks like the same geometry labs. Whether geometry labs is actually a partner or beldex just put the logo on their website is still anyone's guess though.

the currency is in crowns, conversion will be less

1usd is 22.23 czech koruna (?)

WHats a good non custodial option for monero and bitcoin?

pc or phone ?

WOuld like functionality for both

Probably start with PC

Dal[m]: Cake Wallet, Stack Wallet. Or are you looking for something hardware

you now have elitewallet and stackwallet both having majestic swap

I really like Stack. Does what it does, no bells and whistles. But the new Twitter send features in Cake are pretty based

Thanks for the search terms. Ill do some research

Elitewallet is trash

Highly recommend against it 🫡

I actually managed to get a 30 WOW drop on Twitter from MajesticBank and Elite Wallet lol but i moved them to Stack Wallet

Haha thats a good question

Stack, monero.com and cake

What wallets should I stay the fuck away from?

anything with the word "free" in

I'm sure Stack/Elite are all just forks of Cake no?

No

Well Elite and Stack are basically identical from an UX experience

Stack is a fork >>> rewrite

elite is a copy >> old version >> sus features

ah ok

cake wallet is fork of elitewallet no?

it's reversed ?

how is this place different than -offtopic?

Elite Wallet is pretty much brand new.

Cake has been around for a while and has more features

It's important to give people more options

for PC wallets - open source options are Monero GUI / CLI, and Featherwallet getmonero.org/downloads

Like better privacy and so on

on the desktop the only logical choice is Monero GUI

Full Node GigaChad

plowsof11: Can you manage bitcoin in it too?

oh right, sorry theyre monero only

Elite pings external servers on launch, for example.

TheDisruptiveCol: Im about to spin up a node

you mean cake bro?

Dal[m]: If you have the options, i would look at installing a full BTC and XMR node. If you have a 1TB drive.

full node always best and compile app yourself

either that of f-droid repo

stack is first to be on there so far

Setup a Linux box, install Umbrel and setup a full BTC node with Lightning etc and then add Monero GUI.

MajesticBank: GrapheneOS user, will defintely be using Fdroid

Dal[m]: i've managed to get a full node running on Graphene OS using udroid and a Ubuntu container. lol

TheDisruptiveCol: Thats legit

I have some dumper phones in my drawer I could do that with

Old pixels

Same, i upgraded to a new P7Pro so i setup my old 4 and 5A as full nodes. low power, portable.

And recommends you use their very own honeypot.

Tldr. Skip elite and use cake. If you want change or wownero, use stack

i did have BasicSwapDEX running but its buggy, i need to look at it again.

the idea being to have a full custody and DEX in my pocket

literally the only market i can find for wownero is TradeOgre and it sux

Stack is not on Fdroid.

Majestic spreading misinformation all the time, please stop

Elite wallet is not MORE privacy, it is definitively LESS.

desktop CLI

I already gave cake and stack trouble. Elite forked an old version of cake that has issues

Thanks for info guys. Love this chat!

One of the best community's in Matrix

Elite has BAD privacy. I do not recommend it at all

Cake Wallet is what i see most people using.

In the* matrix, not just these servers :)

Is anyone going to Monerotopia

Stack Wallet has their APK on their website.

Thats #1 not fdroid #2 monerujo did it first

3rd party repos for F-Droid are just as bad as adding random repos to your linux install tbh

ofrnxmr[m]: Claiming stack did it first is false

TheDisruptiveCol: Yes

But

There are 2 types of fdroid servers

if you have the know how, build it yourself from their git. Android Studio aint that hard to use

One where you just upload binaries, another that builds reproducible like froidorg

and the Stack Wallet repo is a subdomain on the StackWallet domain, not on the fdroid build polserver

s/polserver/server/

monerujo is community thing, it should have been official wallet I swear

You can host your own build server

Tf

Monerujo is a 2 man team

its still one of the best wallets.

But if you're looking for a bit more of an all round bag holder, Cake is pretty based. plus you can buy gift cards for shit with XMR direct in the app

TheDisruptiveCol: hay not fair we're 3

Im 3 people sometimes too

still waiting for monerujo IOS, most of us forgot that thing is on the way

imagine owning an iPhone

probably will be a blast

you're all going to make me tear, thanks for the support

MajesticBank: believe it or not, PoC is not that far away

going to the efforts of using monero and self custody, and then installing it and holding it on an iPhone is just uberboomer

Monerujo grows like bamboo

looks like it's doing nothing for along time, then all of a sudden

booom

jobs comes back to try it out

if i need a burner wallet i'll make a new profile on Graphene, and just use Monerujo most times.

but yes, we're only 3, and we have other jobs! and sometimes that's difficult, but hey, we do our best and we think it's worth it

TheDisruptiveCol: h*a*c*k*e*r

dude the work you do is awesome tbh

anhdres[m]: slander

does gunter make it 4

yes, of course

i only hack for ramen

i sell my feet pics for monero though

I started working for monerujo a couple weeks ago

Got fired after a complaint

TheDisruptiveCol: that's even better than making memes for wow

ofrnxmr[m]: you were taking photos of other people's feet to sell

anhdres[m]: I'm a man of culture what can i say

you were supposed to only take pics of your own

anhdres[m]: LMFAO Siren:

haha

How did you know ?!

Feet are the real reserve currency of the dark web gentlemen.

Convo getting weird in 3..2...1

I'm afraid of upcoming feet analytics

that's why they make you take your shoes off at airports

they're checking them against the dark markets to spot monero frens

Excuse my autism, i just took 50mg of Addy. Normal service will return shortly.

I got carried away.

anhdres[m]: Lmao

anhdres[m]: By feet?

Fungibility is necessary for any token to be consider The New Money

done.

Wow, anhdres @anhdres:matrix.org: is onto something

i really want some monero stickers for my laptop, but i worry about airports tbh

it looks cool at the co-working space, not so much when speaking to the TSA

By looking at feet pics that ive sold, comparing to peoples feet at airports, they can triangulate me.

I need better opsec

cover it with a Facebook sticker

my laptop has a Monero sticker, a openstreetmap, a VLC one, a CCC one, and I'm still free. I'm doing the canary in the coalmine for you all

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> By looking at feet pics that ive sold, comparing to peoples feet at airports, they can triangulate me.

>

> I need better opsec

The NSA collects all feet biometrics

anhdres[m]: How many times have they made you squat

oh and a paralelni polis one

TheDisruptiveCol: TSA IQ cant handle the processing of what the Monero sticker means

i honestly just use my laptop as portable keyboard and screen these days anyway, and wipe it mid flight, same with my phone. Last time i travelled i just took a shitty ChromeBook and GrapheneOS phone and just powerwashed and reset them when we was about to land.

but people have told me that it's not hacker-laptop because I put them all ordered like in an invisible grid instead of all over the place like a madman

landed at the airport with a blank phone and laptop. check mate NSA

anhdres[m]: This is true, you're not truly scitzo pilled. You need to be more erratic in placement.

TheDisruptiveCol: in Argentina people used to do it the other way around, they filled empty laptops and phones on purpose otherwise customs think they're new and hold them for taxes

now they allow one laptop and one phone per person to be "imported" without issues

anhdres[m]: So be it. 100GB of feet pics it is.

I fuck around

I come to border with a bunch of bullshit, and let them go through it for hours

do you have anything to declare? Yes, I came back too soon

honestly, if a cop or border agent takes my phone or laptop out of my sight, LUKS or not. I'm selling it the next day.

Then ask me wtf that was.

1000 pictures of kittens "there must be something else here. All kittens, bit even an os??"

Haha. Yep. All kittens.

actual interaction

ofrnxmr[m]: IDK if youre punishing yourself or the TSA

nioc: the master

ofrnxmr[m]: phone is mostly cat pics, yes

Dal[m]: Not me

I show up early and expect s 5 hour wait

They're the ones looking in hidden and folders, finding encrypted folders

And all kittens

anhdres[m]: he just waved me thru after that :D

And by kittens, I mean feet

i'm not a US citizen, and quite frankly i refuse to give someone access to my laptop.

I loved last time after Monerokon they made me open my suitcase and shuffle around all my stuff and I had the monero stickers and a party guy fawkes mask for my kid, haha it was like a cybercriminal cliche

they didn't say a thing

lolol

the fact that they can even ask you to surrender your phone pin or laptop password is literally insane.

Hahahaha

so they literally get a wiped device from me.

i've travelled once with some SDR kit and they literally held me for 2 hours and i had to get my company to be like yeah, he works here, this is kit.

HackRF and some other fuckery, think the boomer searching me thought it was a bomb or something

Maybe he was a fellow anon. TSA /pol user

i wouldn't go around thinking that the TSA aren't trained on what Monero is though not in 2023. They probably get trained on hardware wallets etc too

Pretty much every LEA in the 1st world has a cyber forensics officer now, BPD isn't any different.

<anhdres[m]> "now they allow one laptop and..." <- Buy same model phone/laptop and clone allowed phone/laptop into it ez

trollface.png

Customs agents hate this one hack!!!

hehe

next time i might install Arch with i3 and give them the password.

i challenge them to even open a file manager

<ofrnxmr[m]> "LMFAO Siren:..." <- no stealing my toes

<Siren[m]> "no stealing my toes" <- too late

I leaked your toes onto FeetFinder.com and made bank

Bruh

Discovered a new site?

who put the monero stickers at the top of this tower in Lithuania nitter.it/fluffypony/status/1624348577420963840

25:35 for a better view (im scared of heights, wasn't me)

says tweet not found

ah for a moment I thought he himself was in Lithuania

Siren nitter.sethforprivacy.com/fluffypony/status/1624348577420963840 ?

doh, direct link ot the video is easier yes lol

I was gonna say Shiey or Gas

That's their neck if the woods and MO. Climbing towers

i think it was caveman practicing his drone flying for the delivery idea

i don't get why plowsof11 is so butthurt. he is a feds staff?

yeah you didn't believe us when we told you everywhere in Lithuania has these now?

soviet tv tower ain't an exception

bad cat 0_o

Siren[m]: probably someone will sneak this inside the actual nuclear reactor in Lithuania one day

Stnby[m]: the cathedral cellar too, probably

I think we even know who did that sticker, but will wait for confirmation

Deserves a golden sticker lmao

however if we don't know you, hit us up

we have meet ups

I know who did this

* did this one

Stnby[m]: YES THAT'S HIM!!!

madlad

Do we hand out gold stars for based stickering.

Challenge accepted. Time to go sticker up The Bank Of England

we sticked next to european commission building in brussels too

I sticked next to NATO building

but they removed it :(

I was in Brussels a few weeks ago, a beautiful city.

Spent 2 hours in a meeting, spent 3 days drunk

honestly should have next Monerokon in Brussels if we can afford

we would have so much fun

So much beer. So much win

Also. The food is on point. Brussels like like the perfect blend of Dutch chill and French style.

have you tried waffles?

Yeah. I ran through like 11 types lol

we could rent food trucks for waffles, fries etc

And accept Monero for waffles

I'm fkin down

yes!