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Revuo Monero. Issue 160: February 16 - 23, 2023. revuo-xmr.com/issue-160.html

lol

There has been worse

Coral reef, Oscars etc

Chinese Monero forum ...

I mean, Coral Reef at least was up for some time, but that super-expensive Chinese Monero forum was a ghost town in the best of times

The biggest problem with Tesla was that nobody knew a God damn thing about it, back room dealings and such

Wen #monero-history

Wow, very surprised that Tesla ccs was actually funded. I'm glad it was refunded.

It was instafunded

And instamerged

monero . shopping proposal wasn't that bad in retrospect

but we all know that the ccs "funding required" page could not have handled the markdown expertise of the proposer.. it may have crashed the entire thing after merging

But.. rocket emojis

Did elon add Monero as a payment option

No

I dont think hes ever said monero by name in public

Has referred to it though (its a cryptonight, and something about fungibility)

AFAIK Elon doesn't like Monero

He does

Elon likes Dogenero

^^

aka wownero?

He pumped shitcoins for the big dogs, and mentions xmr etc when they are fighting with him

Anyway, when he said "CryptoNight", Musk wasn't referring to the old Monero PoW algorithm, but I think he was referring to the market conditions (a crypto night)

Like "ill make xmr 100x if you keep fucking with me"

xfedex[m]: Nah. Same timeframe he posted about "isnt it too fungible though"

He made a few tongue in cheek threats to his handlers

Edge Wallet accidentally put private keys in log files under rare conditions and then allowed users to send the log files to Edge servers: web.archive.org/web/20230224154236/…dge-security-incident-urgent-notice

> Based on visibility of keys on the Edge logs server, this vulnerability has compromised approximately 2000 private keys by sending them to Edge infrastructure. This amounts to less than 0.01% of the approximate total keys created on the Edge platform. In addition, a spot check of several dozen private keys show that many still have funds remaining. Through this, we ascertain that there has not been a wide sweeping compromise of

Edge infrastructure which would have compromised a vast majority of funds on such keys.

Looks like they had a good disclosure response

You can hold XMR in Edge

I think Edge is "partially open source"

Edge is recommended on getmonero, iirc they are open source but they use mymonero backend

Edge Wallet seems Edgy

best wallet for desktop is Feather, for mobile is Stack Wallet

<Bon 💗> What about elite wallet

Seems decent

CLI

<xfedex[m]> "Seems decent" <- Lmfao

Dont use elite

I've never used it, I heard it's a wallet developed by Majestic Bank

ofrnxmr: Edge Wallet failed to build from source 🤷 : walletscrutiny.com/android/co.edgesecure.app

Stack Wallet is better for sure

otherwise there is Cake Wallet, but for some reason Cake refuses to add Wownero (they prefer listing Haven Protocol which offers private stablecoins that are not stable)

Haven is broken in cake anyway

Stack is the best wow wallet for sure

<Bon 💗> It sure is

Don’t use edge wallet

I find it quite interesting that of all the community drama out there, there’s never drama about the company slurping up xmr view keys

I tried and was cancelled

Lets try again

I dont think any centralized implementations should be recommended on getmonero. Mymonero could be an exception but not sure what sort of connections its making

Unstopped using it when it had a bug that leaked LWS viewkeys to mymonero

Exception because it works with LWS

I stopped* using

I think mymonero and any wallet or service that uses their api should be removed

I disagree. We need a client for the light wallet server.

Again, only reason why mymonero could be an exception is because of lws compatibility

in fact, I have one that is finished and will be released shortly. I know I've been saying that for a while and I apologize about that. I've had some significant hurdles to overcome.

but it is fully open source and fully customizable

myMonero itself now obviously cannot be vouched for

otherwise, I would do so

but you're right that it could be making all sorts of odd connections, and they've had it all sorts of weird stuff to it

not to mention arbitrarily, changing the code, without any reason other than just the fact that they don't like me anymore, despite the fact that they're using all of my code for free and then I've gotten nothing for it

that

MyMonero tricks users into thinking they are actually being private. +1 for removing it, unless it adds a HUGE red pop-up disclaimer like this: "WARNING: if you use MyMonero your privacy will be compromised"

The more people use mymonero the worse privacy Monero has

that's not really true

It shouldn’t be suggested

Yes it is

Mymonero doesnt even use default fees iirc

Yes, it is

it's not true at all because people can use their own server. The problem is not the client. The problem is the company itself.

yeah indeed

So it does fingerprint, maybe not anymore(?)

and the reason that MyMonero doesn't use default fees is because they have rejected the feedback that I gave. My comments on the PR that I was asked to comment on we're literally censored, and then I was banned from commenting on their repository.

It uses JavaScript

hilarious that we call it an open source project isn't it?

Can you even use an api besides theirs

Yes Chesterfield you can

Yes chesterfield: you can use LWS

jberman[m]: ^

I’ve never seen mymonero recommend it

You must not have been around the community very long

it used to be a very important project for this community before they got corrupted

Because myself Seth and grampy had keys leak when we tried it

Doesn’t it cost them less money to have people use their own servers

yes, Chesterfield exactly

Surely mymonero makes money by selling xmr user data

They used to charge $10 to restore(create?) a wallet

while I was there, I had absolutely no knowledge of such a thing

but I must tell you, I have serious doubts about the people running it now

I just want to emphasize the problem is not the concept of a light wallet server

and it's also true the upcoming protocol upgrades will further ameliorate our concerns

Then it should probably be removed as a suggested wallet in getmonero

From MyMonero website:

> We take privacy and security seriously: we support Monero natively because it maintains the strongest privacy technology in any digital currency.

Also, from the same website, hidden in the privacy policy:

> When you access or use our Services, we automatically collect information about you, including: Your wallet’s public address and view key - your private key, mnemonic seed and all the really important wallet information is yours to protect and we will never have access to it.

* From MyMonero website:

> We take privacy and security seriously: we support Monero natively because it maintains the strongest privacy technology in any digital currency.

Also, from the same website, hidden in the privacy policy:

> When you access or use our Services, we automatically collect information about you, including: Your wallet’s public address and view key - your private key, mnemonic seed and all the really important wallet information is yours to protect and we will never have access to it.

> I just want to emphasize the problem is not the concept of a light wallet server

Agreed. Problem is the centralization of it

If cake was going to be removed for having suggestive Monero.com website, why isn’t mymonero being removed for statistically breaking Monero privacy

I don’t get it

Cake isnt being removed anymore

Is fluffy still involved in mymonero

Or never was, but its not a subject anymore

ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah because they changed their site theme

The mymonero situation seems way worse

chesterfield, as far as i know fluffy is both the owner of mymonero and one of the mantainers of the getmonero.org website

i guess it's the reason why mymonero is still listed and recommended

not exactly

mymonero used to be a very contributive project to monero

it funded and helped many things

it was one of the only ones that actually cared

sorry for my failure there

that's why i'm doing my new thing

the point is to be what monero actually needed

problem is i have to do everything myself since i chose not to raise so as to not cede control

so as to avoid these very concerns

i'm almost done

you all will be blown away

Isn’t there something like openmonero wallet

:)

yes

also monero-lws

it all reproduces the "mymonero" api

See, that should be listed in get

I er as well as the self hosting light wallet server instead of edge and mymoner

xfedex[m]: And why she shall remain

i will focus on finishing now where i can. my life has been stupidly hard

The recent addition of View Tags reduces the need for light wallets anyway. Syncing wallets is quite fast even on mobile phones.

s/get/getmonero/, s/I er//

let's add them then

xfedex[m]: sync time is not the only issue

bandwidth and conn speed

Where’s the Monero slave

it's not practical for some

plowsof:

i am the monero slace

slave

chesterfield[m]: Its not production ready (?)

No plowsof is the resident paid Monero butler

Doesn't support subaddresses yet among other things

Vtnerd and jberman are who to talk to about its current status

Oh yeah subaddresses

no

i designed the subaddr api

the others were insufficient

Does she work

it is one of my pending prs

client totally fonished

Let me try it

same as server

ok soon

sorry

Is the or submit yet?

PR*

it's been done for a year

no not yet sorry

but totally built

it sucks having the world on my back

Please hurry

wish i had a real partner lol

Can we remove mymonero and edge from get Monroe endo

i will

Were trying to make progress before grampy dies

Ty endo

chesterfield[m]: your call my friends :)

hahahah

noted

history: mymonero was created at the time when the DB was stored in RAM and some people could not use monero

that has little to do with it niox

also all there was was the CLI

as in nothing to do with it

it is stil lthe only way to make a reasonable ux

you just don't know what you're missing

endogenic: yes, just giving some context fwiw

it should be noted that nioc is a close friend of fluffy

not really nioc it ought to be relevant and true

I know what im missing,

I dont like downloading 30gb over mobile connection

lmo

^

close friend lol

yeah, I remember you saying how much of a good hugger he is

well he is

Gross

my GF agrees

ooh look at you you have human contact

lol :)

i gotta cope with a vicious world somehow

bbl

.bbl

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Were trying to make progress..." <- Hello I'm having some very, very bad vertigo today

I remember crawling on the floor to feed Cat

CAT > human

and mi morono was created as a temp solution

as it was less than ideal

MyMonero is good in countries like Cuba, Venezuela, Peru, etc. where download speed is terrible and monthly data is very limited. And not everyone want to run their lws

how would you know how or why it was created nioc ?

and why do you continue to teach others as if you're qualified?

shady as f

idk what you thought this project was for but it was not intended to be a temporary anything to the people who truly understood what it's fir

for

nowadays the people "running" my monero cant be bothered to even show up here for support

and look at their twitter now

what a farce

it's all about exchanging into other currencies

typical of all these wallet companies that dont give a shit about monero

it's like a rape victim

there are easy technical solutions for running your own lws

the companies now just havent done it because they dont care about you

that's why i was treated badly

wake up.

that's what I remember about how it was presented when it was created. A solution to the problem that people had a difficult time using monero because because DB was in ram.

if I have time maybe I will go and reread the bct thread

just a bit of history whether it is relevant or not now = .shrug

shady? lol

the ram thing has zero bearing

nioc you'd be wise to not invalidate my concerns

but you already know me in person

that's why i know what you are

I am not invalidating anything

But nioc isnt wise, hes nioc

nioc if that were true you wouldnt disagree with me just like that

and scroll back maybe

you are

and now youre gaslighting

heyyy paul can recognize abuse now

sad monero at large cant tet

yes I disagreed that I am close friends with fluffy

monero needs to make up its mind but it wont be able to til larer

no nioc

you said "shady lol"

you are shady

lying is shady

admit it

I lied?

yep

ask me again later if you cant find it

.bbl

The shady part is that we still recommend centralized view key storage

Whatever happened in 2015, IDC. I was born yesterday

Lovera[m]: in that scenario is a mobile wallet viable?

ofrnxmr[m]: I am sure that I saw you last week

That wasnt me

That was rc1. Got scrapped. Im rc2

Hi

I come in peace

Liar

ofrnxmr[m]: true, I just came to see the drama

How may we assist, master dsc

oh just pretend I am not here

Do you like your drama shaken or stirred?

:D

sorry dsc_ but it seems quiet in here

I think endogenic fell asleep

what up

it's me working

or trying to

c++ is awesome!!!!

actually i do think so

oh we were making fun of paul

Endogenic how do feel about txextra

Do you*

good question

Have you been keeping up with MRL?

i feel like standford blockchain conference about it and actually qualified research instead of conflicts of interest and research sabotage

as a person who isnt actually corrupt

but hey

you have to decide what you want

comfort and corruption? or reality and an actual future?

Im asking your view on it in monero

i know

bbl <3

<endogenic> c++ is awesome!!!! <== now here is a real liar :D

> comfort and corruption? or reality and an actual future?

The former being keeping it?

no dude hahah

i'm serious

fuckers inventing new languages mostly dont know how to write reasonable code

some do

but react? please.

Talking bout tx extra, where does react come in

i was replying to dsc

Okok

and in case you think i'm being evasive i will use more thumb lifespan to tell you i was also being serious

i have weighed in in the mrl room to the effect i summarized

That was a riddle, not a summary

right now monero has conflicting guidance on some things

Definitely

So.. remove it?

no

So.. keep it?

we are debating it because we dont know

it's so simple

but some people do know

No, im asking you what you know, or would like to contibute

Yes, some people do know.

And some speak in riddles and therefore get excluded from the convo

it's not a riddle

you/ we. are not qualified to do this research are we?

how about we find someone independent

Depends what handle I use

indeed

bbl

vtnerd's done some nice work on monero-lws recently. I've been focusing more on the Seraphis/Jamtis upgrade. I think the impact it would have on light wallets is awesome, it's got a privacy upgrade over current light wallets

I talked about it here: youtube.com/watch?v=xGEBRQU1lzw&t=727

What OS for phone do people use here ? I am trying to convince myself to get to GrapheneOS but they don’t support a real 1:1 backup, it would be nice if there is some solution like backing up your whole phone to drive. Or maybe there are other solutions I am not aware off.

modul8[m]: Look at Lineage and Arrow as Android replacements.

Less hardenned than Graphene, but support more phones.

Love the approach of GrapheneOS but the support on things are minimal. I didnt know Arrow

movie reviews tricking in: twitter.com/IanNiculescu/status/1629186780116156417

Cake Wallet is now on desktop, starting with MacOS! Join the TestFlight to test our first beta release! cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-arrives-on-desktop

holy moly

It has almost feature parity with mobile, but not quite :)

output selection? :p

not for monero, but that is coming soon^tm

probably not as soon as cake wallet on linux/windows though

nice