ok so we need a jet fund committee

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> twitter.com/schneierblog/status/172…42666?t=-jibkluj9OB08FS69Vk37Q&s=19

<a​js_:matrix.org> Check out MoneroKon "Hot" Multisig Wallet: wallet.monerokon.org

That seems rather spammy

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<h​undehausen:monero.social> Monero Meetup in Munich, Germany!

<h​undehausen:monero.social> meetup.com/south-germany-monero-meetups/events/297275235

whats the reason we can't just use a Rino multisig wallet?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rino has a key

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monerokon is using it

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> There is 2/3

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> RINO has 1, one is your password (user key) and 1 you download if I'm not wrong (in recovery document)

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> The only problem I see with use ONLY this method (only RINO) is that you generated the wallet literally hot 🔥 online

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Would be nice if RINO allow users to create a Wallet offline via airgapped or something like that

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Lovera: Seems like it's on their radar, but perhaps not enough demand yet.

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/zclEUORwhbwQuLeewPYqGYxH

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Did anybody already look closer at the capabilities of RINO regarding more than 1 user? I saw something mentioned like "four-eye approvals". Would that be able to prevent "rug pulls" because no person *alone* can spend funds? I currently don't see how that would work.

<4​rkal:monero.social> Anyone know why my pr is taking so much time to get approved (monero-project/gitian.sigs #262)

<4​rkal:monero.social> Been a month now

ask in -dev. really though? merges are carefully considered and run by volunteers, sometimes it's a slow process. there are several others waiting

<4​rkal:monero.social> all you have to do is check that the sums are the same and are signed by my pgp key. This isn't a merge into core

<4​rkal:monero.social> idk don't mean to be disrespectful in any way

4rkal: the person who does the merges in this repo isn't super active, they usually do 1 round of merges per release, meaning your PR will likely get merged with the next release

You could try to ping TheCharlatan in that github issue, he merges everything there

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also, arent u missing a bunch if files

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Of

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres only 6 files + your key there

true, it's incomplete

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/lHHYJKTRNLnBoraGvFBfGhGy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seems you stopped the build prematurely, or configured to only build the above 3 platforms

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have to build all platforms to join the build party

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > all you have to do is check that the sums are the same and are signed by my pgp key. This isn't a merge into core

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> says the guy who didn't check his own work to see if it matched the other sums from the other submissions.. wild

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Any, its now officially "checked", and the sums do not match.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> thats the # reason it wont be merged, no matter how long you wait. Youll run the build again, and let it complete.

I think it's theoretically ok to not build all targets, but if that's done there should be an explanation why. Submitting all files is preffered.

preferred

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> thanks luigi. Yeah RIAT took a while to gather all the invoices and stuff but they got them submitted.

<4​rkal:monero.social> ofrn am I sensing a bit of toxicity here lol

<4​rkal:monero.social> jumping to conclusions pretty fast there

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mERGE my pR

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> !!!!

<4​rkal:monero.social> Will try to build for more platforms

<4​rkal:monero.social> but we both know that isn't the problem here

<4​rkal:monero.social> I mean why it's not being merged

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So, you thought your pr was complete

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And you submit it before the merges happened?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> An inconsequential pr, that is incomplete, has 0 priority. Ty

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The buils parties have a purpose. The purpose ia reproducibility. not to make 4rkal feel good about having his (incomplete) pr merged

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre not the only person who hasnt been merged, and the other one is a long time contributor with a complete pr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tldr: your pr isnt about _you_ or any feature or fix. Complaining about it is lunacy

<4​rkal:monero.social> was just wondering what was happening. One month is a long time

ofrnxmr: i think it's important to remember that a friendly community has greater potential to be perceived as inviting to prospective contributors, while also being more appealing to current contributors to remain

diego: how much is the last payout from the 36C3 CCS?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Half

And who gets to decide how it's spent?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> So 280

How as in, "what costs for 37C3"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> There is no discussion to be had about how is spent. This is owed money to riat

The original invoice was fiat not xmr iirc

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But to answer the question, I'm guessing riat

If xmr had dropped to zero, we would still owe fiat

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not true plowsof

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Quote from the request

plowof: why do you think its fiat?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "We are asking for 560 XMR to make this happen."

Yeah, i would agree with diego on that one

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The number of XMR was indeed based off of a fiat conversion, but the request was made in XMR.

The inclusion of a buffer

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Is common practice for price volatility.

Intention was fiat value not xmr

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Incorrect.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Nowhere in the proposal does it say that the amount of XMR paid should change depending on fiat value.

At an XMR price of 55 euro, there would have been 15k euros left over. Did we over budget or under spend?

And we as in the XMR community, not Riat (just so that's clear)

And to follow up - one assumes there is ~30k of invoices for the event in 2019?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> plowsof would have to confirm the amount here

Sorry, just reading the proposal. Xmr was handed over not fiat

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> no worries

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> neither? half was given up front to meet immediate needs, such as stage downpayments and stuff

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the other half was to be released contingent on RIAT getting invoices and receipts and everything which, for reasons beyond me, took until very recently to do

ah ok. So there are 30k worth of invoices then.

And the XMR community (including Riat) benefit from the market fluctuation?

This would be kin to monerokon rolling over funds / donating to itself right?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct midipoet

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes

plowof: as long as there are 30k worth of invoices, and the XMR community decides how to spend the balance, i suppose

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> although it should be noted that even this overflow will probably not cover 37C3 in its entirety

Not sure why Riat would get to solely decide

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> so my understanding is RIAT may look to open another proposal for the rest, although it will be much reduced from this first one

Did they put in the CCS?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> since the overflow covers a big chunk

sort of feels like an -events topic

fancy that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> no I guess not. But since they were the de facto runners of the show last time (and this time as well) I don't see anyone else better

Someone will be happy from something so i needed to complain immediately

So its monerokon rolling over funds to the next one yeye

plowof: are there 30k worth of invoices?

*plowsof

Not got the exact figures but iirc its approx 25~ k but we had expected half of that

But again, its a monerokon rolling over funds to itself thing so i have no issue

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ah right. To clarify. That 25k number was on remaining expenses, yes plowsof?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> as in outstanding balances

yeah, i suppose it might be good to see what other people think as well, but from my perspective it would be good (if we view this as a rollover to the next C3 "events committee") that the XMR community has a say in the planning, and expenditure. If Riat and diego want to lead that conversation all the power to them!

I have the exact figures* just not at hand (very extensive invoices / receipts / down to the cent)

Yes according to riat this is the outstanding amount 25ish k

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Meaning RIAT underbudgeted by a lot

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that 25k number was after the half paid up front

in this instance those invoice machines are so handy

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and unfortunately, a committee would be a waste of time right now and more get in the way than anything

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> C3 is in a month and a half

sure, but there is an open process for people to get involved, no?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> of course

To check the validity of the invoices?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> got a Matrix Space and everything, open for anyone to join

plowsof: i am sure AI could do that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> would you like an invite midipoet?

As well as that generative thing it does

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you should come. C3 is a blast!

yeah, i heard

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Were you there one time? I forget. The days blurred to me.

I'd love to come, but i hadn't heard what the story was until now (apart from the telegram/matrix group)

Christmas is difficult for me a lot of the time though, family and such

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> honestly that's because we weren't sure there was going to be a CDC until like three weeks ago

Also, my invoice machine is on the blink, since ofrnxmr snuck in with a hammer

diego: i know. I am in the group

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you just celebrate it another day. ez.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nothing special about the day itself

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that's what I had to do for my C3 years anyways :P

is there gonna be a CfP type thing?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I believe so. I can never attend the meetings cuz they're at 3AM my time >:(

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> all I know is I'm going and running the stage again

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> will apply for a talk or two once I know where that is

ah ok, well hopefully when it surfaces they'll post on XMR forums and get some XMR peeps to go.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not many Monero people I know are confirmed going though

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> in fact I may be the only sure fire one

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> which means you need to come midipoet.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Wanna chill with you again bro

That's cause nobody told the community until now

So I'd blame whomever is the organisation committee or whatever

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said yesterday didn't I?

i was probably asleep

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I did indeed say yesterday and said Monero people who want to go should jion

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> admittedly one day earlier isn't best timing still

Better late than never

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> to be fair, I was kind of expecting it was too late to organize so the efforts would fall apart

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and got pretty busy past couple of weeks anyways

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> anyhow, all Monero people should come

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it's a great time

But then money was found down the back of a couch, so that helps

but yeah, a CfP would be a good start to getting some XMR related talks on

So the monero centric ness of the next event is being questioned?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not at all

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> everyone is actually asking where the Monero guy at

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> *guys

plowsof: most of the people at CDC are monero/cryptocurrency people, just less vocal in these realms, and are busier in their other realms. Riat, for example, have helped/volunteered/talked at numerous XMR events in the past.

Thanks for sharing, did not know this