<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (Couldnt resist. Relevant)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> As far as funding kaya goes, i think posting him on his own, while the public thinks ccs is still fkd, and giving him 8 weeks is retarded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Opposite of reality. People donate to generalfund, theyre expecting the money to be used to support the future of monero.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> either ccs is up and running by tomorrow meeting, or generalfund should pay kaya in full

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 8 weeks to stay silent, another 4 weeks and the whole system is still turned off

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats an entire quarter

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> the great ccs reset

ofrnxmr: how do you think we should get CCS up and running?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> monero.observer/cypherpunk-transmis…king-monero-ccs-cypherpunk-proposal

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> - buddy system / adopt a dev - a trusted third party will custody the funds and every proposal would have a different wallet (which is basically direct funding) [-3rd party custodians, -Extra complexity]

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> can i adopt selsta??

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> selsta wont

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Problem with buddy system

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is what if grampy just dies?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i will provide clothes and shoes and food

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> logistic nightmare

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ccs = escrow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Escrow is what keeps devs honest, and for dishonest devs, lets us stretch the truth about ccs having 2600xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Unfinished ccs proposals with at least 1 milestone collected, required the proposer to work for their money.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> direct funding would only be acceptable if

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. Ccs proposed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. Put in merge queue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. Milestone completed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4. merged and hopefully funded before next milestone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 5. Wait, hopefully?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah that i am not a fan of

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> direct fund = cya bozos

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> im not a fan of putting ccs in the hands of Luigi, cuz luigi doesnt care or take care

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id prefer to give it to fluffy on his tapped phone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Over twitter

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> write zero on ccs projects old then a yr with no commits?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Selsta keeps luigi honest

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> As far as merge queue goes.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not luigi that chooses what he gets to merge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its a good system.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why? Because of selsta

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> is there a list of options for this?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> somewhere

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> in the ethereum

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> All the fun stuff always happens when I'm sleeping. Time zones suck 🤬

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Join us today to talk about MoneroKon fund campaing as well as the Price and the NEW reports @ monero.town/post/1204437

<a​js_:matrix.org> funding.monerokon.com

<a​js_:matrix.org> Call for Presentation should be up soon

<a​js_:matrix.org> Call for Presentations should be up soon

<a​js_:matrix.org> MoneroKon 2024 Volunteer Sign up: volunteer.monerokon.org

Community meeting in 5 hrs 30~ mins monero-project/meta #934

my fellow None Protected Group (NPG) members please join me in opening our doordash apps and going online

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i'll get the match sticks out?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im online, sup

A reminder to all who want to help keep the Monero Konferenco high quality and professional, to contribute if you can on funding.monerokon.com

Dankon everyone.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Meeting time monero-project/meta #934

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Greetings, hello

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Bro's/bitches - What's up. Are we doing this shit, or are you moving off-line?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for the funding link reminder msvb. monerokon call for presenatations is also open: cfp.monerokon.org/2024/cfp , volunteers please apply here volunteer.monerokon.org

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> hey

hello

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gm

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Lurking

Hello.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what would be the purpose of this meeting? an end/round up of the proposals for "fixing" or "evolving" the CCS?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> pay plowsof and kaybanerve from generalfund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> meeting over?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a reminder of where we are at currently: the [WIP](ccs.getmonero.org/work-in-progress) list have funding secured from the General Fund, sent to luigi who then makes payments. The [Ideas](ccs.getmonero.org/ideas) are divided into 2 distinct groups, the Protected Group (PG) - who are core developers / researchers that generally get auto-merged, and the None Protect<clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ed Group (NPG) which would be everything else. PG's have funding secured by either retro funding on the CCS or direct funding from the GF or a combination of the above. NPG's have no such guarantee and must wait until the CCS wallet situation is "fixed".

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> luigi1111 can better clarify if there are errors

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> These groups dont really exist

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I just added plowsof and kaybanerve to "protected"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (that is, if they do exist)

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> hello

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Pro-Escrow (PE) and None-Pro-Escrow (NPE). an example of PE from midpoet: "I think we could establish a list of people willing to be escrow provider...." [cont](libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231124) and an NPE idea can be found at: [Rethinking Monero CCS - escapethe3ra](monero.observer/cypherpunk-transmis…king-monero-ccs-cypherpunk-proposal)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not here because i have an hour to talk bullshit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I do that outside of meetings, in my spare time.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Please stop posting non-solutions

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> further discussion on this happened yesterday [here](libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231124#c306288)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> nowww

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Now, either ccs wallet is uo and running? (i assume its not), or generalfund can start paying out merge queue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Our

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> everybody is orot

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Protected*

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is there anything missing? a new idea/proposal that hasnt been discussed already? Core shuld have enough to act upon?

We need an escrow step/process of some sort, imo. The question is how many escrowers we should have, and whether they should use multisig or not.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i dont even want to be involved in a PG / NPG situation, i'd rather doordash

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> multisig, yes, but not yet.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> escrow, of course.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no multisig = 1

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> multisig = 3/4 and 2/3 donation ans payout

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> At this point, we should ignore what have already been settled, and move to secure a future solution. The CCS have a long record of success, getting fucked up by human (error/malice). The CCS didn't fail, someone else failed.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the 'ccs coordinator' loses 25% of his role and then gets to shoulder his way into the PG. no way lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or 85% , a large chunk anyway

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The ccs coordinator worked for 12+ months and was paid for 6

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> While being kept out if the loop and made to look like a fool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> For 60/90days of most recent term

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "90" (which was really 180)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ofrnxmr raised a good point about kayabanerves proposal being granted 2 months on the CCS page -now- in a Post Hack environment. Pre Hack , 2 months would have been plenty of time i think to achieve most if not all reauested funding. but now, in a post hack time, his proposal may suffer because of the CCS' problems,, which is uncalled for

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not just this proposal, but continued work on fcmp can come to a halt haveno style..

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> there are definitely follow up prooosals

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Were 1/4 of a year wasted.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lets just keep pretending the world will wait for us

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fcmp is essential

can we not use kayaba's and plowsof's proposals to test out new setup? GF can donate a chunk to them if required

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Articmine and fluffy have posted sentiments to that nature, thats 2/7 signers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lololol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we must wait for Cores input on all the ideas/proposals for fixing the CCS as we havn't received any since the last meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> can we not use kayaba's and plowsof's proposals to test out new setup? GF can donate a chunk to them if required

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midi, im actually suggesting the matter for those 2

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> just that monerokon being linked on the funding required page is seems to be a good idea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Latter*

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I should look up on twitter, how to spell "sksualllt".

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > just that monerokon being linked on the funding required page is seems to be a good idea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its a terrible idea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not monerokon, its paying to form a legal entity

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monerokon ccs will come when it comes

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ccs coordinator that reads emails being boosted to funding required paid while actual devs in the NPG look on and starve

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Actual devs should be boosted too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont know abiut you, but i see 2500xmr jet fund sitting in generalfund, LITERALLY for occasions like this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Use kt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> kayabas was voted for merge a long time before i even posted my proposal

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> technically monero now has a dev fund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or.. quit the excuses about not raising money

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> general fund == our dev fund, and we only have 9000 xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No they dont

ofrnxmr: who are you talking to?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The generalfund is not our dev fund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its bareky an emergency fund

I don't understand why we can't stay on topic

which is what is the next step for CCS?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> theres nothing to talk about

Then why are you talking?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> there are actions that need ti happen

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And nobody willing to do anything

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> the idea of promoting legal entities (what the actual fuck) seriously?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i say "give luigi a new wallet"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We will move forward

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> which is fuckin retarded

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> it rests with Core to decide who would qualify for the escrow positions to begin with. at the moment, bF is still happy for luigi to continue the role which is why he asked what community felt @ libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231111

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No it doesnt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if it does, fine

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we can suggest names all we want but they're the ones who have to sign off on it in reality... otherwise we are talking about a ccs dot monero dot com fork

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Your funeral

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No it isnt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They can either okay ball or have a boating accident

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> everyone proposes their magical idea that fixes everything -> no-one will actually work to implement it and/or it assumes other people will -> luigi ends up with ccs wallet duties again

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> we can just skip to the end

So we have a first vote then? Luigi to escrow CCS wallet.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> perfect

1 is Yes. 2 is No.

2

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Clownshow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2

1.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sneedlewoods, you can vote yknow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​svb-lab> 1.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🤣

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> k im out

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the beatings only get worse - you get to be luigis shield again

Anybody else voting?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> thats 2 and 2

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stalemate

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> I would say no, at least as long as it's not disclosed how it happened

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yet we want a 2/7 multisig

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant even get 7 votes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fkn c l o w n s h o w

so 3 no. And 2 yes.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im going to talk to fluffy 🤬

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> nioc voted 1 last meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> N stop wasting my time

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> core runs this bitch? So what am i talking to you ppl for

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> luigi is escrowing the ccs funds already for the PG

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > nioc voted 1 last meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Speak for yourself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ceetee dan and all my 5000 alts voted no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So fk u we win

Do you midipoet have a fast explanation why you vote against the luigi escrow option?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> then the beatings shall continue , just trying to be realistic

Because it is proven to be the source of a vulnerability/threat/attack vector that may surface again.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> S l a p

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> +1 midi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And luigi didnt give 2 fucks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Casually like "oh well"

I would also vote no if fluffy was the escrow provider

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fuck all that bullshit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> fluffy wont be escrow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But if core is pkowsofs boss

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> midpoet didnt you type shouldn't be then should be the other day when asked about luigi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> than plowsof can stfu and do as hes told

That's understandable midipoet.

plowsof: i don't understand the question

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> One way or another, ccs is movijg forwaed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof and some others say "core will do it"

we should leave the vote open for a few more days. Maybe 48 hours

And then move on with the outcome.

So a person like dsc or geonic would be better for the role, because they are less well known. Is that approximately why you vote 2 midipoet?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> It's not that hard. We need wallets for active development, dormant development(jet fund) and a hot thingy to make the actual payouts.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> In a community of developers, it shouldn't be that hard.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Msvb is HILARIOUS

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hahahahahahahahaggahaggagagagad

msvb-lab: i think we should have a few CCS wallets, and escrow providers unknown and rotated

I remember partially the discussion now, okay midipoet.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Geonic is less well known. Lol.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> to who??

I still vote 1 for the strong preference to the kiss factor and historical value.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes trying to win a fkn oscar

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Historical value = balance says 0

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Men lie, women lie, numbers dont lie

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the beatings shall continue until the public outcry reaches a boiling point (could take another month or 2.. or 6)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi and his "i wont be able to do forensics for 2 more weeks" maid attacks are ideal

Can we move on to next topic please?

Vote stays open for 48 hours, i think that's fair.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero development will just die

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 6 months of starvation is a clown suggest bud

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There are no topics for discussion, afaik.

ofrnxmr: what are you on about?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I like this one "strong preference to the kiss factor "

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Kissing who's ass ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its "soo...."

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "have we.. no? Not yet?"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We cant merge anything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This protected and non orotected shit is bullshit

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> What are we voting about?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If plowsof would rather doordash than coordinate, so be it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the next topic should the the CCS ideas list / merges but....

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ill deal with core directly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And by next week, we'll have a wallet

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there would be hardly anything to coordinate .. the PG are self functioning .. monthly updates, guaranteed progress

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> whatever circus games ppl want to think up, can be done while were paying devs and raising money

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You had 60 days of coordinating payments

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Where you didnt know there was no damn money!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the monero core / seraphis devs / researchers have funding secured

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> they wont starve

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because i made a comment out of the side of my mouth about selsta working for free

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats notna solution, jackass

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The jetfund is supposed to cover this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Generalfund _has_ the jetfund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not a "let them do what they want"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We are supposed to be able to look at prooosaks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> As we HAVE 2000 XMR EARMARKED FOR A RAINYDAY

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Fucking bitches. Focus on the problem at hand.

<c​howbungaman:matrix.org> Join us at 11am est (in 20mims)) for this weeks MoneroTopia show. We will have Recanman on to discuss Monerokon and the fundraiser for it.

<c​howbungaman:matrix.org> x.com/monerotopia/status/1728188159…53415?s=46&t=WeY1AyuT6Ir1FNBKKq_Beg

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Problem: no donation wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> solution: make one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Problem: who makes it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> solution: not the person who got robbed blind and didnt bother to tell the coordinator

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> chowbungaman: Cool spam, mf'er.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats doug haha

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> chowbungaman: what time is guest on stage

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there is one topic in AOB to touch on. any closing words on the entire situation?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a vote of luigi being the CCS escrow is open for 48 hours

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> thats hilarious

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I wonder if we'll get memed for that

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not sure about the 48 hours time constraint

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He wont be back til after thanksgiving

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So.. if we can vote in his absense

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> god forbid luigi uses a trezor and never gets hacked again

plowsof: then change it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > god forbid luigi uses a trezor and never gets hacked again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just what we need. Luigi losing the trazor

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> I'm tempted to vote yes, just to get this moving forward, but on the other hand I'm afraid what another ccs incident would do to moneros reputation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> at least a few devs dont want luigi or bf holding their funds anymore.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> imagine if he learned a lesson from this whole thing

sneedlewoods: your indecisiveness isn't helpful

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the horror

fwiw I trust luigi

midipoet trusts luigi just like we all do selsta, but I think the point is to redistribute risk.

he has done a lot of underappreciated work since the beginning of monero's existence

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i know

selsta: it's not just trust, imo. If there is a vulnerability then it may get exploited again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But these days hes on vacation with his computer unattended

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And doesnt give a shit

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I have never made it through the initial blabla niceties, to actual get some substance. It's too boring for my limited attention span. I need action.

The question for me is if we should try for a more complex arrangement to improve security or assume the same thing won't happen a second time (while reducing complexity.)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "if there is a vulnerability" with a HOT wallet that had the seed shared on all kinds of platforms/computers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why would luigi get off his boat for that??

midipoet: well yes he wouldn't use the same setup again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes been using the same windows 11 setup, ssh passwords instead if keys and everything for years

without luigi doing maintainer work who knows where the project would be now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The vulnerability is the person

I think any changes we make, whether assigning a new person or having a multi person pool, would maybe be less secure than giving the role to luigi.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Did I see pictures from Bahamas?

Also, I think luigi has offered to do the escrow which is very generous of him.

and he is only backup maintainer but we haven't found a replacement in multiple years

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If he was committed, maybe he wouldn't he vulnerablen

selsta: he can remain a maintainer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Generous.. lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yeah, no issues with him being maintainer

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> he had a wallet containing 244 xmr that was perfectly fine

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That was the overages wallet

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> why didnt the 1337 hackers take it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cuz it has "ofrnxmr jet fund" written on it

so far I haven't seen a realistic solution other than luigi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They knew better

plowsof: knowing the answer to that question doesn't help in anyway

selsta: that's fine. So you vote 1.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Selsta is a better solution, but selsta is already overworked and underpaid with a shitload of things to pay close attn to

can we at least agree on how long the vote stays open?

And then move on

I don't want to deal with any wallets

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (raise rates plz)

48 hours, is that okay midipoet?

i think it's fine, plowsof isn't sure

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 7 days

We can check the log in about two days.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Meeting in 1 week

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> only if the result is the one i want :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Vote on meta issue

ofrnxmr: agree.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok next saturday sounds good. enough time for core to respond to all this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> _400 comments later_

Plowsof: can you make the meta issue?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> now with 5 minutes left i would like to give msvb the floor to advertise CCC

please clarify its a simple yes, no vote.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes i can make the meta issue , any suggestion for the title?

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> +1 meta issue

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Luigi to continue as CCS escrow?

plowsof: if the outcome is no, we'll figure out the next required vote.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nominations for ccs wallet excrow

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> msvb-lab

It's my turn now plowsof?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes !

Whoever wants to help organise a Cryptocurrency Hackers assembly at the forthcoming CCC Congress in Hamburg, please send me a DM so I can help you get a ticket.

If we have no staff in about a week, I'll cancel our participation.

...assuming it's a vote with our feet against introducing Monero and Crypto at the event.

<m​ichael:monero.social> Best to send the direct message here to my Matrix account, if you want to help. Thanks!

<m​ichael:monero.social> That's all plowsoft, next topic.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Vote

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes luigi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> or no (optionally nominate someone else)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And monerotopia wants some ppl to come on the show (now, i guess)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Vote: Luigi to continue as CCS escrow monero-project/meta #935

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Gentlemen, and bitches - I don't have a problem with Luigi managing the hot wallet.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> We should, however think about some kind of management of secondary mallets. Like sponsors sending to a cold wallet, only releasing funds to hot wallet on majority votes.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I know, it's weird.

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> plowsof: maybe add some info supporting both yes/no sides

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for the vote idea, i should have made that issue after the last meeting, my apologies - it will help clear things up

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> for now i just added "Further details/caveats to your answer is much appreciated."

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i would be biased in my answers telling people why yes is amazing and no is yucky BAH!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i will think/collect the reasons for yes / no later though

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> my answer is something like Yes : but make luigi agree to terms and conditions that remove ALL plausible deniability so that if any such hack happens in the future , there is only 1 conclusion

context is less important, imo, given the amount of unknowns on the matter.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a hot wallet , with the seed shared on the internets / multiple devices is a gaping hole that can easily be fixed

It's either we continue as before (assuming Luigi improves/adjusts his setup to account for the issue) or change something. If it's change something we can then concentrate on what we change to, after this vote is concluded.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok i understand

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so this vote is 'do yo utrust luigi didnt steal yes/no?'

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if the outcome is that people think he didnt steal then we can discuss how he can custody the wallet more securely?

plowsof: no it's not

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Also, they checked some of the alts 😎

And that's unhelpful

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think this vote is a combination of those 2

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok define the vote exactly

we can also believe that Luigi has been a target. And if he maintains the wallet again, whatever vulnerability has been exposed may still be there - especially as we have no forensics (as i understand it)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> true

Could even be his partner or son/daughter for all we know

Could be his best mate

Could be state attacker

Could be anything

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> (has luigi even raised his hand publicly to be willing to custody the ccs moving forward, should people want that, i guess we can find that out eventually)

The fact we don't know is why removing Luigi is the best short term mitigation (imo)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> alright, this is all good context to help people decide

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> explain

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> ^

There doesn't need to be an explanation, imo. There are too many unknowns

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> luigi will continue to hold funds - yes or no

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i am not giving enough credit to the "being targetted" line of thought, i must admit

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we have no idea

plowsof: exactly.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> There doesn't need to be an explanation, imo. There are too many unknowns

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes and no are too binary.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if everyone says yes, what if luigi just uses the old wallet and seed?

ofrnxmr: yes, let's give people the "maybe" option

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> explain: im ok, but not on the same setup

Just for clarity

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> alright, everyone give yourselves a pat on the back, lets meet next week

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok "maybe" if / pending this/that

jesus, we can presume the setup will change

If it doesn't there is no way Yes should even be an option

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

i was joking about the maybe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id assume he wouldnt keep leaving it unattended, but cest la vie

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes not able to access the machine right til after thanksgiving

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i am thankful that thanksgiving is over

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Evil maids are better than wrenches

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets call this meeting it and gather next Saturday .. ideally with some input from Core

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Ah. yes. One for the future ...

Good meeting, dankon everyone.

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> ty plowsof

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank all for attending, apologies to all waiting for a solution :(

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if luigi no because we don't know>> any change also equals no because we don't know

I would say Cat would be an excellent choice but after seeing her reaction to turkey last night she may well have a vulnerability

my 5 minutes is up

.bbl

That was only 4 minutes

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> im a wait for monero observer to tldr the meeting 😬

bob we decided on the 5 people that will do the multisig wallet but we haven't been able to get them online at the same time to set up the wallet

we have been trying to do this for 3 months now so maybe soon

hope that the devs can wait until this gets set up and then wait again an indeterminant time to get paid after it is set up

wait one of the people is no longer available so they need to be replaced first

I am sure the person/people in charge can do this, that is assuming there is someone in charge

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i can get the whip out?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> In the case of a personal data breach, the controller shall without undue delay and, where feasible, not later than

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 72 hours after having become aware of it, notify the personal data breach to the supervisory authority competent in

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> accordance with Article 55, unless the personal data breach is unlikely to result in a risk to the rights and freedoms of

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> natural persons

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> GDPR compliant ccs wallet?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What for? Ccs wallet is in a pirate zone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (doesnt even exist :D)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> .. and im a legal entity, but _we_ arent

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also.. we need 60+ days to do anything

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Where the supervisory authority is of the opinion that the intended processing referred to in paragraph 1 would

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> infringe this Regulation, in particular where the controller has insufficiently identified or mitigated the risk, the

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> supervisory authority shall, within period of up to eight weeks of receipt of the request for consultation, provide written

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> advice to the controller and, where applicable to the processor, and may use any of its powers referred to in Article 58.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> That period may be extended by six weeks, taking into account the complexity of the intended processing. The

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> supervisory authority shall inform the controller and, where applicable, the processor, of any such extension within one

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> month of receipt of the request for consultation together with the reasons for the delay. Those periods may be

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> suspended until the supervisory authority has obtained information it has requested for the purposes of the

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> consultation.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> has 8 weeks

07:24 <midipoet> So we have a first vote then? Luigi to escrow CCS wallet. 07:24 <midipoet> 1 is Yes. 2 is No.

1

voting "No" until we have a better alternative seems silly

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 2 - 2

if it wasn't clear, I vote 1

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats terribly unclear

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You said no but voted yes 😂

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <n​ioc> if luigi no because we don't know>> any change also equals no because we don't know

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i get it now, that was sarcasm earlier?

well it wasn't reality