<m​arty22:matrix.org> had someone ask tell me the issue with crypto is that you have to pay taxes on it, how does that work for Monero?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You are honest and declare your cryptocurrency hodling to you're master, or you don't (Be Bitcorn or monero, they probably have a box to fill in the tax form for the total amount you are holding or something like that).

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> There also view keys, if you want to expose you're wallet transactions to a third party

<m​arty22:matrix.org> My understanding is that is the issue with the kyc centralized exchanges

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Centralized exchange can generate tax form for you (for all your gain / losses statistics for your account in the exchange.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The probleme is that they can't track the monero. Nothing related to taxes imo

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The admins want to know where to money go, and be able to follow it.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Some country, like say , Canada for this example, if you use any exchange and you withdraw to a new address, they ask for the name, address, etc, etc of the account owner...

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> for all available crypto

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Some country, like say , Canada for this example, if you use any exchange and you withdraw to a new address, they ask for the name, address, etc, etc of the address owner...

<m​arty22:matrix.org> This isn't really the way crypto was intended it is no longer anonymous and has become more about investors trading

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's the only way

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Banning it directly would result in a massive outflow to privacy coins, the admins know that and don't want that so they are doing it the slow way while be sure to not produce advertising for monero.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Supportxmr down?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Cant access the side, but the pool still work...

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Supportxmr down?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Cant access the site, but the pool still work...

<m​arty22:matrix.org> works for me

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> oh yeah, it was in some malware list blocked by stupid vpn 😂

<a​remor:matrix.org> So #haveno:monero.social

<a​remor:matrix.org> Element is so horrible

<a​remor:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/bEgUedjpXdQfbZsmyWetNzyv

<m​arty22:matrix.org> what option do you recommend?

<a​remor:matrix.org> I don’t have one really

<m​arty22:matrix.org> Yeah, at times for me at least it seems heavy slow

<a​remor:matrix.org> The biggest issue that I see is that 1) people want everything done for them and 2) people refuse to do research and educate themselves.

<a​remor:matrix.org> “But but but but….. I have to exchange it for fiat at some point….”

<a​remor:matrix.org> — “so demand that your vendors accept crypto”

<a​remor:matrix.org> — “but but but but….. that’s work….”

<a​remor:matrix.org> “So die a slave to your fiat masters then. It’s either one or the other”

<m​arty22:matrix.org> Thing too is that they didn't know what Monero was only bitcoin Ethereum and some meme coins so telling

<a​remor:matrix.org> That’s better than the reality. Most were introduced through some shitcoin that went to zero and now they think that all crypto is a scam.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nah. Erc's understanding of matrix rooms is

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno room is misconfigured

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (..always has been) meme

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The Haveno room stopped working because the server that created it was taken down and never brought up again. The haveno infrastructure has been abandoned to itself since the moment i left. It's not maintained and most of it is offline.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> But i'm familiar with ofrnxmr's unarrestable urge to talk out of his ass.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The haveno room stopped working because you never added monero.social as an alt addrrss properly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nah, youre familiar with fucking up your ccs'

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Right chief

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My memory is not as bad as yours

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> also: all one has to do is look at the haveno room's config to see that its never been properly configured. Just like no-wallet-left-behind wasnt, and just like -site wasnt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc doesnt seem to understand that you can only add primary addresses if youre a member of the homeserver of the address.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so if hes not on monero.social, he cant add monero.social as a primary addy.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I take that for you for some reason not configuring a room properly means not adding a monero.social address.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> which is why

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - site was matrix.org,

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - nwlb was haveno.nerwork

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - haveno doesnt have a monero.social

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> You have no idea what you were talking about

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> *are sorry. Still clueless

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Says the guy who cant configure a room

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Are you going to reopen your ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or did you just come to make up bullshit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> False

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fact: its unreachable because it never had monero.social as a primary address

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ..but it has it as a local addr, lolz

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/OxEFbyrTBJZoADsfwAXBYBWG

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The haveno room had only an haveno.network address. The server hosting that mother server was never brought back up, that's why the room was down. If there are other addreses it's because they were added later. No idea by who and i don't care.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Monero.social arrived years after most of the matrix rooms were created. If people want to add it as an address they can, but there is no technical reason to do it

<k​illercat103:xmr.se> > The server hosting that mother server was never brought back up, that's why the room was down.

<k​illercat103:xmr.se> ngl that's usualy what gateway error implies

<k​illercat103:xmr.se> (HTTP 502)

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Again, i haven't seen pr touched haveno's infrastructure in a very long time. No idea in what status if is now and as i said, it's probably unmaintained

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/meta #549#issuecomment-780197739

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tf ru talking about

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> If people are interested in haveno's infrastructure i suggest to ask the current maintainers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno is maintained

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> "Infrastructure"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And will be releasing soon

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ah

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who cares

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Yeah count on that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We want out frontend in 6 mths, scammer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lolz

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Our*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You oromised it in much less time

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And raised a lot of money to put a frontend in it.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> why the sarcasm? Did you scam us?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This was YOUR project, wasnt it?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> No idea why i waste my time with this moron

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Muted since you are allowed to spread your bullshit freely.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Run forest, run from the truth

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well there is a frontend sitting in work in progress without a booty

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/hilCCPZNLTzVCaNYzxAEIFxZ

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I can only say the agreement we made when i left: the haveno core team would have assured that the frontend would be built. For what i know now they are focusing on getting the platform ready with the old frontend and then they will starf to build the new one. For update info you should ask to them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "when i left"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How about when you proposed the ccs

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> So please don't bother me about delays or other stuff about Haveno. According to our timeline Haveno should have been ready max last june. Ask them for info

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I have no updated info and i haven't been part of the project for quite some time

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> woodser: this is all your fault 😠

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> jk. Its really plowsof: to blame

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Had no ccs coordinator at the time.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/uWVFAnPuTyrGrOKAkhxPYbYC

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So i get a dm invite from erc ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> hes banned me from rooms that i am not even in? (-site? What else does he admin?)

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lol. I should have bet money on that screenshot appearing

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> should have done it long ago.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You left the chat pussy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And banned me cuz you've got some personal issue.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont even know where im banned from, coward bitch

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> still no idea why they allow you to transform every room you are in in a toxic mess.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc got fired ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Have fun with your fundraisers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not "allowed" anywhere

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> To be "allowed" must mean someone is giving me permission.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You credit yourself for removing mooo's donation address and refusing to upload diffs. Youre malicious

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You sold haveno backend while begging for money for frontend

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre malicious

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You stopped working when price dropped, yet cried like a bitch 2 days ago when asked to adjust your prices since price went up this time

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> and that's it. As soon as one bothers you a little, there it starts the stream of nonsense meant to personally attack somebody. You are human trash

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Everybody KNOWS the facts bud

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You tried to shit on diego when diego came back too. Youre a cheap ho bro. You take bribes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway. Back on topic - where do you admin?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah please send bribes my direction

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -site? Not for long!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Where else?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ErC:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Where do you have admin or moderation powers?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> your attempts to marginalize the people you don't like have been ongoing for a very long time. If you want to pretend to have more relevance you have to step up your game.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, no i dont.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You see. You would have your 51xmr, but you decided to tell yourself luigi has more relevance than ofrnxmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Get with the times bud.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero isn't low hanging fruit anymore

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> get tested bud, you have issues

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I stand up for you, get you on the merge list, and youve done nothing but bitch about luigis comments, close your ccs, and cry foul

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Everybody was merged, every ccs was funded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You just couldnt wait a few hrs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im still wondering why an admin/mod slid ib my dms to tell me he banned me in every room he admins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And wont tell me which rooms those were

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> you are a manipulative person who spend their time putting contributors one agaisnt the other and creating an unwelcoming and toxic environment to reach your personal goals. No idea why they give you those ridiculus temp ban if you come back doing the same shit over and over.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> _everybody was merged_

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Your bullshit fantasies are just that - fantasies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because banning me permanently means there woukd still be no merges and no wallet 😆😆

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i purposely deleted my ccs right before it was about to get merged. You might have gotten the feeling of that when i asked luigi to not merge my ccs...

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> alright we are in full nonsese area now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No.. i want around

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I went to sleep and woke up yo see you deleted it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> wasnt*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I wrote the merge list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I forcefully tabled it at dec 9 meeting instead of talking in circles for another 2 weeks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I proposed the back payments and the source of those funds

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Question was it urgent that the website needs to be updated?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> wdym

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> The ccs

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Closed it cause it didnt get merge

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounded urgent, if couldnt wait

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He just felt disrespected by luigi hinting at him happily accepting the appreciation in value, but being a hypocrite when price drops

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounded urgent if a song and dance was made about it not being merged

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> what is judecoin also ETA polyseed into Monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its been exactly 24 hrs << are you goin to ask soon?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ""Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices." <- that's something to say and still doesn't explain why only mine needed the price to be adjusted but the others got merged anyway. The only answer for now seems to be that **i should have started to work already, which is absurd.** There was a lot to say it seems."

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> well, to be paid retroactively, yeah.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You dont get paid for _not_ working. (otherwise id be the richest human trash in around!)

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i never asked to get paid retroactively.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> you are brandolini's law personified: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i'd like to go back to work now if i'm not forced to defend myself from bullshit claims. Can i or you haven't wasted everybody's time for long enough now?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You asked "why am i in the `maybe regular` group"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because the non-regular group was to he paid retroactively

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Be*

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i didn't know what that was. That's why i asked. No idea also why i have to talk to you about this, plowsof is coordinating the ccs no? You seem to only be creating a lot of confusion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The PG aka the protected-group

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We discuss here every 2 weeks

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You would of been funded if you waited for plowsof to come alive

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not even. Plowsof was having fun

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Also for anyone. If you have a proposal come to the meeting then shit like this wont take so long.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He knew the list, and knew i sent to luigi

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Live Q & A

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Well, really, erc's was never discussed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was just put on the list by me, and voted on quickly

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I had included 2/3 milestones of backpay, and erc opened his fat mouth and lost himself the whole ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #blameplowsof is trending now

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Then proposer can ask “ whats the status of my proposal”

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The status was

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LIMBO FOR EVERYBODY

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then ofrnxmr msgs luigi and said WTF YA DOIN BUD? GET YA MERGIN

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And he said "we gotta test the walletz"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So ofrnzmr sent the first deposit, and the second deposit, and plowsof sent the overpayment

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Jetfund was stuck in quarantine

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I never asked to get get backpaid, even in past when volatility was insane. If you are saying the truth (ah!), then the ccs is even more messed up than i thought. Since multiple people send lists and, plowof, the coordinator seem to have been bypassed. Anyway, sad to see what was the backbone of monero development funding decaying rapidly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then we got to merging!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> issue: he merged the wrong ccs'.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so i asked wth? Why arent the other 4 merged. And he said blah blah. And i said haha k, merge em.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There was NO bypass

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The list was VOTED ON at the meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And CONFIRMED with plowsof BEFORE sending to luigi

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Im a helping plowsof do a focalboard

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "decaying"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i see 998xmr in donations in under 1 week

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> There are multiple versions of this apparently, depending who tells the story. Again, happy to have left this mess

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, there is 1 version - the one you saw live

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thing i dont get

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Your going to update getmonero?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dan - erc does most of the work on the website github

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Has for a long time

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> did. i reduced my activity on Monero drastically when the community at large became a shitshow and now i'm also working on other projects.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> .. still wondering what rooms i was banned in

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> monero-website (monero-site) and monero-translations.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ok so not going to update

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Need to find someone else?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> My intention is to open private funding and keep working on website and weblate.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> more contributors are always welcome

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> but yeah i'm not 100% dedicated to Monero like i have been for the first 3-4 years. Things were different and i was doing what i was doing for the community. This is not the same community so my enthusiasm and volume of contributions are not the same

<a​remor:matrix.org> I searched through the website and couldn’t figure out who the maintainers are

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s possible to run it on mainnet right now?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Woodser is the lead maintainer (or at least, he looks like it)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I sent you an invite to the room. That should work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Response to mainnet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "the legacy ui from bisq is nearly stable enough, expecting first thing in the new year"

> But i'm familiar with ofrnxmr's unarrestable urge to talk out of his ass.

"unarrestable" is a fantastic word!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I like it too

<a​remor:matrix.org> Worked like a charm

Seriously though, mods, why do i have to wake up to people calling others "coward bitch", "cheap ho" and making accusations of "crying like a bitch" and "begging for money". Why is this tolerated? It never has been previously and SHOULDN'T ever be.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> because theyre all true 😆

Who the fuck is mod is this room, and will they please act as they are supposed to?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Resolutions (Mod Support)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Oh wait. irc isnt allowed in resolutions... hm

sgp ^ monerobull ^ dEBRUYNE ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anybody with banhammer

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hand up ass

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im only mod in the cool rooms

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its been exactly 24 hrs << are you goin to ask soon? <== I think nobody actually knows ^^

wallet devs need to unionize and demand polyseed or else go on strike

<a​remor:matrix.org> That took about trading has a matrix bridge?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monero-markets has one

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> (discord bridge)

<a​remor:matrix.org> What’s that project that was supposed to be a rust implementation of atomic swap that someone with an alt that was like kabayaba or something was working on?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its been exactly 24 hrs << are you goin to ask soon? <== I think nobody actually knows ^^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I do, sorta

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Seraidex

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> not atomic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> AMM

<a​remor:matrix.org> Ah yes, Serai. How’s that working out?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Id say mainnet within the year

ofrnxmr: ETA

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sorting inconsistent implementation among mobile wallets regarding spend key mismatch bug without passphrase, then pr to core

cool :) so it is at least WIP

ty ser

<a​remor:matrix.org> Last commit 2 months ago

<a​remor:matrix.org> And that was only docs. 3 months for code

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Serai? 2 days ago

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> github.com/serai-dex/serai

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Been busy cooking with seraphis

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And FCMP

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kayaba is perhaps the most hardworking dev in the entire monero space

<a​remor:matrix.org> smh my bad.

<a​remor:matrix.org> The link was to a subset of the project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, kaya's a beast. Thats not to say anything less if anyone else

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Gone on holidays since funded

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hooks and blow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not even sure id say "in monero", but in general

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hookers and blow

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/oCELFsIaPlmTnQoAwRXgtOdK

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> literally just now

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lukebot

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Remember how he was given 8 weeks to try to obtain funding

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> that was funny

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah and he got it day 1

Added started by tobtoht to this multisig UX bounty, bounties.monero.social/posts/83/15-500m-bitmessage-rival-or-re-write the future of the CCS / entire project depends on you and somehow scams on kuno raise more funds, wondering how to raise more awareness

<r​ucknium:monero.social> "one guy (pat) who's not on reddit is looking to complete [BCH<>XMR atomic swaps] and he asked me if I know some js libs he's well versed in bch stuff, maintains bch libs and built a dex, and I thought to help him out get started" reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/18w2lv…javascript_dev_resources_for_monero

<r​ucknium:monero.social> So we may have some progress on that soon. bitcoincashautist, the OP of that Reddit thread, is the creator of the barebones BCH<>XMR atomic swap implementation.

Oh interesting.. maybe woodser could help

at least I could scroll thru the scrollback without needing to read it

*most of the

<w​oodser:monero.social> if they can find how to do it natively in c++, it can be exposed in the typescript library without much trouble

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> clean it up, janny!

<j​effro256:monero.social> Pinging @luigi1111 regarding milestone payout: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/421#note_23098

he was aware of it being posted right after but usually waits 7 days after update before payout incase you have gone rogue and gets blamed for doing something wrong again

(DM on irc to ask for payout >7 days after update confirming a few chars of the payout address matching your request on the gitlab)

<j​effro256:monero.social> Pinging @luigi1111 regarding milestone payout: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/421#note_23098 <= got it

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Pong

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Time delayed payout

always DM it's much easier to follow than messages in this channel

unless matrix can't DM then oh well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dm who though

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1111 1111w 11112

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (i remember - you said "all of them")

Thats part of the "test"

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> solve the puzzle to win

listen if you can make a proposal on some obscure website you can DM some luigi guy on irc

<c​howbungaman:matrix.org> MoneroTopia show is always available as a platform to raise awareness for such efforts.