<a​remor:matrix.org> Ok I’ve been away for about a year. I wasn’t around when the hack happened. What moves have been made to make sure it never happens again?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Rolled back the chain

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Like it never happened

Filled it with cream as well, was pretty nice served cold

aremor: currently offline wallet with qr code transactions. Medium term plan is improving multisig and having a reasonable signer count

random pastebin alert

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Lol, asking for money

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> I've lost my life savings because of (((hyperinflation))) and banks rugging us here kek

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ^antisemitist simbology. Just in case this place has still mods who care a little bit

the earlier version of the post did not use symbolism but was explicit

Libera is aware as it is site wide

one of our community members is working on mitigation for our channels

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> are you serious?

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> they literally bombed beirut yesterday

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> im scared shitless every day

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> and its symbology* kek

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Fr they bombed Beirut?

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Didn't see that

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> My country will only report on the kidnapped Jews

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I even saw people having propaganda ads on yt #bringthemhome

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> These internet fueled propaganda wars these days are crazy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Simbology?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> A building Beirut

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like mufasa?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Some Hamas person

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> A building in Beirut

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is erc complaining about lebanon being antisemetic?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Isnt that from the lion king

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Simba is too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or about the ftx spammer 🤣

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe he stillnis oblivious to the daily "ftx jews" spam

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Apprantly your nick cant be a country

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "i took that personally"

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hakuna matata

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LebAnon: change your name please. Im offended

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hamas matamas

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "IsReal" is acceptable (i think.. gotta ask ErC: )

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I'm referring to the user above my comment using the ((( for "hyperinflation" a clear and known antisemite way to refer to jewish people.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> So again i'm asking mods to do their jobs

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats a new one for me

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The triple parenthesis is a known antisemite symbol

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> So: sgp_, dEBRUYNE, nioc or whomever else shoud moderate here.

the forbidden sequence

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> What happen to the good old days when you just say what you mean

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I ask myself what happened to the good old days when this kind of crap wasn't tolerated

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> It was just done in secret

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And also kkk was one of the biggest organisations back then

i was not even aware about this ((())), kids these days

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> No. Shitty people from 4chan weren't around. We were just a bunch of people working to do something cool.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> TIL

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did you not notice that hes joking about the spam?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> or are you just talking to hear yourself

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So is 👌🏻 allowed?

no its not allowed 123bob123, please refer to the 200 page .pdf of how to properly communicate without hurting anyones feelings

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tldr?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> RTFM

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its on monerokon/meta github or smthn

(i was joking)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol free zone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> (i was joking)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.to/#/!qqRhJzAUfTJRpMHqIP:mat…social&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> for those unaware of where the jew comment comes from

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which has evolved into the spam which lebanon parodied

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well if they are from Lebanon ofc they would hate a jewish person.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And tbh, is it really antisemetic if your from lebanon? I hate all men equally

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i assume jewish people arent too embracing of folks from hamas either

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> They just hate all

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does that make peter todd a warmongering dog pos? Yes

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Anyways

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Where is my multi sig!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you arent fighting or involved, you should really just shutup

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Last warning:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LebAnon: change your name please. Im offended

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (jkn)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> All complaints plz email hardware⊙go

The great 4chan infiltration. This explains a lot.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tf?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof: was that you?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> forwarded to admins for further investigation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Investigation?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That's excessive, he didn't even use it the way that's described here en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The message he posted was a copy paste of the spam, with the word jew removed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And replaced with the parentheses

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc took this to twitter

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> twitter.com/ofrnxmr/status/1742526736720331117

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This isnt a community issue, its kid shit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Man is too proud to keep his ccs open, too proud to reopen one, now hes shitting on community and blaming us for his inability to wait for plowsof to wake up and confirm what the consensus was

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Doesnt come in this room for any reason other than to throw temper tantrums and try to cancel people

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> erc woke up like "fuck coffee. I need to ban someone today. That will make me feel better".. .. "ANTISEMITISM!! THREATS!!!! ITS ROTTTTEENNNNNN"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lebanon got caught in the crossfire like orion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and fwiw, ive never used 4chan

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a mod seen the report and took action immediately, and its now in resolutions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was right click > reported? Lol. Even funnier

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if he had the power he would have just banned everyone and send everyone some dumbass dms

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like how he banned me from fucking TRANSLATIONS

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He wants to call me malicious, but hes banning me from rooms that i dont speak in 💀, because he cant ban me in the rooms where i do speak. Thats real professional

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And what did i speak about? I tried to pay him 2/3 milestones for work he didnt do

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Now its plowsof's fault (clearly) and community is a sinking ship

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (according to erc).

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does nobody realize this is the first ccs merger weve had since (before?) Sept?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Malicious is showing up during the merger to throw a fkn tantrum and then blame everybody but yourself

<s​pirobel:monero.social> BS. its an echo

<s​pirobel:monero.social> revoke admin rights and ban the person who was banning for being a sissy

lold

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🫠

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> "Immediately" is almost 2 hours ago, but good that somebody took care of it least that. Of course, as usual who reports shit like that get insulted and harassed by people here, as th last hour of messages in this room can show

cmon dude just take a chill pill

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just leave the room, erc

who cares if some random IRC persona called ofrnxmr has a different opinion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You dont want to be on ccs anymore

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the mods you pinged are asleep, and i just so happened to see it after scrolling up, i don't know how long or what timezone my laptop/matrix stamps are in but it looked to me like 40 mins later.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> What a stupid take man

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> who cares if some random IRC persona called ofrnxmr has a different opinion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 100

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its now in resolutions for discussion #resolutions:monero.social

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> But at least sane people lurking in this room can see what shit one reporting antisemitism in monero channels has to go through

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Libera folks cant tune in plowsof:

you think its antisemitism because someone wrote ((()))

i think you are being a bit uptight

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there was a ban for antisemtism here not so long ago

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats just erc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Always stretching the truth

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "threatssss"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban

i come from a partly jew family so if anyone should be offended maybe its me

...

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Qh fuck off

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dsc, youre a jew? #dumpingmywow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Jk

its true though..

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero doesnt see colors or races or ofac sanctions

just chill

:D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And doesnt fund wars via inflation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If im abtisemetic, i dump my xmr for euros and pay taxes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then send aid to hamas

crypto communities have always been a dumpster fire of young annoying turbo nerds

thats why it is innovative

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The Monero cmmunity was the best around before trolls from 4chan and enablers like you

yeah go fuck yourself

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Just take a chill pill man, isn't thag the solution? Maybe you have more of these superwise takes

maybe spend some time learning how to program instead of crying

you had how many years for that?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Enabling the use of punctuation❗❗

/ignore -regexp -pattern "erc:cryptoriot.org" #monero-community

an auto gift card redeem attempt is also in progress here bounties.monero.social/posts/27/3-000m-gift-wallet-on-paper

monero observer milestone 1 + 2 + 3 updates repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/414#note_23123

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I'd really much appreciate if all the antisemites and enablers around here would do this.

loveras november update repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/406#note_23131

now back to fighting, sorry

this guy calling me an antisemite enabler

also my regex doesnt work, fail

can someone post a pastebin link, like the spam does? without anything else in it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stop fudding, plowsof. Ccs doesnt work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats what i see on matrix 👍

I removed it with <probably PasteBin spam>

but seems Matrix dropped it as tags

a paste bin dot com? paste.debian.net/1302909

is the bot active in dev channels? maybe people use it there

I could not limit it based on user, sadly

it targets only messages that ONLY contain the link

and only to pastebin.com

here are my important error logs which i need help with thank you in advance pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf

<s​pirobel:monero.social> you know whats funny: this whole insinuating talk about "le evil people" in ze community that "WE" should "speak out against" is the same exclusionary speech pattern

<s​pirobel:monero.social> its literally an echo of the same thing

<s​pirobel:monero.social> its an (((echo)))

<s​pirobel:monero.social> of the same idea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero doesnt know what a jew is. Maybe plowsof is a jew 👀

<s​pirobel:monero.social> IDEA: wanting to exclude someone or a group of people

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And thats why we always blame him

I looked into channel modes and libera.chat doesn't let you set such filters, well, sysops should have that power

<s​pirobel:monero.social> nobody gives a fuck about labels anymore it is 2024 lol

one sec, restarting bridge again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And thats just an observation. There are real antisemites around. Lebanon isnt one of them (at least not overtly)

should be back now, it dropped the last few messages sent on Matrix

test pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf

that is more explicit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf

I don't enable it Matrix -> IRC

only IRC -> Matrix

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (they arent using matrix - just testing what happens if sending from matrix)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 👍👍

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I dorked for "(((hyperinflation)))" and couldn't find any previous usage

ping me if you see other fun spam - probably at that point I'll just edit the code

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <D​ataHoarder> [probably PasteBin spam]

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LGTM

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dorked for "(((hyperinflation)))" and couldn't find any previous usage

thats because in 1929 they did not have 4chan

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Those quotes wont protect you, siren

<s​pirobel:monero.social> this whole thing can be summed up with: erc is burned out and getting erratic

<s​pirobel:monero.social> and as a result he is picking quarrels and provoking trouble

was also my conclusion, in which case hope he is doing well soon :)

i wouldn't describe erc as the most erratic in here

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> dude, i get attacked for calling out antisemitism. Why are you even engaging with them?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> we are all nazis lol

<s​pirobel:monero.social> dont talk with the nazis midipoet

erc: cleaning the shit out of cuckoo clocks can be addictive

<s​pirobel:monero.social> the whole monero community is infested with nazis

<s​pirobel:monero.social> hans get the flamethrower

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lol

<s​pirobel:monero.social> we need to cleanout the community

via CoC

:)

<s​pirobel:monero.social> hans get the coc

That explains a lot. some in here probably love huge long cocs but don't want to admit it

just remember, monero is inclusive.

wasnt it sgp who attempted to introduce a pretty long CoC?

jokes aside, this room could have been chill if we just banned that spammer and went on about our day

we can't ban anyone without committee meetings dsc

look at the coc

and even then, we have to ask to have a committee meeting at a committee meeting

are you serious :D

and only then can we all look at the coc together

if people show up

Cause if they don't, nothing will get enforced

mainly as mods are on holiday

or they resisted the coc

this does not sound efficient

not the most efficient process, no.

I blame the coc

is there one?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah, weak mods and nonsense burocracy are part of the reason why the quality here became so low

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The resistance to an even basic coc tells already a lot.

what does it tell exactly?

that not everyone shares your opinions?

the peanuts have won

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i disagreed with sgp about many things, but he was fully right in suggesting to add a coc and not using one was and is a mistake

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> grow up dsc

you only function in bubbles where everyone shares your views, got it

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Monero was always full of people with different opinions. That hasn't been a problem until the army of morons arrived from nowhere and started to attack anyone who wouldn't let them do whatever they wanted. and it worked

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lol. i've been working in an environment full of anarchocapitalist from the very beginning and was never a problem until the last years and i hate anarco capitalism. Try again

<s​pirobel:monero.social> who do you mean exactly?

dsc_: I know you're not a cocsucker, we all know your not a cocsocker, but there are good reasons why cocs exist. You have to agree?

*you're

midipoet: no, there is a mod team who ban on a per-case basis at their discretion

or at least that's how i'd like it to be

i.e: apply common sense

no need to write it down like some bureacrat

fair enough.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah it's working great. It's full of nice people around here

who exactly are the mods then?

CoC can be literally "there is a mod team who ban on a per-case basis at their discretion"

And can i apply to be one, as i would like to apply some common sense to this situation

that sound ok?

yes

perfect

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i think the people that want coc take themselves too seriously

moderation is not hard...

<s​pirobel:monero.social> it feels corporaty

^

<s​pirobel:monero.social> the people that want coc take themselves too seriously

i agree. I don't like cocs either, but if people generally don't know how to engage in a respectful manner to each other, then someone somewhere has to draw a line.

throwing insults around shouldn't be tolerated, imo

we aren't 12

midipoet: like calling people antisemite enablers?

who tf does this noob thinks he is

engaging with spam should be banned. from then on, that message is also categorized spam. and so on :)

to be honest, in this case it seemed someone took a antisemitic spam text, removed the word Jew from it (probably to avoid some filter), and replaced it with a grammatical symbol that has been known to be antisemitic. Common sense in this case would think the general sentiment was antisemitic, no?

yep

thats up to you to decide, to me it wasnt antisemitic, im not up-to-date with the neo-nazi lingo

(i didn't previously know the triple parenthesis thing)

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> no common sense is to say "take a chill pill" to the person calling out the antisemitism and then cry after they call you enabler

it was quite instant here, that parenthesis thing has been around for ten years or so for me noticeably

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > The resistance to an even basic coc tells already a lot.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Watch me trigger erc's CoC

dsc_: you did know about once you were told about it

*about it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/qlzFzpYyXroKGgwojVReYgJG

used to be used as a dogwhistle

midipoet: i dont think its antisemitic even after told

(((test)))

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #nomoneochan

are we in an alternate reality here?

dsc_: ok then (((hate the bastards)))

How about that?

generational gap in play here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (((plowsof is the best)))

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> jesus christ. It's a lost battle. If he didn't get it until now he cannot get it or doesn't want to

(((you're just as bad as that scum)))

How about that one?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban midi!

erc: im not going to abide by your worldview just because you tell me

in the process you paint me as a antisemite

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You are an antisemite, dsc. Admit it and leave midi and erc to moderate

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i couldn't care less of what your world view is, but if you are ok with antisemitism and are ok with enabling it, you are contributing in making the place unwelcoming

what do you mean with "but if you are ok with antisemitism"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes saying youre a nazi sympathizer

he is indeed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre supposed to hate, yknow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hate ppl that have nothing to do with you

im offended he'd insinuate that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its like jim cramer

and he talks about making it a less welcoming place, lol

<s​pirobel:monero.social> erc didnt stand with me when I tried to welcome the afghan women to the space lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If erc says it, its the opposite. - id be flattered, as hes saying that im _not_ a nazi sympathizer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ErC: do you hate brown people

<s​pirobel:monero.social> I also tried to invite black lives matter and he also didnt care

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yo uare ok with antisemitism because you don't understand the difference between free speech and the freedom of receiving a platform for your hate speech. So yeah, you are not a nazi, you are the guy that would have said to people "hey let them talk, they have right to free speech" when people would have protested nazis

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> so i take you don't get why that's bad

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Would it make you happy if i wanted to bomb hamas?

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> but you might inform yourself about the paradox of intollerance

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> and find useful info about how a welcoming community is built

must be witch hunting hour again

whatever you say erc

erc: don't give them your lunch money!

<s​pirobel:monero.social> yeah he just wants to witch hunt he does not care about welcoming people

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> must be witch hunting hour again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, we cant find the antisemite!

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> inform yourself a bit man, it's not as easy as saying "take a chill pill" when somebody calls out antisemitism but you might find useful info about how you are enabling antisemitists.

without your presence this room would currently be chill :)

<s​pirobel:monero.social> you make a community more welcoming by saying welcome to new groups of people and inviting them

<s​pirobel:monero.social> not by accusing people of stuff

<s​pirobel:monero.social> it makes it worse

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah, because now i know that for you a chill room is where antisemites are allowed to spread that shit. I'll stay around and will keep calling out stuff like this

<s​pirobel:monero.social> just go and invite some jews

ofrnxmr: in case you missed it, we agreed it was probably the person that removed the word Jew and replaced it with ((())).

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > you make a community more welcoming by saying welcome to new groups of people and inviting them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then rugging them and the homeservers lol

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> now people cannot even try to push me out by attacking my projects. No projects anymore 🙂

erc: you'll get very far by identifying everything as antisemite and racist, I'm sure!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Reee

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/SmbFiJnPlXtvuwgWvkKMZvlv

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc CoC says "no monerochan"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Good this this aint his room

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ^ here is where i stop assuming good faith. Nobody is that stupid

god I hate educated people so much

ofrnxmr: stop touching the coc. He operate a hands off policy in here

<s​pirobel:monero.social> 0 is the number of jews that erc invited to the community

<s​pirobel:monero.social> make this number go up

<s​pirobel:monero.social> or get lost

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: in case you missed it, we agreed it was probably the person that removed the word Jew and replaced it with ((())).

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I didnt miss anything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> it was lebanon, the user who did exactly that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "agreed"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> how does one "agree" on hard facts, lolz

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> midi shitting on CoC but jist voted to add one to monero-events

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Shitting on meetings ontop of meetings, but wants to have meta meetings and limit the scope of community meetings

ofrnxmr: i know you didn't. you never do

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> L.o.l.

ofrnxmr: i don't think i voted on the events coc (at least i don't remember voting for it)

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I just reread all the comments here. I really need you all to work with me on making this place better, because there's no need for everything to be a drama party.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> * The person who posted this message was an obvious spammer, and they were more likely than not to be antisemitic. No, it's not a jury conviction, but for a spammer, the likelihood is high enough. We don't need an argument about the theory of racism each time a spammer posts junk.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> * You all need to stop insulting each other. It's very hard as a mod to know how to enforce things at times if everyone is acting like a child. Frankly, it makes me want to ban everyone who is loud and annoying so everyone else can have an actual conversation.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> * There are a lot of active people here. Please, please, PLEASE focus your attention on helping to make this channel a better place, and not just about winning some petty argument for an off-topic discussion.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> * We need more positivity. If someone shows up with anger, it's best to simply report, not to engage.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> If you want this room to be a better place, you gotta help me help you.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Everyone here won't agree on 100% of everything, but let's please not fixate on the missing % all the time. Thank you.

midipoet: 2 years ago we had someone in #affinity-scam-that-should-not-be-named who seemed to have a issue with the (((****))), banned him after he kept goign on, no CoC needed...

<s​pirobel:monero.social> ... work with me ...

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> You are mixing up the spammer on Libera with the matrix user, not spammer, that got rightfully banned for posting antisemite stuff

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> two different people.

<s​pirobel:monero.social> add something like: be concise to the prompt

<s​pirobel:monero.social> it is too long

dsc_: i dont think a coc is needed either. BUT other people seem to not want to agree with general respect when conversing with people, which for the most part should include not hurling direct insults, name-calling, defamation, and slander. This sort of behaviour should definitely not be tolerated. I woke up the other day to read back-logs of someone hurling insults at another person. regardless of whether "feelings"

were hurt, it just brings the general level of conversation to the gutter. It was never tolerated before, so i am not sure why it is tolerated now. If we want to allow these sorts of practices, then fine - but this place (as sgp notes) will no longer be a relaxing, informative, monero focused place to hang out (which is always used to be).

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> +1

dsc_: seriously, are we ok with this sort of tone and language? "...why do i have to wake up to people calling others "coward bitch", "cheap ho" and making accusations of "crying like a bitch" and "begging for money". Why is this tolerated? It never has been previously and SHOULDN'T ever be.".

midipoet: yeah well, sounds nice but not realistic when (sometimes valid) complaints regarding community issues are easily labeled as defamation and slander, as I've seen happen.

direct insults are easy, just ban

what do you mean "sometimes valid"?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> but we should be mindful that some people come from a different social background

what?

we are all human

<s​pirobel:monero.social> were this kind of slang is normal

<s​pirobel:monero.social> like in the ghetto

<s​pirobel:monero.social> its normal to talk like that

this isn't a ghetto

<s​pirobel:monero.social> and maybe even homophobia is normalized

<s​pirobel:monero.social> or other bad things

it's absolutely normal to change behaviour depending on context

<s​pirobel:monero.social> but maybe some people cant do it

<s​pirobel:monero.social> so should we ban them?

if we have asked them to change behaviour, and they dont - YES

<s​pirobel:monero.social> that could also mean we exclude people from disadvantaged backgrounds

<s​pirobel:monero.social> or autistic people

<s​pirobel:monero.social> remember terry was also excluded

it's not exclusionary if you are making people aware of the ways in which they are being disrespectful

<s​pirobel:monero.social> because he used swear words

AND they have the ability to change their tone/language

spirobel: are you a cheap ho?

you sound an awful lot like a cheap ho to me

you even look like on?

*one

<s​pirobel:monero.social> so white middle class people force their social norms on everyone else?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> that is the subtext of this whole code of conduct debate

spirobel: shut the fuck up you cheap ho

shut your mouth

<s​pirobel:monero.social> lol

you are talking shit

<s​pirobel:monero.social> nice

see?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> braaaa

<s​pirobel:monero.social> this feels good

not really a monero place anymore is it?

midipoet: this isnt about direct insults, everyone knows they should be banned for it, its common knowledge. If mods are not banning then I wonder what they are instead doing.

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i like it

<s​pirobel:monero.social> better than this fake ass polite shit

dsc_: exactly!

<s​pirobel:monero.social> like look at me i am so professianl

spirobel: shut the fuck up, i am not talking to you, you cheap trash

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i am better than everyone else

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i like this tone

<s​pirobel:monero.social> it feels more normal and inviting than this " i am such a professional person"

<s​pirobel:monero.social> vibe

spirobel gets it, the language and tone differs per social-economic caste

<s​pirobel:monero.social> like we are not employees of the sgp company

<s​pirobel:monero.social> and this is not a fucking corporate meeting

right, so calling people cheap hoes is ok here?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> the coc should allow ghetto slang

<s​pirobel:monero.social> yes

and calling someone a coward bitch?

also allowed i assume?

what about cuntbag?

dsc_: that allowed ^

?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> yes

midipoet:

<s​pirobel:monero.social> so white middle class people force their social norms on everyone else?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> that is the subtext of this whole code of conduct debate

so much this^

and no, that doesnt mean directly insulting people should be allowed

<s​pirobel:monero.social> that is funny

<s​pirobel:monero.social> and if someone takes it serious they should get the stick out of their ass

<s​pirobel:monero.social> australians for example use cunt all the time

<s​pirobel:monero.social> or fucking

dsc_: sorry what?

am i allowed direct a ghetto insult or not?

i dont care if you do

thats just me personally, but as a mod you could choose to disallow it

dsc_: you're officially a cuntbag.

its common knowledge not to use foul language

so it wouldnt be weird to disallow it.

dsc_: sorry, now we can't use foul language?

spirobel says we can?

this is not about direct insults

make up your minds

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> this is beautiful

oh I stepped into a fun one it seems

<s​pirobel:monero.social> foul language really depends on the country and social circle. and I am against enforcing american suburb sentiments on everyone.

exactly

<s​pirobel:monero.social> monero is an international community

hence I said earlier "I hate educated people"

spirobel: so how are we gonna manage the permissions?

its usually the educated class that impose rules on the working class

because they dont like "the tone"

I would say to me personally it's not the words you use it's how you use them, uhhh, for the most part. there's some words I'm not really trying to hear

you see this everywhere IRL

<s​pirobel:monero.social> this is so true

im not educated, I come from nothing

hence I dont care

dsc_: oh great - this means dsc_ is allowed to use ghetto language

anybody else want to throw their hat in?

is there an earning limit that allows one the permission?

maybe a parent's earning limit?

im just giving you my 2 cents, its up to the mod team to manage this room...

a postcode?

dsc_: it's obvious the mods are awol

midipoet: apply to be one

i did already

when?

i will gladly impose my middle class expectations on the absolute gutter scum white trash cuntbags in this room

<s​pirobel:monero.social> why?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> why look down on blue collar so much midipoet?

why not spirobel, why the f not. it's a free world

<s​pirobel:monero.social> think u are better or what?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> do you have a degree?

i know i am better. YOU brough up class

he could though, the free market would decide if people stay/leave :)

spirobel: YOU decided to reference the hierarchy. not me.

i just want people to stop being obtuse in here

thats's it

it's not that fucking hard

ofrnxmr: lol this person on github getting mad that I replied without specifically tagging him

but instead people want to argue for the "right" to hurl language and insults around

as if their life will become meaningless if they can't

in a monero room of ALL PLACES!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <s​elsta> ofrnxmr: lol this person on github getting mad that I replied without specifically tagging him

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😁😁. Bad selsta, bad.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> "slang" or not, if an insult is used to try to cause harm, or if it makes other people in the room uncomfortable (by reasonable evaluation, this isn't a suicide pact), then the user will be warned or banned

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> it wasnt used to cause harm

<s​pirobel:monero.social> yeah its the intent that matters ... but i dont think anyone here is causing harm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The user in question, lebAnon

<s​pirobel:monero.social> also we are on the internet lol

did someone say suicide pact?

I'm in

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I definitely have seen many things crossing the line over the last few weeks

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> The geo/ofrn conversations for example

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> that was months ago

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and that didnt cross any lines except for your feeling

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But nit the subject anyway, unless youre trying to make it one

<s​pirobel:monero.social> sgp is causing more harm by enforcing his culture on the rest of us lol

<s​pirobel:monero.social> that is real harm lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban sgp

yall just send me chat logs I'll decide what's appropriate

I think you're all silly so I'm the most unbiased

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > > <@m-relay:monero.social> <a​nna26> pastebin.com/MCKZj5pw

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > I've lost my life savings because of (((hyperinflation))) and banks rugging us here kek

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Exact quote

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lyza. Judge away

<s​pirobel:monero.social> fuck that is so mean to ban him for that

<s​pirobel:monero.social> like the guy is losing is last shirt

<s​pirobel:monero.social> like the guy is losing his last shirt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> he even replied to the fkn paste spam that he parodied

wait are we talking about whether it's okay to spam for donations lmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The person who relied to the paste spam, wrote the latter part

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes banned for the ((()))

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its antisemitic

ohhhhh

that's true

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The paste spam originally said "because of ftx jews"

<s​pirobel:monero.social> honestly its just sad .... zero empathy for the life situation of lebanon

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I suggested to plowsof to give a warning next time for that, unless there is additional context I'm missing

<s​pirobel:monero.social> lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He replace"jews" with "(((hyperinflation)))"

<s​pirobel:monero.social> sqp is also obtuse

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> @sgp 0 additional context

<s​pirobel:monero.social> "give him a warning"

<s​pirobel:monero.social> like you are his daddy

<s​pirobel:monero.social> damn

<s​pirobel:monero.social> you wont fix us sgp

<s​pirobel:monero.social> we are sewer rats

<s​pirobel:monero.social> and not your colleagues in a fucking corporate meeting

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Spirobel, what do you want? A room without mods? I don't understand

I might read the reply as intended sarcasm, like making fun of the person talking about jews, but idk, I'd agree with a warning but obvs we don't need to be getting antisemetic in here and the ((())) is a well known thing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Though, plowsof's requests are respected

<s​pirobel:monero.social> i want you to stop enforcing your culture on others.

"culture" of not being antisemetic spirobel?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lyza, weve been spammed daily with ftx jew spam

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> It was a joke in poor taste and should probably have been a warning

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont see any antisemitism, just a playful comment _intentionally_ taken out of context by erc

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> midipoet you got your answer. Keep the insulting up for a couple more months and then you might get a warning

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> ErC: you're not acting in good faith either

okay yeah like I said I can read the comment as being intended as sarcasm, don't disagree with that

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> right now no. I'm making fun of this policy

<s​pirobel:monero.social> erc should apologize to lebanon for banning him

<s​pirobel:monero.social> and show some compassion for his life situation

<s​pirobel:monero.social> there is 0 proof that what he said is antisemitic

<s​pirobel:monero.social> and also the number of jews that erc invited to the monero community is still 0

<s​pirobel:monero.social> there is 0 proof he actually gives a shit about being welcoming to jews

<s​pirobel:monero.social> as long as this number stays 0

<s​pirobel:monero.social> we are sewer rats <== however, the sewer rats and "the suits" need eachother to survive, they compliment eachother, even if the suits dont realise it

:)))

dsc_: i am gonna set you to ignore, as you're a cuntbag

<a​remor:matrix.org> Thank you

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> wait there are dramas in this channel ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> idk. Calling someone a cunt is ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but ((())) isnt

"but ((())) isnt" sad LISP programmer noises somewhere

<s​iren:kernal.eu> hey you cheap LISP programmers

Warning for joke in poor taste / resolved?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> wow you don't like LISP enough to give me a warning?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I only write C/Go no worries

midipoet: insults not allowed...

Scrollback engaged

dsc_: i wasn't insulting you, i was making a statement

(ie. it wasn't meant to harm)

you're free to ignore me, such is IRC :)

dsc_: cuntbags everywhere these days, can't ignore everyone.

i dont see an issue, we probably have different standards and life philosophy.. anyway back to programming

you guys are a time sink

<s​iren:kernal.eu> dsc_: what are you coding now?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> wownero for cake rn

ofrnxmr: I'll have you know, there is a big difference between a cunt and a cuntbag. If you were from my part of the hood you'd know this.

siren: doing some cake wallet dev today, but also working on my Monero hw wallet project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LMFAO midipoet educating us on the hood

you, for the record, are a sham cuntbag (again not an insult, just a statement)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cunt and cuntbag are hood slang? TIL

In ireland a cuntbag is a polite greeting

<s​iren:kernal.eu> dsc_: where can I learn more about the hw wallet project?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sham is too 🤣

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tell me youve NEVER interacted with ANYone from ANY hood without saying it so obviously

siren: tbh I dont think this hw wallet will be very popular because if there is one audience who is skeptical of introducing random "smart gadgets" inside their home, its the Monero community haha

plowsof: no. That's incorrect. Offering a cuntbag a cup of tea is a polite greeting. If you're deep in the ghetto it's a tesco value cuntbag of tea.

siren: i dont have much media/info to share right now, other than hw specs

it has a nice matte touchscreen and a kickass UI ... :)

ofrnxmr: i am the original ghetto nigga. didn't you know this, my brudda?

Lol

bludz in the room to the IRC

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is midi black?

biatch you who calling pooface?

fyi I would not appreciate that language here

<s​iren:kernal.eu> dsc_: I had a weird dream about some weird smart card thingy that would transmit spend key or something to the atm

not that anyone cares about my opinion :P

<s​iren:kernal.eu> hard to explain I probably sound retarded now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: i am the original ghetto nigga. didn't you know this, my brudda?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Those of you whove met midi, is midi black?

siren: the point of my device is that you need physical (touch) access in order to send out transactions, so the private keys are always on the device

but its not handheld

dsc_: oh i see. There IS A LINE!

Well thank you for that

midipoet: ofc

<s​iren:kernal.eu> oh, then it's a dealbreaker for my weird dream

siren: :D

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I was thinking what if a hw wallet/card could transmit keys on demand like that, like a yubikey with touch sensor

yeah someone should make that

im too stupid to design my own PCB

<s​iren:kernal.eu> needs symmetric encryption with a pin or something at least

you'd need secure storage on the chip

its hard to implement probably

<s​iren:kernal.eu> touch to transmit your pre encrypted key, then decrypt it on the ATM to use it

<s​iren:kernal.eu> risky operation that requires lots of trust

<s​iren:kernal.eu> yeah the hw wallet should create the tx probably i dunno

even if you design something like that, you'd need to manufacture it too

and the enclosure too with CAD software

its not trivial

but it is possible ^^

<s​iren:kernal.eu> i can make the enclosure but the PCB :D

I have a 3D printer and know my way around SolidWorks

bought some ABS and ASA filament for the case

anyway

its a shitty project

<s​iren:kernal.eu> ABS is so brittle :(

i need the heat resistance

CPU is 60C idle

touchscreen also emits heat

<s​iren:kernal.eu> damn

PLA will just warp

another option is injection molding

<s​iren:kernal.eu> how big is it approximately?

but $$$

5"

800x480 screen

(full color space)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> you should show it here probably maybe it's not so shitty after all

<s​iren:kernal.eu> sounds interesting I mean

i call it shitty because I also built-in a weather forecast app, stock tickers, HomeAssistant plugin, etc.

and I would assume most Monero people dont like bloated devices

(rightfuly so)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> uhhh HomeAssistant plugin for that sounds useful

yeah, so you can mount the device on a wall

<s​gp_:monero.social> I know you're trying to make a point, but please move on to not making this point anymore, thanks

<s​iren:kernal.eu> weather forecast dunno lol :D useful if you live in north EU and it's suddenly -36C

I could release a Monero only version

niche audience though..

<s​iren:kernal.eu> what else does it support?

i was contemplating bitcoin support but it feels dirty

<s​gp_:monero.social> Is it somewhat easy to make it plugin-based, so check the box to add btc, or uncheck to not add it

yeah sgp, something like that

<s​gp_:monero.social> looks very clean

its fluid, 30fps, with fancy animations

the board itself (in the lower part of the picture) is only 20 USD

<s​iren:kernal.eu> is it android?

nah, customized ubuntu-server

it does some funky things to systemd to make it boot fast

it uses a virtual framebuffer to directly output to the screen without the need for a desktop environment

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I mean what do you use for that UI?

its Qt

C++

<s​iren:kernal.eu> suggest bringing it to next monerokon

<s​iren:kernal.eu> looks cool

thanks

<s​iren:kernal.eu> you can probably have a stand or share one with someone

!tip dsc_ $$$

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> does anyone here have any idea who these guys are?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> swaps.org

Open source?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> maybe?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> theres no github on the website

Says enough?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah but its still interesting whenever someone makes claims like these

Might be interested in neveko, a beta was released bounties.monero.social/posts/45/7-0…-and-play-monero-marketplace-on-i2p

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the people in their telegram called me a thief for asking for source code

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats weird

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> How come plowsof isnt admin or mod here? But is in other monero.social rooms?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> They agreed it’s a closed source project 😅

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there was a chain split - depending on which version of reality you exist in , i am a mod here, the other version of reality is stuck in the year circa 2017~

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> jup

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> insane people in that telegram

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Telescam

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dumb

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And you have a person that has chainanal company as admin and mod???????

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Conflict of interest much

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> my chainsplit comment is about a glitch with this room (others see it with old profile pics displaying, or an old admin list)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof test delete this msg from your acct

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i can't here (laptop)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hiddenservices

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So your account doesnt have ops 👀?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> It would be on account not device

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> but can with banhammer* maybe my ops where removed (twice) and given banhammer instead, i don't know

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds like your getting fired

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Removing permission without telling you

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im in shutter island

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds like there isnt consistancy across monero rooms

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which banhammer is the correct one? Both?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres a monero.social and a matrix.org banhammer

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Except admins

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero doesnt have the matrix.org one

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> There would be a bot room where you issue commands

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If its unneeded, remove its mod powers. (Is that even a real banhammer? Lol)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Across all or specific rooms

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The opposite

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It doesnt have monero.social banhammer *

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably bot account

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Only need one account

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/RLNEKFfjXDpEeEfsEbzCdUER

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the matrix admin list i see

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yeah, banhammerMonero, what is that

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Normally there is a bot room for commands issue and that bot has a list of protected rooms. That bot user is mod in those rooms.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So only need one bot user

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> nitter.net/0x655321/status/1742529035626770863 erc getting roasted

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> social media for you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> chowbungaman: got dragged into it too 😂

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> when you think your in the right and get a reality check you not

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> who's malicious ???

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (monerotopia)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "i called out @monerotopia for inviting a declared antisemite to their conference and i'm still being harassed to this day because of it."

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Now, it's clear to me that Monero going downhill is not something that can be stopped anymore ... It's time to accept that the boat is sinking."

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so community and the coin is mutually exclusive?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "The post has finallt been moderated and the user banned. To the next time, in the meantime, as expected, i get attacked everywhere. Leaving all the attacks and insults under my posts, so that people can see what a nice bunch of people the Monero community became"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ErC: sorry to tell you, but lebanon is unbanned

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> cause someone didnt get there way they whinge on twatter

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc does this everytime

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> softcock

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> well

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> thats what a drama queen does

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> throw enough mud something will stick

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> sad world we live in

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> on the plus side we get free advertisement

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. Erc needs to step down as admin of every room he admins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And obviously not moderate, as he himself stepped away because he cant handle monerochan

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> It's interesting that this link doesn't show all the replies...

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Just some of them.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Every monero-* room

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He blocked me. Look for his tweets abour diego and stack wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> About how we shouldnt trust diego

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who's malicious??

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> No, I'm reading the real tweet. And quite a few replies aren't shown on the nitter link, which I found interesting

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> looking

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> sounds like a malicious person towards monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> not sure if because of blocked, but my nitter link doesnt show his message because he blocked me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> nitter.net/ofrnxmr/status/1742526736720331117

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> probably shouldn't doing monero community stuff

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> be*

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Honestly, I kind of am inclined to side with ErC on this one. Plenty of people say absolutely ghastly shit and then when called out on it, try to be like, "Oh, I was joking. It's funny, right?"

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> That said... oh lord the Haveno thing...

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> also closing ccs because he did get merged before starving devs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lebanon is a casual community member

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc comes here once a year to shit on everybody and ban opposition

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And or rug a ccs

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Fair. I haven't been around since... well, I used to mod #monero-pools on IRC, before Freenode went to shit. Actually... I'm the reason the channel exists lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> While selling the backend

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> people come here cause of authoritarianism and not to be policed

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Doesn't matter if people like policing or not, if you have 11 people and one Nazi at a dinner, and none of them tell the Nazi to leave, you have 12 Nazis.

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Not saying he *is* one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway. Wolf, do you agree with erc banning me in 2 differnet rooms (-site and -translations) for things done/said in this room?

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> but just saying, there's people that you just don't wanna be around

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Nope

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> guilty by association officer

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> You goddamned right. If you support genocide, you're complicit.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He sent me a dm telling me that he banned me in every room that he admins.

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> damn. That's... excessive

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> maybe they a friends with the nazi and not believe in his ideas?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then cried foul when i shared it in public. And inquired about what rooms those are

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/gEzqowYqXIAfyKiYhBRUUonp

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so no yellow or red card? before ban

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Shadowbanned

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> It's not exactly an odd concept. In the US Constitution, anyone who provides "aid/comfort" to an enemy is committing treason, for example.

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Whether or not you support murder of an entire group for no reason, if you are "friends" with someone who is, you are implicitly saying "I am okay with this." You might not *agree*, but you're okay with people being murdered because you don't wanna think about it.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> going off that, you in monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 100000

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> soooo guilty as charged ser

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Idgaf if youre taliban, russian, ukrainian, nirth korean, jewish, polish, or plowsof

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> I like XMR. I use it. That doesn't mean I personally have friends who are shitbags. :P

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You all suck

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> That's a valid stance lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cuntbag enablers , the lot of you

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Americans, too

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> doesnt matter you use it so you guilty by associating with it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> wolf9466: lol

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Incorrect. If that was the case, owning a dog would make you guilty cause Hitler did

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seriously. Fk those cuntbags

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant even build a wall

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> wut

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> now its getting stupid

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> If you personally associate with those people and call them friends - sure, you're implicitly saying you're okay with their views. If you use USD and so does a mass murderer, that doesn't make you approving of mass murder.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bombing my kids - lebanon

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Supporting me enemies - a lot of countries

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> stealing from me - citizens

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Look here ok. My personal views on the world have nothing to do with monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> A great example is hyc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Politically, a lot of monero folk have disagrees with his views

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to band privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to bad privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> stereotyping

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But NOBODY doubt hyc, as his code does not contain his political bias

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to ban privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We are monero

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> hyc is fucking insane, last I checked, and it has nothing to do with his politics

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> one uses it, then guilty by association

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "insane"

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> One uses USD. Then you are guilty of every crime the Fed commits

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> reminds me of kayne west

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Calling someone insane for their views, is the SAME as sympathizing with nazis

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ^

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Lying about being part of NASA, lying about being some kind of hero

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Correct. USING XMR does not provide "aid/comfort" to anyone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's a part of monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fk basa

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nasa

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> going in circles

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> It's the fact he's an open, blatant liar who will double down on his lies the moment that he gets challenged. That really someone you wanna trust?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> does his code lie?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does hyc ban people on matrix/irc based on those views?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> craig wright does and people still follow him

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Nope, which is why I don't say "throw out his code", he's a liar and you should throw out his *opinions*

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> well

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ignore it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who said anyone listens to them?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which is exactly my poibt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont give a fuck how insane you are

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do you monero?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you monero, i dont care who's on the other side of the wallet

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> Does this answer your question? forum.getmonero.org/7/open-tasks/2400/open-source-amd-miner-by-wolf0

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I wasnt asking _you_

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I making a point that your personal views dont matter AT ALL

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If they did, we'd all hate each other

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> No, but being a habitual liar should. Unless you like believing lies.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And by "your", i mean, none of ours

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> what am i looking for?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> you have xmr?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont talk to him about his views

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I talk to him about writing code

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What do i care about how he fks his wife?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> whats got nothing to do with me

<w​olf9466:matrix.org> if he lies to others on a regular... who's to say he won't lie to you?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We just had 600k in donations. Should i return it because i dont accept money from nazis or russians?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> About what? The temperature outside?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> code and person are two different things

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> like kayne the person and kayne the singer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or like plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You should hear him rap

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> pencil a meeting for this Saturday? monero-project/meta #952

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I love ASICs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we should allow ASICs in Monero

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> asics.com/us/en-us/gel-kayano-30-platinum/p/ANA_1011B920-001.html

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> can you earn Monero with ASICs? apparently yes

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah was meant to be the main attraction at kon last year

There is an old saying: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Far too many people talk about people in here.

Surely it's better suited for off-topic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^ says midipoet while talking about people

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Oh the irony

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midipoet - the below-average mind

ah, i see. Back to the insults

Any others while we are here?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> There is an old saying: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Far too many people talk about people in here.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is intended to be an insult, nerd

Surely you have some foul mouthed insults to hurl?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im just pointing out that youre _actually_ the lowest iq in the room

oh i see. The iq one again.

Anything else?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> sounds like geonic🤔

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Shouldnt be talking about averages minds, when you cant use an onion

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> when is the meta issue meeting happening btw?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> or reply function in email 🤣

i don't know, why don't you schedule it!

I tried, and was gatekept

was utterly fantastic

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> wut

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gatekept

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> midi, how much WORK have you done on meta?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0? Ya?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> you seem to have all the ideas but dont follow through?

ofrnxmr: how much work have you done, full stop?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> great minds discuss ideas

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "ideas", more like "non-ideas"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: how much work have you done, full stop?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like 50% of your meta

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: dont use google

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: here is mattermost with onlyoffice

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: idea came to life

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have your hand up your ass

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (dan)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> "just create meta issue for meeting and "they wiil come 🙏

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> midi is a bad-actor sympathizer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think thats worse than being a nazi around here

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> just saying create the issue calling it a meeting

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the ccs backlog is cleared, we may be able to grant permission for meta issues to be discussed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midi literally said they are against refunding essential code (full chain membership proofs). (midi cant even use tor). But midi wants backpay for monero-policy "work" (uses their own personal google drive to write their blogposts)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> separate meeting cause " a quick game is a good game"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the ccs community work group has performed a hostile take over of the community meetings and is stopping other work groups from rising , this needs to stop

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i believe we can overcome this situation, together

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> less shit for you to do

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: yes, 20 mins (longer now) with no answer, mainly as i have two kids under the age of 3 that (unbelievably) are more important than dealing with you. In answer to your question: if FCMP is allowed to restropectively ask for funding, than ANY work conducted previously for XMR (code or no code) can also ask for retrospective funding. And yes this includes work <clipped message>

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> conducted by policy. If we were to get funded for work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> <m​idipoet> previously conducted, we can spend it on anything we like. Swag included.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> midipoet = Dead weight

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do i agree that retro is ok? Yes, ofc.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do i agree that that retro is bad and that comparing to swag bags is in good faith? Fk no

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i thought there would be a meeting discussing current events in policies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But we JUST funded that bullshit scam movie that DOESNT FEATURE MOONERO

Still waiting to hear how much work you've done ofrnxmr.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> great minds think a like

I'll give you 20 mins, if you need?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> Still waiting to hear how much work you've done ofrnxmr.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont do any work

Or are you having trouble figuring it out from under the bag of swag?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> in public view

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i answered: I did 50% of yours

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> aka, i dont do ANY work

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> plowsof: sounds like inciting drama ^

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> its like leaving a bomb and running away

> ofrnxmr: I dont do any work

And all along i thought you were dishonest. shame on me.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> see ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You and your fellow parasites are the ONLY people in all of monero who would call ofrnxmr dishonest

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> wouldnt bother just baiting you

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> like geonic use too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if i was dishonest, id have been permbanned a loooooooooooong time ago

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> there is old github.com/monero-project/meta/pulls

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Get to work midi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Go resolve em

<m​egamind1337:matrix.org> What a shitshow 😂

<4​rkal:monero.social> Anyone else get a 403 forbidden here? monero.observer/monero-talk-nate-eatsleepcrypto-interview

<4​rkal:monero.social> escapethe3ra:

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yeah

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> kyc me ?

if you want a prettier 404 page that doesnt burn your eyes please click this link monero.observer/monero-talk-nate-eat-sleepcrypto-interview

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> missing hypen

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> missing hyphen

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> still 404's but its a real 404 now

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> fancy

nice community work you guys are doing in here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> tobtoht new ccs on sat

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Btw the current round of funding for the ATM project is almost complete (82%)! atm.monero.is/donate.html

almost forgot, will add to the notes! congrats

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> where are the whales!!!

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Buying corn

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> hmm

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> gofund siren's project