<r​ails11326206827:matrix.org> Anyone have the link to the monerotopia matrix chat?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monerotopia:monero.social Tremor

<r​ails11326206827:matrix.org> Awesome. Thanks!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Link working?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Cert expired

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Clock mismatch Siren:

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> expired today

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not After

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wed, 03 Jan 2024 23:59:59 GMT

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Works now

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Stnby: what happened to your cert automation project? I don't like it when I post a link and shit is expired the same day :D

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Well say bye to your clean cert transparency history because I switched caddy on

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yeah lol

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: what do you mean offended

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> im lebanese lol

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> im confused

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> thanks for adding me back

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> im not the FTX beggar

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> sorry for sending a link that was desperate

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> but dont confuse me with a grifter please

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> god bless XMR for everyone bros

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> he was joking

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> unkn8wn69: reuters.com/world/middle-east/explo…yeh-two-security-sources-2024-01-02

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> yes they did sir

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> oh

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> lol

<system> file LebAnon.jpg too big to download (2035476 > allowed size: 1000000)

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> LebAnon.jpg

<system> file xmr beirut.jpg too big to download (1080918 > allowed size: 1000000)

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> xmr beirut.jpg

<system> file monero banker association.jpg too big to download (2179015 > allowed size: 1000000)

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> monero banker association.jpg

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> even with all the shit here

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> I do my part friends

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> someone from germany sent me these stickers a long time ago

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> for free!

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> hahah

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> the 100K bill

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> was worth 66$ 4 years ago

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> its 1$ now

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> thank you

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> someone please add him back

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> im not going to be alive for long anyway

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> I'll leave

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> i apologized in DM

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> he rejected my invite

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Incredibly based

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> thank you friend

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> since ErC decided to spit the dummy (here and twatter) and looks like he has left all the rooms, shouldn't all his access be revoked ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> initiate wipe protocol

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> based

<system> file image.png too big to download (2415294 > allowed size: 1000000)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> image.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that cash looks very cool

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> worst part

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> banks are printing a new one

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> thats smaller

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> cuase we literally cant afford papers for long

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> value of the toilet paper is?

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> and its same size as the 1,000 bill( as opposed to the 100,000)

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> 1,500 LBP was 1$

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> 1$ is around 90,000 to 100,000 LBP now depending on risk in the country

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> it was around 66$

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> now 1 to 1.3$ I guess kek

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i saw twice that people held up banks too get there money out

I finally setup a monero full node with failover and clustered storage on my mini PCs

using Docker Swarm+glusterfs

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> commitment to HA node

It managed to trigger a weird bug with my interfaces with the intel driver which would make them not work for a while but I finally got it to run

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that has to be in the top 10 of most reliable monero nodes now

home.ca.varunpriolkar.com/uploads/6…fa1f8/20231229_223612-1152x1536.jpg

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> yeah

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> more than twize but a lot basically end up in jail

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> do you know k8?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> cake, handful of CEXs and you

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> overkill

Yea I used it long time back, not too familiar with it now

I think I'll try it again soon

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah ...but ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/utxobr-monero-k8s-operator.html

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> free money for someone who cbf

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> cake definitely has an implementation already

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we could just ask them nicely

That looks cool

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but then again, only some corp would really benefit from it

I'm running it with replica of 1. I'm wondering what happens if I set replica to 3 with the same DB/storage

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah uptime

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> but dockerswarm is pretty close

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so i wouldnt blame cake for keeping their setup close to their chest

I'm wondering if it would work at all

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > replica to 3 with the same DB/storage

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i can tell you waht

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> database corruption

Yea that's what I thought

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> need mirror

Seth's guides are great. I also set it up with Tor

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i think its one persistent volume

Yea

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> multiple monerod pods

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> dont need 20 lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ok its 1 replica

Config looks like this right now: gist.github.com/arhue/b85115560008ccd490f3bad2b010e84b

Only forwarding 18080/18089

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> i cant believe erc basically scammed the community out of 150k and had the audacity to come at me

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> lol

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> im scouring the CCS

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> maybe theres something I can help with

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> need this so nothing can escalate its privileges

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> security_opt:

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> - no-new-privileges:true

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> and maybe env for it to

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> GID:

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> UID:

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ```

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so its not root

Yea, it needs better optimization. I'll add no-newprivileges. Currently running as root because I got lazy. I need to add users/provision them. I have my provisioning automated with Ansible so need to add it there

Anyways really late for me. Going to bed, thanks for the help\

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> cya

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> gw btw

Gn

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dark.fi/insights/development-update-q423.html

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they are switching from PoS to xmr merge mining

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Erc is whinging on twatter i see

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> twitter.com/calciferciccio/status/1742810504844763310

attacking sgp in the process who has done much more for Monero than this clown ever did

lets just ignore and discuss productive things

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> One side view tho

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nitter.net/calciferciccio/status/1742810504844763310

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao fuck off

To be honest, i wish needmoney90 was still an active mod

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> There is only one consistent mod on

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> For a long time i thought plowsof was the only mos

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> On this matter, who are the actual mods on this channel? (matrix side). There are a few listed, but they don't seem to actively do anything. diego? charuto? anybody else?

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> sgp can you please confirm? ^

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes, it is i

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i am terminally online 😭

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dont think i mod any official channels thouhg

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Unoffical/offical

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You can see under members in the room

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> thanks Dan. I was just asking for confirmation from sgp that the three matrix mods are diego, charuto, and sgp, or if there is anyone else.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Damn holy shit, but is there a better black market rate like in Argentina?

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> what do you mean better

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> a lot still get paid in LBP

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> but banks created something called "banking" USD rate

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> its 10 times less

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> so 1 usd was 1500 LBP

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> now its 15,000 in banks

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> in reality its over 90,000 per 1 USD

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> jesus christ hes delusional

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> to think I tried to DM him to apologize

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> im dying over here

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I just wonder what access he has

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hes a admin in some rooms

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Might want to revoke his access

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> So you don't use tx-proxy right, broadcast over clear?

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I rly wanted to dockerize my node but its on arm so there is no good tor proxy image for it (

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> I hate ERC so much now

<4​chanbro:matrix.org> he gambled CCS funds and dares talk shit about me

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Make love not war…. Something like that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> MODS? no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Admins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Diego, needmoney, pigeons, sgp.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - admins should only be on monero.social (no custom homeserver admins)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - admins != mod. Some admins _should not_ moderate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Active mods:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> banhammer (via plowsof)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> inactive "mods":

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> banhammermonero (fake acct??)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> diego (doesnt moderate - is admin)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> sgp (shouldnt moderate for obv reasons)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> charuto (...)

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> The other banhammer can probably be removed. It is a legacy implementation of banhammer that isn't used anymore

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> We need admins on other servers too, for managing the room names there, for example Monero:matrix.org

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> People have been able to make their own rooms since forever, with the idea being that anyone can create their own workgroup and then moderate that workgroup as they feel it's appropriate for their community. There are some limits (it can't lead to broader server issues), but there are very few limits

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> That's why woodser is an admin of the Haveno rooms, tobtoht for Feather, etc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sgp

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Woodser isnt an admin in haveno

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (dont worry, im not starting shit)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do you know if cake has ownership of haveno.network?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The room is broken because the homeserver is down

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I don't really follow Haveno anymore, so unfortunately I'm not sure

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i asked vik and woodser

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Neither knows status of the domain

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You were around during those times - do you remember if the domain was transferred to cake?

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I thought Cake had the domain but maybe that's changed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They haven haveno.exchange for sure, but im not sure haveno.network was transferred..

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno wasnt working for new users

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #haveno:monero.social does now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> cant change main address of room without a)removing blocklist (trying soon) or b) starting another homeserver on haveno.network

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> blog.erethon.com/blog/2023/06/21/wh…ens-when-a-matrix-server-disappears

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The problen with this is homeserver admins can take over accounts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So, sure, need other servers for setup, but no need to maintain admin backdoor for matrix.org homeserver admins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (homeserver admin can hijack any users account)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Any user of their homeserver*

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah but they won't have the keys for old messages in encrypted rooms

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Still very interesting

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Oh, I think you're mixing up server admin and room admin maybe?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> server admin can take over a room admins account

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So matrix.org server admins have admin access to any rooms admin'd by a matrix.org user

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Right, which makes sense. But I'm not a sever admin. The list there is 1 person plus Core I think

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I thought you meant room admin

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> (and no, it's not me)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> server admin of _matrix.org_

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Example.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> room 1. Admin = ofrnxmr:monero.social and plowsof:matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> = the server admins of matrix.org and monero.social can take over our accounts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And impersonate us

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > This is a significant power, but fortunately homeserver administrators can impersonate their homeserver users to get back in control of a room if the user was in fact malicious.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> From matrix docs ^

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> does anyone here have deeper understanding on how the mempool works? were talking about it in the monero channel

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> ofrnxmr: are you saying that matrix.org server admins can impersonate monero.social users to other users on the monero.social server?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That also means that if the domain of a homeserver was seized by an agency they can impersonate users

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> The respective users on that domain, not other domains right?

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> thats pretty wack

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Okay, that was my understanding too

<s​iren:kernal.eu> This can be used to social engineer users that live on other homeservers

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> It wouldn't make sense for matrix.org admins to be able to impersonate monero.social users

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> sgp (New Account: @sgp_:monero.social): wait why are you posting from an old account 🤔 is this an imposter? sussy baka

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What siren said 👍

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Only users of their own homeserver

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Someone can go bid on halogen.city :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Example: if we bring back haveno.network homeserver, i believe you can hijack woodsers old admin acct

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And the haveno rooms he admins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> exhibit 1: why admin account should only be on monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Outreach has admins on matrix.org, and we cant fix that without askibg matrix.org server admins to backdoor those accounts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> exhibit 2:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No wallet left behind was lost

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> haveno room was broken

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-website is still registered using the wrong address (matrix.org as main and monero-website instead on monero-site lolz)

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> The downside is not having any of the room names on matrix.org, is that desireable?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you can have the room names on matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just need to demote the admin after

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> and then keep demote/promote as needed then?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Admin has to add it, afaik they dont have to remain an admin after adding

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Conversely, if your model is more focused on business continuity, it makes sense to have a non-monero.social domain as Admin to perform certain functions in the event of a monero.social home server downage preventing monero.social user authentication

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> wen getmoner.org homeserver

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Lest people forget, Libera.chat has the same basic end risks: any server op can promote whoever they please to channel op via the IRC protocols, and it comes with persistence issues as any future channel would be on the same IRC network unlike Matrix where one could just recreate another room in Monero.social space

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there are more active than me, doing great work - for example, there is a semi-regular stream of heinous spam which other mods quickly react to/remove... request homeserver updates to patch cve's etc etc

<w​oodser:monero.social> the haveno.network domain was transferred to cake

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> at least we're safe from bridgerton spam here

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> sgp: all the authentication/permissions chat is great, but who exactly are the active mods for this room (#monero-community:matrix.org)? diego and charuto don't seem that active as mods, unless i am missing something (which could easily be the case).

<s​gp_:monero.social> no, I don't think they're that active anymore. plowsof is the most active mod here

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> O__o

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> and plowsof (for the purpose of modding) uses one of the banhammer accounts?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Diego Salazar: < admin rehrar: < mod

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Generally the mods use the banhammer account because it works across rooms and has convenient features

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Speaking on BH

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sgp can you demote BH in Monero Community Dev to moderator pls and thx

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (only Banhammer acct can demote itself)

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I'll need to ask mumuks to do that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ty

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> asked

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> The main issue from my own perspective is that mods seem to have taken a very inactive role, which is fantastic for rights, freedoms, inane banter, hurling accusations, and insults, etc, but not that conducive for maintaining the general quality of monero related conversation. Maybe it's just my perception, but keeping the channel on-topic would be helpful, especially when there i<clipped message>

<m​idipoet:matrix.org> s an off-topic channel for everything else. If you need more mods, i am happy to help out.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hahahaha

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (the last sentence)

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> imagine being a janny

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We dont need "more" mods, especially not any like midipoet. We need "better" moderation, and that goes got overactive, opinionated mods as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Goes for*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Speaking of which

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc shouldnt be moderating or admining matrix servers

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> ErC is not an admin of this monero.social server. He is only a mod of select rooms, and I believe the majority of those are workgroups that they have championed over the last few years

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> right

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> regardless, the monero- namespace can be used or it can be abused.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the room should be -site:matrix -site:monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (and not haveno.network, which is was) the main addr shouldnt be matrix.org, and a person who self identifies as not being able to handle public relations should not be in charge of that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero-site isnt simple a matrix workgroup, its the namespace for the workgroup that relates to the repo

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Just get a bot and add it to the rooms

<x​mrscott:monero.social> I don't see a fabled haveno.network local address

<x​mrscott:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/YqAfKdUSpjxMAmaofuuqdgXj

<x​mrscott:monero.social> And the main addr isn't matrix.org either

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Haveno has an issue cause the domain is gone walkabout

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Sure. And the issue I understand it from

<x​mrscott:monero.social> "the room should be -site:matrix -site:monero.social

<x​mrscott:monero.social> (and not haveno.network, which is was) the main addr shouldnt be matrix.org"

<x​mrscott:monero.social> was with it being anywhere in the main/published/local address space, which it isn't, at least on my client per above. Nor is main addr matrix.org

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Unless my client is cached wrong or something

<x​mrscott:monero.social> tl;dr: Can't replicate reported haveno / matrix.org addr issues

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its long gone

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Cant you just tick the toggle publish to matrix directory ?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And have main address as monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> someone needs to create monero-site:matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> As an alt addr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Remove monero-website:matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And ercs homeserver shouldnt be a main address

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And ercs homeserver shouldnt be a published address

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> If its offcial monero rooms just make homeserver maintainer as admin

<x​mrscott:monero.social> That's exactly what is per the screenshot

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Do you need the other addresses ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Scott, in the actual matrix space, do you kniw what it shows?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> More addresses then sgp accounts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Website when typing site < it autofills to matrix.org

<x​mrscott:monero.social> From my client any operations around it point to monero.social. For example, "..." > link makes: matrix.to/#/#monero-site:monero.social

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Not matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Click that linj ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That leads to a dead room here

<x​mrscott:monero.social> It *could* be that your client autodefault searches to the :matrix.org namespace

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Leads to room: (last 8 hours): "0xFFFC joined the room". Not seeing any deadness

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Should be homeserver

<x​mrscott:monero.social> It _could_ be that your client autodefault searches to the :matrix.org namespace, but that in and of itself doesn't mean an issue presently w/ the -site addr'ing

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> for me (using element web) the link works too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/EVNmNMQxKOlxqbxiksmRjQGV

<x​mrscott:monero.social> There you go, local client error from the sounds of it then

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im banned so maybe thats why

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Was erc the only admin in that room?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The old default _was_ website (idk when changed), but not the point.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> From your screenshot:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> main address looks good.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> alt addresses don't.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - dont need monero.social twice, as main and alt (a few roons have this harmless(?) Issue)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - website > site

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - remove cryptoriot

<x​mrscott:monero.social> monero.social isn't twice, they are distinct names, not a bug of a room listed twice. They wanted to claim both the -website and -site namespaces. Non-issue. cryptoriot, also non-issue unless it's a homeserver engaged in anything bordering illicit activity in Finland, US, or Germany. Is it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It shows

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> main addr:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-site:monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> other published addr:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-site:monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> cryptoriot "nonissue"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> who's homeserver is that? And why is it a published address?

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Noted, fixed. Thanks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And if its available (you need a matrix.org admin to do it obv) but should publish

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-site:matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> All rooms are consistent except for translations"localizations" and site "website"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (i dont know is -translations was published on matrix.org - im banned there too)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But it used to be

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -translations libera and monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -localizations matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> instead of

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -translations libera, monero.social and matrix.org

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Who owns cryptoriot homeserver?

<x​mrscott:monero.social> You not knowing what cryptoriot is is not an issue in and of itself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> like how right now its

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -site libera and monero.social

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -website matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> instead of

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -site libera, monero.social and matrix.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My point is: haveno.network homeserver is dead and you cant remove the address because of it.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if its ok to just add random homeservers, than why the big chart

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yeah ok

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> By why is it there?

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Because ErC put it there? Unless you're assuming they put in maliciousness homeservers?

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Regarding -translations, I'll see what I can do given current situation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I assume we follow a light standard

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and that erc shouldnt be adding haveno.network as the main addr, messing the room up, losing nwlb, breaking haveno

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> KISS

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I feel like none of these monero- rooms (particularly the ones tied to github and getmonero) are not _your_ room and shouldnt be treated like they are

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> By "your" i mean, they are "our" rooms

<x​mrscott:monero.social> -translations doesn't have haveno as a main addr either

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "erc put it there" doesnt work for me. Theres a big meta issue tracking room bridging etc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does it have translations:monero.social and matrix.org? (jw)

<x​mrscott:monero.social> And cryptoriot being a addr in one room impacts bridging to IRC _how_?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What am i saying

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not jw, im actually updating the chart

<m​arty22:matrix.org> I had someone ask me a few hours ago if Monero would be widely accepted to use for purchasing food and other resources and if you could use Monero to purchase food from farmers with it. That was a huge concern for them. Does anyone have response to that?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/meta #549#issuecomment-780197739

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. A few people can chime in

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Whoever runs the cryptoriot.org needs to remove

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> “chacha20-poly1305⊙oc” from openssl config

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And no cryptoriot admins either lolz

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> need god mode to be able to demote rogue or dead admins

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> “server_tokens off;”

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And remove default html page…lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 95.179.183.22:8448

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> anyone not in the room, can you test?

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> test what

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> i was able to join

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tyty

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Was stuck on haveno.network - other servers banned it, so you couldnt remove the haveno.network main address

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero.social unbanned it and i was able to change the address to monero.social and remove the haveno.network addr.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> previously, if you tried to link to haveno it wouldnt work due to the main addr being on a dead homeserver

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> now need to get rid of the dead admins on haveno.network

mods are officially out to lunch and have made this channel unusable

congrats xmrscott, sgp

<l​ightningboltohmanwhataname:matrix.org> Just a quick question. How do we can actually know when a Bug Occurs when having transactions?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sun Tzu: depends on what wallet you use - typically youll be shown a descriptive error

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/monero-to-the-oscars.html

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Your welcome

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol @ the url and the title of the ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> url: "<s>monero-</s>to-the-oscars.html"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> title: "Help an independent film <s>featuring monero</s> get to the oscars"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (something about a glass house)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why dont you shit on him for working with firo?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> who

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> oh yeah last couple of months hes been doing prs

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> probably after jetfund flew off

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or long b4

he's free to work with whoever. just like sarang

and people are free to donate to proposals they like. or are you gatekeeping again?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> difference is sarang did shit on people that funded him

did or didn't

small difference

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> difference is sarang didn't shit on people that funded him

oh ok

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> up to you

and you shitting on people who donated to my proposal is different how?

what makes you better?

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Can we move on to another conversation please, or do we need to have another useless conversation about the same thing for no reason

sgp: you need to start moderating this channel is what we need

or appoint someone who will. like midipoet

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> geonic ofrn Dan please drop it, you're not changing any minds

what would you like me to drop exactly?

"stop defending yourself"

is that your best advice as a mod?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sgp - he came to start shit with you and scott. Im not trying to change minds. Facts are facts. Hes a scammer

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> You came out of the blue to pick a fight, don't play the victim here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont know why the opinion of a scammer on moderation is relevant

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Scammers should be moderated

I thought he was allowed in this room on the condition that he stop calling me a scammer

did that change?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (that was why i mentioned the ccs - felt relevant to the "moderation" topic that he wants to egg on)

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> What I'm saying now is to end this discussion here, or whoever continues it will be banned. You've been warned enough times

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I was NEVER banned from this room, geodude

you're saying we might finally see some moderation?

how are these walls of texts helpful for this channel?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> baiting a mod is a smart idea too

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Everyone can sit tight, working on it. Needs to be from the IRC side, so annoying

endless monologues and calling people scammers = ok; questioning the mods for not doing anything about it = not ok

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> luigi1111: please check Matrix