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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> pretty funny tho
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m-relay
<pawism:techsaviours.org> Hello
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m-relay
<plowsof:matrix.org> jberman hinto 0xFFFC dangerousfreedom escapethe3ra selsta BigmenPixel plowsof
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plowsof
jeffro256 tobtoht
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plowsof
people awaiting ccs payouts please contact luigi1111 on irc and confirm payout addresses / amounts
paste.debian.net/1313405
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<plowsof:matrix.org> people awaiting ccs payouts please contact luigi1111 on irc and confirm payout addresses / amounts
paste.debian.net/1313405
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plowsof
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midipoet
plowsof: you sure it's not a glitch?
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plowsof
It doesnt feel real does it lol
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plowsof
binaryFate or anyone who spins a view wallet up can confirm. Ill have a look later
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plowsof
This the 10th? Iirc
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DataHoarder
GF be my GF
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sech1
I'm restoring the donation wallet from the viewkey now, got curious
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sech1
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sech1
That's only year 2024 scanned, 10x 100 XMR donations, and a number of smaller donations. Overall 1178.93 XMR (assuming nothing was spent yet)
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m-relay
<lolerz:matrix.org> i got faith in ofrn
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m-relay
<majesticbanknew:matrix.org> +1 for ofcxmr, we need more proposals not less
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MajesticBank
ofcxmr is a guy from the community, we need him for sure is not some lunatic crazy internet guy
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MajesticBank
when he doesn't know you or someone told him something bad about you
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MajesticBank
he might cast some bad words or attack you
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MajesticBank
but if you are his friend, he will help you to shill your project
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MajesticBank
and whatever you want because he is friend and also love monero
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MajesticBank
<3
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> Everyone get that ofrnxmr is of good faith. I talked with him when I arrived in this community, he was kind and helpful. But that doesn't mean he can act immature. I don't know you but I can't ignore a friend harassing other people (like matrix mods and cw). What blocks me is that he consider himself to be in the right to act like that. And that's the issue, if he can't understand<clipped messa
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> why insulting and acting arrogant is toxic for a community, then I don't know how we'll understand any other decisions regarding monero
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> Everyone get that ofrnxmr is of good faith. I talked with him when I arrived in this community, he was kind and helpful. But that doesn't mean he can act immature. I don't know you but I can't ignore a friend harassing other people (like matrix mods and cw). What blocks me is that he consider himself to be in the right to act like that. And that's the issue, if he can't understand<clipped messa
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> why insulting and acting arrogant is toxic for a community, then I don't know how he will understand any other decisions regarding monero
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> This really lowkey maturity topic. This is so fucking simple to understand the bad that you cause by yelling but still ofrnxmr don't. I'm not gonna support such a guy. He needs to grow up
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> This really just maturity topic. This is so fucking simple to understand the bad that you cause by yelling but still ofrnxmr don't. I'm not gonna support such a guy. He needs to grow up
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MajesticBank
i get you but you don't know his story, he might be working on coal mine, digging uranium or something lke that
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m-relay
<monerobull:matrix.org> >contact on IRC
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social>
xkcd.com/1782 kicks in
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MajesticBank
if we give him some money, he might find some alternative and be more relaxed
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> I'm not insensible to this. But as you said I don't know him, I don't know his story, maybe he is doing the most clever social engineering attempt on a community we've ever seen. So I don't support this CCS, but I get that you do.
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MajesticBank
he is long time in community already tho, he voted last year about monerokon as long-time member, so its 1+ year
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MajesticBank
medium to low risk of exit scam
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MajesticBank
considering upfront payment to ofcxmr
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MajesticBank
I don't think it can be worse, it can only get better with this proposal accepted
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nioCat
<MajesticBank> he is long time in community already tho, he voted last year about monerokon as long-time member <> he also attacked the organizer of monerokon, questioning his motivations etc. Said he was doing so many things wrong. It was only opinion but his non stop criticisms got in the way of actually planning the event.
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nioCat
this proposal breaks so many CCS rules and he knows that
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nioCat
no idea what
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nioCat
"he voted last year about monerokon as long-time member" means
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m-relay
<siren:kernal.eu> Maybe a compromise can be reached (so he can get unbanned and we can revise his proposal) if he acknowledges his fault and pinky promises to be less angry, more constructive.
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nioCat
acknowledges his fault 0_o
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m-relay
<siren:kernal.eu> He is not malicious. Sucks that his anger management problem overshadows the good he has done.
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nioCat
he said in his proposal that he can't make xmr donations from providing support because he is banned so he opened a CCS
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nioCat
so unban him
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midipoet
If he is unbanned, we will just have to go through this cycle again.
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midipoet
It's happened about three times already, by my count.
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midipoet
The CCS is not up to standard, and being made by someone that has been disruptive enough to get banned from a number of channels. Why would anyone believe that we should then pay this person 200 XMR?
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midipoet
Seriously.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Many CCS before where kinda scammy and still made there money sooo.
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midipoet
That isn't a valid reason to accept this proposal. That's a valid reason NOT to accept this proposal.
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nioCat
I want to open a CCS to get back 10% of the xmr I have donated over the years
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> My point is that ofrn ccs value > these other CCS that where accepted
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nioCat
would that comply with the rules?
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> rav stop trolling
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> your 486 wouldn't be proud of you rn
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MajesticBank
midipoet: who is losing if ofcxmr get ccs money?
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MajesticBank
donators only lose right?
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MajesticBank
it's important we have normal discussion and agree on things
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nioCat
do you expect agreement on this?
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MajesticBank
unban is work of mods but ccs is community decision
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> project credibility. There is a little quality assurance to maintain regarding CCS. If we accepted any project proposal, we would transform into bitejo's donation platform
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Let say
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> * If time > 6 and time <10 and batteries > 40% then start mining
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> * If time > 13 and time < 23 and batteries drop bellow 60% then stop mining
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Oh my, can I have get Soloptxmr 120XMR now?
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> Needless this discrimination also empower the CCS author that receive useful criticism for its work.
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> Needless to say this discrimination also empower the CCS author that receive useful criticism for its work.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Can probably find plenty examples
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MajesticBank
it's not like that ofcxmr is respected on this community
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MajesticBank
*in
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midipoet
MajesticBank: would ofrnxmr expect to be able to complete the CCS whilst still being banned from nearly all monero channels?
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SqueakyDouglas
That CCS reads like a joke and a trolling attempt. Frankly it would be embarrassing for the project to have that approved.
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> according to ofrnxmr comments. He expect to his work accross dms
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> according to ofrnxmr comments. He expect to complete his work accross dms
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nioCat
yes and ofrn's criticisms of CCS proposals were often useful
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nioCat
wonder what he would say about his own
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nioCat
I can imagine lol
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> He is surely here reading anyway.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> It's not like it's hard to create more account
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> no way Rav = ofrnxmr ??????
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nioCat
I hope he is
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Non, i'm now ofrn alt lol
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SqueakyDouglas
I can understand the person has added value at some points, but ask for some tips, not a fully funded CCS with no tangible deliverable.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Non, i'm not ofrn alt lol
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nioCat
can confirm :)
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nioCat
have never seen an active ofrn alt
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> We'll still need to discuss that properly and with constructive thoughts during community meeting. Even if its a joke every CCS deserve to be treated equally
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> should be*
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MajesticBank
midipoet: He is very active from what I see, github, twitter, reddit, telegram
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MajesticBank
and over DMs
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nioCat
"I hope he is" was in response to "he is surely reading here anyway"
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MajesticBank
helping, testing
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nioCat
he could also use IRC
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> is IRC broken, it's linked to monero.social right?
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nioCat
tes
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nioCat
matrix is broken, not irc
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MajesticBank
there is no CCS requirement for person to be mentally well etc
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nioCat
there is a requirement for milestones and deliverables
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nioCat
also 3 month max
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MajesticBank
and ccs rules are formality which we can see from other year over year extending proposals
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nioCat
MajesticBank: so you are saying any proposal can be made and automatically be merged?
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nioCat
that's not how it works
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luigi1111w
doug did a longer one that ended up not working out that well. Not clear how much was timeframe related
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luigi1111w
nioCat I think better to say most rules are not hard and fast, but merging should be merit-based. Definitely not automatic
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nioCat
doug came to his senses and didn't quit his job
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MajesticBank
it's different is it someone from inside or outside the community, ofcxmr got a support from the people
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MajesticBank
not random internet dude proposal
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MajesticBank
so to say
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selsta
luigiCat payout today?
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nioCat
luigi1111w: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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nioCat
please let selsta eat again
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luigi1111w
selsta yes
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luigi1111w
MajesticBank this isn't an auto reject afaict, but there are concerns and support required regardless
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midipoet
MajesticBank: it's clear there is not consensus support for the proposal, nor the quality of the work by the proposer
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midipoet
You can argue that there doesn't need to be strong consensus, fine.
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plowsof
MajesticBank "there is no CCS requirement for person to be mentally well" Lol
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nioCat
luigi1111w: yes not hard and fast but it seems that even basic guidelines were ignored in this proposal from someone who rightly criticized other proposals for ignoring those guidelines
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midipoet
If the CCS is to be judged fairly, then i would like to hear 1) from prominent devs and researchers in the community who would like to work with ofrnxmr, and on what topics, 2) whether luigi1111 wants to work with ofrnxmr on the CCS Hack response, and 3) from prominent community members on whether we should pre-fund 12 months of work from someone that has never complete a CCS proposal before.
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nioCat
certainly the proposed year timeframe for a CCS that is certainly contentious would never be accepted and yet...........there it is
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luigi1111w
all fair questions. I do think a year is too much for a beginning proposal.
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plowsof
reg ccs hack response iirc hackerindustrial (of monero seedsigner) was given image(s) of the computer(s) and no further updates have arrived yet, is my assumption correct luigi?
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plowsof
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Yes, plenty of people do that. We don't need to PAY people to do work like that, especially when you can't measure/take account for the actual work done.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Show me another proposal that takes all the money upfront. This isn't how CCS is done.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Are we going to pay all people who have been in the community 1+ years now?
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> 100% - if people want to donatae why not just send it to him privately to his address?
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MajesticBank
if that model is sustainable and they can bring something to the table
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MajesticBank
seems ofcxmr is learning coding?
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> This is the exact issue.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Are you going to help support everyone who has helped XMR in anyway with money?
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> just unban ofrn
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> easy fix
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> There are plently of people who work tirelessly for the community, I don't see them getting a 208 XMR payday.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> unban snex too
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Why is he any different?
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plowsof
Anyone can make a ccs proposal
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> That's not the point.
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MajesticBank
I am kind of sorry a lot more people don't apply for CCS proposal
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MajesticBank
because they are honest people
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MajesticBank
well if we can't have honest people give us w/e we can have
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Nothing stops anyone from donating to them.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> You are acting as if CCS is the only way to give to some one.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Everyone posts their donation addresses, its not secret.
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MajesticBank
It is kind of secret tho
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MajesticBank
anyway
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MajesticBank
we shouldn't be gatekeepers
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> No its not. he has a publically listed address.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> No its not. he has a Publically listed address.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> So let's approve all CCS proposals then?
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MajesticBank
put him on 3 months
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plowsof
Snex was banned from only offtopic after libera OPs where involved when some comments broke the CoC. He began filling this room with offtopic, i kindly asked him to stop, he refused/continued/joked that he woukd continue until unbanned from off topic, then i remembered it should have been a monero wode ban ravfx
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plowsof
Wide*
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> That is one of the main concerns. He has no milestons/accountability.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> If he said 3 months and see how it goes, then its less of an issues.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> He's just saying pay me 208 XMR and maybe I'll do what I say I will.
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MajesticBank
give him supervisor how you call it w/e
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> We ARE supervising him by critiquing his proposal.
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DataHoarder
17:13:34 <MajesticBank> I am kind of sorry a lot more people don't apply for CCS proposal
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DataHoarder
procrastination and attention span from my part ngl
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MajesticBank
we are low on critics currently in the community
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> This sounds reasonable. We could maybe add, that this is reduced to a normal 3/6 month proposal. Also I'd like that he pinky promises to work on his anger control. Because everyone should be as rational as possible in this community when discussing stuff.
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midipoet
> we are low on critics currently in the community
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midipoet
No we aren't. Critique arrives, when required, and almost always in an honest, open, respectful and pragmatic fashion.
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> Maybe the answer should be to pay more people instead of less. I'd like to monero to flourish and for that we can't expect people with valueable skills to do it for free.
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midipoet
mrwonderland: so now pay him to promise to act on his anger issues?
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> We already got that discution before.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> like replace CSS for donate to actual MONERO dev or something like that
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midipoet
How about, he puts in a rational CCS, supported explicitly by the people he professes to want to work alongside in the community, and then we withhold payment until he completes the proposed work AND whilst maintaining his (and everyone elses) sanity whilst doing so. MajesticBank has already offered to be his babysitter, so that bit is solved.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> On a 3 month basis.
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> No. I'd like to hear, like you said, from the people that would work with him etc.
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> The 'working on anger problems' is just an additional requirement to approve that ccs.
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> Paid upfront, as he already showed that he works in large for the monero community.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> No, in milestones, like other CCS proposals.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Where do you see people being paid upfront?
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MajesticBank
midipoet: bro not sure that was in respectful manner anyway I don't have any gain from this proposal and hadn't offered anything
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> I think this is a general problem with the system. Why shouldn't TRUSTED people, that already showed that they work for monero reliably, be paid upfront (for like 3 month)?
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plowsof
Haveno front end had funds upfront. A closed proposal has asked for 50% upfront
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plowsof
j0j0xmr please do some research. Asking the void to "show me" is not a good way to learn or prove a point if youve bot looked into it yourself
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Then apply it to everyone, selsta, jberman, etc. Its a slap in the face to those contributors who follow the CCS rules.
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m-relay
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Look at selsta's proposal. The should be the template for anyone wanting to contribute.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Why should ofnrxmr, who can't even compare to selsta, get special treatment?
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DataHoarder
3 months
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Put him on a 3 month proposal, with clear objectives and milestones, paid out monthly, no upfront payments.
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DataHoarder
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plowsof
Some contributors do not even want upfront payments
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> Yes! This is what I'm talking about. I would donate to the proposal of selsta for example where he gets payed upfront for like 3 month.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> You won't support selsta because they're not paid upfront? You know they still get the money right?
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> What a strange thing to say.
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> If the upfront payment for like 1-3 month is clear to the donaters, then there's no reason to not pay him upfront. If people don't want him to be paid upfront, they won't donate.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Selsta is the one who made the proposal, and is clearly OK with being paid that way, so what's the problem exactly?
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> You won't support selsta because they don't get paid upfront?
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> What? I support(ed) his proposals either way. Please read what I write and don't assume stuff.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> " I would donate to the proposal of selsta for example where he gets payed upfront for like 3 month."
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Be clear then.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Anyway, this is my suggestion. Have ofrnxmr follow the standard template for a contributor proposal.
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> Exactly. I did NOT write: 'I wouldn't support him, if he doesn't want to get paid upfront' or 'I only support selsta if he wants to be paid upfront'
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> I was clear, to my knowledge.
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nioCat
I've been at my job for 8 years, always reliable
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> You supported either way so there's no issue. Being paid after completing a milestone is standard.
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nioCat
imma gunna ask for the next 12 months pay up front
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m-relay
<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> Yes do it. It's not totally abnormal to pay for something upfront, or at least partially. But yes you can make a strawman with 12 month when I said 1-3 month.
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luigi1111w
<plowsof> reg ccs hack response iirc hackerindustrial (of monero seedsigner) was given image(s) of the computer(s) and no further updates have arrived yet, is my assumption correct luigi? <= yeah haven't heard anything back
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plowsof
nioCat i hope your 12 month vacation. You deserve it
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plowsof
s/your/you enjoy your
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> I pay my internet and phone service upfront
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> And they don't give me credit when it die so I actually pay the internet service upfront so I can stay perma-online
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> And they don't give me credit when it die so I actually pay three internet service upfront so I can stay perma-online
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m-relay
<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who am I and how did I get here?
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nioCat
ok imma gunna only ask for 3 months, that should be approved
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plowsof
s/12/3
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nioCat
rotten yes
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nioCat
the last CCS that paid upfront worked well :D
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nioCat
it's simple, there are deliverables, finish x amount for a milestone, get paid
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nioCat
this proposal has no deliverables or milestones
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nioCat
ofrn knows how it works, he has criticized proposals for their failings
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nioCat
and yet this is what he proposes when he knows better
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nioCat
very strange
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Exactly, not hard to understand.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Its almost as if there are sock accounts saying this time is different. Strange.
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Maybe I don't understand the CCS rules. plowsof is this OK?
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plowsof
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Please replace Gitlab with something usable.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> After getting a phone number to get verified, it now ask for credit card detail. So I can't comment on a CCS or open a CCS..
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Full on complete KYC power trip, start by asking email, then phone number and then credit card details.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Can they at least ask the whole package from the beginning instead lol
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m-relay
<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Just sign in with Github.
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nioCat
credit card for something you don't pay for?
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> It does the same thing
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> I tried to link a github account before even trying to get a phone number
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yep, with full name and address info
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> like I said, full on KYC power trip
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nioCat
address = 1983 Chevy
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nioCat
various locations
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nioCat
at least they haven't made it retroactive
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> I don't know how they verify the cards.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> I guess I could get a prepaid cc from coinsbee and put a bogus name/address but afaik they can detect if it's a gift card so I expect full loss of time for that
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> We need to host all monero related git on our own stuff
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> using some network distributed file system
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> everyone who host could provide a clearned and .onion address.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> That could work I guess.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> Have to be sure everything get replicate on all participating servers
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> So someone can open a PR on X server and someone else merge the same PR on Y server
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plowsof
Sadly if you login to the ccs gitlab with your GH account you cant fork the ccs proposals repo
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> We really need a decentralized mean to git monero stuff.
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m-relay
<ravfx:xmr.mx> So Anyone can participate and... Whatif the admins ask the corpo to ditch monero?
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midipoet
MajesticBank: you don't need to call me bro, either respectfully or not. We have already reached loose consensus that ofrnxmr has "anger management issues". he is currently banned from community channels because of this. You seemed to agree he would require some direct oversight to ensure he doesn't continue to be disruptive. This after (it seems) he receives a payout upfront for work that has no milestones, no
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midipoet
deliverables, and no clear indication of concrete direction. You said "give him supervisor how you call it w/e". Who is that supervisor going to be, if not you? Will that supervisor also be paid up front?
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> i have anger issues too @majesticbank can you fund me
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midipoet
I honestly don't understand how people think the proposal, in it's current guise, should be taken seriously and actually meaningfully discussed.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> i took a look - is he trying to get into core? is that the proposal?
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> nothing was really clear
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<xmrscott:monero.social> He clarifies in the proposal comments he gets paid €25,500 for existing. "I am the deliverable".
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> Hi guys
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> I am currently running
txcity.io a forked version of txstreet, with 5 chains and 1k unique user visits aprox
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> and XMR needs some upgrades and changes, check this github :
txstreet/processor #2
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> need your opinion on whether i can create a fundraiser for my work and infrastructure cost coverage for up to 1 year
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plowsof
Why does txcity dot io have monero under construction/disabled and
tx.town/v/xmr-btc works*? Also
ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/txstreet-2021.html
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plowsof
Feels like more of a bounty to get the issue foxed upstream?
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> so its a joke or....?
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<xmrscott:monero.social> It's not a joke insofar as if objections aren't raised it will get merged by Core and now the project will have the precedent of endorsing a blank check five figure CCS for someone existing
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luigi1111w
that's not quite right, unless there's significant positive engagement. It's also quite far from the norm and core would have concerns before merging even if there was only positive sentiment
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<xmrscott:monero.social> Thank you for the correction on Core criteria on merges
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<spackle_xmr:matrix.org> web3dopamine: You may want to read this log if you are not seeing responses to your question on element/matrix:
libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240409
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<spackle_xmr:matrix.org> As plowsof pointed out, there was a very similar earlier CCS for txstreet that was funded.
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<321bob321:monero.social> If you break it down its 51xmr for 3 months. Erc was 33xmr. I think its the way its written that people get annoyed.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Also isnt there a limit on how long it can fo for?
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<321bob321:monero.social> go*
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> there are issues with tx.town (another fork of txstreet) as mentioned in github issue, i can also run the same version tho as it is open-source
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> I like to fix and add features to Monero
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> yes, it is kind of a bounty you can assume
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> yes, i am full aware of the funding round that happened in 2021 [
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccsproposals/-/merge_requests/217
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> This requires decent amount of work and effort hence the ask :)
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<escapethe3ra:matrix.org> @luigi1111:libera.chat @luigi1111:monero.social check mail
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luigi1111w
it's already done
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luigi1111w: Can we move the GBP proposal to funding required?
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<web3dopamine:matrix.org> i was running XMR for sometime but the XMR node is not v stable when too many tranxs hit and the effort to run and maintain XMR on txcity is high
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dEBRUYNE yes. vol buffer seems odd without some usd target tho
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I think they based their price on a recent rate and added 10% for a vol buffer?
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Doesn't seem that out of place
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luigi1111w> dEBRUYNE yes <= Thanks!
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> looks like an upfront payment of 208 xmr from what i read
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dEBRUYNE yeah it's just confusing since there is no USD amount listed. We are figuring it out
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luigi1111w
given cipherstack history (and that it's not a sole person) I'd think upfront payment could be an option. Volatility would be less relevant then and donors could maybe save some money
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<321bob321:monero.social> Rip vote bypassed
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Once paid it's there own money management yeah.
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Can't complain because monero moved
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luigi1111w: That works too I suppose, but would have to be included in the proposal
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yes I agree, just thinking aloud
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<endor00:matrix.org> Of course the proposal isn't meaningful. Its goal (besides the free money) is to turn the ban into a popularity contest - exactly as ofrn himself has said on his own twitter account in his unhinged rant against xmrscott
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<endor00:matrix.org> If anyone else had posted a similar proposal and ofrn were here, he'd be screaming "SCAMMER" off the top of his lungs nonstop everywhere
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<321bob321:monero.social> Needs workshopping
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<321bob321:monero.social> Clearly hes pissed off. I would be too
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<321bob321:monero.social> One reason social media is bad
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<321bob321:monero.social> People vent on it
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Diego: Please see comments above ^
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<diego:cypherstack.com> The volatility thing is because milestones are not paid out right away yes
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<diego:cypherstack.com> If things are paid up front I can remove the volatility buffer. Or I can put the USD price. Either one. Which do you all prefer?
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luigi1111w
diego are you going to do seraphis and bp concurrently?
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dukenukem
'We've recently made a proposal to review the general Seraphis paper. After some discussion with MRL, including at an official MRL meeting, it was decided that while all parties do want this done eventually, there are perhaps some more immediate wins available for Monero's privacy tech, particularly in the form of Generalized Bulletproofs (GBP).'
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I think they're doing GBP first, Seraphis one should be closed.
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Or left open until ready to be merged.
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luigi1111w
oh thanks
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<rbrunner7:monero.social> That was also my take-away from the meeting: They will change course from Seraphis to GBP
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<321bob321:monero.social> Imagine if this was all a waste of time :(
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nioCat
rbrunner7 AIUI Seraphis will still be developed in parallel. If so I imagine the Seraphis paper will be reviewed depending on priority.
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plowsof
Volatility buffer for an xmr amount seemed off yes
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nioCat
what are your thoughts on this? Timing and ____
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yeah the point that bp is now and seraphis is ~later answers my q
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plowsof
Can the MRL meeting not confirm whats happening?
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nioCat
yeah, asking for a response to inform the wonderful people here :)
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MRL only makes appropriate decisions
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plowsof
I ask because, we merged the original bp++ peer review early* and it caused somewhat of a "huh?" , and there are 2 proposals open from CS.. both merging? Just one for now? Kayabanerves making one? Does it depend which one is merged/done first?
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<rucknium:monero.social> According to MRL discussions with Diego Salazar , Generalized Bulletproofs Security Proofs (CCS #443) has general support to be moved to funding now. It is hoped and planned that the work in the Seraphis General Paper Review proposal (CCS #441) will take place after the Generalized Bulletproofs Security Proofs. However, the work to do the Seraphis General Paper Review may be bundl<clipped message>
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<rucknium:monero.social> ed with other Seraphis work. The Seraphis General Paper Review proposal (CCS #441) is still in a draft state. I believe that is the state of things.
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<rucknium:monero.social> Diego Salazar maybe can confirm.
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<rucknium:monero.social>
libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20240405#c359213 <kayabanerve:matrix.org> I explicitly asked Diego if they wanted to be part of my proposal or on their own [for Generalized Bulletproofs Security Proofs]. They chose their own. I have no alternative to propose and support CS doing the review. I have yet to review/comment on that CCS specifically.
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<rucknium:monero.social>
libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20240404#c357920 jberman said "Ok, I'm thinking it'll probably take quite a bit of time to put a research fund like this in place (select committee, open large proposal, get community feedback, get it funded) especially with this FCMP CCS on the radar. My requested/suggested course of action for @Diego / CS: stick with a new one-of<clipped message>
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<rucknium:monero.social> f CCS proposal for GBP proofs. The research fund is a good long-term idea and MRL folk should seek to move forward with it separately"
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And if Diego Salazar can reduce this 10% buffer if x% is paid upfront? Hypothetical: the general fund pre finds 50% of the req amount (releases dorectly without theb10% buffer) the ccs is then merged for the community to raise 50% hypothetical.. ive not asked anyone about this just an idea
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<321bob321:monero.social> I thought the process was vote at meeting
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nioCat
I believe that MRL will finalize tomorrow
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nioCat
I give it a 100% chance of being given the go ahead
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nioCat
there were 2 things that were requested to be changed in the CCS proposal and those have been completed
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<321bob321:monero.social> Its more about the process then the proposal. Stops people whinging about merging outside vote
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nioCat
sure
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meeting Saturday
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<321bob321:monero.social> 3-4 day wait
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nioCat
omg
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nioCat
MRL should give its blessing tomorrow
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nioCat
the details of amount and how it's to be paid TBD
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plowsof
Mrl meeting tomorrow ye
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midipoet
321bob321: as far as i am aware there are no strict rules about how and where consensus is reached for CCS proposals. Also, it should be noted that not all votes are strictly equal in the community either, unfortunately.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Apologies been out
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<321bob321:monero.social> I thought the process was
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<321bob321:monero.social> 1. Make proposal
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<321bob321:monero.social> 2. Plowsof brings cake to meeting
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<321bob321:monero.social> 3. Attend meeting, answer questions
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<321bob321:monero.social> 4. Community votes
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<321bob321:monero.social> 5. Merge or windows recycling bin
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plowsof
MRL brings the cake for this one / should sign off on it, officially tomorrow. They have also asked for more autonomy so that would be a steo forward
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nioCat
I thought it was cookies
i.imgur.com/g22h0Sk.png
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plowsof
Also, if no buffer was mentioned with the same amount then we wouldnt even be talking about this and the community is still saving money by going with CS. This should be taken into account if a quick solution can't be made to remove that % in a way CS can agree with e.g. my idea of some % upfront from a GF contribution
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<ayakasakura:matrix.org> Oh man, I got hacked! But hey, I made it into a song.
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<ayakasakura:matrix.org> I've been turning the real-time chaos captured on my phone and computer into songs to spread the word. I'm keeping this up, turning each real moment into music. This is the face of national censorship in Japan, but I'm not backing down. Let's make this go viral!
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<smthsweet:the-apothecary.club> the above got kicked out of the open hardware chat here on matrix
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<detherminal:matrix.org> Hey everybody, I have opened a new proposal for development of a new 'good' mobile wallet. You can check out more on here:
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/445