Good UI/UX. (Come on, there isn't a good looking mobile wallet out there)

don't tell diego that :D

stack wallet

also it's weird to thumbs up your own proposal

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> D:

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> What does "Implements not only wallet, but the ecosystem." mean?

I assume they implement swap services or other tools like signatures

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Please, please, please do not accept this CCS request. It looks like Monero is being attacked right now because of how bad this looks. ofrnxmr is making it seem like he is exit scamming with this proposal and I beg it doesn't get approved. In other news, there is a positive in all this. Is it possible for Monero to consider a DAO instead of CCS? I think that with the current artif<clipped message

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> icial support for ofrnxmr, it calls into question how vulnerable CCS is and it doesn't hurt to consider an alternative

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> To be completely honest, I think that ofrnxmr is using this valid ban by xmrscott as an excuse to extract money from this community. It doesn't take a genius to create an alt account and continue helping people out

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Yeah, exactly like that and don't worry I won't change the app to a shitshow bloatware

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I'm very new to the crypto scene and monero haha

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> How did you hear about Monero? You got lucky choosing to look into Monero as someone who is new to crypto

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> 99.99% of crypto coins are ponzi schemes

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Do you have pics of the UI?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Yeah, I'm very interested in privacy/anonymity and opsec/cybersecurity essentially but I've never actually used any cryptocurrency before but I want to be able to have an anonymous way of purchasing things once physical cash ceases to exist and more and more places are rejecting cash these days... I want an anonymous way of purchasing stuff

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> No, not designed yet.

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> It sucks where I live in the world privacy and anonymity is heavily heavily regulated and controlled... Australia sucks... I even had to figure out how to buy monero from an unknown exchange because all the major banks block buying crypto from major exchanges (and put a mandatory 24 hour hold) so I had to do a lot of research on finding an exchange to pay credit card to xmr withou<clipped message>

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> t being blocked by the banks... Binance and Kraken will immediately ban your account if you use any major Aussie bank so...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> And they don't sell XMR to Australia anymore because we officially delisted it :/

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> So I had to buy from monero.com/changenow and the taxes/fees were brutal tbh but atleast it was legit and it came through without a 24 hour hold and also wasn't blocked...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> So I had to buy from monero.com/changenow and the taxes/fees were brutal tbh but atleast it was legit and it came through without a 24 hour hold and also wasn't blocked by the bank...

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Have you looked into localmonero?

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> What does "Private by default" mean?

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Or haveno/serai that are coming out soon?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I bought 100 AUD worth of XMR and because of all the taxes/fees and network costs and conversion costs from btc to xmr I ended up receiving $81 AUD of xmr in the end...

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> There are better ways of buying Monero!

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Without incurring a fee that big

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Yeah looks a bit hard tbh especially considering I have to buy PayId or something and you don't know if the person you are buying from on localmonero is legit either compared to like monero.com/changenow they are legit because they are sponsored by cakewallet

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Yeah looks a bit hard tbh especially considering I have to use PayId or something or revolut or some weird version of digital payment and you don't know if the person you are buying from on localmonero is legit either compared to like monero.com/changenow they are legit because they are sponsored by cakewallet...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Changenow.io is very easy to just deposit money directly from credit card to xmr

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> localmonero.co/buy-monero-with-aud-in-australia

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> You mentioned that you're in Australia. There is a way to purchase XMR by sending cardless cash codes via an ATM

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> There won't be any movements that compromises privacy like sending requests to third party for price etc. These will be optional to be enabled later.

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Changenow.io is very easy to just deposit money directly from credit card to receieve xmr

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> How does that work?

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> If the person on localmonero has a high rating you will certainly get your XMR. If for some reason the person scams you, you can easily get a refund

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Correct but changenow.io can request for KYC and lock your funds if you buy a high amount

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> True

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> If you're buying from a CEX, check out all these other options from kycnot.me

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Thats why I won't buy high just 100 here and there

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Let me get a video. There is a similar method used in Mexico

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> by high amount how much do you mean btw considering "high amount" could mean anything tbh banofrnxmr ?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Like 1,000 $ or 100,000 $ how much do you mean by "high amount"?

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> It depends but as a rule of thumb I'd say 1k+ is a high amount for chagenow

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> It depends but as a rule of thumb I'd say 1k+ is a high amount for changenow

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> So just each time buy like $100 yeah?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Yeah changenow is kyc but they are better then other kyc exchanges as they just require your name, address, phone number etc (which is still very kyc) but they don't require an actual selfie or drivers license being uploaded... So they still manage to do KYC better then other KYC exchanges surprisingly

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> If you want to sure but be aware that changenow keeps logs of your purchase. If Australia becomes more Orwellian than it already is, I wouldn't be surprised if Australian authorities requested for people in Australia buying Monero in the future. Changenow would have to comply

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> They are based in Estonia or something

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> According to this: kycnot.me/service/changenow

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Changenow can request for KYC at any time. There is no "big amount"

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> They could just say "fuck you AFP I ain't complying"

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Binance was based in nowhere and Australia still banned it?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Well because they are a major exchange I'm guessing

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Hmm

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Yeah you are right tbh

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I have to be more logical and intelligent here and not just anti government and mad lol

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> I live in Canada and our government is just as bad as yours

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> True :/

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Umm actually not quite your government has a lot of good laws but they did the thing with the truckers but compared to here on an overall basis they are quite a bit less draconian then here...

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> nitter.poast.org/DBrozeLiveFree/status/1775989506761523234

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> I imagine it will be something similar to this

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Like the cops here can hack your PC without a warrant if they suspect you are committing a crime (like just a crime that would classify as 3 or more years in the clink) not even national security stuff necessarily... That is really fucked up... And the cops here don't require any warrant to access metadata and browsing history of customers from ISPs whatsoever...

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> True, exchanges here don't ban you if you use a major bank. That sounds like a nightmare

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Also the anti encryption laws and stuff where they are trying to force facebook, whatsapp and etc to backdoor your device if they receive a "notice" with a malicious update...

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Damn it. Wasn't Australia built by criminals anyway? How is this country that bad

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Ikr... :((

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/austral…ption-law-in-works-in-2015-document Have a read of this bruh... Really really scary stuff!!

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Well anyways for your purchase amounts feel free to use changenow but there are better options I linked above. They do require more effort but you won't have to worry about losing your funds or being blacklisted

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> True

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I will probably do that if and when I'm forced to...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> For the time being I'm ok with the taxes lol especially for 100 it's not like I'm losing half it's only 19% that's quite a bit but still...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> GST here for products is 10% taxes anyways so I'm used to paying lots of product tax for things lol

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> For example the Herald Sun newspaper costs $1 AUD but actually costs $1.10 AUD when you buy it from any shop because of product tax...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Same for all items at shops

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> pretty much...

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> it started as a prison island and not much has changed

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Sadly true...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vat is 20%? No

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> There's this Australian youtuber who came up in my recommended called friendlyjordies. His house was firebombed by a big gang I believe and the police tried to silence him. Australia is still run by criminals by the looks of it but they only care about controlling the weak

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Especially from the last 5 years Australia has turned into a Chinese style CCP type George Orwell nightmare pretty much I mean even fucking Coles and grocery stores/shops have employed facial recognition cameras "tO kEeP cUsToMeRs SaFe AnD pReVeNt ShOpLiFtInG" as if regular CCTVS can't already accomplish that? Why do they need to incorporate facial recognition highly invasive DNA <clipped message>

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> matching technology to achieve that?? Shits fucked... Thats why I always wear my covid mask outside for as long as I can lol to prevent mass surveillance by this surveillance state we live under tbh... It's effective to helping against facial recognition cameras... Cap and covid mask...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Especially from the last 5 years Australia has turned into a Chinese style CCP type George Orwell nightmare pretty much I mean even fucking Coles and grocery stores/shops have employed facial recognition cameras "tO kEeP cUsToMeRs SaFe AnD pReVeNt ShOpLiFtInG" as if regular CCTVS can't already accomplish that? Why do they need to incorporate facial recognition highly invasive DNA <clipped message>

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> matching technology to achieve that?? Shits fucked... Thats why I always wear my covid mask outside for as long as I can lol to prevent mass surveillance by this surveillance state we live under tbh... It's effective to helping against facial recognition cameras... Cap and covid mask... But yeah... Shit is beyond fucked tbh...

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> What...

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> I guess Monero is working as intended if you can purchase it without much issue in a country like that

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Ah looks like they have temporarily halted the facial recognition cameras in those shops from the public outrage/outcry but they were used for months before and now they are stopped... But they will almost certainly try and try again!

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> banofrnxmr: theguardian.com/australia-news/2022…se-of-facial-recognition-technology

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> theconversation.com/bunnings-kmart-…s-what-it-might-mean-for-you-185126

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I think they have also halted doing this for now because of the public outrage/outcry but they were using facial recognition cameras on customers and everyone who stepped foot into the facility for months and months before the public knew so it's only a matter of time before they try this again and be more discreet about this... So whenever I'm out in public or go to the shops I j<clipped message>

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> ust assume they are using facial recognition cameras tbh...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I think they have also halted doing this for now because of the public outrage/outcry but they were using facial recognition cameras on customers and everyone who stepped foot into the facility for months and months before the public knew so it's only a matter of time before they try this again and be more secretive/discreet about this next time... So whenever I'm out in public or<clipped message>

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> go to the shops I just assume they are using facial recognition cameras tbh...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Is what is though

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Is it safe using my actual number for signal in your opinion there wouldn't be a different version of Signal for aussies then the rest of the world right? Thoughts?

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> Impossible to tell. When evaluating opsec we need to understand your threat model. If your threat model is a script kiddie, then that's fine. If your threat model is law enforcement, that may do but there are better options. If your threat model is the government, then no that won't work

<b​anofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org> @trasherdk:monero.social Why do you support an exit scammer?

Hey shithead

Who are you>

Use your real account

since when do we hide behind alts to attack contributors

Xmrscott, wheres your banhammer m, fkn pussy

Banofrn? I am banned

Exitscammer? Exit with what? My particl abd wownero? I havent made a penny from from monero

Again, whata with this faggot bullshit

Everytime im banned, this sissy pos kicks back and allows non-contributors to attack me

Last time, they attacked like fkn 20 ppl, accused everyone lf being my alt

What kind of absolute dog fucking moderation is this?

Scott bans me bcuz hes sgps little bitch

And no other reason

Why does trasherdk stand with ofrnxmr? Idk. Maybe bcuz hes not a "see ya next year" part time nobody

Some ppl around here use their real handles, and sign their name next to their endorsements

Who tf is this alt? Is that rottencuck?

And for anyone who has a problem with my tone - suck my dick

Yall aint got no problem with useless pieces of shit using alts to talk shit and question long tine community members

Banofrnxmr is hilariously retarded

banofrnxmr > next sentence: haveno

Lmfao 🤡

Exit scamming 🤣. Kid, im so heavily invokved in your faavorite projects, you might as well ban yourself

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Wait whats going on? Are dankweb exit scammers on this server??

now, for those who are willing to login to their real accounts, any questions?

Banofrnxmr@bitcoiner has a pinecone up his ass

The only exit scam i know of, is ercicciones haveno

If im exit scamming, why did i just bring 0xfffc back? Dumb cuck

And why am i speaking so aggressively, im im actually sitting here giggling like a school girl?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> m-relay: I genuinely can't even understand you :/

apologies

Im responding to this

"valid ban by xmrscott as an excuse to extract money from this community. "

Is this scott speaking 🤣🤣🤣

Let me chill with the shit talk for a second, and speak some facts

Sorry about the chain of msgs, but linebreaks dont work on irc (afaik).

(regarding this "valid" ban)

scott claims 5 mods have warned me. This 5 are. Him, sgp, erc, endor, and perhaps luigi. Out of those 5. Erc and sgp were made to step down

Erc quit as site coordinator and was fired as mod/admin

Scott claims that ofrnxmr and cake have issues

Tuxsudo and tanner of cske both upvoted c

vik demoted sgp, and kicked banhammer. I am not banned in any cake room, and cake made it clear they do not want me banned

Tobtoht also unbanned me in feather.

Now, for those 5 mods. Endor has an active ccs

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Here's a fact, ofrn: if you were reviewing a proposal like yours from anyone else, you'd be screaming "SCAMMER" off the top of your lungs. You are deliberately making noise and stirring drama - as usual - and trying to steal money from donors for a nonsense proposal with no deliverables - and no, *you* are not a deliverable

(If you can call it active)

Stfu, go finish YOUR ccs, clown ass loser

How many more yrs do you need?

Endor has 1 vote. Ill accept his downvote. Now you can go back to finish your scam ccs, fkn idiot

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Ah yes - my ccs is not done yet, therefore I can't criticize you for trying to scam the community? Brilliant logic

who's scamming the comm&njty?

mj

Your partner?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> This is not a popularity contest. This is being deliberately malicious

Who you made sure got paid out?

No, youre a fuckin idiot

Period

dont know wtf youre talking about

You* dont know

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Oh look, here goes the lie again about me being partner with mj. I called him out for scamming too, and now I'm calling you out too

N( you didnt

You agreed for him tk be paid out in full, you supported his scam

And now you hold his bags like a bitch

Funny how scammers are callibg me a scammer

buy ive never scammed anyone, ever

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Ah yes, that great bag of 0 that I'm holding for him, brilliant

Clown ass endor is a mod

But lets alts talk shit

Reminds me of when mj threatened to kill me, and you did nothing but defend him

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Once again, you are just filling this chat with nothing but worthless noise. And trying to scam the community asking free money upfront to do fuck all

thats your opini(n, youre welcone tk it

Now get off my dick

Nobody was talking to you

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Another lie, again. I was the one trying to get him to act reasonably. But of course you'll use any excuse to pin his shit on me

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Just like a liar and gaslighter would

Im filling the chat woth noise? Are you blind?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> An indication of what outcome to expect if your proposal were to pass

pib what on you?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Where are your buddies claiming how good of a friend and how nice to them you always have been?

The lack of moderation of your friends?

Or your biased moderation?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Go back to your twitter ramblings

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I think you should forget that mj exists and focus on your proposal. Also longer messages please.

"Where are your buddies claiming how good of a friend and how nice to them you always have been?"

What are you talking about??

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The 0 friends that I have? Or are you referring to the guy that I voted in favour of banning?

siren, i was speaking about the user "banofrnxmr" and the lack of moderation

And responding to scotts bullshit accusations and then endkr showed up

Endor - please stfu

I dont know and dont care what youre talking about

Go do some work

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The whole point of this proposal is to make noise and stir shit. It's one more opportunity to gaslight and lie. And if nobody pushes back, the lie becomes the truth. This is deliberate malicious behaviour from someone who already got banned (at least on matrix) for acting exactly like this countless times already

Genius. You figured me out

You can stfu now. Considering your as dumb as you sound

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "Go do some work" - how about you start including deliverable work in your proposal too? At least mine has that - hence why I haven't been paid yet

Mj was paid, he was supposed to deliver the whole ccs

You changed that. scammer payer

Pot calling the kettle black, except im not a scammer. You are

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I love how your only retort when you know you can't contradict me is always "stfu now, u dumb" once we get past the whataboutism. You are admitting I'm right and you have no good comeback for it

no, im tellibg you to stfu

Because youre opinion is the definition of baseless hate

Because youre opinion is the definition of baseless hate

youre a biased and malicious "mod". You're in here allowing literal alts (probably you or your friends) to talk baseless bullshit and attack me

Just becauae you want to do it yourself

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I too think if you saw your own proposal you wouldn't have liked it or called it out. I think you can do better.

im not talking abo&t that

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Hate? Dude, I don't care enough about you to hate you. But I care enough about Monero to call your shit out. And the fact that you keep focusing on trying to shut me down, instead of addressing all the real criticism about your proposal goes to show, once more, how the proposal itself has no real value

youre a clown bro

Solopt has 0 value

Mj dev ccs has 0 value

You hace 0 value

You cant even moderate impartially

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And this justifies your proposal how?

if youll stfu, i was getting there before you came in started trying to change the subject

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Oh, it doesn't

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes, you were getting there. After spending half an hour berating everyone first

I was like 1 min and 30sec in when you showed up,

And by everyone, you mean "banofrnxmr:bitcoiner"?

Who's that? Your boyfriend?

First: i was setting the record straight. You dont like the facts, so you rudely interrupted me.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> 1m30s:

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c360892

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c360935

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You must be travelling at light speed

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Setting the record straight, by repeating the same debunked lies about me and others?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> How about you answer the hard questions first, like kayabanerve's points? libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240408#c360027

Probably bcuz i never saw them?

"ofrnxmr is effectively asking for an official position of power" < misread the ccs

"While they believe they have been harassed themselves and therefore entitled to harass others, I'd argue no one in a position of power should be actively harassing others." Not sure what is being referred to here. Xmrscott?

If so, xmrscott is a lying sack of shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wait so ofrnxmr is back and he is insulting endor??

And ill say that 100x a day. Its not harassment to call a spade a spade, especially when the spade is activelt lying about the landscape

<r​brunner7:monero.social> The current density of the words "dick" and "fuck" is a bit high, don't you all think?

Id agree, if i wasnt allowed to be attacked non stop in my absence

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> omg, there is like zero debate possible on the guy attitude now.

rules only apply when they help your narrative

Synthetic, i see no reason to treat brats with professional respect

I stand by what i said about mods who allow alts to attack people

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Did you seriously respond "not sure what is being referred to here", when your own proposal has an entire section where you cry about being the victim? And then your own messages, just from earlier (on top of the many before your ban), are again berating people who you dislike/disagree with you? And even in the CCS comments your entire response to questions about your attitude is <clipped message>

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "you don't have to like my flavor"? And the question was for YOU, not scott

Cry about being the victim?

huh?

Berating "people"? You mean, an alt acct?

Not even a person, but a literal account made for the sole purpose of attacking my person. Im berating them now am i

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm gonna pick up screenshots and make an archive titled: ofrnxmr_evidence_for_posterity.tar.gz

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because we were having a discussion on mods decision but I think no one is doubting on them anymore

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c361028 So you are deliberately being disrespectful to people - even though you (and everyone else) should be acting professional (especially in this room) and you claim you want to be here to help people? This doesn't instill much faith in your proposal

People??

I read 2 msgs and responded

I have not read any backlog for weeks, months

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> SyntheticBird45 | The monero.social relay bot: we have libera.monerologs.net/monero-community for that, no need for screenshots

Banofrnxmr alt, thata oh so professional

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah because "If so, xmrscott is a lying sack of shit" is also professional ig

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Sure, sure. So the accounts spamming "#freeofrn" weren't yours, right? Will you complain about those too?

Nice to know you have high standards when it comes to how biased to can be 👍

endor00. Correct

They were not mine, at all

I wasnt even aware

And thats a fkn fact

💀

Now i wonder. What did i miss 🤣

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You accused <insert someone here> of making alts to attack you, so I gave another example of suspicious alts. I mean, for all we know, you could be the one behind banofrnxmr: and using that as an excuse. Funny how that account - who is so much against you - showed up just before you did, and is now incredibly silent. You'd think someone who dedicated their entire account to be aga<clipped message>

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> inst you would have something to say about all this

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I want to make a CCS proposal to actively DDoSing Luigi1111w until he rename himself Waluigi1111w

(actually, i dont care. Wasn't me, wasnt told, wasnt party)

I thought it was you, since you popped up as soon as i responded

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (inb4 we get another reply from banofrnxmr)

i dont do alts bud

Never have, never will.

At all. Period.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "(actually, i dont care. Wasn't me, wasnt told, wasnt party)" - but when I say I have nothing to do with mj I'm still a liar and a scammer and I'm his buddy? No, you can't have it both ways

Yes

You had mj paid out in full

And now community has no solopt, bcuz you paid the project manager to leave, and you arent delivering

Mj leaving solopt was changing a deliverable to a nondeliverable 80% through the project

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I had no idea my name was luigi 🤔

"home assistant is an optional milestone now" is what i recall

You agreed to take over and finish the project, when the ccs was written that mj would stay until completion.

I waiting in suspence for my hater alt to return

Thats the only reason i showed up here

Suspense. Because of someone using an alt to attack me out of pocket, and i assumed it had been going on longer than "just started"

Aside from that, i just wanted to correct a few inaccuracies

like the bs scott says about my ban. Like i threatened ppl

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So you you accuse me of not delivering on my work on time (which I agreed to take over after someone else tried to scam *me* and abandoned the project on bad terms when it didn't work out) - fair. Then you come up with your own proposal which includes NO mention of deliverable work and demand to be paid upfront?

the two are unrelated

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> How about you address THAT elephant in the room first

the relationship? There is none

My proposal has absolutely nothing to do with you or anyone else

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ladies and gentlemen, the bad faith

Or do you mean, address my deliverables?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I am pointing out the blatant hypocrisy

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And yes, of course I'm talking about your deliverables - or lack thereof

Theres no relation between solopt (a material ccs) and mine (an immaterial one)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wtf, can't he answer the question

maybe heres a delay or something syn, but i am answering the q. You want 1 word answers or wut?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Your proposal is very material. Providing support on public channels is visible (even though that metric could be easily manipulated)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> No delay sync. I asked a question about your deliverables, and you sent 6 messages, 5 of which had nothing to do with it, but tried to steer the coversation offtopic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > hen you come up with your own proposal which includes NO mention of deliverable work and demand to be paid upfront?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> your answers:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > the relationship? There is none

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Or do you mean, address my deliverables?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Theres no relation between solopt (a material ccs) and mine (an immaterial one)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig "(an immaterial one)" is the answer

monero-docs repo maintaining (w powers) or comaintaining (no powers), helping with site and meta in absense of erc (200xmr/yr), full-time/oncall monero-support, and working directly with devs like 0xfffc, investigating multisig ux tobtoht and tecnovert, fees with articmine

the "victim" stuff you talk aboht is nothing of the sort. i was banned for working on meta (by erc, in site and tl), then dan was muted for asking mods to reverse. Luigi reversed on irc, but scott/sgp doubled down and superbanned me on matrix. I was unbanned on matrix in, for example, gui, because (i believe) selsta asked plowsof tto do so

Scott veto'd selsta and rebanned me. Then later rejected selstas request to allow to to assist in gui, claiming i had threatened lives (a lie)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx. And as I said already in your CCS, and as other authors have received while making CCS. ADD. PRECISION. SPECIFIC. DELIVERABLE. This is too vague

Picky picky.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> What work do you *actually* plan to do on each of these points? Specifically. What have you done so far? You should update your proposal and include all those

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I guess according the drama and salt rules of internet, scott could retrieve the life threatening evidence

i had a long chat with artic before mrl convo, oxffc and my work is private but obv public

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Hey, we've learned from the best to be picky about ccs proposal terms and wording :)

Vtnerd is fixed i2p sybil that i brought to his attn, also fixing i2p connection drop

All of this stuff is not specific. It is day to day work

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It would be nice to hear their words out of their own mouths, for the record

I am not a high level dev, and the credit is theirs

I assume they will speak at meeting or comment on ccs

Or upvote

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "My work is private but obv public" - how is private work obviously public?

But they CLEARLY want ?o involvement with "banofrnxmr", and clearly are ok with talking to me in dm

Example. 0xfffc implemented proxy changr via rpc for me

I spoke abt it in -dev first

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah. That's what I call professionalism

And was invokved on the prs and documentation

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And since you mentioned requesting powers for the docs repo - why do you think you need that level of access? (Regardless of the fact that you are requesting it "optionally")

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah that would be very good.

Yeah, syn. They havd np with me. But when ruck invites me to a room > scott bans > ruck talks to scott > ruck unbans > scott rebans > ruck leaves the room

Endor, i dont need merge power, but luigi doesnt want to deal with it

Im more than happy to just do the work and let someone else merge, but i have np handling merges myself

Thats up to plowsof, selsta and luigi, how they want to do it

Same with site. Happy to just write and review prs.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> same level as erc

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Of course - like I said, the question is about "why should you have them at all"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> but does work

Because luigi doesnt want them

Selsta doesnt want them

Ploowsof is overworked

And i should know user docs like the back of my hand

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Ping plowsof [[citation needed]] ^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> over worked under paid

Luigi too. He knows i planned to do docs for a long time. Since monerodocs was down

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm don't understand what you mean

ladies, gentlemen, and all others, this is the person that wants 200 XMR to be "Matrix / Monero first point of contact / customer support".

yes

0xfffc, sneedlewoods, dadajo,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> When is the community meeting ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> sat

Saturday

<3​21bob321:monero.social> this weekend

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll be glad to assist it. Since people you are mentioning will be there, it'll be to occasion to rectify some of my opinions.

feel free to send them

Ill see if i can get folks to comment asap

Example

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If you deem it necessary.

Fud that i did something wrong to cake, but tuxupvoted my ccs and tanner(backend infra) and me are working rn on their nodes

Me and cake are 👍. Vik also unbanned me AND kicked banhammer AND demoted sgp

why did i post on twit about cake? Bcuz i spoke with them in private before, and its only fair to users if they know whats up

Which is when tanner reached out to collab on fixing their nodes

Instead of doing privacy harming stuff to check the nodes, were fixing the nodes.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll wait for the meeting to see it

to see what? Tanner etc?

Hes not on matrix. We collab in twitter dm

And never even told tux of vik about it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> more talking about sgp and Vik

sgp who

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

He doesnt work for cake

I have no relation with sgp, except that he takes work uncredited and pulls bounties without telling you

Left me 200 in the hole after i had to pay a translator out of pockey

Rbrunner7 can vouch for that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i know just related to your latest git issue

ping tux nkw..

Hes here

Tuxsudo

Or tuxpizza, i dont recall

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Sorry, I don't like pinging or dm-ing people for drama.

So what ate you doing? Trying to filibuster the meeting?

You want them to comment on what, exactly?

That they are fixing the issue?

They are

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Whatever people deems important to notify while debating on your CCS. Including args in your favor or against your favor

well, youre the only one askibg for vik and cake to comment, what do you want them to say?

Vik doesnt attend meetings. Tux already upvoted

Tanner liked both of my ccs tweets and messages me to exptess as much

And the fact was / is simple, and myself and tux had a long chat in private about it. Theres no bad blood between me and any wallet maker

Even majestic upvoted

And majestic and i have historically been not the best of friends, to say the least

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Lots of other people doing critical work for Monero get paid after they deliver their work, with measurable metrics or milestones. The only (few) proposals who requested funds upfront, were doing it to pay for third-parties who needed fiat payments.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Why should your proposal be paid in one lump sum for "12 months of work", upfront? How will we measure how much "bang for the monero" we are getting? What stops you from running away with the money? Or twiddling your thumbs all day? And how do you reconcile that with your frequent complaints about other proposals getting paid for "little/no value provided"? Please answer each quea<clipped message>

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> tion, individually

"Why should your proposal be paid in one lump sum for "12 months of work", upfront? " this is a long answer, ill swing back around

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That give some nuance to my opinion for sure. This means some people trust you and think you're not liable. I'll admit it. But the CCS is still a troll-tier proposal at this point

"How will we measure how much "bang for the monero" we are getting? " its same price as _just_ site

"What stops you from running away with the money?" Lol. Run with 200xmr. Thats pretty pathetic. Not happening

There is info that will come out shortly that will show you why id be retarded to run with 200. I have my hands on bigger projecrs than that, lolz

200 is min wage.

"Or twiddling your thumbs all day? " at peak, i was available near 24hrs/day. And i dont twiddle thumbs, i usually help whoever i can

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That's not an answer

Its not very good ethics to speak on WIP if ive been asked not tk

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Hell, by your own logic, mj "ran away" with 60.3 xmr (paid by luigi) - and he at least delivered some (bad) code. And now you want to more than triple the amount, and claim you won't do the same because you say that's peanuts to you and "trust me bro"?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Because once again, we are talking about money upfront, not paid *after* the term/work is done

"And how do you reconcile that with your frequent complaints about other proposals getting paid for "little/no value provided"? " my coworkers, the ones often listed as people with better ccs, well, i think they support me

So, i dont know why ppl speak on behalf of them

They can speak for themselves

Also, my donors know what they are paying for, as they are the same people who have been watching me work for a long time

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But - once again - your proposal includes no actual metric for work done, and demands money upfront. We need something more than "trust me bro" to justify such a huge amount

You dont trust me bro?

Good things the people i work with do trust me, same with the donors, right?

all i can say is, if i was, for any reason, to have to abandon my position, i woukd donate the remainder of the funds to other ccs'

But, thats blasphemy

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Individual people trusting you or not are irrelevant. This is not a popularity contest. You are still dodging the question. Why should you be paid upfront, instead of being paid *after* the work is done? Even on a monthly basis

Im not going anywhere, and its minimum wage

"Why should you be paid upfront, instead of being paid *after* the work is done? Even on a monthly basis" 12 on one hand, a dozen in another.

Luigi is single holder of ccs wallrt

Supposrd to be multisig by march

I trust me woth my mlney, a lot more than i trust him

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "all i can say is, if i was, for any reason, to have to abandon my position, i woukd donate the remainder of the funds to other ccs'" - again, that's asking for blind trust from a person who, in this scenario, just abandoned their work halfway

and what is giving the funds to luigi to hold onto?

Insanity? I know at least 1 dev who's up for eviction bcuz luigi doesnt care to make payments on time

(insanity = doing same thing and expect diff result)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes, that's how the ccs works. You trust the managers who control the funds. That's part of the terms and conditions of working with the CCS, and all the people who do much more critical work for Monero do. So why should you get special treatment?

no, its not

The wallet situation is broke

broken*

Ccs response > luigi temp wallet til march > multisig

Tobtohr workin on musig ux > im coordinating with tecnovert on the same

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Would you trust me with my money for finishing Solopt? Hell, I have been around far longer. Should I demand to hold on to my payouts because I don't trust luigi either? He lost my money too, after all.

solopt fkd the mobey up already, tried to and succeeded in changing milestone and oay structute

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I could also justify this with the fact that I have helped hundereds of people learn about Monero and mining - here on matrix, on reddit, and in the supportxmr chat long before that.

So thats nkt a hypothetical. It literally happened, and nothing was delivered

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> No, the milestone structure was not changed - that was the entire point. Go back on topic: why should you get special treatment, when others don't and you have always been the first to argue against it?

i dont argue for the stat quo. Thats false.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And would you trust me to hold on to my payouts, because I don't trust luigi?

If you were opening a new ccs? Yep

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You have been strong defender for the status quo - until now

But thats only bcuz march is over

I have not be a stong defender of status quo

I pushed for retro fcmp

I rejected ccs becaus the rates were too low

I even told ruck to open this recent cxs

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Why not apply it to all other open proposals too? Their money is actually at risk, too - and it's not hypothetical money if their proposal gets accepted and funded (like yours), but actual money already in the wallet

i dont have the power to do such a thing, and inprogress ccs is plowsof's job.

And right. The money is as risk, behind schedule and needs to be fixed asap

Which is why im also in dm's with perfect daemon (author of musig)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> None of these are answers to the question: "why should you get special treatment, when others don't and you have fought against it in the past?" You fought against haveno getting paid upfront, and they had an actual need to pay a third party. And the retroactive fcmp proposal was about *work already done*, not future engagements

I have not fought against it

I fought against straight uo scams

Like pay me uofront for movie that features monero (but doesnt feature monero)

Or pay upfront for frontend (when there is no backend)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So either everybody gets to hold on to their funds upfront - in which case I demand my part for solopt as well - or nobody does - in which case you get paid *after* you do the work you have planned for this proposal, regardless of any prior work dome

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> *done

maybe if you wrotr your ccs as such.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (Which again - is not actually written into the proposal as it stands)

Plenty of devs, like jeffro, asked for payment upfront following ccs hack

I didnt stand against them. But your money was long lost. That 2700xmr return was far more than actual active ccs.

I voted at ccs restart to backpay devs from generalfund in bulk, and toprefund their new ccs'

But whale donors showed up and did it

And to pre-fund*

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But like we just said above, the risk is actively there, right now, for all open proposals. So it would not be fair to force active open proposals to take a risk, while new proposals get to avoid that part (and bypass a fundamental mechanism of the ccs). Either we change the way the ccs works, or your request for money upfront is unjustified

the risk is massive

Generalfund is also a single signer wallet

Active proposals are all stat quo

Eithrr they are behind schedule, and deserve nothin

Or they were recsntly opened with the knowledge that there was 1/4 (3 months) of time where luigi would be single signer

Those 3 mths ended in march

so, if you opened a ccs 5 yrs ago, no, you can't get paid out

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "Eithrr they are behind schedule, and deserve nothin" - but you are not the person in charge to decide that, are you? So make up your mind. The focus here is on *your* proposal. Either you request special treatment - which means all others can request it too, to keep things fair - or you get the same treatment as others

And if you opened one in january. Feb, march, you did so with the knowledge that there was a short where single signer wallet would custody your funds

Read slowly

That 3 month period ended in march

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "And if you opened one in january. Feb, march, you did so with the knowledge that there was a short where single signer wallet would custody your funds" and also the knowledge that you don't ask for money upfront before delivering your work

and if you have a cxs in ourgatory, you absolutely dont get to request funds without plowsof releasing you from purgatory

^ right. Its not march anymore. But that being said, id still have requested up front if this was in may of last yr. I have uses for the $ that arent "pay my rent" (such as, lay me collaborators). My requested schedule reflects that.

Pay my* collaborators

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> People with jobs get paid after they do their job

Not all of them

oh wait, you said job

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And they have rents to pay too - but they don't get paid one year upfront

As in, employed

as in, working a 9-5 and collecting a paycheck

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You have not brought any justification as to why you should *actually* be paid upfront. **If you don't trust the CCS system, then don't use the CCS system**

Now youre putting words in my mouth

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Use the bounties platform, or set up your own where people can donate to your bounties - like monerujo does to prioritize their features. Or keep asking for donations - like you have already done. You claim your donors know you and support you - so why can't they do so directly, instead of having to go through the CCS? Why not just tweet your address and ask for 200XMR to support your work?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You said you'd work "on-call, full-time", and asked for "minimum wage". That's a job

trust is but 1 aspect, and has nothibg tk do with ccs. I request up front because i eant the funds up front for logistical reasons.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Everybody has the same logistical reasons. You don't get special treatment. That's how the CCS works

"You said you'd work "on-call, full-time", and asked for "minimum wage". That's a job" < no, thats what i do on a day to day basis. "on call, fulk time" is because you need job-like words to understand my ccs

"Everybody has the same logistical reasons" < false

some devs dont need $ for 3 months, some make 75 xmr each month

Some devs have uncollected ccs from years gone by

My reasons have nothing to do with, examplev plowsofs

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If it promises work like a job, and it asks for money like a job, then it is a job. Arguments about semantics are worthless

Plowsof went a long time only collecting every 2 mlnths, instead of every month

I accept your downvote, endor

im requesting milestone 0. Why? Because i am. I have me own reasons, and i dont feel it beneficial to explain it to someone who isnt going to donate

As long as donors know, clearly, thats fine by me

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Your proposal, as it is written right now in here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444 doesn't deliver any work, asks for special treatment and money upfront for no valid reason, and has no mention of any of the things you claim you will do in our current discussion. Additionally, you claim you do not trust the CCS system. Therefore, this pr<clipped message>

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> oposal is not fit for the CCS system, a priori, regardless of up/downvotes or anyone's opinions

says you

i accept your rejection, endor 👍

When luigi or plowsof closes my ccs, then it will be confirmed "not fit for ccs"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So either rewrite the proposal to include all the work you intend to do that we have talked about over the last two hours, and change the payout to milestones based on work done (not upfront), or go elsewhere to ask for money

nah, ill leave the proposal as is. Ty for your concern

Ill take my chances

"either rewrite the proposal to include all the work you intend to do that we have talked about over the last two hours"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> plowsof luigi1111 ^

I may add this, but regardless, its here in chat and can be confirmed as part of the ccs

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (My messages just above give a quick tldr)

"and change the payout to milestones based on work done (not upfront)," < but this part, no

again, its not simple due to trust, but due to the nature of the work and that i'll need the funds to continue to expand my work beyond the ccs

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You claim to have previously raised money without the CCS for your work, and do not trust the CCS, yet request special treatment from the CCS

yeah, k raised 10200 partick and 8200 wownero in like 72hrs

Sitting in my wallet rn

And i didnt run away on them

Trustmebro

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Cool, so we can close this proposal then

No

Wownero paid for wownero

Particl paid for particl

They didnt pay for monero

Wownero delivery was concrete. Wownero integration

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "due to the nature of the work and that i'll need the funds to continue to expand my work beyond the ccs" - do you mean this work? nitter.poast.org/ofrnxmr/status/1774606554135703904#m

that wont load for me

Blocking tor?

Particl paid for non-specific work on particl and basicswap

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "3000 xmr and i can stop monero for a year" - asking money upfront to damage Monero? Parhaps you're the one who has been spamming the chain recently, even?

😂. Id open a ccs for 3000 xmr if i was going to do that

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Or maybe you have something even worse planned?

Nah. If i wanted to spam the chain, youd know it was me

Except im working with various devs to fix the issues and prevent the spam attacks from being successful

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Given that you're using twitter and this is your own tweet, you don't need to load another twitter frontend

twitter.com/Zorvyyy/status/1774045465496989721 < i responded to say that monero is subject to the same (implying we should not be so comfortable)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So to recap: you don't trust the CCS; but you want special treatment from the CCS; even though you don't actually need the CCS in the first place; and you don't mention any actual work in the proposal; and you want a big sum of money upfront; while on Twitter you say that "with 3000 xmr you can stop Monero for a year"; but you're totally not gonna do anything bad "because if it we<clipped message>

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> re you we'd know it"

"even though you don't actually need the CCS in the first place" < says who?

I wouldt open ccs if i didnt need it

"and you want a big sum of money upfront" 200xmr is big now? lol

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Maybe I should open a 200 xmr for the time I've had to waste dealing with your bullshit, both in the past and in the future. I'll be the "on-call, full-time, ofrnxmr bullshit handler" for a year. Paid upfront, of course

" you're totally not gonna do anything bad" < im not, doesnt mean someone else cant. Need to fix issues, not ignlre em

"Maybe I should open a 200 xmr for the time I've had to waste dealing with your bullshit, both in the past and in the future. I'll be the "on-call, full-time, ofrnxmr bullshit handler" for a year. Paid upfront, of course" go for it. Nobody will fund you, even if merged

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Big enough that you need it to be paid upfront "for logistical reasons". Otherwise you'd be ok with getting a payment after doing the worm

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> *work

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> See? I'm earning my pay already!

Yeah, this is definitely not an efficient, focused, or respectful way to discuss CCS proposals and receive recommendations for changes. I am not even sure why it's tolerated.

Endor - not everybody works a 9-5 and only works on monero in their leisure

Midi, pipe down. When you learn to use not-my-person-google-acct, you can open another monerokon ccs

It belittles the whole process and makes a mockery of the way this community should communicate. Yet for some bizarre reason, there are people out there that support it and think "ofrnxmr should get paid".

Because they work with me

Unlike you, who doesnt do any work, and just talks abt it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And I don't know what kind of trust fund baby you are, but for people who need to pay the bills 200 xmr (currently worth ~26000 usd) is a lot of money for the majority of the people in the world

mcondalds pay 20 an hr

To like 40m ppl. Sorry if that's more population than like 20 euro countries combined

"Starting April 1, 2024, all “fast food restaurant employees” who are covered by the new law must be paid at least $20.00 per hour."

Thats 41k/yr

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Meanwhile, people living below the poverty line are 38 million in the US alone (2022). So what the fuck are we talking about?

37999999 soon!

And on that note, you can stop watching my pockets. This aint bitcoin.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Oh, right: this proposal is nonsense, and your actual goal is to stir drama and waste people's time - with bonus points if you actually mange to make it pass and steal people's money too

Whether im poor, or whether im pulling 200xmr every 3 months, is none of your concern

Oh, right: this proposal is nonsense, and your actual goal is to stir drama and waste people's time - with bonus points if you actually mange to make it pass and steal people's money too" < remind me not to waste my time with trolls like you

What do i win when no money is stolen>

Basrless accusations, from a supposed comnunity leader 👋✌️

Ive had enough of talking to you.

If you have something new to ask, shoot. But if you just want to talk in circles and filibuster.. ✌️✌️✌️✌️

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You haven't even answered all the legitimate questions I raised so far. You've dodged plenty, but really answered only part of them

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Dismissing criticism is not the same as dealing with it. And without action, it's all just empty words

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> ofrnxmr is a scammer and his recent actions have only further proven what a joke this guy is. Asking 208 XMR upfront with no deliverables shouldn't be accepted. Period.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I'm not ofrnxmr but I wouldn't be surprised if all the recent trolls on matrix were him. ofrnxmr is not shy from scamming the community so I wouldn't rule out social engineering. He was inactive on all the matrix chats until the trolls stopped. Coincidence? I think not

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I'm using an alt to protect my identity. For full disclosure I'm in fact an active community member who is well known in the Monero space. However I prefer remaining anonymous for now as I don't want to deal with the constant threats from ofrn on my public social accounts

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So where going of here say, cause your “protecting” your identity

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Eat some cement and harden up

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Post comment on ccs

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> "help ofrnxmr take over the world" is not hearsay. ofrnxmr is requesting for 208 XMR without any promise of doing any work. All I'm asking for is a rejection of this proposal. ofrnxmr can create another if he wants to with proper goals. My true identity is not necessary in all this

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Post on ccs

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I already have

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> "trust is but 1 aspect, and has nothibg tk do with ccs. I request up front because i eant the funds up front for logistical reasons." -> We all know you're asking the money upfront so you can create that centralized exchange you're planning to release. You need some starting capital for that cex do you now?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You have proof?

Its a troll who has found a batting partner(s). "Monerogoingtozero" didnt get enoug engagement

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> ofrnxmr told me and he can verify my statement when he gets on

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Regardless of what ofrnxmr is going to use the money on, that's none of our business. It doesn't matter. What matters is that this proposal shouldn't get accepted. Period.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I find this hilarious. ofrnxmr keeps criticizing cake wallet for making simple API requests that apparently "destroy privacy" yet he is openly admitting that he will attack the XMR network for a year with 3k XMR. What is this nonsense? Reject the proposal immediately and we can be done with the drama

+200 xmr to the general fund twitter.com/WatchFund/status/1777879266782228633

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> plowsof, do you know if the FCMP CCS will be posted soon? Maybe someone is donating in preparation for that

The idea is the MRL meeting today is the official signing off from MRL on putting it to funding (with maybe a reduction in buffer % if funds can be released early or a % pre funded/early release by the general fund)

Will the MRL meeting agenda be posted today Rucknium?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is there high volume again? Node went out of sync twice today

321bob321: personally, i have made my thoughts clear here. I won't be engaging with the CCS for two reasons. 1) it shouldn't be legitimised in it's current state and 2) if i engage on the CCS, i inevitably have to deal with the proposer's comments/replies/nonsense. Here, i can provide my opinion and maintain relative quiet through the beauty of the 'ignore' feature.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> All i am going to say is, its like when people go

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Them:i hate trump how did he get in

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Me: did you vote

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Them : no

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Me: well

<r​ucknium:monero.social> plowsof: Yes: monero-project/meta #989

"I find this hilarious. ofrnxmr keeps criticizing cake wallet for making simple API requests that apparently "destroy privacy" < cake can speak for themself

Tux upvoted ccs, and tanner (creator of the api) also is showing his support

Not onky do you now speak for yourself (alt), youre trying tl speak for grown men who have already spoken for themselves. Gfy

Do you not* speak for yourself

You already voted? So pipe down with your double voting

"apparently "destroy privacy" " < wheres the lie? Cake is fixing it

"told me and he can verify my statement when he gets on" < told me.. who is me?

ofrnxmr: your proposal is badly written. I don't need to tell you how it is because you are well aware.

And what am verifying for this sockpuppet?

Niocat, i wrote it myself. Ofc its badly written

did you try to break as many CCS guidlines as you could? lol

also guidelines

Guidelines? The rules?

Or the unofficial status quo?

Did i break rules?

don't act ignorant

Im not

oh ok, imma gunna have breakfast

I havent read the rules in a while, but dont think i broke any

ofc Cat ate first

Stepped outside of the box and proposed something within the rules but not in line with typical ccs, sure.

Its not coral reef. Nor is it overpriced

Just worded in a way that lets ppl attack the person instead of the substance of the proposal, maybe? But not intentionally

rules evolved after coral reef and others, I wonder why

I didnt care to make compromises to my goals

i know what id like 2 do, and offered a very reasonable price (same as JUST site coordinator)

things like 3 month limit, well defined milestones and no payment upfront. And yes they are guidelines

3 month limit, but were 7 months in since ccs hack already

Thats 2+ ccs already

Why would i waste anyones time doing this every 3 months

plowsof: get these people working

1 shot, done

Got wrk to do. Not politicking with alts

Monero-docs repo is waiting and barren

I have coworkers who id like 2 be anle to pay for their help as well

because this is you first CCS and that's the guidlines. Seems good enough for s elsta and others

I never work alone

imma justsaying to not make this more difficult for you

2 hrs to take morning meds, I really need to eat now

First ccs, and likely only one that needs startup money

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Run off ofrn and go do your "work". I know you're feeling fear after you got exposed by me

nah

I actually just fell asleep for an hr or so

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Your minions who are manipulating the CCS proposal will not win and if this is approved Monero is a lost cause

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> As endor mentioned, if someone else posted the same CCS proposal you did, you would call it a scam and be in a riot

<c​trej:matrix.org> projecting.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oinist.org/ddZzsvmkLPjRlRELZpFRckph

0xffff has re-opened his proposal for feedback repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/438

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Sound like you and MrCyjanek have the same goal - a Flutter based community-focused wallet.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Have you considered working with them? They've got all the Dart/C libs sorted, but they seriously need help on the UI/UX front.

<c​trej:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/pCFzeEyjnpJOTXRuMhHexWRM

<c​trej:matrix.org> cool beans dude

<c​trej:matrix.org> bitcoin maxi seizing the opportunity to maximize drama

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> just defederate bitcoinist.org ?

Ravfx hasnt he used your homeserver?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I have no idea if it's the same one, could be.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I was kinda joking about the idea of deferating bitcoinist.org because well, if the only person using it is the same one...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> At least I am also using my home server 😂

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yes he did

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> There is "moneroiscash" bitcoinisgold dude

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/ozuxtvfNgpLJgpFSmyFrhLgQ

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> There is "moneroiscash / monerogoto0" bitcoinisgold dude

Disclaimer: ofrnxmr:xmr.mx is me, but i have no idea who anyone else is

so of ofrnxmr:agoradesk.com

So is*

Agoradesk is slow, or under attack constantly, idk. Monero.social <> matrix federation broken

So xmr.mx is my more reliable extra acct. (and no, i dont evade bans with it. Its for reliable dms )

another 100xmr, is this real life twitter.com/WatchFund/status/1778086862650782092 escapethe3ra

ofrnxmr: Would you be open to have quarterly payouts with corresponding reports? I think the community would be more receptive towards your proposal in this case

there is also a 200 XMR in p2pool.io/explorer/tx/ed9cd4f5f3a02…a62da53b0f71d7eb8559e0209b02b7339ec - was it a change output or a real donation?

Instead of the full payout in advance that is proposed now

sech1: For change to be exact seems a bit off

with decoded outputs ^

sech1 the bot ignores funds sent to the main address to avoid change outputs and binaryFate does sweep_all to GF2

This one was sent to the subaddress

if binaryFate can confirm its the truth and nothing but the truth^

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> +

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> somebody pinged me 🤔

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> But matrix search sucks so hard to find

<t​horii:matrix.org> Hey folks, just got an email from my exchange telling that XMR won't be tradable in Ireland or Belgium from this June, the privacy coin crackdown :|

<t​horii:matrix.org> Anyone know a way around this for people in those (and other affected) countries?

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> Swapping outside of that exchange would be your quickest way. Check localmonero for trade options in your country

<s​implifiedprivacy:hackliberty.org> peer to peer exchanges like agoradesk.com , or swap sites

<t​horii:matrix.org> Awesome, thanks!

<t​horii:matrix.org> Thanks!

@tuxsudo:tux.pizza libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c360932

thorii got a screenshot, name of the exchange?

thorii which exchange?

nioCat: quit copying me!

<c​trej:matrix.org> also here tuxsudo:

thorii: Which exchange is that?

Oh, didn't read down lol

<t​horii:matrix.org> Kraken. Binance may have already pulled XMR, would have it check, but the crackdown will affect all exchanges serving EU countries surely. This caught me off guard, have some reading to do 🙂

<t​horii:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/sbOqkxtSLdPzAGYYBXDiUeqx

midipoet ^

didnt they make a popular tweet. something along the lines of privacy isnt a crime 😅

<s​implifiedprivacy:hackliberty.org> Binance already pulled it. and if you accidently send to those addresses, they steal it. (I was told. I would never personally do something so stupid of course)

thorii: To be clear, it is only for Ireland and Belgium, correct?

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> Dang Kraken now too huh

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Which region?

<t​horii:matrix.org> It would seem so, here's the article they linked to in the email:

<t​horii:matrix.org> support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/article…ium-for-monero-xmr?lid=043esekdb12o

<t​horii:matrix.org> Ireland and Belgium:

<t​horii:matrix.org> support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/article…ium-for-monero-xmr?lid=043esekdb12o

Thanks for sharing, thorii. localmonero.co and soon Haveno will be good alternatives to look into moving forward.

plowsof: nitter.poast.org/krakenfx/status/1754891973062697235

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I dindu nuffins! nitter.poast.org/rottenwheel1/status/1778108508979810468

thanks dukenukem 👍

and here I thought nitter was dead...

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> somehow poast keeps theirs working. I gave up after the method I and many people used to generate guest accounts was "patched".

they generate tokens using real accounts

<plowsof> sech1 the bot ignores funds sent to the main address to avoid change outputs and binaryFate does sweep_all to GF2 <--- usually I don't do sweep_all, so as to leave a bit for day-to-day in GF wallet.

But these 100 & 200 xmr donations are real indeed

thanks for clarifying/the correction binaryFate

<3​21bob321:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1c0tgx…d/haveno_10_has_been_released_today

^ Woodser, is there an announcement posted somewhere? And congratulations of course!

<w​oodser:monero.social> thanks, but we only tagged 1.0.0 in preparation for mainnet testing, which will follow shortly but still isn't available

Generalized Bulletproofs Security Proofs has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/cypherstack-gbp-security-proofs.html

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/cypherstack-gbp-security-proofs.html

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The latest proposal from Cypher Stack is open and ready for funding.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dang this CCS is so well-designed, beautiful, and easy to use.

-_-

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Luigi you should pay good money to whoever made it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Speaking of...I think the site needs a face lift.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip voting

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Merge ofrn too?

Yeah, merge ofrn and watch it get funded

And dont forget ruck

damn. Big list. Merge unnamed wallet, ruck, 0xfffc, and dangerousfreedom

flood of donations aka someone wants to fund shit. Let em

Instead of letting the $ go into a black hole (gf)

Im sure all of these proposals proposals would make better use of these donations than gf

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rainy day fund that never gets used

it's raining here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not when the jet took off