<3​21bob321:monero.social> “Id also request that all funds to be held by ccs coordinator (not luigi or core).”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesnt trust core

<3​21bob321:monero.social> “Disconnect SMSG from Particl blockchain”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This? Its under scope

<h​avenomain:matrix.org> monero.town/post/3260716

<h​avenomain:matrix.org> updates in t.me/haveno

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is havenofund.org like monerofund.org ??

<3​21bob321:monero.social> As soon as any trade complete on Haveno and fees go to main address, system will send split profits to MainFund, HavenoFund and LegacyFees

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Wasn't this "HavenoMain" thing already identified as a scam? old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1d…bhuman_scum_are_currently_trying_to

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Maybe you should reach out to the BasicSwap team before spewing retarded bullshit. You're slandering without knowledge.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I am usually careful with such accusations, but why on earth should a project collect all those domains?

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Maybe you should have reached out to the BasicSwap team before slandering us. We've always been available.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> If you can't figure out the code it doesn't mean that BasicSwap isn't decentralized or open-source. We're always open to answering questions but you've never reached out to get answers to your "concerns". It seems you're acting in bad faith.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> All you have to do is run a BasicSwap node and you can monitor your SMSG messages sending and receiving messages.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> You did not even bother to do that. Please quit your slander and ask us questions if you are genuinely interested in knowing.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/TxEoBdAoQvxsSZmxCytsuaPb

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> > <@silverpill:poa.st> Wow, interesting discussion.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> > I don't think SMSG is "decentralized to the fullest extent possible", but even if that is true, there's still Particl coin. Even CCS author says it is bad.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> > ofrn should fork the BasicSwap, remove SMSG and replace it with something else

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> All you have to do is run a BasicSwap node and you can monitor your SMSG messages sending and receiving messages.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> You did not even bother to do that. Please quit your slander and ask us questions if you are genuinely interested in knowing.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> The entirery of the code is open-source. Please point exactly how it is a "centralized exchange which is being presented to us as a DEX".

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> The entirety of the code is open-source. Please point exactly how it is a "centralized exchange which is being presented to us as a DEX".

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> community meeting today in about 7 hrs 43 mins monero-project/meta #1008

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > in about 7 hrs 43 mins

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oddly specific

<r​brunner7:monero.social> plowsof: Maybe CryptoGuard is not yet aware about the federation problems with matrix.org, maybe some note to them would be in order. I am a bit confused as well about their screenshot that looks like it's output from monerologs.net: Do they wonder what happens there when they correct something on Matrix? The Monero project and the BasicSwapDEX project are just now getting to know<clipped message>

<r​brunner7:monero.social> each other, we are so to say on our first "date", and it would be unfortunate to produce misunderstandings already now :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> thats when the nuke take off

tap tap tap. Is thing thing on?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> ofrnxmr: Think so, yes. I see you here on Matrix.

Just here to say: lol @ the quality of fud. Shameless, really. Y'know what they say about opinions. I'm not sure I've heard any valid criticisms. Bas faith actors sending DM's to the basicswap team, clearly in attempt to waste their time while never once trying to contact me - the proposer

Majestic's claims are completely ridiculous. I'm embarrassed that BSX team is being dragged in to these absolutely pathetic attempts to discredit. Chatgpt could have answered these concerns. Lazy at best, malicious at worst, in any case, its dishonest. "I looked" lol, no, no you didnt, and you definitely didnt ask.

when did monero devolve into a project that just spreads lies?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> wb

<a​js_:matrix.org> plowsof: there should be an item to resolve all the pending issues and PRs in Monero Meta repo. There are somethings in there open for years.

@silverpill - is network.py used anywhere? Yes

Monero meta repo stopped being worked on when erc banned me from working on the issue i was working on. Lol? Cmon plowsof

Ajs and midipoet. Why do you keep telling plowsof to do my job 💀.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> We as a the Monero project "just spread lies"? Are we a bit tense on this slow Saturday morning? Maybe relax a bit and enjoy the fact that Monero and BasicSwapDEX get closer now, with corresponding good chances. I probably will never understand this desire to answer every single line of FUD with the equivalent of an atomic bomb going off. Such a waste of effort. Keep the nukes for<clipped message>

<r​brunner7:monero.social> important cases, please.

@rbrunner - no, monero community, not project

<r​brunner7:monero.social> You did write project, didn't you? "when did monero devolve into a project that just spreads lies?"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> defamation law suit inbound

Youre right, i did. I misspoke. I'm of course only referring to the people who have been acting in self interest for years, and who have been caught red handed doing so

And there are a lot of such people. I am absolutely not referring to people who act with integrity

Wasnt meant as a jab in general. Was a failed attempt to not name names... usually i call people out directly, but these people know exactly who they are. I'm not referring to you, but to people who would rather make accusations and go out of their way to get basicswap demoted on kycnot.me, without ever asking a question or reading the code

Or to claim to have done a deep dive on the source code, only come back and claim that its a cex and not open source

Youd think "these claims are so ridiculous, they are just noise", but nope. for some reason, these absolutely outlandish lies are taken at face value.

And yes, its incredibly embarrassing. Not the noise - no. The noise is to be expected. What is embarrassing that real devs are expected to stop focusing on work so they burn themselves out by responding to such ridiculous claims, not to mention being impersonated, and having their DMs spammed

"will never understand this desire to answer every single line of FUD" << thank for you correctly categorizing it for what it is: FUD. (i responded to this earlier, seems to have disappeared). Why respond? Because the ccs coordinator posted this 10 day old fud on the CCS 12hrs before the meeting, on a friday night, and requested a response. Of

course, this fud could have been clarified in private, but it was posted on the CCS as if they were valid concerns.

MajesticBank if youre try to install basicswap or understand how it works - no, it does not creatre binaries. It runs in a python virtual environment (venv), and runs from the source code

There are no releases, tags or packages available (yet). My install scripts essentially just set the environment variables and startup flags before running basicswap-prepare.py to setup, and then do the same with basicswap-run.py to run it.

This would be FUD from monero contributors in the community channel, it had push back ofcourse for not actually proving anything and at one point silverpill stated he wouldnt waste his time by contacting basicswapdex, instead, going directly to kycnot me to discuss the 10/10 rating which pluja modified, they can speak on this matter publicly if

they wish to.

.bbl

"he wouldnt waste time contacting basicswapdex. Instead went straight to kycnot.me" << sounds like it was done in food faith /s

Is this the coordinator smearing fud before a meeting? Or raising something after we finally have a 'this proposal is real' from basicswapdex because those people will continue bringing it up .. or wait until the meeting themselves

.bbl

The proposal has been real since day 1.

ttyl

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr, I would like to ask a question that have not been asked yet afaik. Since the start of your CCS proposals, there has been a wave of incoming *ofrn's fan* that wished to express their support to you. Not only publicly and sometimes agressively/spreading FUD, but in DMs also (I've received 2), claiming weird "revolutionary" intent.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Do you know about these accounts and do you support their intents (more particularly on the FUD part) ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I hope your answer will help me revise my opinion about you in a positive manner, I'm already happy to see that the BSX team has been willing to work with you.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Idk how ping work on IRC so if anyone can ping ofrn that would be appreciated

<a​js_:matrix.org> o​frnxmr: it is my understanding Monero meta is for general matters not assigned to any particular individual to manage

<a​js_:matrix.org> IMO, Monero community meetings would be an appropriate forum to discuss, merge, close issues/PR

<a​js_:matrix.org> There are issues open since 2018

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Midi was going to run a seperate meeting for meta issuez

<3​21bob321:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1d029r…bhuman_scum_are_currently_trying_to

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rb this?

The fans and the banofrns are mostly all bad actors / the same person

Monerobull can confirm the same

@synthethic

ajs - most of the issues can be dealt with without meetings by simple doing a followup / checking the status

Selsta, plowsof and myself cleaned up much of meta up until i was banned. I took it upon myself to do the work, because nobody needs to waste time at meetings to check is a T was crossed or if an plan was dead. Some meta issues are more like discussions than they are resolved, some are ideas that have long been implemented or are no longer valid

s/resolved/resolvable

if there are issues that can be closed send them to me

@synthetic - some of those "ofrnfans" (the ones with real handles and real social accounts) arent fans. They are people who ive helped or worked with for months or years. Some of them arent active speakers, but long time lurkers - folks who have reached out in -support or another room for help at some point or another. But yes. Some of them are

clearly the _same_ person(s) that are behind the banofrn and Bitcoinist accounts. and yes, the fake supporters dm me too.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I did everything! I am the savior of Monero! Now give me 2k XMR for install scripts. Kthxbai.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Don't disapprove of me or I'll curse you!

hey buddy - ive been working with them for months. Dishonestly will get you nowhere. I really have nothing to say to someone like you.

@synthetic x.com/monerobull/status/1786338397604258233

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What dishonesty? Everyone's fed up with you being a total turd everywhere, to everyone.

Speak for yourself

#offtopic

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hilarious.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The funniest times are when he tries to keep channels "on topic".

(btw, why don't you tell the world who wrote the speech that got you unbanned) calling _me_ a turd? what were you banned for again? not responding to you anymore. Best of luck with your turncoat nonsense. kthxbye.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Where is the "I really have nothing to say to someone like you."? Why you keep talking to me bby?

I havent been active here for months. Its funny how you try to drag me into your mudwrestling then beg me in dm's to be nice to you. I've grown tired of babysitting you. ✌️

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> And he keeps doing it!

Do us all a favor, and slide into my dm's or stfu

write a diary or smthn

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do as you say and stfu, don't interact with someone like me!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ladies people wait for monerokon boxing fight

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Bedtime. ^ doesnt make sense

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> i.imgur.com/hHW81be.gif

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> It should be removed completely, there is no reason to use a custom protocol. It's a waste of time and money.

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Or better: direct resources to noot's ETH-XMR swaps and Unstoppable Swap. These tools were built by competent people, but neglected by the community. Why not support them?

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Serai uses its own blockchain for the same legitimate reason

What?

Silver - smsg is the orderbook and allows bidirectional atomic swaps

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Distributed, trustless, order execution consensus

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Bad? Perhaps

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Without reason? Nah

silver - "Integrations of atomic protocals such as those from BCH and ETH", its literally listed as a part of the milestone

None of these protocols on their own CAN support bidirectional atomic swaps because monero doesnt support it. You need a decentralized orderbook aka smsg or similar

Smsg is inspired by bitmessage - what monero uses for multisig

smsg could have come to monero to fix the multisig ux. Smsg is _loosely_ tied to particl. This seems to be your main issue? That tou dont like the particl project.. but youre not showing that you know anything about smsg (or bitmessage)

unstoppableswaps is LITERALLY just a poor frontend for comit network swaps. Basicswap takes what unstoppable did, adds a decentralized orderbook, and extends use from xmr <> btc to also include ltc (doge (soon), particl, dash and more] + bidirectional swaps

Eth swaps are limited to xmr <> eth. Unstoppable is xmr <> btc. Basicswapdex combines multiple swap protocols AND makes them bidirectional. Maybe you should try it for yourself. Many others have, such as seth and untraceable

"no reason" << except for bidirectional swaps, adaptorsig (scriptless scripts) swaps, enabling coins not named bitcoin, a decentralized orderbook, etc etc. even xmr <> doge works because the swap protocol doesnt have to be <insert coin here> agnostic.

There's even a bounty for someone to do xmr <> ltc --- basicswap has had that completed for (over?) a year

"Bridge orderbooks from other services such as Samourai" (unstoppable, etc) << theres also this. Basicswap allows "private" orderbooks and theres a potential that we can enable interacting with samourai and unstoppableswaps (extremely thin, unidirectional, almost obsolete) offers

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> samourai is also just a frontend for comit

Yep. Which makes adding it not impossible. Basicswap support comit style swaps as well as adaptorsigs

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> theres no point in samoruai swaps now that their centralized coinjoin is down

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Meeting time monero-project/meta #1008

echo Meeting time monero-project/meta #1008 , greetings

hi

<c​t:xmr.mx> hello 👋

<m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Hello! (I am Janaka)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix dot org clients, a reminder that messages will be delayed and you should follow on monerologs.net cc CryptoGuard

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> O shit waddup.

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> Yo

whats happened since the last meeting? we can jump into the ccs merge list ideas / meta issues asap but there was a blog post for monerokon @ getmonero.org/blog ... some fund raisers to attend it even

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #haveno is picking up some steam viathe #haveno-reto team (which are communicating on simpleX iirc) ...

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we've just this moment had a ccs idea to resurrect the monero signer with some pretty fast promises of completion from vthor, can talk about that later

Thank you plowsof :)

News: [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) - [The Monero Standard](localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](themoneromoon.com)

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Hello.

i guess the monero standard will cease to exist soon recanmann , or will you continue on another platform?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Should probably take The Monero Standard off the list moving forward. LM is winding down.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Great minds think alike.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> God forbid I ever think like a Briton though...

good idea.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂😂

i also shared an estimate of ccs earnings for alot of contributors @ text.is/X9910

<k​arano:poddery.com> hello , is the meeting on !

so far the tesla proposal is the highest earner vroom vroom

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I see Tuman in the list, did he get paid in the end?

yes, that usd value is the price 'on payout day'

we can jump into the ccs merges unless theres some big news im overlooking

kayaba going full steam ahead with his FCMP++ work.. sneedlewoods recently became a seraphis dev with a merged PR...

ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required v1do was merged to funding ... rottenwheel put up a fundraiser for monerokon travel also kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/7fw9

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> good stuff man

how can i forget nihilists blog

blog.nihilism.network -> worth a look.. some haveno tutorials included

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> let me know if you want any tech showcased on my blog btw, haveno dex was the latest addition lately

ive seen a few users recommending / commending you work, thank you

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> np :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> hi sorry I'm late

hello

any updates you wish to share diego? it appears we're closing the seraphis general paper review for now

and skipping over Droplet

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Wasn't Droplet voted to close?

yes

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> sad. Since I'm pretty sure it can be done concurrently with current work.

repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/441#note_24681

a. [Seraphis General Paper Review](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441)

ok noted, can pass it back to the MRL again if thats the case

kayabanerve sees it as not required for fcmp++

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct, but since fcmp++ can move into seraphis down the road, this work is still valuable

so not closing then :) pushing it back to MRL

the next proposal is related to your previous works, getmonero redesign. but this porposal is also a new back-end

c. [New Monero Website](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450)

has alot of updoots. personally im not for the proposal as-is and left a comment today repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/450#note_24686

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I agreed to focus on the first milestone, should I update the proposal?

here is the functional proof of concept github.com/Janaka-Steph/monero-website

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> I think the website design looks great, haven't dug into the proposal itself.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> But I agree that the website needs an update.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Sir. chch3003

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> I think most up votes come from those who really want to see a redesign. Regardless of technicalities

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I'd like to make a call that i'm still looking for a web designer

after talking to the back end admin about it, and the current state of affairs, id say yeah, update the proposal

<c​hch3003:monero.social> rottenwheel: yes?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Oh hey I'm a web designer.

i agree monero-guides

<c​hch3003:monero.social> plowsof: ok

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That said, does core want this website remade? It's under their purview.

we have found a web designer

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> chch3003 you can ping gnuteardrops from monero.graphics, vostoemisio, there's a third one I can link you to if needed.

core feels we're not ready for a new back end / huge change , thats why i suggest removing any promises of "transition" in the proposal, and stick to milestone 1,,, a highly functional english site with furhter work on the table

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok I can contact them, also Diego Salazar we can talk

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sounds good.

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> An interesting point you make about core. My gripe with the site as it is; no where can I easily be found that it is the website hosted by core. Many could read that website like monero does indeed have a CEO

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> An interesting point you make about core. My gripe with the site as it is; no where can it easily be found that it is the website hosted by core. Many could read that website like monero does indeed have a CEO

monero dot com is officially the unofficial website

i think we can leave this proposal here, with new updates expected shortly

noted monero-guides, thank you

d. [How to mine Monero guide](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/451)

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Maybe it is better to have an unofficial website, with less constraints, hosted in a regular hosting provider. I feel this has not been discussed enough

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> Hi all,

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> After last meeting we've considered a change to the number of videos and content and want to get your opinions.

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> Video 1:intro to mining

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> Video 2: mining economics

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> Video 3: setting up your rig

would be even better to have contributors for existing site chch3003 :D

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> The main change is splitting up the first video into two separate parts and then taking some of what was planned for video 2 and adding it to mining economics video.

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> This change should make things more succinct for the viewers and would result in 3 shorter videos

that would be in response to Ruckniums feedback reg length

seems a sane change in response to this yes

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> For the most part yes. We replied in more detail on the proposal, would be glad for some more feedback and recommendations

for visibility, i assume this comment in particular repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/451#note_24575

<r​ucknium:monero.social> moneroguides's response to feedback is satisfactory to me :)

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> Correct

seems like this change to the proposal will be welcomed

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> In which case, we'll. Move onto editing the scripts to reflect this and amend the proposal

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> FCMP++ can move into the Seraphis *codebase*, there's little chance of moving to the protocol at this current flow.

thanks, we can try to get people excited about these videos and show more support there after, its been a while since monero guides last series

skipping the i2p/sam proposal, which is written as a bounty as-is.. unless a dev wants to come forward and justify their rates to complete it themselves

g. [hinto-janai full-time work on Cuprate (3 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/456)

some said auto merge last meeting

<m​onero-guides:matrix.org> Sounds good

<c​t:xmr.mx> are there reasons why not to merge it?

<c​t:xmr.mx> or why to delay it?

more documentation was added to the proposal (per this comment) repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/456#note_24642

seems final now

(2~ weeks old on the merge list, shock horror its not merged)

<c​t:xmr.mx> not shocked plowsof, just curious :)

would be easier if boog900 could submit at the same time

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> FYI those replying on matrix

looks like it has support for merge after the 2nd meeting, we can move on

h. [ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457)

CryptoGuard / basicswap confirmed their involvement with this proposal in a comment from yesterday repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/457#note_24657

<0​xfffc:monero.social> +1

<0​xfffc:monero.social> ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2

would luigis previous comment apply to the current proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/444#note_24383

this proposal has milestones / objectives now

<c​t:xmr.mx> Yes, milestones with todo lists for each

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Looks much better with the milestones

and the issue with upfront payment and length of time?

"Specifically, the length of time and (especially) upfront payment/lack of milestones are contrary to what the CCS has strived to be (with plenty of "results may vary" and exceptions, granted)."

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> reminder for matrix dot org accounts to follow the meeting on monerologs.net (you can reply here, but read responses on the logs site)

<0​xfffc:monero.social> But this one does have specific / objective milestones

Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a new frontend or improved backend. (Look at

look at how long it took to do haveno backend (much longer than the 4-6 month projection)

niether was monero or cuprate yet proposals are 3 months at a time

this is > $300k we are talking about

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Just saying that even devs in very important roles for the Monero project and with many PRs under their belt don't usually get pre-payment. These two devs are new **to us**, and ofrnxmr is also new **to us** in the role of a project manager.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Maybe do something like an "exponential approach"? First sprint is a month only, to see the project gets off the ground, with post-payment. If that goes well, second sprint is again a month, but this time with pre-payment. If that also goes well, make the next sprint 3 months. See what I mean?

the project is live already, rbrunner

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Not for us, and not for the CCS.

It is live. You can use it today

<r​brunner7:monero.social> This CCS hasn't even started.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> It's not about that BasicSwapDEX, it's about this CCS, right?

im not understanding the line youre drawing here.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> That's why I bolded **to us**.

Monero community members run the software and are making swaps on mainnet already

<r​brunner7:monero.social> These two Particls devs are complete strangers to me. I feel it's prudent to treat them as newly joining people, only that.

Theyve been around for 10+years

<c​t:xmr.mx> Ignoring the payment schedule, are there other concerns?

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> 100%

the particle token thingy people bring up?

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Luigi mentioned laying ground rules for upfront payments, new contributors were a hard "no"

particl is a blockchain and theyve been presenting at monerokon for the past 2 yrs

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes. I ask myself whether those devs can work those hours. Question of work-life balance, or balance with "official" jobs that they may have. Do you know more regarding this, ofrnxmr?

true

yes, they can and will work full time on this

<c​t:xmr.mx> The way I understood it is that ofrn will be paying out incrementally as work completes?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Good to hear

Correct @ct

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm generally not a fan of prepayment either. But since the community required me to take aprepayment to save on buffer cost I'm no longer qualified to speak on it. :P

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> That should be handled by the CSS. That's why it exists

Multiparty ccs are always an issue. I am thr proposer

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> That should be handled by the CCS. That's why it exists

forced upfront payment against the proposals will

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> payment rape

And i am taking responsibility

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Its not your responsibility to take. It belongs to the CCS

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Once the payment is made there is 0 oversight

Its not plowsof's job to check in with 3-5 devs and pay them out 1 by 1. @j0j0 youre wronf

<c​t:xmr.mx> ccs has losts funds before and ccs has not paid out in time before. If the BSX devs have been working with ofrn before, and trust him more, I wouldn't balme them for that

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Yes, it is

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> What if up front was cut in half? Less risk.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> He's responsible for coordinating CCS

yeah, hes not responsible fkr whether diego pays sarang, or whether haveno oays frontend, or whether anonero pays devs

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I would not vote for a hard "no" on prepayment - but only after the project has taken flight

<m​ichael:monero.social> The meeting is overtime, so I will say dankon and have a good further chat. I need to go.

just for visibility, luigi can look at merges monday(tm) , and huge thanks to everyone leaving feedback / food for thought so far

Thr project _has_ taken flight, and then was grounded because were poor

thanks michael

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Again, not for us. I will continue to repeat that.

You can look at the commits from February to see some of the enhanced schedule we were working on

all ccs proposers must wear a mood ring, and send me an image of it daily

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Lol

It was for us. I didnt work with bsx for fun.

:D what the hell is a mood ring?

a joke (they change colour on temp but people attribute it to emotions and such)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Possible to do one month worth of work and then payment enough for three months or something like that?

Can it emit focused energy?

now , i suspect ofrnxmr's discussion will continue, but i wwant to share vthors proposal of taking over monero SeedSigner

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This way there's no prepayment, there's proof of work in a way the CCS can verify, and then some "up front" for future months. Splits the difference.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Diego Salazar: I meant exactly something like that with an "exponential approach"

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> plowsof: There clearly needs to be a framework for prepayments. Its started to get messy.

<c​t:xmr.mx> it's not uncommon that people show up with what they've done so far, and ask the CCS for funding to persue further work in depth

+1 ct

k. [Monero Signer Resurrection: Reviving and Enhancing the Monero Signing Project](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/465) if anyone has time here to check it out and begin leaving feedback when convenient :)

<c​t:xmr.mx> the ofrn wallet will have a public view key, right?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Be flexible. Compromise. All parties.

Thank you for bringing it up plowsof! :)

could also be done via RINO

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> MoneroSigner dev quit?

<c​t:xmr.mx> plowsof what the status on the current seed signer? did you get any updates from the proposer?

no, not quit, this is an external proposal, aimed at 'taking over' the 'slow' dev currently working on it

no updates from the proposer

is he still working on it? I went through all the repositories and after funding, there was no more changes.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Prev dev mentioned adding Polyseed support & using UR to be compatible with Feather & Anonero, I don't see that mentioned anywhere here.

vthor seems confident they can complete it , do we have any evidence to lean on?

or are you in the process of building this

<c​t:xmr.mx> vthor: Can you add the funding amount and payout per milestone to the description? Right now it's kinda invisible on gitlab

j0j0 didn't see that, was that in the comments. I'm not aware what Polysed is and what UR, but I will look into it.

j0j0xmr those 2 things where not a part of the original proposal, i assume that would be extra time / milestones? but for me those would be essential really

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> twitter.com/MoneroSigner/status/1728645692917203347?s=19

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> there

ct: yes I can. But short info here 1st milestone 5.38 xmr, second: 5 xmr, third: 35xmr and last 10xmr

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> UR is the QR standard used in Feather and Anonero, and it would replace the custom QR that was originally planned.

<c​t:xmr.mx> thank you :)

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Thanks, here it is

i have skipped k. [Create and manage a peer-to-peer trading room on Matrix for people wanting to buy and sell Monero with no KYC](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/462)

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Polyseed is Monero's new seed scheme, and UR is the animated QR encoding already used in a couple of projects.

and the other vague proposal to redesign the ccs .. governance something

i assume create / manage peer to peer will be closed after the initial feedback

<c​t:xmr.mx> they are gonna take your job plowsof :O

skipped for job security*

<c​t:xmr.mx> :D

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> btw, this fits into the haveno DEX onramp, as peers need monero to start trading there

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> btw, this fits into the haveno DEX onramp, as peers need monero to start trading there (for the security deposit system)

P2p trading mod for 800xmr is an easy close

Plowsof should get 800xmr for moderating c

now, we're over as usual sadly, once again thanks for everyones sharing feedback, vital. ajs_ some of the meta issues depend on the same people who we've asked / waiting on to fix weblate... to give us a ccs onion url.... so delays are to be expected, i can try to clear some others though

So, plowsof, I have no need to create something new if there is somethng already in use, what I read out of your comments, so I would switch of course to the already used format from Feather and Anonero

80.8135 would be enough

<c​t:xmr.mx> The proposer explained in this room that his right rates are because of the increased risk - which makes me wonder: could it have legal consequences if the CCS funds work that is legally risky? Because in the current landscape I wouldn't be surprised it it makes us "complicit" in some way

80.08135

ccs onion is a no fly zone for now. Maybe for ccs.getmonero, but repo.getmonero doesnt work as easily (relative links on gitlav)

Need to kill cloudflare on repo tho, so people can ssh in over tor..

"plowsof gets 45 eur... some devs get 65$ .. theres some risk.. fuck it.. ill ask for 65 too" was awesome reasoning

40 eur*

plowsof rrslly gets 22.5

text.is/X9910/raw

Cuz he only collects every 6 months lol

plowsof 20kusd 2023, ballin

vtnerd needs to start moderating matrix

$$$

<c​t:xmr.mx> plowsof gets 69xmr independent of worked hours and exchange rate

I hope pkowsof collects his milestones properly now

<c​t:xmr.mx> +1

will collect every 12 months after adding meta issues

ct: could you give me a hint, where I should put the milestone payout values? In the description of the MR? Or simply inside the .md?

alright thank you for the kinds words, if not already we can end it here ~ continue please , thanks for attending

keepofrnbanned from meta, sorry

Vthor - take a look at other proposals

<c​t:xmr.mx> eg: - Milestone 1 (5.38xmr): 7 days from now, June 1, 2024

ct: thank you

the ccs instructions tell you how to format the top section of the md

<c​t:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr that part is correct, but gitlab only shows the description below the header

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i dropped a comment in the proposal about UR

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ping me if you have any questions

r4v3r23 thank you very much, for the comment and the offer! :)

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> np. the more wallets that are cross compatible for offline signing the better

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> you got it

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Nice to see MoneroSigner actually taking off. The more cross-compatibility for offline signing the better.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> I'd help but I suck at Python 😅

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> maybe soon people will have a reason to actually shill it 😂😂😂

hehe, Python is the easy part, the C++/Qt toolchain part makes me sweat

I'm not very good in social things (and often miss some glues), so if you can, please help me out on that stuff :D I feel at the moment a bit lost, but I would for now simply look up UR and PolySeed, update the proposal and continue to work on it and hope that the CCS will work out on the way.

Or, I'm off and missed an important point?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ping me or tobtoht in Feather Wallet chat, im happy to help and tob knows way more than me

I'm confused a bit, is PolySeed used in monero-python and in Monero-GUI?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> github.com/tevador/polyseed

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its not used in GUI, not sure about monero py

Feather wallet chat is not on irc, or?

monero py uses the same as Monero-GUI, but well there is no question, I can support both, no issue on that.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It is, but on OFTC, not libera. #feather

8) better two irc servers then touching matrix :D (sorry, not meant to offend anybody with that)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Touché. Fuck matrix.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> we all know matrix is shit

:D I was full stressed out when I read I need matrix to participate on this meeting, and so happy when p_l_o_w_s_of

told me that I don't need to

only spreaded to no unnecessary bother him

r4v3r23, why this things speaded so much, milke matrix, discord etc? What I missed?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> no clue

<c​t:xmr.mx> vthor: I briefly taked to hackerindustrial (original seedsigner dev) and he explained that the signer needs some monero binaries compiled for arm for some functions. Will it be the same with your version? (no impact on the proposal, just curious)

My way to do things is differnt, I decide to do things and then I do what ever is necessary to archive it. I can not state it at the moment. The only thing I can imagine what would need to be compiled or written new is the part to sign the transaction, but that doesn't worry me. Not the first time I transpiled code.

But I'm curious, can I contact hackerindustrial somehow? It seemed to me he vanished.

<c​t:xmr.mx> I contacted him through matrix, my last communication with him was november 2023

ah, I understand. Thank you

But the easiest way to see is probably using monero-cli and see if I can sign it on the pi zero, if that works there is 0 issue at all, if necessary I rewrite, salvage code and a small lib, will figure that out later, have now a lot of input to digest, still very sleepy and sid in cafe with river sounds on my ear to blend my surrounding out. Will go home and then check it out. Thnak you for all the input and help! :) Have a great time!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fck em. Decentralized, but we are infact centralized…

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plz sir can i have more?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There is one stipulation on ofrn’s ccs is that 1/2 multi sig with plowsof being one. Is that going to ok?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> MajesticBank @majesticbanknew:matrix.org do you still owe salary of your team members ?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> You should refund them before launching a fork of haveno (because you're the only one using ddosguard + .at TLDs) and calling other arbitrator as scammers

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> they are forking monero?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> they are forking haveno?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> they are forking haveno?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He still not did it but calling people as scammers while he owes salary of his own team (LOL)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> probably spent it all on donating to vaporware

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> while at the same time refusing to support projects that innovate

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Yeah the only thing he is useful is to steal money of people with fake slippeage, scamming it's own team to donate to vaporwave

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Such a great actor for monero reputation

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> a friend also coded a cli swap thing for them and i dont think they ever paid him

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He also owes money not notmtth (the developer behind mb-cli)

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I had to read his track record under anger and now I'm more lol

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> yes him. do you have his contact?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He also owes money to notmtth (the developer behind mb-cli)

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I had it yes

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I can manage to find him and snitchy to claim around 4k of salary owed

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> also didnt want to support anonero cause its not cross plat but also funded sidekick which is android only

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Anyway, MajesticBank @majesticbanknew:matrix.org , if you're there make sure to look how your hole is full of shit before trashing fair work please :D

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Anyway.

<n​ononynous:monero.social> MajesticBank @majesticbanknew:matrix.org , if you're here make sure to look how your hole is full of shit before trashing fair work please :D

editing comments causes spam irc side

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Sorry. I had to correctly write the piece of shit he is 🙏

is this related to a reddit thread i seen today, with a bunch of haveno urls being registered

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Yes. If he was launching his shitshow without calling other people as scammers (when he is the scammer lol) he would keep playing with his shit

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> not to mention their blatant ripoff of cake wallet and then selling it as most private wallet

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> <a data-mention-type="user" href="matrix.to/#/@nononynous:monero.social" contenteditable="false">@nononynous</a> if you get in touch with notmtth tell him to msg mr

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> <a data-mention-type="user" href="matrix.to/#/@nononynous:monero.social" contenteditable="false">@nononynous</a> if you get in touch with notmtth tell him to msg me

more context for the reader, someone has been buying haveno domains. haveno arbitrators earn fees from their service. reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1d029r…bhuman_scum_are_currently_trying_to ive not seen any comments here from majesticbank calling haveno (i assume specifically haveno-reto a scam) but do share if ive missed,

only that they think its not good without mobile when giving feedback on mobazha libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240525 , notmtth will have to raise that publicly, "snitchy" is the employee? 4k ish claimed to be outstanding?

majesticbank donated to haveno's development and is listed as a supporter on the haveno site

"There is one stipulation on ofrn’s ccs is that 1/2 multi sig with plowsof being one. Is that going to ok?" << this is if ccs fails, funds dont get black holed in gf but end up in a 2/3 community multisig

Not sure where you say 1/2 but it should say 2/3. And unless you personally have a problem with it, no, nobody has expressed otherwise

s/say/saw

Didn't majestic also launched a fake atomic swap service? Now he claims basicswap source is not open and that basicswap is a cex? 🐒 whole lot if projecting going on. Yes he donated to haveno. Like 25k when haveno ccs fell apart, iirc. Likely more before that. Should donate to basicswap so he can actually have an atomic backend when we ads a

add api's for swappers

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> lmao what fake swaps

<h​avenomain:matrix.org> Disclaimer is added on top of website(s) haveno.sc and all github repos

<h​avenomain:matrix.org> site is open-source, so feel free to add what you would like github.com/HavenoMain/haveno-site

<h​avenomain:matrix.org> Multiple domains are purchased because as you know, 'they' might want to take down havenomain, this makes whole system more redundant

<h​avenomain:matrix.org> There is new post on website and we seem to have received 5xmr donation

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Nothing more ban proof than a hidden service. Tsk tsk.

matrix dot org account so no one can send you a message OPSEC++

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Domain name is worth nothing stupid larp, haveno uses Tor

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He is haveno

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He is "haveno-main", just look the TLD + ddosguard combo he's too much stupid to make same fingerprints

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Suppose you need ddos protection if you piss people off

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> haveno main is majesticbank?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> He is but he can't tell that or his reputation is dead

<n​ononynous:monero.social> If you want I ddos your ddos protected website (but only on your own consent)

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Check in the XMPP group of mysu if he's still here

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> hes admin in anonero chat

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> are you affiliated with majestic bank?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> It's litteraly MB behind that, there's also same misspelling and lying/aggressive communication

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its the same cringe marketing, MB is a sponsor, snd they make it seem as if they are the Haveno team (besides the disclaimer that no one reads)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> Haveno Main lmfao

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> in case if you missed the thread regarding havenomain: monero.town/post/3260716

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> just in case if you missed the thread regarding havenomain: monero.town/post/3260716

<3​21bob321:monero.social> but..but..it is pgp signed

Its not his fault tbh

The real Haveno chickened out and left the door wide open for anybody to take the profit

This is a good thing. These haveno instances can fund the development of the backend

And the frontend for that matter

They were supposed to fund monero development and make an indefinite stream of $ for the HCT.

🍿🍿

<f​engzie:matrix.org> I've downloaded the PDF and read it. Thank you Rucknium . This is a good reference.